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Parks and Recreation - 10/04/1982 1982 OCTOBER 4 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE r AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, OCTOBER 4, 1982 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, chairperson; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Marty Jessen, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 20, 1982 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS C A. Reports of Commissioners - none B. Resorts of Staff 1. Development Proposals 7:35 a. Woodlawn Heights Single Family 8:00 2. Edenvale 9th Addition Tree Removal Report 8:15 3. Cherne Development Contracting Dedication 8:20 4. Council Report September 21, 1982 VI. OI.D BUSINESS 8:25 A. Joint Master Plan - Hyland/Bush/Anderson Lakes Regional Park Reserve VII. NEW BUSINESS None 10:00 VIII. ADJOURNMENT 5 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION ' MONDAY, OCTOBER 4, 1982 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, chairperson; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Marty Jessen (8:30) , Jerry Kingrey (8:00) , Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS: Mark Weber, Eden Prairie News I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 P.M. , by Chairperson, Richard Anderson. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend approval of the Agenda as published. Fr e�derichs seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 20, 1982 MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend approval of the minutes of September 20, 1982, as published. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. MINUTES OF AUGUST 30, 1982 MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend approval of the August 30, 1982, minutes as published. Jessen seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS - None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners - None B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals a. Woodlawn Heights Single Family Marshall Oaks was present on behalf of the developer. He introduced Ralph Wagner of Probe Engineering to give a brief presentation of the proposal . Minutes - Parks, Recreation & _! approved Natural Resources Commission -2- October 4, 1982 Wagner said the developer is requesting preliminary platting and rezoning from Rural to R1-9.5 for 139 single family lots. He noted that the outlot encompassing the ponding area will be dedicated to the City. Wagner said the developer is concerned about the extent of park dedication. They would like to ask the City that either they not be required to grade the park area at this time, or that they get credit toward the park dedication. The park area as shown on the site plan at this point would require extensive grading which would be very costly. Lambert noted that the dedication is a density transfer situation. After walking the site, Lambert said he feels the play field area of the park should be put further down the hill , and that the hill be preserved. Staff is in agreement that the park as proposed would require expensive grading, and that the only grading requirement of the developer should be for the tennis courts and totlot at the top of the hill . MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend to the Council to approve Woollawn Heights Proposal per Staff recommendations without grading the ballfield (delete ballfields from recommendation #11) . Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. 2. Edenvale 9th Addition Tree Removal Report Lambert said this item is in response to this Commission's concern about the oak trees in the center of the site in Edenvale 9th. Lambert walked the site and found there really were 43 oak trees on the site instead of the originally stated 10-11 trees. Lambert introduced Dick Krier of Westwood Engineering to respond further on this issue. Krier said he has rexamined the grading plan and pointed out to the Commission how the plan has changed to accommodate the trees. He also pointed out which trees cannot be saved, especially along the eastern edge of the site. Anderson said he also went to the site and saw there are 10 significant oak trees which overlook the creek, Highway 5 and the large swamp area toward the Minnesota River Valley. Anderson questions whether it is worthwhile to take down several significant trees to accommodate a grading plan when the building may not occur for several years. He feels saving the trees makes the land more valuable to perspective buyers. Anderson feels the Commission should reconsider part of the approval from the last meeting with this new information on the number of trees. Krier said Valley View Road is controlling the grade of this site. Also the land use here is office/warehouse which requires large areas of flat terrain, not rolling, wooded areas. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -3- October 4, 1982 Kingrey asked if the north/south street could be moved to allow the trees and the knoll in the central portion of the site to remain? Krier said the knoll would still have to come down to allow the east/west street to go through. He added that the developer plans to do extensive landscaping to compensate for the loss in trees. Krier also noted that the initial grading will occur for the west loop road system and buildings. Anderson and Kingrey both emphasized that they do not want to see another Menard's situation where all the grading was done in the beginning and the land still is vacant of building or vegetation. Kingrey suggested that when the street goes in, even before lots are sold, landscaping be done along the street. MOTION: Schwartz moved to recommend to the Council that they consider requiring boulevard trees be planted at the time the street is put in at the Edenvale 9th Addition site. That the trees used be in accordance with City policy and that they be put in within 6 months time of when the streets are completed. Kingrey seconded the motion. The motion carried, 5 in favor, 1 opposed (Anderson) . 3. Cherne Development Contracting Dedication Lambert said the Cherne Corporation is offering to dedicate 10% of their site in liew of the cash park fee and an additional 23% by warranty deed as a gift in order to maintain the Blacklock concept. Lambert said this offer meets all City ordinances and would provide a land donation comparable to the adjacent property owners. It does however, mean that both the 10% and the 23% would be donated to the Hennepin County Reserve District and the City would not receive any cash park fees for this property. 4. Council Report September 21, 1982 The Council approved the strategy for resolution to acquire Camp Indian Chief. VI . OLD BUSINESS A. Joint Master Plan - Hyland/Bush/Anderson Lakes Regional Park Reserve Lambert introduced Staff from the Hennepin County Park Reserve District �. to discuss the Joint Master Plan with residents and Commission members. Gregg Mack is South Area Manager for the Park Reserve District and Don DeVoe is a landscape architect who will review the plans. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -4- October 4, 1982 Devoe went through each of the Master Plan plates, then requested questions or comments from the audience. Lambert voiced several comments and concerns. He asked that the District consider a floating boardwalk trail as access from the south Anderson Lakes to the north Lake. Lambert said Staff is opposed to pedestrain pathways along the west shore of either of the north or south lakes, and is concerned with the proposed parking lot and access road. Staff feels it is important to maintain the preservation character of Anderson Lakes through views from Anderson Lakes Parkway, as well as the adjacent neighborhoods. Lambert asked why there is no reference to picnicking in the southeast corner of Anderson Lakes. Also, the use of an interpretive center in the south Anderson Lakes area? DeVoe responded that both the interpretive center and picnic areas were not suggested due to the problem of access into the south and north areas, heavy traffic. Resident Russell Bragg, 8813 Hidden Oaks Drive, said Anderson Lakes Parkway already has such heavy traffic problems that putting the access to the park there would increase the problems. Anderson noted that the issue of traffic and highway issues will be dealt with elsewhere than this Commission meeting. Lambert said he feels access has to come off Anderson Lakes Parkway but the question is where and how. Resident Trevor Gettleman, 8851 Hidden Oaks Drive said he feels strongly the access and parking should occur away from the view of residents. Resident Jack Krough, 8743 Bentwood Drive, asked why no trails are planned north of the north Lake where there are no people living nearby? DeVoe responded there are no trails planned there due to the scenic easement and the very wet conditions. Kingrey asked if vehicular access off of a limited service road along County Road 18 has been considered. This would avoid access off Anderson Lakes Parkway. DeVoe said this is not being considered because it is still unclear what the outcome of the County Road 18 upgrading will be. Resident Ed Landes, 8855 Hidden Oaks Drive said he is concerned about security if a trail along the west side of the south lake is put in. He said he already has been burglarized once since living there and feels a trail would be a security problem. Resident Brian Viessner said he feels a trail in the south lake area will intrude with the deer population. Anderson said he is in agreement with the Blacklock plan for the Anderson Lakes area, that the western shore is supposed to be left pristine. He added that the City is very fortunate to have a large, well planned park r i Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -5- October 4, 1982 such as this and be part of the regional park system. This is the time for people to voice their concerns and concerned residents should also let the Council know their wishes. Kingrey said it seems evident that there is not room for a trail on the west side of south Anderson Lakes. Perhaps a trail along County Road 18 om the south lake to the north lake. should be used as the access fr Schwartz said perhaps the access to the park should occur near the Earl Smith home which would bring the access closer to County Road 18 off of Anderson Lakes Parkway. He said there would be proper screening from residents at that location. Resident Brian Wiessner asked how much canoeing would be allowed on the lake. DeVoe said only canoeing under the direction of a naturalist will be permitted. Canoeing would be part of the interpretive and scientific programs run by the Hennepin County Park Reserve District. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend to the Council approval of the Joint Master Plan for Hyland/Bush/Anderson Lakes Regional Park Reserve and include the following: 1. Delete west trail along south Anderson Lake r 2. Delete parking and access road in proposed location 3. Consider vehicular parking and access road eatt of Amsden Way. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. Gonyea abstained. DISCUSSION: Lambert said he is opposed to Kingrey's suggestion of access to tie park from a frontage road off County Road 18. This would require extra space beyond the additional space required in upgrading Co. Rd. 18. Also, he feels access can only occur off Anderson Lakes Parkway but not across from Franlo Road as proposed, but further east so it will be out of site for nearby residents. VII. NEW BUSINESS None VIII. ADJOURNMENT Breitenstein moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:50 p.m. Jessen seconded the motion. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary l y AGENDA j EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, OCTOBER 18, 1982 7:00 P.M. , CITY HALL NOTE: 7:00 P.M. - TOUR OF STARING LAKE PARK SHELTER COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, chairperson; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Marty Jessen, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz I COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services I Approx. Time to Begin Item i i 7:00 TOUR STARING LAKE PARK 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF OCTOBER 4, 1982 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:35 A. Letter from Trevor Gettelman Re: Anderson Lakes Park V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 7:40 1. Senior Citizen Issues - Dick Anderson B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals 8:00 a. Eden Prairie Public Library 8:30 2. Skating Rink Program Report 8:40 3. Council Report of October 5, 1982 VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII . NEW BUSINESS None 8:45 VIII. ADJOURNMENT ,APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, OCTOBER 18, 1982 7:00 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, chairperson; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea, Marty Jessen, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services TOUR STARING LAKE PARK I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by chairperson, Richard Anderson. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of the Agenda as published. Br to enstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF OCTOBER 4, 1982 MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend approval of the Minutes of October 4, 1982 as published. Gonyea seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Letter from Trevor Gettelman Re: Anderson Lakes Park Lambert reported this as an information item requiring no action. Lambert said he spoke with Les Blacklock on the telephone and Mr. Blacklock supports Mr. Gettleman on eliminating the west trail and proper screening of the parking lot and access road. Kingrey asked if Lambert would keep the Commission updated on the status of Anderson Lakes Park and Bryant Lake Park. Lambert said he would. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Senior Citizen Issues - Dick Anderson Anderson said he spoke with a senior on his concerns with the activities of the senior citizen organization in Eden Prairie. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -2- October 18, 1982 Present at this meeting on behalf of the senior citizens was Pinky and Ralph Nesbitt. They said they feel things are going well within the organization and perhaps the problems expressed to Anderson are a personality conflict. Anderson said the gentleman who called was invited to come to this meeting to express his concerns and has not come. As far as Anderson can see and based on the comments of Mr. and Mr. Nesbitt things seem to be fine. The problem of vandalism was brought up because there have been several problems in the past at the senior center. Lambert said considering the isolation of the senior center he doesn't feel the 4-5 problems reported in a year is too bad. B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals a. Eden Prairie Public Library Lambert said there are no major issues concerning this Commission and the proposed library so no representatives of the developer were invited to this meeting. Lambert said he feels the cash park fees should be paid by the developer in order to develop the required pedestrian accesses in the form of trails and sidewalks. Jessen said he feels the City should not require cash park fees from the public library system, but insist they construct the proper sidewalks on their property. He added he would rather see the $12,500 (±) put into the library itself (instead of cash park fees). Anderson said he is in agreement with Jessen. He said the library system is a public agency and is also in the public recreation business. MOTION: Jessen moved to recommend to the Council approval of preliminary platting and rezoning for the Eden Prairie Public Library subject to Staff recommendations and conditions and that the library be exempt from cash park fees only on the acres used for library purposes, and any other property sold would have to pay cash park fees. The idea of waiving the cash park fees is that the library system in also in the public recreation business. Friederichs seconded the motion and it carried, Kingrey opposed. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -3- October 18, 1982 2. Skating Rink Program Report Lambert referred to this item as information only and referred to Staff Memo of October 13, 1982 from Sandy Werts. He said the only change in this years skating program will be eliminating the rink at Crestwood Terrace. He added that many of the neighborhood mini rinks are used very seldom but in some areas that is all they've got as there is not a neighborhood park in those areas. Jessen and Anderson both said they feel the City can justify cutting down on the neighborhood rinks because of the Community Center skating and the other major rinks in the City. Gonyea suggested that if the City eliminates the neighborhood mini rinks and finds there is a great deal of demand for them they can always be brought back into use. MOTION: Jessen moved to recommend to the Council that the City eliminate the provision of neighborhood mini rinks on the basis of their high cost and limited use. With 5 major rinks and the Community Center in the City this Commission feels they are no longer essential . Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. �_. 3. Council Report of October 5, 1982 Lambert reported the following from the Council Meeting of October 5th: * Approved the Cherne Contracting Development * Accepted donation of plaque at the Community Center from Smiley Glotter Architects. * Approved 1983 budget. * Approved Edenvale 9th. VI. OLD BUSINESS - None VII. NEW BUSINESS - None VIII. ADJOURNMENT Gonyea moved to adjourn the meeting at 8:35 p.m. Schwartz seconded the motion. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary