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Parks and Recreation - 12/17/1984 14 1984 DECEMBER 17 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE i AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, DECEMBER 17, 1984 7:30 P.M., SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING BOARD ROOM i COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Pat Breitenstein, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz I I COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III APPROVAL OF MINUTES Of NOVEMBER 16, 1984 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:35 1. Reguest by Rosemount for Intramural Broomball 7:40 2. Request from HCPRD t•o Approve CIP for Bryant Lake Park V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS 7:55 A. Cardinal Creek 8:20 B. Northrup King Proposal (Review of Park Elements) VI . REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF A. Report of Director of Community Services 8:50 Staring Lake Trail (Bridge Construction Update) B. Report of Superintendent of Recreation 8:55 Monthly Community Center Report C. Report of Athletic Coordinator 9:00 Adult Softball 1984 - Season Ending Report i 9:05 D. City Council Meeting Report i VII. OLD BUSINESS 9:10 Appointment of Commission Representative to Ad Hoc Committee ` VIII . NEW BUSINESS 9:15 IX. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, December 17, 1984 7:30 p.m., School Board Room COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Moe Cook, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Pat Breitenstein, Gary Gonyea COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Chuck Pappas, Superintendent of Recreation I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by chairperson, Marty Jessen. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Kingrey moved to approve the agenda as published. Cook seconded the motion and it carried 5-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF_NOVEMBER 19, 1984 MOTION: A motion was made by Cook to approve the minutes as published. Kingrey seconded the motion and it carried 5-0. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Request by Rosemount for Intramural Broomball Refer to memo dated December 12, 1984 from Sandy Werts, Recreation Supervisor. Lambert said that Rosemount has used the hockey rink for the past four or five years from 4:00 to 5:45 p.m. for intramural broomball and he recommended approval. Kingrey asked how the request from Rosemount compares to the tournament request by Wooddale Church. Lambert said that the Wooddale Church request was not approved because they wanted to use weekend hours which are prime time and that their tournament could be considered a fund raiser. i I i f� f t i 1 i i .APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Dec. 17, 1984 i -2- i. Kingrey then asked if these requests are taken on a first come, first served basis. Lambert said that they are. MOTION: A motion was made by Schwartz to approve the request by Rosemount for intramural broomball to be held at the Round Lake Hockey rink. Baker seconded the motion and it carried 5-0. B. Request from HCPRD to Approve CIP for Bryant Lake Park Refer to memo dated December 11, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. I ... Lambert introduced Greg Mack, Southern Division Manager for the Hennepin County Park Reserve District who was at the meeting to present a summary of the proposed Phase I development for Bryant Lake Park. Mack stated that Phase I development will cost approximately $710,000 and includes relocating the entry road to the park, construction of parking lots, relocation and improvement of the boat launch, expansion of the beach area and redevelopment of the lake front and group reservation picnic areas. It also includes $110,000 toward the improvement of Rowland Road. Rowland Road would then be used as an ( access road to the park. These improvements are to be a joint effort between the Park Reserve District and Hennepin County. Mack showed a map of the proposed improvements. Lambert asked how the $710,000 figure was arrived at. Mack said this figure is based on similar projects and is more or less a basic cost. Lambert asked if the road improvements would be done this summer. Mack said no, but perhaps in July of 1986 if the legislature chooses to sell the bonds. Kingrey asked if park use would be affected by the construction of the Crosstown. Mack said it would not be. Mack mentioned other projects the Park Reserve District is working on, of which 22% of the total package is included in the capital improvement program. These include the expansion of the Medicine Lake development which will cost approximately $800,000; the completion of the district shop at French Park and the development of the Elm Creek campgrounds. They are also taking bids on the remodeling of their office. This would be done in order to accommodate all support staff i in one building. I Kingrey asked if the Park Reserve District is working with the City of j Eden Prairie on the Rowland Road improvements. I' f I' i i .APPROVED MINUTES I EDER PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Dec. 17, 1984 -3- Lambert said that a feasibility study should be completed in January and presented to the City Council who would most likely call for a public hearing in February. He added that Rowland Road is in poor condition and there have been complaints from several nearby residents. i Cook said that he feels actual costs would not be known until the feasibility study is completed. Jessen suggested the commission consider recommending support of the capital improvement project for the park and delay a decision on the road alignment until the feasibility report is finished. MOTION: A motion was made by Cook to support the Bryant Lake Park capital improvement program. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried 4-0. Jessen abstained. V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Cardinal Creek Refer to memo dated December 13, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services and staff report dated December 7, 1984. Lambert introduced Fred Hoisington of the Chimo Corporation who was present at the meeting to review the Cardinal Creek Village PUD request. Hoisington showed a site plan which included vegetation, landscape and topography. He said this area is very steep and difficult to develop. The project will include a variety of multi- family housing from duplexes to apartment buildings and townhouses which will be set into the hill to stop excessive noise from the freeway. The developer does not propose any construction in the floodplain area and said that the first phase of development would be completed within the next two years, including recreation facilities. Kingrey asked where the NSP right-of-way line is located. Hoisington showed its location on the site plan. Hoisington agrees that the existing 5' walkway on the south and east side of Cardinal Creek Road should be extended to Baker Road and said he has only one objection to the staff report. That is the construction of an 8' bikeway on the west side of Cardinal Creek Road from Baker Road south. It is felt that a bikeway located here would attract too many people from outside the Cardinal Creek area. r :T� �- APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Dec. 17, 1984 -4- Lambert said the rationale for the bikeway request is the same as it is for bikeways in the rest of the city. He feels the sidewalk j should be extended and the bikeway added because this would provide bikeway and pedestrian trails along Cardinal Creek Road where a majority of the heavy traffic would be. It would also provide a bikeway connection from the walkway to the floodplain north to Baker Road, along the side of the road where a totlot, park shelter and adult recreation area would be located. Cook asked if the units that will be built would be for sale or rental units. Hoisington said the townhouses and duplexes are designed to be sold, but may not be sold immediately. Cook then asked if the park would be maintained by an association. Hoisington said that when the units are sold, they will be maintained by as association. Kingrey expressed concern about the fact that the ridge where these units will be constructed will be highly visible from the freeway and that even though the cut has been reduced to 25' , he feels this is still too much cut. He asked for more information regarding the length of the berm. Hoisington said the hill will be extended to the south and that no berm as such is planned. He added that if the 25' cut is not done, no development can take place. It has been ten years since the last development proposal and if this development is not done, it may be years until the next proposal so there is really no choice. Kingrey said that he feels the highland has as much material value as the creek itself. Regarding the bikeway, Hoisington feels it would just add cost to f the project and it would be used very little. He said the developer would put land aside for a bikeway in the future if necessary. Lambert suggested that a 5' sidewalk be constructed on the north and east side of Cardinal Creek Road at this time and that a 10' base be graded for a bikeway at a later date. This area would then be seeded and mowed. Jessen suggested the existing sidewalk on the west side be widened and Lambert said that this woulla b e posy bile but did not recommend it. He added that a bicycle p should be desianated on the plat. Schwartz questioned going through the steps of planning for a j bikeway if it will not be approved. Jessen asked if there has been any park dedication proposed. Lambert said it is not in the plan. r APPROVED MINUTES I. I C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Dec. 17, 1984 i i -5- Hoisington asked if there was any credit given for dedication of floodplain land. Lambert said no credit has been given in the past. Cook asked at what point the bikeway would be constructed. Jessen said it would be sometime in the future at the City's expense. MOTION: A motion was made by Schwartz to recommend that the floodplain be dedicated with payment of the cash park fee and that grading for the biikeway be done and that the sidewalk be constructed. Cook seconded the motion and it carried 5-0. Kingrey commented that although