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1983
MAY 2 , 16
MINUTES
CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
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MONDAY, MAY 2, 1983 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker,
Pat Breintenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary
Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
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7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
7:35 III. MINUTES OF APRIL 18, 1983
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
None
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
CA. Reports of Commissioners - none
B. Reports of Staff
1. Development Proposals
7:40 a. Lions Tap
8:45 b. Lorence Addition Condominiums
9:00 2. Minutes of March 22, 1983 Council meeting (Goals & Objectives)
9:05 3. City Council Action of April 19, 1983
VI. OLD BUSINESS
9:10 A. Request to Advertise for Air Conditioning Installation at
Community Center
9:15 B. Staring Lake Park Trail Easement Agreement $ Construction Phases
9:20 C. Request to Advertise for Planner to Prepare Master Plan for MCA
Floodplazn Area
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VII. NEW BUSINESS
9:30 A. Settlement of the Kopesky Condemnation Appeal
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9:35 VIII. ADJOURNMENT
APPROVED MINUTES
C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES C014MISSION
MONDAY, MAY 2, 1983 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Pat Breitenstein,
Marge Friederichs, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Bud Baker, Gary Gonyea
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by chairperson, Marty Jessen.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Breitenstein moved to approve the Agenda as published. Friederichs
seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
III. MINUTES OF APRIL 18, 1983
MOTION: Friederichs moved to approve the Minutes as published. Breitenstein
seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
` IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
None
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners - None
B. Reports of Staff
1. Development Proposals
a. Lions Tap
Bert Noterman, owner of Lion's Tap and Dick Putnam, Planner for
the project were present. Putnam reviewed the proposed plans
for moving and expanding the parking lot, expanding the building,
and squaring up the intersection of County Rd. 4 and Hwy. 169
(involves realignment of Co.Rd. 4 about 60-65' east) .
Putnam added that the present proposal will be a benefit to the
City in that it will make the intersection safer due to the
realignment, and also will move the parking lot away from Highway
169 putting the only access to the Tap off of County Rd. 4.
Lambert said he concurs with Planning Staff recommendations,
but would like to see the parking lot lioited to 40 spaces
instead of the proposed 60-63 spaces. He said he could go along
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with a 53 car parking lot (ordinance requirement) , and would
recommend straightening out the entry road Which would cut down
on the grading required. He added that if more parking is needed
he would like to see it added to the west side of the parking
area as this would have less impact on the grading of the hill .
Jessen asked if employee cars were included in the ordinance
minimum. Lambert said he thought they were. Noterman noted
that the Tap expects about 11 employee cars on his heaviest day.
Putnam added that the developer would like to get by with less
grading of the hillside, but the City normally does not allow
anything more than a 3:1 grade. He feels this site is different
and with proper soil erosion precautions a steeper grade could
be successful .
MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend •to the Council the following:
1. If expansion of the building is approved, 60 parking spaces
plus 3 handicapped spaces near the entrance to the building would
be acceptable. 2.) Grading be kept out of the woods on the
northeast part of the parking area. 3. ) Variable slopes be
accepted in areas in order to minimize encroachment of the hillside,
2:1 could be considered in certain places, but grading should stay
below the 790 level . 4. ) Cash Park Fees would be applicable.
5.) Realignment of County Rd. 4 per developers proposal be
accomplished as shown. 6. ) Due to unstable soils, the landscaping
be done so erosion control can be met. Also included in this
recommendation are #3 and #9 •From Planning Staff recommendations
of April 22, 1983. It is also recommended that when the trees
are put in, they follow existing natural vegetation. Schwartz
seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
b. Lorence Addition Condominiums
Lambert noted there are no significant issues for this Commission
regarding this proposal .
Kingrey questioned whether the holding pond could be used for any
other purpose than just a drainage area. He feels that this
pond might be used as an amenity by the developer, and recommended
the developer landscape around the pond.
MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of Lorence Addition
Condominiums per Planning Staff Report of April 22, 1983. Schwartz
seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
2. Minutes of March 22, 1983 Council Meeting (Goals & Objectives)
Lambert said there was not enough time at the Council Meeting to
let all the different departments speak, but in light of this meeting
he suggests that this Commission develop some goals and objectives
' as a means of pointing out what is important to the community.
He suggested perhaps this Commission develop goals for the forestry
program, or the bike trail program and when the Commission would like to see
these programs completed. He added that developing these goals and
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and objectives would help Staff in the budget process.
Jessen requested Lambert to put this item on the agenda for the next
meeting, and asks each Commission member to give this serious thought
and call Bob with ideas.
3. City Council Action of April 19, 1983
- Approval of 1983 Staring Lake Park Grant. j !
- City attorney is working on draft of Northstars proposal .
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. Request to Advertise for Air Conditioning Installation at Community Center
MOTION: Schwartz moved to approve the request to advertise for air
conditioning installation at Community Center. Friederichs seconded the
motion and it carried unanimously.
B. Staring Lake Park Trail Easement Agreement & Construction Phases
MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend approval per Staff recommendations.
Kingrey seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
\ C. Request to Advertise for Planner to Prepare Master Plan for MCA Floodplain
Area
Lambert referred to Staff Memo of April 21, 1983 including a sample of the
Request for Proposal (RFP) which will be sent to planning firms interested
in developing the Master Plan for MCA Purgatory Creek Recreation Area.
Staff is also recommending a design competition ($1000 award) as a means
of finding a firm that will satisfy the City's needs in getting a worthwhile
plan.
Jessen and Kingrey both said they feel $1000 might not be enough for
the design competition. They question whether quality planners can afford
to participate at that price.
MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval to advertise for planner to
prepare the Master Plan for MCA Floodplain area, but this Commission is
concerned that $1000 is not enough for the amount of work that is required,
and perhaps $2,000-$3,000 should be considered to get a quality product.
Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. Settlement of the Kopesky Condemnation Appeal
MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of the Kopesky Condemnation Appeal .
( Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
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VIII. ADJOURNMENT
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The meeting was adjourned at 9:05 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Carrie Tietz
Recording Secretary
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Monday May 16, 1983 7:30 P.M. , COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker,
Pat Breintenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary
Gor_yea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
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7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II . APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III . MINTUES OF MAY 6, 1983
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
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None
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
/ A. Reports of Commissioners
None
B. Reports of Staff
1. Development Proposals
7:35 a. Hidden Glen
8:00 b. Edenvale 17th Addition
8:20 2. Council Actions of May 3, 1983
VI . OI.D BUSINESS
None
VII . NEW BUSINESS
8:25 A. Staring Lake Access
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8:35 B. Goals and Policies for Eden Prairie Community Services i
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9:00 VIII . ADJOURNMENT
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APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, MAY 16, 1983 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen chairperson; Raiford Baker, Marge
Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey (late-8:00)
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Pat Breitenstein, Jesse Schwartz
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m. by Chairperson, Marty Jessen.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Lambert added the following item to the Agenda: IV.A. Correspondence from
Hennepin County Park Reserve District.
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MOTION: Baker moved to approve the Agenda as amended. Gonyea seconded the
motion and it carried unanimously.
III. MINUTES OF MAY 2, 1983
C MOTION: Friederichs moved to approve the Minutes of May 2, 1983 as published.
Jessen seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Correspondence from Hennepin County Park Reserve District
Lambert referred to correspondence from the HCPRD of May 11, 1983,
stating the motion passed by the HCPRD Board of Commissioners with
regard to horsepower limitation on Bryant Lake. The County is asking
to work with Eden Prairie is establishing reasonable surface use
regulations on Bryant Lake.
Jessen suggested that Larry Peterson, Hennepin County Sheriff's Water
Patrol , Spring Park, be consulted for ideas on enforceability, regulations,
etc. as the City proceeds with a study of this problem.
MOTION: Baker moved to recommend that this Commission is in receipt of
tt May 11, 1983 letter from the HCPRD to the City, and that the Council
direct Staff to work with the HCPRD on the issue of water surface
regulations on Bryant Lake and then notify landowners of the situation.
Gonyea seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners - None
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B. Reports of Staff
1. Development Proposals
a. Hidden Glen
Lambert explained to the Commission that the City Engineering
and Planning Staffs, in reviewing this proposal and the requirements
for the extension of Dell Road, found it apparent that extending
Dell Road directly north through swamp land (as originally planned)
would be very expensive. They now feel it might make more sense
to take Dell Road to the northwest through this project. The
revised plan before the Commission at this time indicates the
realignment of Dell Road. Lambert also noted that the major
concern of this PUD proposal and rezoning request is the site
and location of the proposed neighborhood park and how this park
site will be acquired.
Dick Ferrick was present to show the revised park plan for the
Hidden Glen proposal . He noted he is very willing to work with
the City in whatever way possible to solve the park issue.
Lambert said Staff has had a difficult time planning the park
to make it work in the revised location. The only way, as far as
Staff can see, would be to move the park 70' to the west. However,
this would take out about 4 lots from the development: and would
bear about 25% of frontage on Dell Road.1 The road assessments
would probably exceed the cost of the park. Park fees from the
service area would not cover the assessments, the acquisition and
the development.
Jessen said he feels if an extra 70' makes the park feasible,
then the City should find the money to extend the park.
MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of Staff recommendations
or t e park plan at Hidden Glen, including 70 feet of additional
land as shown on the revised map of May 6, 1983 and per Staff
report of May 13, 1983. Baker seconded the motion and it carried
unanimously.
b. Edenvale 17th Addition
Lambert located this proposal north of Edenvale Boulevard, south �
of Birch Island Road. He added that the May 6, 1983 Planning
Staff report addresses all issues of concern. There is no one
present from the planning firm, Westwood Engineering.
Jessen asked if Lambert would check with the 9 Mile Creek
Watershed District and see what the situation is on the lake
level of Birch Island Lake. Lambert said he would and perhaps
ask,:.d if Mr. Obermeyer would come out and discuss this issue with
the Commission.
Friederichs asked if there are any plans to make an appropriate
trail passage to Birch Island Park. Lambert said a trail
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is planned that would run along the north side of the camp.
The new trail would go under the railroad tracks.
MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of Edenvale 17th
Addition per the May 6, 1983 Planning Staff report.
Friederichs seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
2. Council Actions of May 3, 1983
The Council acted on the following:
* Approved final settlement of Kopesky parcel .
k Passed resolution honoring Jaycees in the reforestation program.
* Approved Staring Lake Park trail construction phases.
* Approved proposal for bike trail construction and funding.
* Approved advertisement for planner of Major Center Floodplain
Design.
* Approved Community Center membership qualifications.
VI. OLD BUSINESS - None
VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. Staring Lake Access
Lambert referred to Staff Memo of May 12, 1983, wherein the poor condition
of the existing boat access on Staring Lake is discussed. Dell Barber
of the Department of Natural Resources had assured Staff that the access
on Staring Lake was scheduled for upgrading in 1983. Now, the Department
is saying that due to the small size of Staring Lake this access will
probably not be upgraded for another two to three years. Staff would
like approval to try to get a firm commitment from the DNR to either
upgrade the access or give the City authorization to upgrade it so the
site can be used.
MOTION: Gonyea moved to recommend that this Commission support Staff on
their recommendation to discuss with the DNR that the City stands
ready to improve the Staring Lake boat access if DNR authorizes it to
do so. Friederichs seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
B. Goals and Policies for Eden Prairie Community Services
Lambert referred to Staff Memo of May 13, 1983 wherein Staff lists the
goals and policies suggested by Staff for initial review and enhancement
( by this Commission.
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Jessen suggested adding the following headings to the list
of goals and policies:
* Programs
X Fees and Charges
* Finance
* Planning
Lambert said Staff will add goals and objectives under these new
headings and present them to the Commission for comments.
Kingrey said he would like the City to consider better use of
senior citizens in programs that involve children, community, etc.
He feels perhaps something can be set up to involve seniors more
in these various volunteer programs.
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Friederichs suggested the lakes throughout the City be stocked with
fish. Jessen also mentioned access be developed to all water
bodies in the City over a certain number of acres.
Jessen asked if Staff could get the figures on the number of hours
per month the Community Center is rented on future monthly reports.
Lambert said he would get this information.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Carrie Tietz
Recording Secretary