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Parks and Recreation - 11/21/1983 1983 N"" VEMBER 7 !, 21 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 1983 • 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Pat Breintenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF OCTOBER 17, 1983 4 OCTOBER 31, 1983 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners - None B. Report of Staff 1. Development Proposals 7:35 a. Crescent Ridge 8:00 b. Hidden Ridge i 8:10 2. 1983 Adult Softball Program Report 8:15 3. 1983 Adult Tennis Program Report , 8:20 4. Report on Round Lake Watershed 8:25 S. Skating Rink Report 8:30 6. Council Report from October 18 and November 1 VI. OLD BUSINESS 8:35 A. Review of Proposed Park Development Projects (continued from 9/19/83 8:40 B. Trail Connection from Topview Park North to NSP Property ( VII . NEW BUSINESS None 1 VIII . ADJOURNMENT APPROVED MINUTES \ EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 1983 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, chairperson (late, 8:15) ; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION MEMBER ABSENT: Raiford Baker COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by vice chairperson, Pat Breitenstein. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Schwartz moved to approve the Agenda as published. Kingrey seconded t e on and it carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF OCTOBER 17, 1983 & OCTOBER 31, 1983 MOTION: Gonyea moved to approve the Minutes of October 17, 1983 as published. Scc wartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. MOTION: Kingrey moved to approve the Minutes of October 31, 1.983 as pined. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS - None V. RECO44ENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners - None B. Report of Staff 1. Development Proposals a. Crescent Ridge Lambert introduced Ken Bossart, present on behalf of the proponent. Bossart reviewed the 152.4 acre project and explained that it will be developed in phases, with phase 1 being 12 single family lots and 118 multiple units on the eastern portion of the site. He reviewed the site plan noting that the 50 acre marsh in the center of the site will be preserved in its natural Cstate and given to the City as a gift. • r Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission pp -2- November 7, 1983 Lambert noted that the City feels the developer has done a very good job with the project and has been very cooperative in working with the City in retaining the amenities of the site. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of Crescent Ridge Development in accordance with Staff recommendations in the Memo of October 27, 1983, including the tot lot location at Evener andI,orence Way. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. t b. Hidden Ridge J MOTION: Gonyea moved to recommend approval of Hidden Ridge e3 velopment per Staff report and recommendations of November 4, 1983. Kingrey seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. 2. 1983 Adult Softball Program Report port ,r Lambert referred to the"Athletic Coordinators Season Ending Report" and reviewed the 7 suggestions made by the coordinator for the 1984 season. Lambert said Staff is in agreement with all the suggestions except #7 which is to have a "Most Valuable Umpire" award given out to the best and most reliable umpire. Kingrey referred to suggestion #4, to eliminate the chalking of , batter's boxes, and asked Staff to call some of the officials to see how they feel about this idea. 3. 1983 Adult Tennis Program Report Lambert referred to the"Athletic Coordinators Season Ending Report" and noted that next year there will be certain league nights for the tennis program and the season will start sooner than it did this year with a post season tournament. i 4. Report on Round Lake Watershed i This item is in response to the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission request that Staff contact the Riley/Purgatory Creek Watershed District to determine what their concerns are j regarding the Round Lake watershed, j Lambert spoke to Mr. Bob Obermeyer, staff of the Watershed District, and he expressed concern if the City began approving development drainage into Round Lake that is outside the Round Lake watershed. Lambert noted that the City has no plans for this. The Watershed District has recommended the 880 contour level not be exceeded, and the City should pump- water from the lake .south to the marsh in Lake Trail Estates and on to Mitchell Lake if the. level exceeds that. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & .approved Natural Resources Commission -3- November 7, 1983 MOTION: Friederichs moved to recommend that noting the Watershed District has set a not to exceed lake level of 880, and noting the current level is at or about that, the City should look at providing an outlet southerly to Mitchell Lake as a passible project in the near future. Gonyea seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. S. Skating Rink Report Lambert referred to Sandy Werts' memo of November 1, 1983. This is an information item. 6. Council Report from October 18 and November 1 October 18: * Council approved Master Plan contract for the Purgatory Creek Recreation Area. * Approved Fox Jets contract ' * Reviewed and tabled summer hockey school item. (Jensen November 1: chaired mtg. at this * Approved report on Riley Lake to be sent to City of Chanhassen. point) * Approved Phase I of the Cummings Grill House. * Approved summer hockey school to Minnesota Institute of Hockey. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Review of Proposed Park Development Projects (continued from 9/19/83) MOTION: Breitenstein moved to concur with Staff's list of proposed parT7evelopment projects. Friederichs seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. B. Trail Connection from Topview Park North to NSP Property Lambert referred to this as an information item. VII. NEW BUSINESS - None VIII. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 8:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 1983 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 7, 1983 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 7:35 Community Center Monthly Report VI. OLD BUSINESS 7:40 Proposed Surface Management Ordinance for Bryant Lake VII. NEW BUSINESS None 8:30 VIII. ADJOURNMENT i i. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 1983 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL Mar Jessen chairperson; Raiford. Baker COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty rp , Pat Breitenstein, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHER: Mark Weber, Eden Prairie News I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m. by-.chairperson, Marty Jessen. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA f MOTION: Breitenstein moved to approve the Agenda as published. Schwartz seed the motion and it carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 7, 1983 MOTION: Schwartz moved to approve the minutes as published. Breetenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS - None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners - None B. Reports of Staff Community Services Monthly Report - Lambert referred to this as an information item. VI. OLD BUSINESS Proposed Surface Management Ordinance for Bryant Lake Lambert reviewed the Staff Memo of November 15, 1983, which refers to the Council's direction that Staff work with the Hennepin County Park Reserve District (I-iCPRD) to develop recommendations for a water surface use management ordinance for Bryant Lake. At the request of this Commission, Staff, together with the HCPRD monitored the number and types of boats that used Bryant Lake during the summer of 1983 (results attached to November 15th memo) . Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -2- November 21, 1983 Based on discussions with the HCPRD and the Department of Natural Resources, Staff recommends that the City consider a water surface use management ordinance that would provide the following restrictions on Bryant Lake: Limit the speed of water craft to 15 miles per hour from 12:00 noon until 6:00 p.m. on Saturdays, Sundays, and holidays from Memorial Day through Labor Day. Greg Mack was present on behalf of the HCPRD. Baker asked if the proposed ordinance is consistent with other DNR ordinances. Lambert said yes and they support this recommendation. Mack added that the key in enforcing the ordinance will be assistance from the County water patrol-- HCPRD cannot enforce laws governing water craft on the lake. Resident Jim Perkins, 7012 Willow Creek Road, spoke several times and feels that there should not be a law to control the lake useage as that leads to enforcement and he feels the proposed ordinance would be almost impossible to enforce (one reason being boats are not required to have speedometers) . He pointed out that safety is of prime importance. In view of that, the fact that there are too many boats on the lake is more important than the speed they travel. Limit the number of boats coning through the Park boat launch (by limited parking) . Twenty-five boats as proposed by HCPRD is too many--10-12 is more reasonable. He also referred to the erosion problem caused by so many boats as they turn around on the south end of the lake. He feels the neighbors have never suggested limiting the use of the lake, only that fewer boats be allowed on the lake. The problem will work itself out. if. people can't launch their boats because parking is filled, eventually they will loose interest in coming. He feels strongly that if a 1S mph limit is enforced, there will be less use of the lake and eventually the residents will come into control again which is just what the City and County don't want. Don Sorenson, Willow Creek Road, also feels 15-20+ boats is too many for Bryant Lake. The topography of the lake should be considered--long and narrow and very shallow at either end. Sorenson also noted that boats are being launched at Thelma Haynes property which is adding to the number of boats on the lake. He also pointed out that the main reason the park is there isn't only the lake==it will be used no matter how many boats are launched. He agrees the topography of the lake should be considered in determining how many boats/acre--find out how much useable water there is and then figure the acreage and number of boats allowable. Resident Phil Parsons, Beach Road, said the residents on Bryant Lake have a great deal invested in property and home expense. He feels the proposed regulation will prohibit their boating activity on the lake during peak summer times which infringes on one of the main reasons they chose to live there--boating. Since it appears from the survey that 2/3 of the boats on the lake come through the park launch, this is where the limitations should be placed. If parking is limited, the overcrowding of boats on the lake will diminish and safety can be restored. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -3- November 21, 1983 Resident Gedney Tuttle, Willow Creek Road, suggests the two extreme ends of the lake which are not conducive to good water skiing, should be closed to skiiers. Ile mentioned there are bays in Lake Minnetonka where closed throttle and no skiing is permitted and it does not seem to be a problem. Bryant Lake simply narrows down too much at both the north and south ends for good turn around use and also the erosion problem created by turning around at high speeds is greatest at those two points. Resident Joe Harding, Willow Wood, said he has not had his speed boat on the lake in 2 years because he feels the lake is not safe--too many boats. He feels if the number of boats is limited there will be no problem or need for an ordinance. Lambert said he is not surprised by the residents comments. The property owners do have a lot invested in their homes, etc. The fact is, however, the lake and those waters must be available to everyone. The metro area has invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in the park and has a right to its use. Bryant Lake has become unsafe so controls are necessary. The number of boats/acre (1/10 acres) is a minimum standard set by the DNR. If the proposed controls are adopted more people can use the lake. He added that he feels buoys to prevent skiing at either end of the lake is a good idea. �. Mack said the present facility permits a maximum of 30 trailers in the parking area. However, the present facility is not very controllable due to inadequate layout, etc. , and that is why improvement is necessary. He added perhaps even 10 runabouts presents an unsafe situation, that is why the horsepower regulation permits more activity on the lake but it will be safer in nature with reduced speed. Schwartz asked when does the City lose DNR funding in terms of management of the lake? Lambert and Mack said the DNR will not manage the lake as well. in terms of stocking, etc. , if below the minimum number of boats is allowed on the lake. Jessen said the DNR is veEX concerned about non-discriminatory use of the lake. In light of that,the City is trying to look for a reasonable solution to the management problem. Baker said he feels it is a mistake to allow only 10-15 boats through the public access, Ttis far more difficult to enforce the number of boats than the speed. Presently there are 2 uncontrollable accesses to the lake (Haynes property and Willow Creek homeowners access) so by regulating the number of boats at the park launch only,. nothing is accomplished. Ile feels the City should stick to the original proposal of regulating speed. Lambert noted the discussion was supposed to focus on a lake surface management ordinance and instead it has been on the number of boats allowed on the lake. They are two different issues and should be handled separately. Minutes - Parks, Recreation approved Natural Resources Commission -4- November 21, 1983 MOTION: Schwartz moved to recommend the Council not adopt a surface use orT—Lnance. Instead, 3 steps should be taken to address the safety and use problems: 1. Request the HCPRD enforce only allowing 20 cars with boat trailers on the park site. 2. Buoy off the northern tip and southern end of the lake as no-wake zones. 3. Close off unauthorized access points onto Bryant 'Lake (at least investigate the Hayes property access) . Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried. Baker voted naye, the others in favor. VII. NEW BUSINESS - None VIII. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 9:45 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary