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Parks and Recreation - 08/20/1984 1984 AUGUST 6 , 20 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE NO QUORUM - AUGUST 6 Same Agenda AGENDA ti EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION .46NDAY, JULY 16, 1984 7:30 P.M. , SCHOOL ADMINSTRATION BUILDING r:Zuc�• ly , BOARD ROOM COMMISSION 0 MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Pat Breitenstein, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL j II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JULY 2, 1984 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:35 A. John Bultman Re: Player Ejection V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS ( 7:50 A. Bluffs West 3rd Addition 8:00 B. Bluffs West 4th Addition 8:10 C. Bluffs West 5th Addition 8:20 D. Muirfield Residential PUD VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS, AND STAFF A. Reports of Director of Community Services 8:45 1. Woodpile Ordinance 9:00 2. Homeward Hills Park Grading Contract B. Reports of Community Center Manager 9:05 1. Monthy Community Center Report 9:10 2. City Council Meeting Report of July 10, 1984 VII. OLD BUSINESS 15 A. Needs Assessment Survey VIII. NEW BUSINESS 9:35 IX. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION 7:30 p.m., School Board Room Monday, August 6, 1984 COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT-- Pat Breitenstein, acting chairperson; Raiford Baker, Moe Cook, Jerry Kingrey COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Marty Jessen, Gary Gonyea, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Chuck Pappas, Community Center Manager I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m. by Pat Breitenstein for chairperson, Marty Jessen. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Kingrey added A., Kingston Drive under VIII. , NEw Business. Motion: Baker moved to approve the agenda as amended. Cook seconded the motion and it carried. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ON JULY 2, 1984 Motion: Cook moved to approve the minutes as published. Kingrey seconded the motion and it carried. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. John Bultman Re: Player Rejection Lambert reported that this item was reviewed at the July 16 meeting since a quorum was not required. He gave a brief explanation of the outcome. V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Bluffs West 3rd Addition Refer to staff report dated July 7, 1984 and memo dated July 12, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -2- Lambert reported that this area is located along Purgatory Creek and that the developer is proposing to dedicate a 4.3 acre outlot between the development and the creek. This would connect with City owned property to the northeast and northwest. Motion: Baker made a motion to recommend approval of the Bluffs West 3rd Addition as per staff report. Cook seconded the motion and it carried. B. Bluffs West 4th Addition Refer to staff report dated July 6, 1984 and memo dated July 12, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that this is a thin piece of property along Homeward Hills Road. He recommends approval as per the lot configuration submitted by the developer and approved by the Planning Commission. Motion: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of the Bluffs West 4th Addition per the developer's lot configuration and the Planning Commission's approval. Baker seconded the motion and it carried. C. Bluffs West 5th Addition Refer to staff report dated July 6, 1984 and memo dated July 12, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that this site is located south of Riverview Road. The City trails plan shows an 8' asphalt bikeway running along the south side of Riverview Road from County Road 18 west to the deadend of Riverview Road continuing west on Riverview Road to Highway 169. The bikeway would tie into the City trails via the bikeway on Homeward Hills Road and north to County Road 4 under Highway 169. These trails would also connect the Eden Prairie trail system to the Minnesota Wildlife Refuge. Lambert recommends that the developer be required to construct a section of 8' asphalt bikeway along the south side of Riverview Road the entire length of the development. Baker suggested that instead of building the bikeway now and having it deteriorate until it is used, a cash reserve be kept to complete this bikeway in the future as the need arises. - r : APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -3- Kingrey agreed with Baker's suggestion to keep the money in an escrow account to complete the bikeway in the future. Lambert said that the homeowners in the area will expect a bikeway now since there are no sidewalks here. Kingrey suggested that the City only grade a trail now and that the escrow account be kept to blacktop the trail when it will be used since compaction of the asphalt does not occur when it is not used and the trail will deteriorate. Motion: Baker made a motion to recommend that the developer construct the bikeway and that the City extend it 1-1/2 blocks westward and pay for it out of road funds. Cook seconded the motion and it carried. Kingrey opposed. D. Muirfield Residential PUD Refer to staff report dated July 7, 1984 and memo dated July 12, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that this proposal was reviewed by the Planning Commission. The Planning Commission asked the developer to reduce the number of lots on this site and they are requiring sidewalks on all thru loop streets. The proposed totlot was approved. The developer requested that cash park fees be reduced to a townhouse or multi-level rate rather than a single family rate. Lambert feels this reduction of cash park fees should be denied. Lambert added that he has not seen the developer's new plan showing the reduction in the number of lots. It was the consensus of the Commission to table a recommendation on this project until the next meeting or until the developer presents a new site plan. VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF A. Reports of Director of Community Services 1. Woodpile Ordinance Refer to memos dated July 11, 1984 and August 6, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services and petition signed by residents in the Summit Drive area. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -4- Lambert reviewed the request for a woodpile ordinance from residents in the Summit Drive area. Lambert said that a survey done in 1981 showed all cities contacted did not have a woodpile ordinance. In 1984 Bloomington, Edina, Maple Grove, Plymouth, St. Louis Park and Woodbury were contacted. Only Bloomington has a woodpile ordinance. In order for the City to pass an ordinance requiring regulations, the issue should be related to public health and ` safety or through a zoning regulation similar to the one adopted by the City of Bloomington. The zoning approach would specify yard setbacks and/or prohibitions for storage, conditions under which wood can be stored in the open or under an enclosure, whether the woodpile may be stored flush with the ground or raised off the ground, etc. Zoning could also specify standards for aesthetic objectives, as well as public health and safety. Regulations regarding public health and safety are an alternative to zoning. If improperly stacked, a woodpile can be a fire or safety hazard. It can also be the cause of disease or a home for rodents. If these conditions are present, the City could direct that the problem be corrected or the wood removed at the expense of the owner. The City usually receives three or four complaints a year about woodpiles. The complaints usually state that a woodpile is an eyesore, not a health or safety hazard. Lambert recommended that no additional ordinance be passed regulating woodpiles. Kingrey asked to hear about specific cases that residents are complaining about. A group of residents from the Summit Drive area were present at the meeting. Marsha Ernst from Summit Drive presented pictures that she took recently of the woodpile in the Crestwood Terrace neighbor- hood that residents are complaining about. V _ APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -5- Kingrey asked what the residents objection is to the woodpile. Bill Abraham living on Summit Drive replied that it is unsightly and unsafe. He added that the City has previously been contacted about it. Abraham also showed pictures of the woodpile adding that the woodpile has been restacked neatly since last year. He handed ' out copies of a map showing the location of the woodpile on ` the corner of Summit Drive and Eden Prairie Road. Abraham said this is the only entrance to 40-50 homes in this area and that children wait for the school bus on this corner. He feels it is a temptation for children to play on the woodpile which cannot be seen from the home. There are also woodchucks living in the woodpile. Abraham said that when he discussed the location of the woodpile with the owner, he said he didn't want to move the woodpile because he is still filling the lot and that it is more convenient for him where it is and safer from theft. Kingrey asked how far the woodpile is from Summit Drive. Abraham said it is approximately 20 feet. Bill Krisko, another resident, said he feels that the woodpile is dangerous for the children because of its location and that it should be moved. Abraham said that an ordinance would not be needed, but just a rule or regulation to follow. He asked how much it would cost the city to do this. Ernst replied that the tree inspectors could check the woodpiles when inspecting trees and it wouldn't cost the City any extra money. j Lambert said that the City cannot require people to do things unless an ordinance is passed. If an ordinance would be passed, everybody would be affected, even those that are not a problem. t Joyce Krisko commented that since the inspectors already check woodpiles for disease, they could check all woodpiles. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -6- Jerry LaBarre, another resident, said that he has not seen children playing on the woodpile and that it is the parent's responsibility to tell their children to stay off private property. LaBarre is opposed to an ordinance since it would mean higher taxes. He added that if the people don't like the City of Eden Prairie that they can move. h Joyce Krisko commented that because of the appearance of the neighborhood, they have been unable to sell their home. Jack VanRemortel, the owner of the woodpile being discussed, said that he is trying to fill in a ravine on his property and that the woodpile is as far back from the lot as it can go since the grading plan is not complete. He added that he has ! 250 seedlings that he will use for landscaping. Kingrey asked if you can drive up to the woodpile. VanRemortel said no. Kingrey asked if the woodpile could be moved further south and to the lot line. VanRemortel said that the woodpile is already on the lot line. VanRemortel said the woodpile is located 38' from the road. E . He added that all wood will go under a roof in winter so he can burn dry wood. The woodpile will be moved back 8 to 10' when a new pile is started. He has not seen the pictures that were taken, but said that last year someone hit the woodpile with a pickup and knocked it down when they were trying to steal some of the wood. VanRemortel added that Carl Jullie s came to see him about the woodpile at that time. Kingrey said that the City does have an ordinance if woodpiles are causing a public nuisance or a health hazard. He asked why this woodpile can't be moved further back than 8-10' . Ernst read a statement from the neighborhood restrictive covenant regarding woodpiles. r- Abraham asked VanRemortel why the woodpile cannot be moved. VanRemortel said the reason is that the grading is not complete. Krisko asked VanRemortel why the woodpile can't be moved to the backyard since there is some wood there already. VanRemortel answered that he has no wood in the backyard. C. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -7- Claude Johnson, another resident, said that what is needed to solve this problem is a public hearing. He feels that the woodpile is not distracting to the neighborhood. Regarding personal safety, Johnson said the woodpile did fall over last year. Since then, the pile has been lowered and a snow fence put up around it. Johnson said both he and Van- Remortel have small children that they are concerned about, but he teaches his children to be responsible for other people's property. He feels moving the pile would not make a difference. Johnson said this problem has not been discussed at association meetings and he believes it is a personal conflict between neighbors. Johnson said the main reason he cuts wood is for energy conservation and also as a hobby. Bill Krisko stated that it isn't very safe to leave the woodpile down for several months after it was tipped. Lambert said that since this is not a public health problem, this Commission does not have the authority to tell someone to move their woodpile. Baker commented that he feels the emotion on this issue should be vented at the homeowner's association meeting. Breitenstein agreed that there is and should be concern over woodpiles, but if an ordinance is passed, everybody will have to move their woodpiles. Motion: Kingrey made a motion to recommend approval of a request that next year's woodpile be moved back as far as possible and that the City continue paying attention to woodpiles as in the past and that no new ordinance be enacted. Cook seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. Ernst asked how many complaints need to be made in order for an ordinance to be passed. Breitenstein commented that the group attending this meeting has done some good by bringing the woodpile problem to the City's attention. She said any complaints should be directed to Bob Lambert's office. ;i APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -8- 2. Homeward Hills Park Grading Contract Refer to resolution dated July 10, 1984 and memo dated June 28, 1984 from Rodney Rue, Design Engineer. This is an information item only. Lambert reviewed the bids that were received for the grading of Homeward Hills Park. The estimate for the grading was between $150,000 to $200,000. Of the ten bids received, the amounts ranged from $184,000 to $117,000. B. Reports of Community Center Manager 1. Monthly Community Center Report This is an information item only. Lambert added that the construction on the North .Stars addition is nearly finished. ( 2. City Council Meeting Report of July 10, 1984 No information was available for this meeting. VII. OLD BUSINESS A. Needs Assessment Survey Refer to memo dated July 12, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services and memo dated June 22, 1984 from Jeanne Zetah, Coordinator. Lambert reviewed the progress to date on the survey. Gonyea, Jessen and Lambert met after the July 2 Commission meeting to j review the survey. They will meet with the Community Education l Advisory Committee on August 9. Lambert feels it would be worth $5,300 to hire a consultant to review the survey. The draft survey with final costs would be brought back to the Commission for review before making a recommendation to the City Council. VIII. NEW BUSINESS A. Kingston Drive Kingrey reviewed a request to remove two stop signs between Edenvale and Holly Road on Kingston Drive. These are mid-block stop signs which were put in during the 1970's. i APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -9- Kingrey reported that there are poor site lines on this street and no sidewalks on either side leading to the school or park. He added that a study has been conducted and there is no place for a sidewalk on either side. Lambert suggested that another study be done to examine the possibility of adding a sidewalk. Motion: Kingrey made a motion to recommend that the stop signs not be removed and that a study be made to check the feasibility of a sidewalk for access from Holly Road to Edenvale school and park along Kingston Drive and a report brought back to the Commission. Cook seconded the motion and it carried. IX. ADJOURNMENT Motion: A motion was made by Cook to adjourn the meeting at 9:15 p.m. It was seconded by Baker and passed unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, August 20, I9B4 7:30 p.m., Admin. Bldg. Rm. 5 COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Raiford Baker, Pat Breitenstein COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Chuck Pappas, Community Center Director I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m. by chairperson, Marty Jessen. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Kingrey added A. , Letter from Baseball Association under VIII., New Business. Lambert added B. , Use of Beaches After Hours under VIII. , New Business. MOTION: Kingrey moved to approve the agenda as amended. Gonyea seconded the motion and it carried. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JULY 16, 1984 AND AUGUST 6, 1984 Y MOTION: A motion was made by Schwartz to approve the minutes of July 16, 1984. Gonyea seconded the motion. Cook and Kingrey abstained. Cook asked that the wording on Page 4, Paragraph 5 of the August 6 minutes be changed from "several" to "three or four" and that the wording on Page 6, Paragraph 5 be changed to read, "hit the woodpile with a pickup and knocked it down while trying to steal the wood." MOTION: Kingrey moved to approve the August 6 minutes as amended. Cook seconded the motion. Jessen, Gonyea and Schwartz abstained. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -2- IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Shady Oak Ridge Refer to staff reports dated June 8, 1984 and July 20, 1984 and memo dated August 16, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that there are two issues that are related to this Commission. They are the grading plan for this development and access to the neighborhood park. Lambert said that until the property north of this area is developed, it will be about a one-half mile walk to the park along Rowland Road and through the Carmel Subdivision. When the property is developed, the park will be within one-fourth C mile of the subdivision. The number of townhouses to be constructed has been reduced from 48 to 36 which substantially reduces the amount of grading necessary. A tree inventory has been taken and Lambert feels the developer is doing as good a job as can be done. Jessen asked if after development, pedestrian access will be from the north along Shady Oak Road. Lambert said access will be to the north and west. �( MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of Shady Oak Ridge ` per staff report. Gonyea seconded the motion and it carried. B. Valley Lake Business Center Refer to staff report dated August 10, 1984 and memo dated August 16, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reviewed this proposal as a 10 acre development with six acres under water being dedicated to the City. He said there are two issues related to this Commission. They are the Shoreland Management Ordinance and the trail system along r Valley View Road and Smetana Lake. The Shoreland Management Ordinance requires a 200' building setback and 50' parking lot setback with a maximum impervious surface restriction of 30' . The proponent is requesting a 100' setback for the building and the barking lot. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -3- Staff developed a trail system when reviewing the Hoyt and Vantage developments. It requires that a 20' wide trail easement between their building and the lake alona the 842 contour be required and that a 10' wide pad be graded for a future bike trail along Valley View Road. The developer has agreed to these contingencies and staff foresees no problems. Kingrey asked if the developer would put a base down for the trail. Lambert said that they will not since this would be a dead end +' ' trail for several years. Cook asked about a catch basin or detention pond. Lambert said that a 30% impervious surface maximum coverage is the limit for those developments not requiring detention ponds or other means of controlling storm water runoff. Lambert added that the developer would also pay the cash park fee. Kingrey requested a discussion on Smetana Lake. Lambert reported that the most use would be by those from the office park. Several houses located here would be removed in the future and Lambert feels the City should buy a few acres of land since the raising of the lake makes it viable for canoeing, small boating and fishing. Jessen asked if the developer is dedicating the 20' strip only or up to the pond. Lambert said it would be a public easement only. f Jessen asked if a scenic easement would be possible on the side of the slope up to the trail to assure that the lakeshore would remain in its natural state. Lambert indicated it could be required. MOTION: A motion was made by Cook to recommend that a scenic ' easement be required so the area from the Lakeshore to the trail remains in its natural state. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried. C. Bluffs East 3rd Refer to staff report dated August 10, 1984 and memo dated August 16, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that this is an 11.5 acre subdivision located west of Franlo Park Road. The area is being developed basically one street at a time. Other issues have previously been addressed Cwhen PUD approval was requested. i APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -4- The main concern is the storm sewer runoff from Franlo Park Road. Drain off problems are being experienced and a storm water assessment may be done since an adequate storm water drainage plan must be in effect before the park is developed next spring. Jessen asked that a recommendation be made to resolve the storm water drainage system and to devise an overall drainage plan. MOTION: Gonyea made a motion to recommend approval of the Bluffs East 3rd Addition per staff report but with the addition of a proper drainage plan design for the entire Bluffs East 3rd Addition. Kingrey seconded the motion and it carried. D. City West Retail Center ' Refer to staff report dated June 8, 1984 and memo dated August 16, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that the only significant development on this proposal is the connecting walkway system along the ponding areas which staff feels are necessary to provide for pedestrian access to the offices in this area. 4 MOTION: A motion was made by Kingrey to recommend approval of the City West Retail Center per staff report. Cook seconded the motion and it carried. E. Muirfield Residential PUD (continued from August 6) t Lambert reported that this proposal is being continued from the last meeting because the developer had not submitted the latest site plan. The new site plan shows that the developer has added sidewalks connecting neighborhoods to parks on Boyd Avenue and Loralee Lane. The developer is dedicating Outlot A to the City and building a totlot here. They are also paying the cash park fee. Jessen asked if the trail system will extend to Prairie View. Lambert said that the connection could be made. MOTION: A motion was made by Kingrey to recommend approval of the Muirfield Residential PUD per staff report. Gonyea seconed the P motion and it carried. r APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -5- VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF A. Report of Community Center Manager 1. Monthly Community Center Report 1 This is an information item only. 1 Jessen asked Pappas if the lap swimmers are satisfied with the 5:30 a.m. starting time. Pappas said they are. Kingrey asked about the progress on the North Stars addition. Pappas said the addition was completed last Thursday. Jessen asked about the repair of leaks and other damage at the Community Center. Pappas said that the skylights have been cleaned and other cosmetic repairs will be done as soon as possible. Other major problems will also be taken care of in the near future. Cook asked if parking room is sufficient. Pappas said that there is enough parking except during special events. Cook then asked if the Community Center parking lot could be used for over- flow parking fo, the football stadium. Lambert replied that it could be. Cook also asked about the finances at the Community Center. Pappas said that they always do well in June and July and noted the 75% ice arena usage. B. Community Education Advisory Council Monthly Report No information was available for this meeting. C. City Council Meeting Report - August 7 Bob Lambert reported that the Council discussed the Prairie Knoll recommendation and the land trade on Valley View Road. The Council approved the Developer,'s trade of 2.5 acres for 8/10 acre of parkland. The developer will not actually be losing any lots this way. The Council also approved the recommendation to leave the stop signs on Kingston Drive where they are, but suggested a survey be done to assess the feasibility of sidewalks. ., II 1 ''APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -6- VII. OLD BUSINESS A. Needs Assessment Survey Refer to memo dated August 16, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that a joint meeting of the Needs Assessment Committees from the school and City met on August 9, 1984. Martha Stanley of St. Thomas College and Scott Middleton of IMI Research attended the meeting and gave their recommendations on the survey. The committee agreed on a telephone survey of 300 people. Three quotes will be obtained and a recommendation will be made to the Council and School Board. Cook asked how the number of 300 was decided upon. Since there are 22,500 living in Eden Prairie, 300 will give a 5% margin of error on the data. `— Gonyea asked if the questions the committee compiled will be used in the survey. Lambert said that both the City committee and the f school committee had their own set of questions and that the professional would compile a revised set of questions which would be approved before the survey is finalized. B. Master Plan for Purgatory Creek Recreation Area Refer to memo dated August 17, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that Wirth Associates, Inc. and Saunders-Thalden and Associates have submitted their final plan. The plan is based on an assumption of water levels for 10 and 30 year storms. He suggests that a joint study be done by the City and the Watershed District to indicate if the development ponds in the Purgatory Creek Floodplain would improve the quality of Staring Lake. If so, there is a good chance that state, federal and Watershed District funding could be obtained to develop this area since they would, in effect, be improving two major recreation facilities. i Jessen asked Lambert if he had an estimate on how much a study of i this type would cost. Lambert said he hasn't talked to the Watershed District yet. I .:,APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -7- Kingrey asked if there is money to do a study. Lambert said the study may have to be spread out over one or two years. Jessen asked about the EPA clean water plan. Lambert said Bryant and Riley are eligible this year, but funding has been limited to "projects in progress". Cook feels that the study would pull landowners together. Lambert agreed and said he feels there are lots of good reasons to do this study. MOTION: A motion was made by Cook to approach the Watershed District to find out what the cost of a study would be to determine the flood level of Purgatory Creek and to determine the reason for ° deterioration of water quality in Staring Lake. Gonyea seconded the motion and it carried. Lambert reported on the various developments in progress. The Bluffs totlots are being constructed, Homeward Hills Park soccer field has been final graded and the parking lot is covered with gravel base. 4' of lift per week was to be put on the surcharge area. It was to be watched closely and all machinery kept off for three weeks. It was at a 12' level within eight working days and two days later another 4' lift was added. Scrapers were on it and caused cracking to occur. The surcharge area failed and will have to be reconstructed. VIII. NEW BUSINESS A. Letter from Baseball Association This is an information item only. Kingrey read sections of the letter which was given to the mayor by the Baseball Association. A copy will be distributed to Commission members for the next meeting. They have nine items of concern at Flying Cloud Field and Eden Prairie Community Center Field which they say the City has done nothing about. B. Use of Beaches After Hours Lambert reported that he has been advised of people using City beaches after sundown when guards are off duty. Chuck Pappas did a survey of surrounding cities and reported that most of them say that C if the park is open, the beach is open, some post guard hours and some clear the beaches when guards go off duty. Burnsville is the only city that posts a sign saying that people may swim at their own risk. +APPROVED MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION August 6, 1984 -8- Lambert cited one case in Eden Prairie where two men were swimming after hours and it took three hours and eight verbal warnings to get them out of the water. This case turned out to be alcohol related. Lambert feels the rules should be consistent on all beaches. Kingrey said he questioned how much legal liability the City would have even if a sign were put up, but couldn't be seen in the dark. Cook feels that putting up a sign saying you may swim at your own risk would be inviting people to do so. A recommendation will be taken to the City Attorney to erect a sign stating guard hours or the park opening and closing times. Lambert added that if a sign is put up saying that no swimming is allowed after hours, an ordinance would have to be in effect. IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: A motion was made by Cook to adjourn the meeting at 9:15 p.m. Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed. Respectfully submitted, Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary C