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Parks and Recreation - 01/18/1982 i 1982 JANUARY 18 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JANUARY 18, 1982 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Dick Anderson, chairperson; Austin Boulay, Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Marty Jessen, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF DECEMBER 21, 1981 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS none V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners - none B. Reports of Staff 7:35 1. Swim-A-Cross - Red Cross Request 7:40 2. Community Center Grand Opening 7 :45 3. Council Report - January 5, 1982 VI. OLD BUSINESS 7:50 A. Neighborhood Park Shelter Program Design rtc-view 8:05 B. Staring Lake Park Shelter Schematic Design Approval 8:20 C. Red Rock Lake Park/Public Access Discussion VII. NEW BUSINESS 9:00 A. Tax Forfeited Lands 9:05 B. Commission Goals 9: 15 VIII. ADJOURNMENT I APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JANUARY 18, 1982 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Dick Anderson, chairperson; Austin Boulay, Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Marty Jessen, Jerry Kingrey (late, 7:40 p.m.) , Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Steve Calhoun , Park Planner OTHERS PRESENT: Mark Weber, Eden Prairie News Several residents of Eden Prairie Red Rock Lake area. I . ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Chairperson, Richard Anderson. II . APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Breitenstein moved to approve the agenda as published. Boulay seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. III . MINUTES OF DECEMBER 21 , 1981 MOTION: Jessen moved to approve the minutes as published. Boulay seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORT$ A. Reports of Commissioners - none B. Reports of Staff 1 . Swim-A-Cross - Red Cross Request MOTION: Jessen moved to recommend to the Council approval and support of the March 20, 1982 Swim-A-Cross event. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. 2. Community Center Grant Opening Lambert said Staff is suggesting either February 21 or 28, 1982 for the grand opening of the Community Center. Staff feels it is important the building is done and looking good before this event takes place. i Minutes - Parks, Recreation approved and Natural Resources Commission -2- January 18, 1982 3. Council Report - January 5, 1982 Lambert reported the following: - first reading of the snowmobile ordinance was approved as this Commission recommended. - March 16, 1982 was set as date for offsale liquor referendum. - Approve handicapp fees for Community Center. - Approved Golden Strip - Approved Woodlawn Heights VI . OLD BUSINESS A. Neighborhood Park Shelter Program Design Review Lambert referred to Staff Memo of January 14, 1982 wherein reference is made to members of the City Council questionning the need for a $40,000 warming house at neighborhood parks and requested information on the difference between a $10,000, $20,000 and a $40,000 structure. Dick Schwartz was present to explain the differences in structures. Structure #1 : $10,000 320 sq. ft. (specifications - see memo) Structure #2: $20,000 760 sq. ft. " Structure #3: $40,000 560 sq. ft. (includes bathroom facilities) Mr. Schwartz (architect) suggested possible changes that could be made to existing park shelters to improve their appearance: 1) change organization of windows and doors + 2) add more distinctive roof forms (perhaps bring roof lines down) 3) use horizontal cedar siding instead of vertical plywood 4) use horizontal trim features 5) bring roof form away from the building 6) add exterior fence or retaining wall 7) more extensive landscaping 8) more carefully selected exterior colors. Kingrey expressed positive feelings toward changes in present structures as suggested by Schwartz (above) . He felt some thought should be given, however, to not making the roofs, etc. , too easy for kids to climb up onto. Kingrey further said he is more in favor of the $10,000 - $20,000 option for new shelters. r Minutes - Parks, Recreation approved and Natural Resources Commission -3- January 18, 1982 �J Jessen asked Staff if there weren't 1 or 2 park shelters scheduled to be built this year? Lambert said yes , but now the Council is considering not building for a few years because there will be no new staff hired to maintain any new structures. Lambert said he feels the City should not build any more "garage- type shelters, but plan a facility which meets the City's program and can be added on to in the future. Jessen said he also is in favor of the middle price range option, and that footings for expansion be put in at the time of initial construction, but not a concrete slab. MOTION: Jessen moved to recommend to the Council approval of Option #2 for neighborhood park shelters including frost footings and other specifications listed in Staff Memo of January 14, 1982. Friederichs seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. B. Staring Lake Park Shelter Schematic Design Approval Architect Dick Schwartz reviewed the proposed park shelter per Memo of January 14, 1982. The shelter includes 980 s.f. of enclosed, heated space, with 1 ,024 s.f. of sheltered area. The expected cost of the shelter is approximately $60,000. Schwartz added that the exterior is proposed to be heavy cedar siding, post and beam structure, aluminum windows and concrete floor with skate tile as a deduct alternate for the floor. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend to the Council approval of the Staring Lake Park shelter as presented by the architect and per Staff Memo of January 14, 1982, and to proceed with plans and specifications. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. C. Red Rock Lake Park/Public Access Discussion Lambert referred to Staff Memo of January 12, 1982, wherein Staff has identified three (3) potential park/lake access sites on this lake: Site #1 in the southwest corner of the lake (approximately 4 acres) , Site #2 in the southeast corner of the lake (approximately 4 acres) , and Site #3 along the north shore of the lake (approximately 61 acres) . The City feels that the people who live on and around the lake would have a better feel than anyone for what might happen in terms of a park location on Red Rock Lake. Residents were notified of this meeting and those present are invited to voice their comments. Lambert explained the implications of public access. Staff sees allowing 5-6 car/trailor parking spaces at the park--this would intentionally limit the boats to a few. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -4- January 18, 1982 Resident Bob Gartner, Cedar Ridge Road, asked why the City is not pur- suing a plan of only allowing canoe access at the north end of the lake and taking a poll among residents to see if they would be willing to give up their power boats? Also, is the City choosing a public access location to satisfy the developer of Red Rock Ranch or the population in general? Also, shouldn't the access to this park be better than that at Staring Lake Park? In answer to these questions Lambert responded: It would be a good idea to send out a questionnaire to residents asking how they feel about use of power boats on the lake. (The Commission agreed to this suggestion and Staff will proceed.) Lambert said a park location is considered because of the City's needs, not the needs of a developer. Lambert agreed that access to Staring Lake Park is not adequate but , the access to Starinq Lake is a DNR owned and maintained access. Mr. LaBrant, Cedar Ridge Road, expressed opposition to Site #2 (southeast corner of the lake) . He feels the lake is not good for swimming and a picnic area would only provide young people a place to drink. He said the residents have maintained a swimming beach near Site #2 for 25 years and a park at that location would not be popular with these residents. In reviewing all the park sites, park planner Steve Calhoun pointed out the pros and cons of each site. He said it is difficult to get a good picture of the lake depths and shoreline conditions while the ice is in, but Staff did check the shoreline of site #1 this fall and it does have a good sand base. Larry Moos, Red Oak Drive, asked if the City is certain the DNR will stock and maintain Red Rock Lake for fishing? Lambert said the DNR has indicated a commitment for stocking of the lake if public access and aeration is provided. Bob Craditz, Cedar Ridge Road, feels Red Rock Lake is a quiet, pristine, lake, and feels a public park would be disruptive. Lambert agreed that Red Rock Lake is very desireable, but does not feel that a 4 acre park would be disruptive. He said that fishing studies have shown success with lakes that are aerated from September 1 through November, so the lake may not be open all winter long. Cross country skiing and skatinq could continue as normal . Floyd Hagen, Cedar Ridge Road, said the lake is very fertile and water clarity is only 1-2 feet in many parts. He feels it is not a motor boat lake because of all the weeds. Virginia Gartner, Cedar Ridge Road, said with public access she would like to see motor boats banned. Anderson said if the residents don't want motor boats, this is the time to make that known. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -5- January 18, 1982 Dick Putnam, planner for the developer of Red Rock Ranch (Robert Mason) , reviewed ideas the developer is proposing for his property. The developer would like to know where the park is planned so he can proceed with the planning phase of his project in 1982, and development in 1983• Jessen said that it appears from tonight's discussion Site #1 is the preferred choice, or Site #3 which may have problems of lake access and shoreline stability. Jessen said he concurs with consideration of Site #1 or Site #3• Gartner, Cedar Ridge Road, asked if the City could look at the water level in terms of a possible future City water way system as discussed at some point. Lambert said he would check with the Watershed District but he doubts if a City water way system is viable any more. Lambert said this item will come back on the agenda in one month. Staff will take a survey of boat useage, get more information on shoreline conditions of Site #1 and #3, and check with the DNR on what their standards of upkeep and maintenance of lakes involved in stocking programs. VII . NEW BUSINESS A. Tax Forfeited Lands Lambert referred to Staff Memo of January 11 , 1982, wherein Staff is recommending acquisition of four of the five parcels listed in the Edengate Development area. MOTION: Jessen moved to recommend to the Council support of Staff recommendations, and would ask clarification on the one parcel which is recommended for resale, or turning back. Schwartz seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. B. Commission Goals Lambert said this is an information item. He asks Commission members to come back at the next meeting with any other goal considerations. Vill . ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Breitenstein moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:40 p.m. Schwartz seconded the motion. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz / Recording Secretary C_ l AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, FEBRUARY 1, 1982 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL CO]1%4MISSION MEMBERS: Dick Anderson, Chairperson; Austin Boulay, Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Marty' Jessen, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz CON24ISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF JANUARY 18, 1982 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners - none B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals 7:35 a. Franlo Road Condominiums 7.50 b. CNR Golden Strip - Replat 8.05 2. Council Report - January 19, 1982 VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Commission Goals VII. NEW BUSINESS 8:20 A. Park Sign Design Approval 8:35 B. Cancel Meeting of February 15. 1982 8:40 VIII. ADJOURNMENT