he was in favor of the proposal, he is still very concerned with the cut being made on the property. B. Northrup King Proposal (Review of Park Elements) Refer to memo dated December 13, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services and letter dated December 6, 1984 from Richard Putnam of Northrup King. Mr. Putnam was present at the meeting to review two park issues that need to be decided before development begins. The first issue is the proposed sports complex located just north of the vo-tech. Staff feels that since the high school was constructed at Round Lake Park and the park has been developed with the high school as a sports complex site, this area should no longer be considered due to land costs. The developer and staff concur that there are other locations more appropriate for a sports complex and other land uses should be considered for this area. MOTION: A motion was made by Kingrey to recommend that the sports complex be removed from the guide plan since more appropriate areas are available for it. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried 5-0. Baker said that since more people live on the east side of Highway r 169, what would the alternatives to a sports complex be. I1 The second issue is the Purgatory Creek corridor that would provide a trail connection between Staring Lake Park and the Purgatory Creek Recreation Area. The creek valley consists of approximately 15 acres. The main question to be resolved is whether or not it is agreed to dedicate the west half of the creek corridor and a scenic easement on the east half. f APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Dec. 17, 1984 -6- In order to preserve the creek valley, provide a public trail and collect a portion of the cash park fees on this site, Lambert suggested that the eastern side, of -the creek valley be dedicated as a scenic easement which would preserve the creek valley, but not allow public intrusion. The west side of the creek valley would be dedicated in lieu of a portion of the park fees for the public trail . i Jessen said he feels the entire 15 acres should be preserved which would include a six acre scenic easement on the east side of the creek and dedication of nine acres in lieu of the park fees. I To determine what portion of cash park fees should be given up in lieu of park dedication, an appraisal will be done to find out the value of the dedicated property. I MOTION: Baker moved to accept the staff recommendation and recommend that the west half of the creek corridor be dedicated and a scenic easement added on the east half. Kingrey seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS BOARDS AND STAFF A. Report of Director of Community Services 1. Staring Lake Trail (Bridge Construction Update) Refer to memo dated December 10, 1984 from Carol Foy, Park Planner. This is an information item only. Lambert reported that the final cost of bridge installation will be approximately $16,000 which is less than anticipated. This includes materials for footings which are to be installed by the City. Kingrey requested that the City costs be outlined when they are doing a portion of the work. Lambert said the cost was less than $1,400 compared to $4,800 for footings when the costs are broken down. The -total bridge cost was estimated to be $29,887, but are now down to $16,000. I B. Report of Superintendent of Recreation 1. Monthly Community Center Report This is an information item only. i r APPROVED MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Dec. 17, 1984 -7- C. Report of Athletic Coordinator 1. Adult Softball 1984 - ,Season Ending Report This is an information item only. There was some discussion on the suggestions made for 1985, mainly to arrange leagues by ability which was felt to be a sticky issue and the difficulty in getting good umpires for the coming season. D. City Council Meeting Report Lambert reported that at the November 20 meeting, the Council approved negotiating with Teman on property and making an offer on the Riley Lake purchase. F VII. OLD BUSINESS A. Appointment of Commission Representative to Ad Hoc Committee ( Refer to letter dated December 14, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director. of Community Services to Marty Jessen, Chairman of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission. Lambert said that the Council will be meeting the first week of February to officially appoint representatives for this committee which will consider the need for a referendum to expand indoor and outdoor recreational facilities. He feels they will want to meet every couple of weeks for three or four months. Jessen asked for volunteers to serve on this committee. Moe Cook volunteered to serve and he was appointed by Jessen. Jessen felt that the time schedule for these meetings should be examined and an alternate for Cook be appointed if necessary. VIII. NEW BUSINESS None IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Kingrey made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 9:35 p.m. Schwartz seconded and it passed 5-0. C Respectfully submitted, &-LIC.C,�.f U Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary