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Parks and Recreation - 07/16/1984 1984 JULY 2 , 16 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION C � MONDAY, JULY 2, 1984 7:30 P.M. , SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING BOARD ROOM COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Pat Breitenstein, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse: Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I . ROLL CALL II . APPROVAL OF AGENDA 7:35 III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JUNE 19, 1984 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. Development Proposals C.- 7:40 A. Prairie Knoll 8:00 B. Lion's Tap 8:10 C. Turnbull 8:20 D. Scenic Heights 8:30 E. Kurver, Addition VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF A. Report of Community Center Manager 8:35 1. Resident & Non Resident Information on Memberships, & Dail Use Fees at Community Center 8:40 B. Community Education Advisory Council Monthly Report 8:45 C. City Council Meeting Report VII. OLD BUSINESS 8:50 A. Tax Forfeited Land 8:55 B. Needs Assessment VIII. NEW BUSINESS 9:00 A. Letter From Fred Richards Regarding Lake Riley Improvement Project 9:15 IX. ADJOURNMENT `� rr APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, July 2, 1984 7:30 p.m., School Board Room COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, chair erson (late); Raiford Baker (late, Pat Breitenstein, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Jerry Kingrey COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m. by Pat Breitenstein for chairperson, Marty Jessen. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Lambert added Lake Riley Parking under VIII, New Business. MOTION: Gonyea moved to approve the agenda as amended. Cook seconded the motion and it carried. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 18, 1984 Gonyea asked what was meant by his question at the top of page 3 of the minutes. Lambert gave a brief explanation. MOTION: Cook moved to approve the minutes as published. Gonyea seconded the motion and it carried. Schwartz abstained. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Prairie Knoll Refer to staff report dated May 4, 1984 and memo dated June 29, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert said that there are three items for the Commission to discuss before making a recommendation. These are the sale of parkland and public access to the City park, the sidewalk system and the private totlot. Lambert reviewed the developer's proposal. The proponent wants to acquire 2.44 acres of City owned land located north of Valley View t Road. The land is bordered by a flood plain developed by Purgatory Creek. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 2, 1984 -2- Lambert said that the City originally purchased this land from the United Methodist Church in the 1970's. Since there are no deed restrictions, the City does have an option to sell the land. Lambert feels that the proponent's proposal to trade property would not be a fair deal for the City, as the land is not of equal value. Lambert suggested that if the City chooses to sell this property, the City should have the property appraised and sell it to the developer for a fair market value. The City could then use the funds to buy parkland which may be of more value to the City. Lambert added that the City should have good public access to this � . portion of parkland. He recommends access to this area by a 5' concrete sidewalk on the north side of Trillium Drive from Valley View Road north to Ontario Blvd. and on the west side of Ontario Blvd. back to Valley View Road. There should also be a sidewalk on the north side of Franklin Court from Ontario Blvd. to the sidewalk through Outlot D. He also recommends that the trail easement between Outlots B and D be increased from 15' to 301 . Lambert has some concern with the size and configuration of a totlot proposed for Outlot A. He feels the structure would be located too close to lots that will be built on in the future. Brian Nowak was present for the proponent. Mr. Nowak showed a site plan for the project. The developer proposes 60 single family units. The lots are not large and units average 9500 square feet. Nowak explained that there is not a secondary road located here because of a 25' to 35' drop. However, this may change with the upgrading of Valley View Road. The developer proposes using plantings and signage at the entrance to the trails. Instead of a 5' sidewalk, the developer would rather use a 3' sidewalk. Nowak explained that the proposed totlot was intended for small children only. The structure would include swings, a slide and sandbox, but no picnic are. He said only one house would be affected by the totlot location. Nowak said that one alternative would be to move to totlot to Outlot G. However, there would be no way to monitor its use in this location and it would be located quite a distance away from the homes. Lambert said he is not aware of any 3' sidewalks in the City, only C5' and 8' . APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 2, 1984 -3- Baker commented that he feels the original northeast trail would not be used. i Lambert stated there should be park access right off the main trail . The general public would not be comfortable entering the park between homes on a 15' easement. Cook asked if there was access from the north or northwest. Lambert said that it is accessible from Edenwood Drive which is a cul-de-sac. The City owns land up to this point and the majority of those using the park would be residents of this area. Jessen asked if there is a public open space easement:-on the outlots. Lambert said that Outlots B and G would be maintained by the homeowners association and residents living here would pay for the upgrading. i Schwartz asked if there would be a trail only running from one end # to another. Lambert said that this is basically marsh and there would be no picnic areas for now. Schwartz also expressed concern about those using the trails parking in front of neighboring homes. Lambert stated that if the park had more than just trails in that location he would agree. , Jessen asked how much the 2.44 acres of land is worth. Lambert estimated the worth from $15,000 to $20,000 per acre. MOTION: Breintenstein moved to recommend approval to sell the 2.44 acres to the developer at a fair market value following an appraisal , that all of the outlots have open space easements over them, that the existing temporary trail easement be dedicated as a permanent easement, that the developer agree to assessment for 5' concrete sidewalk along the entire length of their property on the north side of Valley View Road, that the developer dedicate Outlot D to the City and widen that outlot to 30 feet, that the new alignment of Outlot D be between lots 4 and 5 of block 4, that the developer construct a 5' concrete sidewalk from the sidewalk along Ontario Blvd. through Outlot D to the back of lot 9 b.lock .s, as well as along the streets suggested in the Planning Report, and that the developer pay the cash park fee. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. B. Lion' s Tap Refer to memo dated June 29, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services, staff report dated May 4, 1984 and memo dated June 7, 1984 from Chris Enger, Director of Planning. Lambert said that the reason this project is being reviewed again is that there have been some changes in the proponent's request. The proponent is requesting a comprehensive guide plan change and preliminary platting for three lots on 24.2 acres. One lot is 1.6 acres of commercial for the Lion's Tap building. The proponent is also requesting two residential lots, one 9.6 acres and one 13 acres. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 2, 1984 -4- The Planning Staff recommends approval subject to Lot 2 being increased from 9.6 to 10 acres to meet the minimum lot size in a rural zone. Lambert added that this project would solve the parking lot problems at the Lion's Tap. MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend approval of the Lion's Tap project per the Planning Staff recommendations. Cook seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. C. Turnbull Refer to staff report dated June 22, 1984 and memo dated June 28, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that the reason this proposal is being reviewed is because of the location of the project. Lambert stated that the City is concerned with approving lots less than 10 acres in rural areas and especially on the river bluffs. Lambert recommends approval of two lots, 5.2 and 10 acres, which is the lower two-thirds of this area, subject to the providing of a scenic easement and safe access to lots and homes in the area. MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend approval of Turnbull's request per Planning Commission recommendations. Jessen seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. Baker asked about the Indian mounds located along the bluffs. Lambert said an archeological study has been done by the Minnesota Historical Society and these mounds are not to be disturbed. D. Scenic Heights Refer to staff report dated June 22, 1984. Lambert reported that this project consists of one street and a cul-de-sac with 20 proposed lots. He recommends approval of the project per staff report and subject to payment of the cash park fee. MOTION: Schwartz moved to recommend approval of the Scenic Heights development per staff report. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried. - •i APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 2, 1984 -5- E. Kurver Addition Refer to staff report dated June 8, 1984. Lambert reported that this is a five lot subdivision located along Hwy. 101. A significant amount of trees will be lost with the j development of this area, but Lambert said nothing can be done to I prevent this loss. He recommends approval of the project per staff report. MOTION: Gonyea moved to recommend approval of the Kurver addition per staff report. Baker seconded the motion and it carried. VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARD AND STAFF A. Report of Community Center Director 1. Resident and Non-Resident Information on Memberships and Daily Use Fees at Community Center This is an information item only. The report shows membership fees and different combinations available to both residents and non-residents. i Cook asked how much profit the Community Center is making. Lambert said it is about the same as last year. Lambert added that he is receiving calls requesting lap swimming begin earlier in the morning due to overcrowding. The times were 6:00-9:00 a.m., but were moved up to 5:30-9:00 a.m. Lambert has had several requests to change the time from 5:00-9:00 a.m. He said staff is considering this request and monitoring the problem. B. Community Education Advisory Council Monthly Report This information was not received in time to include in the packet. C. City Council Meeting Report Lambert reported that at the June 19, 1984 meeting, the Council approved the awarding of the bid for a playstructure at Staring Lake Park 'to Hilan. They also reconfirmed that Gary Jeub not be reimbursed for removal of a trail on his property. The Council also approved the teen employment program and stated that since there is no more bike trail grant money this year, the trail planned for County Road 1 to Dell Road will be delayed. .APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 2, 1984 -6- VII. OLD BUSINESS A. Tax Forfeited Land Refer to document dated June 26, 1984 from the Hennepin County Department of Property Taxation. Lambert reported that shortly after the City completed the application, a notice was received that the 25 acres of land located west of the City Hall had been repurchased by the former owners. B. Needs Assessment Refer to memo dated June 29, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert said this item is being discussed in order to confirm the committee members and set a meeting date to discuss the needs assessment survey. The purpose of the committee will be to draft a document with members of the staff and a consultant. Jessen volunteered to serve on the committee along with Gonyea and Baker with Baker serving as chairman. Perry Forster may also join the committee. Lambert suggested that the committee meet with representatives from the Athletic Associations to discuss the information they would like to obtain from the survey. Four people from the Community Education Advisory Council have formed a committee. A tentative meeting date of July 17, 1984 has been set. Lambert and other committee members from this commission will decide upon a meeting time following this meeting. VIII. NEW BUSINESS A. Letter from Fred Richards Regarding Lake Riley Improvement Project Refer to memo dated June 29, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services, letter dated June 21, 1984 from Frederick Richards, Attorney for Riley-Purgatory Creek Watershed District and memo dated May 15, 1984. Lambert reported that the PCA initiated this inquiry and informed the Watershed District that there was money available for water improvement both for Lake Riley and Bryant Lake. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 2, 1984 ., -7- Lambert said that biomanipulation of the lake is considered for the purpose of clearing up algae and reducing weeds resulting from rough fish, mainly carp. The cost of a preliminary study on what has to be done to apply for grant money would be about $15,000. Lambert said that the biomanipulation process has worked well on both Round Lake and Hyland Lake and he feels that it would be worth the investment to do a study providing that the $15,000 cost would be shared equally by Chanhasssen, the Watershed District and Eden Prairie. Jessen said he also feels that the study would be a worthwhile investment. MOTION: Baker made a motion that the City pay up to $5,000, if Chanhassen and the Watershed District each agree to pay $5,000, for a study of Lake Riley. The study should also determine an equitable financing plan for improving Lake Riley and the chain of lakes in Chanhassen. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. B. Lake Riley Parking �.. Lambert reported that there are problems with people parking empty trailers in the parking lot and leaving their boats on the beach. Then they take their cars and come back later in the day, thus filling up the parking lot and keeping other people away because the lot is full. Jessen suggested putting up a sign saying that cars with trailers only are allowed beyond a certain point and giving a warning on the first offense and a ticket thereafter. Lambert said he would check into this possibility. Breitenstein suggested trying a sign first and maybe that would be all that is needed. IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: A motion was made by Breitenstein to adjourn the meeting at p.m. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried. Respectfully submitted, 1 Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary 1 �i --------..__. UNAPPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, July 16, 1984 7:30 p.m. School Board Room COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Gary Gonyea, 1 , Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Raiford Baker, Pat Breitenstein, Moe Cook, Jerry Kingrey COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Stu Alexander, Athletic Coordinator The regular Commission meeting was not held since there was not a quorum present. However, Item IV of the agenda, Petitions, Requests and Communications, John Bultman Bultman Re: Player Rejection was brought up for discussion since Mr. Bultman and members of the softball team were present and the last game of the season will be on Wednesday night of this week. Refer to memo dated July 12, 1984 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services; memos dated January 25, 1984 and June 29, 1984 from Stu Alexander, Athletic Coordinator; and letter dated January 25, 1984 from Deni Billmyer. Alexander reviewed the circumstances surrounding the suspension of Mike Hanson for excessive profanity and grabbing an official at a broomball game in January of 1984. The team manager, John Bultman, gave Hanson' s name as Scott Blunt when questioned about the incident. In June, Alexander was informed that Hanson was playing on Bultman' s softball team and since that time, Bultman and the team ave also been suspended. Bultman was present at this meeting. Hanson was not. Bultman stated that he thought Hanson was reinstated and therefore let him play on the softball team for P.C.I. He also said that after receiving a bad check from their sponsor, Hanson personally wrote a check and gave it to Alexander. Bultman noted that Hanson' s name was not included on the list of those on probation. He added that there is also nothing in the rules saying that a team manager can be suspended. Jessen said that since he is the manager of several softball teams, he is familiar with the rules and asked Bultman the reasons why he thought Hanson had been reinstated. Bultman replied that since Hanson's name was not listed as being suspended and because Hanson told him that he had been reinstated. Alexander referred to rules in the green rule book and regarding Hanson' s name not being on the suspension list, this was probably an oversight. UNAPPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATIONy AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 16, 1984 0 -2- Gonyea asked if the rules apply to all sports. Schwartz referred to the memo dated June 29, 1984 saying that Hanson is suspended for one full year in all sports. He feels there was a communication problem between Bultman and Hanson. i Alexander said that when Scott Blunt was questioned about the incident, he came forward and said that he was not even at the game. The umpire then identified the player as Hanson. + ' Alexander explained that he checks the roster for addresses only and only pages f thru the cards completed by the players noting the duplicates for players that . are on more than one team. Jessen read sections of Alexander's memo to Bultman. Bultman said that he was not trying to hide anything and that Hanson had told the team he had been reinstated when he gave the check to Alexander. Lambert stated that there are more than 3,000 softball players and Alexander cannot be expected to know each one of them. He said that if Bultman believed Hanson had been reinstated, he should have called Alexander to check that it was true. Gonyea said he feels that Alexander's memo to Bultman clearly states what the rules are. Alexander said he knows only about 8-10% of the players and that he felt since Bultman put Hanson' s name on the roster, there was a possibility that he was not trying to hide anything. Schwartz said the problem seems to be whether to suspend the team and Bultman or just Bultman. He asked Alexander is there is any leeway in the rule book since the letter itself seems clear enough. Alexander said that the main concern in a case like this is losing umpires because of harassment and that it is getting more difficult to get officials. Schwartz asked if there would be a way to soften the blow for the team and still suspend Bultman. Alexander said that the team does not see the roster, but each member of the team signs an individual card. Gonyea asked if the team can play without a manager. Alexander said that they can. Alexander said that this is the first time that a player has been suspended for grabbing an official. Bultman again said there was no written rule saying that managers can be suspended. UNAPPROVED MINUTES ; EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 16, 1984 �- -3- Lambert said he feels that Alexander should have some discretionary power, but i that since Hanson's name was listed on the roster that the team may not have been trying to hide anything and did think that Hanson was playing legally. Jessen asked if a team had ever been suspended. Alexander said no, but they !�A have had to forfeit games. Alexander said he feels that the team should be 1, j allowed to play out the season, but he mentioned that he has heard that the team caused trouble at Schooner Days. Members of the team denied that there was any trouble. i Jessen said he feels that Hanson should remain on suspension, that Bultman should be suspended for the rest of the season and that the team should forfeit the games. Alexander agreed with Jessen that the team be allowed to play for the rest of the season and Bultman not participate for the rest of the softball season, both in competition and playoffs, but that he is able to coach. Schwartz said if Alexander doesn't have a problem with it, the team should be allowed to participate. He feels it was mainly a communication problem to begin with. Alexander said that he has reevaluated his position on this case. Even though Bultman did not use good judgment by allowing Hanson to play, Alexander feels the punishment should be lessened. Gonyea suggested that Bultman be suspended for the season or a minimum of three games and be on probation for one year. Jessen added that the team's games should also be forfeited and he agreed with l the probationary period for John Bultman. L All members of the Commission agreed with this decision and the meeting was adjourned at 8:35 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary l