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Parks and Recreation - 11/15/1982 1982 NOVEMBER 1 !, 15 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE I AGENDA C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1982 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, chairperson; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Marty Jessen, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II . APPROVAL OF AGENDA III . MINUTES OF OCTOBER 18, 1982 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:35 A. Presentation of Certificate of Appreciation to Gene Martinson and Swede Rasmussen C V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 7:40 1. Development Proposal - Red Rock Ranch (a Preliminary Review) 2. Council Report of October 19, 1982 VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS None VIII . ADJOURNMENT r APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1982 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, chairperson (7:40) ; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Marty Jessen, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION MEMBER ABSENT: Jerry Kingrey COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Sandy Werts, Recreation Director i OTHERS: Mark Weber, Eden Prairie News I I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order by acting chairperson, Pat Breitenstein, at 7:35 p.m. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Friederichs moved to recommend approval of the agenda as published. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF OCTOBER 18, 1982 MOTION: Gonyea moved to recommend approval of the October 18, 1982 minutes as published. Jessen seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Presentation of Certificate of Appreciation to Gene Martinson and Swede Rasmussen Sandy Werts acknowledged the resolution of the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission honoring Eugene Martinson and Swede Rasmussen for their participation in the fire arm safety program in Eden Prairie over the past, 61 years. MOTION: Jessen moved to recommend approval for the adoption of the resolution honoring Martinson and Rasmussen. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. Anderson arrived late and made the presentation, reading the proclamation to those present. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners - None Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -2- November 1, 1982 l B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposal - [Zed Rock Ranch (a Preliminary Review Lambert said Staff has asked the developer to provide this Commission with a preliminary review of the PUD proposal , Red Rock Ranch. This item will be on the Agenda at the November 15, 1982 meeting where residents will be notified, so the purpose of this discussion is to review the information provided by the developer and raise issues for the developer to address at the November 15th meeting. Dick Putnam, Planner, and Randy Trevalia, V.P. of Mason Homes, were present on behalf of the developer. Putnam gave a history of the project to date. He said there have been many neighborhood meetings and meetings with the City Staff since early 1981. The developer is very interested in everyone understanding the project and being informed as the project develops. Lambert noted that about 8 months ago, this Commission left the option open to put a 5-6 acre park either at the north or south end of Red Rock Lake. Also, this Commission agreed the park would not be one of active use but serve mainly as a boat access to the lake (probably only electric motors, 5-6 car parking, etc.) . Lambert also noted the developer is requesting a Guide Plan change from low density (375 units) to medium density residential (800-1100) . The developer is suggesting a 5-6 acre park on the south shore of the lake and that the park be dedicated and the amount the park is worth be deducted from the cash park fees. Staff recommends a 5-6 acre park dedication in lieu of density increase. If the City decides not to increase the density through a change in the Guide Plan, then the City should either buy the park property or deduct the cost from cash park fees. Gonyea asked why the developer is asking for such a dramatic increase in density? Putnam responded that Mason hopes to develop a very high quality development with a variety of units. They feel a 150 acre development of this kind can support large single family homes and fine townhouses, etc. The housing market is changing and the strictly single family developments of the past are not viable today, but many different types of housing produce a quality project. Jessen pointed out that besides the questions of lake access and cash park fees, the shoreline management act is not met by this development plan. He added he hoped the developer will respond to the shoreline management issue at the next meeting. Putnam said at the neighborhood meetings many residents questioned why a park is needed on this lake. Lambert said this park is necessary to provide public access to this lake, and the majority of the users would be 14 Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -3- November 1, 1982 Mason development. This park will not be conducive to loud parties due to its visible location and the type of neighborhood it is in. Lambert also asked the Commission to note the Guide Plan shows a greenway corridor from the Middle School to Red Rock Lake and Staring Lake. That path system, if deemed important, would need to be routed through or around this development. Anderson said he feels where feasible this corridor should be considered because it would a—fcd—a lot to the neighborhood as well as responding to the Guide)Pdan. Anderson asked if there will be considerable dredging with this project? Putnam said there will be extensive dredging to make an area of the corn field into a pond. He added it is possible some sort of a trail system could be integrated into the pond area. �C Resident Larry Langen, Eden Hills neighborhood, said he would like to see the park as proposed aligned differently to provide existing residents a buffer from the park. Lambert said the configuration of the park is not final as proposed. He said residents can request a buffer strip to provide visual relief From any high density units adjacent to their property. Putnam sug gested that some of the buffer areas be planted now so that when the multi family units adjacent to the park are built the planting will have matured significantly. Lambert noted this item will be back on the agenda November 15, 1982. 2. Council Report of October 19, 1982 Lambert reported the Council approved the joint master plan for Anderson Lakes Park as recommended by this Commission. VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS i Anderson said there will be refreshments and recognition of the NRPA award Eden Prairie received at 7:00, November 15, 1982. VIII. ADJOURNMENT Friederichs moved to recommend adjournment at 8:50 p.m. Gonyea seconded the motion. ( Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATIONAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER IS, 1982 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL i 7:00 P.M. - GOLD MEDAL AWARD PARTY i COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, chairperson; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Marty Jessen, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 1, 1982 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. RECOMMEDNATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 7:35 1. Development Proposal - Red Rock Ranch 9:15 2. City Council Meeting of November 2, 1982 i VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS 9:20 A. Resolution Sponsoring Snowmobile Trails 9:30 VIII. ADJOURNMENT r. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 15, 1982 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, chairperson; Gary Gonyea, Marty Jessen, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS: Mark Weber, Eden Prairie News I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:40 p.m. by chairperson, Richard Anderson. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of the agenda as published. Jessen seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. ( III. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 1, 1982 MOTION: Jessen moved to recommend approval of the Minutes as published. Gonyea seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. Kingrey abstained. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS - None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. worts of Commissioners - None B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposal - Red Rock Ranch Lambert stated that the Planning Commission, at their last meeting, returned the plans to the developer to rework the density figures. Therefore, Staff recommends this Commission not make a recommendation as the plans may change considerably. However, Lambert suggested the Commission go over the pertinent issues of the park, trail and road. Lambert noted that the boundaries of the park will not be determined at this point, only the size of the park should be a minimum of 4 acres to offer public access for small boats. Lambert said he doesn't feel a final decision on the trail can be made until the plans are submitted, but there could be a connection from the north shore of Red Rock Lake to Staring Lake. 1 Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved C Natural Resources Commission -2- 15 November, 1982 Jessen said he favors Mitchell Road as it is shown in the Guide Plan. Also, the trail or greenway corridor cannot be determined until the final platting and zoning occur. He added he hopes the developer will comply with the Shoreline Management Ordinance. He also said he favors the park to be closer to 6 acres in size. Kingrey said he feels the park should be smaller than presently shown. Also, he feels it should be clarified that there has, as yet, been no commitment to motorized boat access for this park. Resident Ken Mulder, 8855 Mitchell Road is in agreement with realigning Mitchell Road. He expressed concern that no more silting occur in McCoy Lake. Putnam said the Watershed District has reduced the size of drainage pipes from the lakes around McCoy. This should help McCoy maintain its present state. MOTION: Jessen moved to offer the following comments to the City Council : This Commission's desire that the developer comply with the Shoreline Management Ordinance; the expectation there will be a greenway corridor and trail system adjoining Red Rock and Staring { Lake Trail systems; that this Commission favors realignment of Mitchell Road as a minor collector, and the road around Staring Lake be a parkway-type minor collector. Also, the proposed park at the southwest end of Red Rock Lake be in the range of 4-6 acres in size, and that the park be dedicated to the City in lieu of cash park fees, with the last phase, but if the density is greater than 21-, units per acre there should be a dedication of land plus cash park fees. Kingrey seconded the motion and it carried unanimoulsy. A 10 minutes recess was taken at this time. 2. City Council Meeting of November 2, 1982 Lambert reported on the Cite Council actions of November 2, 1982. Anderson said he is very optimistic about the City raising more funds for the restoration of the Grill House. He noted the Eden Prairie Foundation has already committed money for it and they are approaching corporations within the community to donate money. Jessen suggested the City begin investigating the purchase of the Boyce property. He said it is valuable to the park system because it lies between Staring Lake Park and the Grill House. He said if the present owner, Boyce, wants to continue to live there another 12 years or so that would be all right, but he feels the City should try to acquire it before too long or it will become out of reach financially. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -3- November 15, 1982 Schwartz questioned the reason for buying the Boyce/Janakula property. He feels it should be clear what it will be used for before purchasing. f MOTION: Gonyea moved to recommend to the City Council that Lambert Fe—given permission to talk to the Boyce and Janakul-a 's in terms of their willingness to sell their property and the price for the property, and report back to this Commission. Jessen seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. i VI. OLD BUSINESS - None VIII. NEW BUSINESS A. Resolution Sponsoring Snowmobile Trails MOTION: Jessen moved to recommend to the City Council approval of the resolution sponsoring snowmobile trails in the City. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. Anderson said he feels it would be helpful to have a large City map (Guide Plan Map) that can be permanently kept in the Council Chambers for meetings. VIII. ADJOURNMENT Kingrey moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:10 p.m. Gonyea seconded the motion.. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary