Parks and Recreation - 12/15/1980 1980
DECEMBER 1 , 15
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CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
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AGENDA
�. EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION �I
MONDAY, DECEMBER 1, 1980 7:30 P.M. , COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; Pat Breitenstein,
Marge Friederichs, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond,
Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community
Services
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Begin Item
7:30 I. ROLL CALL
-c II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
7:35 III. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 3, 1980
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
7:40 A. Sherwood Townhouses Association Request
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
�. A. Reports of Commissioners
None
B. Reports of Staff
7:45 1. Development Proposals - Edengate Single Family
(continued from November 3, 1980)
2. For Your Information
a. EPAA Request
b. Council Minutes - Lake Riley & Red Rock Park
c. Request from the School Board and Ice Arena
Building Fund Committee
8:00 3. Council Report 11/4/80 and 11/18/80
VI. OLD BUSINESS
8:05 A. Park Use Ordinance
8:20 B. Round Lake Park Shelter
VII. NEW BUSINESS
8:40 A. MRPA Board and Commission Member Award
8:45 VIII. ADJOURNMENT
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EDFN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES C0101ISSION
f4ONDAY, DECEMBER 1 , 1980 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL
COAhISSION MDti4BERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; Pat Breitenstein,
Marge Friederichs, Dr. George Tangen, Larry Van.Meter
ComiviISSION KU-11BERS ABSENT: Gloria, Pond, Robert Johnson
COi,11MISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services
OTHERS PRESENT: Ernie Olin, Eden Prairie News
Jaius Nelson, Bruoe Knutson Architects
I. ROLL CALL
Chairperson Richard Anderson called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Additions: V.A. 1. Postal Fees and Transportation — Anderson
VII.B. Minnesota. River Valley — Anderson
MOTION: Tangen moved to approve the Agenda, as published with the additions.
Breitenstein seconded the motion and the motion carried with Vanlvleter
abstaining.
C III. MINU:LTES OF NO M-1DER 3, 1980
MOTION: Friederichs moved to approve the Minutes of November 3, 1980,
as published. Breitenstein seconded the motion and the motion carried
with VanAeter abstaining.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND C014VJUNICATIONS
A. Sherwood Townhouses Association Request
Lambert reoorted that the Association is requesting removal of the play
structures in the Windsor Development tot lot, Prairie East 8th Addition.
Iie said their request is based on not enough children in the development
using; the play area, and the tot lot was built into a drainage Swale so
it is always wet and messy.
idOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Coanoil approval to remove
the tot lot structure as requested by the Sherwood Townhouse Association.
Vani.ieter seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
DISCUSSION: Anderson pointed out that there has been a difference in
opinion among this Commission, the Council, and Staff on the value of
mini parks (tot lots). lie said in most communities it has been shown
they don't work out.
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V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners
1. Postage Fees and Transportation
Anderson reported receiving a postage due from the Hopkins Post
Office of $2.41 for Commission Meeting packet that arrived late.
It took two round trips to the post office before they located
the packet. Anderson said he will bill the City for cost of postage
and mileage ($.18/mile).
B. Reports of Staff
1. Development Proposals - Edengate Single Family (continued from
November 3, 19 0
Jaius Nelson, representing the developer, was present to answer
questions regarding this development.
Tangen asked if there is access from Edengate to the future park
to the north? Lambert said at least a 201 easement should be connected
-to allow access to the park.
Anderson said access should also be provided to the Purgatory
Creek corridor at the south end of the site. Nelson pointed out
that a road will go in at this southeast corner.
Nelson said if a. cul=de-sac occurs at the northwest corner of the
site as recommended by the Planning Commission, then the cul-de-sac
presently shown in Block 1 will become a continuous road.
Breitenstein said that the point where Dell Road ends should be
barricaded or better marked to prevent cars from continuing off the
end of the road.
Anderson inquired as to a pedestrian crossing of the Creek, and Nelson
said an underpass under the road will provide a pedestrian crossing.
!MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend to the Council approval
of Edengate Single Family Development per Planning Staff Report and
this Commission recommends a through connection to the northwest
to allow access to the future park north of the site. Tangen
seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
2. For Your Information
a.. EPAA Request
MOTION: Tangen mtoved to recommend approval of the requests from
( the Athletic Association. Friederiehe seconded the motion and it
carried unanimously.
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b. Council Minutes - Lake Riley & Red Rock Park
Anderson asked how the City stands now on Lake Riley. Lambert
said the Comprehensive Guide Plan shows a 40 50 acre community
park on the west shore. The City now- owns 9 acres so it would
mean purchasing 30-40 more acres at some point in the future.
c. Request from the School Board and Ice Arena Building Fund Committee
Lambert referred to Staff Memo of November 14, 1980, outlining the
resolution passed by the School Board supporting the addition of a
utility/looker room to the Community Center. The Hockey Association
will coramit•$17,500 toward the cost of the room, and the School
will pay for the remainder.
Lambert also informed Commission members that Suburban National I
Bank will donate one half the cost of a Zamboni for the ice arena.
First State Bank expressed interest in donating $8,000 for a score
board with the right to advertise on the board. The Council is
placing some size limitation to the advertisement, however.
3. Council Reports:
November 4, 1980 meeting
- Reviewed Park Use Ordinance. Council felt the ordinance was too
restrictive and alluded to problems that do not yet exist. Council
requested revisions accordingly.
- Reviewed plans for Community Center expansion of ice arena and
hockey team room.
- Approved Round Lake Park Shelter
- Approved signs identifying lakes in Eden Prairie
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- City Administrator reported on expanded City Hall site.
November 18, 1980 Meeting
- Approved request of Athletic Association to move th.c building that
is presently used as the concession stand at Round Lake Park, to
Flying Cloud Field.
- Approved hockey room in Community Center. 1
VI. OLD .BUSINESS
A. Park Use Ordinance
Lambert referred to the scaled-{sown version of the Park Use Ordinance
which reflects the Councils requests.
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Commission members discussed the Ordinance and cited the following
recommendations:
Section 4(g) — Eliminate restriction of pets on cross country ski trails.
(Tangen)
Section 4(h) — Change to read as follows: "Operate any motor vehicle,
except on streets, roadways or parking areas. Recreational motor vehicles
may be operated on areas designated by the Director;" (Tangen)
Section 4(4 — ^,ha.nge first phrase as follows: "Launch any trailored
watercraft... .etc..." (Anderson)
Section 4(o) — Change the opening sentence as follows: "Ride or permit a
horse under such person's control on or in any park, public beach,...etc."
(Tangen)
MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend that the Park Use Ordinance be forwarded
to the Council and recommend adoption with the changes to Section 4 (g),
(h), (k) , (0). Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
B. Round Lake Park Shelter
Lambert reported that the Council approved proceeding with plans and
specifications on the shelter.
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Anderson asked if the building will be open to the public? Lambert said
yes it will be used as a public warming house in winter months and can
be reserved for group use as well.
Lambert suggested that this Commission take a closer look at groups outside
the community reserving City buildings. Reservations seem to be made so
far in advance that people living in the community are often unable to
reserve facilities.
Anderson requested that Lainbe:t put this item on the agenda for the
next meeting.
VII. IT�a BUSINESS
A. Minnesota River Valley
Anderson requested the current status of this project.
Lambert said he is scheduled to meet with John Tietz, Planner from the
U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service, on December 10, 1980. Lambert will
request a sunutiary of the plan to present to the Commission. Two
public planning workshops are scheduled: December 17, 1980 in Bloomington,
;and December 18, 1980 in Shakopee.
Anderson said Mrs. Seal of the Preservation of the Bluffs Committee,
contacted him with regard to two permits Bloomington has granted for
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building on the bluff bank--one to Control Data and the other to
Northwest Airlines. She is asking for this Commission's help in
taking a stand on the preservation of these bluff areas.
Lambert said he also has discussed this with Mrs. Seal and will try
to get more information at the December 10th meeting regarding this
matter.
Anderson said Eden Prairie hasn't permitted building to go beneath
the bluff line. 'Lambert said the City hasn't taken a formal stand
on this issue in terms of an ordinance or resolution, but on
individual issues it has been consistent in not permitting building
below the bluff line.
B. MRPA Board and Commission Member Award
Lambert offered congratuaiations to Dick Anderson on this award.
Anderson said he feels many fine Commission people, past and present,
helped him achieve this award, and among those people are Les and Fran
Blacklock, Bill Garer_s, Mary Erickson, Jerry Kingrey, Jerry W igen and
many dedicated Staff people as well. Anderson said he shares this
recognition with the Conunission.
VIII. ADJOMTNIENT
Tangen moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:15 p.m. Breitenstein seconded the
motion.
Respectfully submitted,
Carrie Tietz
Recording Secretary
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, DECEMBER 15, 1980 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson, Pat Breitenstein,
Marge Friederichs, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond,
Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services
Approx. Time
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Begin Items
7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES OF DECEMBER 1, 1980
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
7:40 A. Petition from Residents of Southwest Eden Prairie
7:45 B. Request by EPAA
8:00 C. Request for Lights in Underpass
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners
None
B. Reports of Staff
1. Develo ment Pro osals
8:05 a. airway oo s mendment
8:30 b. enva a partments
8:50 2. Report on Minnesota Valley National Wildlife Refuge
9:00 3. Update on Round Lake Park Shelter
9:05 4. Council Report 12/2/80
VI. OLD BUSINES
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VII . NEW BUSINESS
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9:15 A. Policy on Park Facility Reservations
9:45 VIII. ADJOURNMENT
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL, RESOURCES COIUIISSION
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MONDAY, DECEMBER 15, 1980 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson, Pat Breitenstein,
Robert Johnson, Dr. George Tangen
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Marge Friederiohs, Gloria Pond, Larry VanMeter
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COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services
OTHERS PRESENT: Ernie Olin, Eden Prairie News
Representatives from the E. P. A. A.
I. ROLL CALL
Richard Anderson, Chairperson, called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m.
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II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Johnson moved and Tangen seconded a motion to approve the Agenda
as published. The motion carried unanimously.
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III. MINUTES OF DECEMBER 1, 1980
MOTION: Tangen moved and Anderson seconded a motion to approve the Minutes
of December 1 , 1980 as published. The motion carried unanimously.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COM14MICATIONS •,'
A. Petition from Residents of Southwest Eden Prairie
Lambert referred to the petition signed by 93 southwest Eden Prairie
residents requesting a bike trail adjacent to County Road 1 from
County Road 4 to Crestwood Drive.
MOTION: Tangen moved to table this item to the next meeting. Johnson J
seoonded the motion and it carried unanimously.
B. Request by E.P.A.A.
Ed Stevenson of the E.P.A.A. gave a presentation requesting additional
services from Community Services.
Mr. Stevenson pointed out that among the problems with the E.P.A.A. now,
there is too small a group of people organizing and administering the
programs, there is a lack of volunteers, and there is an increased number
of youths anticipated to participate in the programs in the near future
which will require a different type of organization (breakdown into
separate associations for each sport).
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different sport and that each have their own Board of Directors, operate
in aocordance with their own by-laws (General policies and philosophies
will be the same as the present E.P.A.A.19), each association will
communicate directly with the Community Services Department and be
self supporting.
Lambert said the City cannot presently provide the services requested
the E.P.A.A. and the following adjustments would have to be made:
1) make the present half time athletic coordinator position a
full time position,
2) house the athletic coordinator in the new Community Center
(second floor office space); and
3) hire a full time seoretary/receptionist for Community Center
that would do typing for E.P.A.A. athletic coordinator.
Lambert added that the City Manager, Ulstad, has already given approval
for Staff to hire someone providing this Commission approves, and Lambert
feels it is essential to have the support from this Commission.
Lambert said he hopes the present E.P.A.A. philosophy (learning and 4
C teaching sports and sportsmanship as a team effort and not only to win) '
will continue through the years and good communioation can help this.
Jerry Kingrey added that if there is good communication between
Community Services Staff and E.P.A.A. you can see when undesireable
philosophies start to come through and head them off early enough.
MOTION: Tangen moved to approve the E.P.A.A. request to hire a full
time Athletic Coordinator. Anderson seconded the motion and it carried
unanimously.
Anderson, on behalf of this Commission and residents of Eden Prairie,
thanked the men from the E.P.A.A. for all their hard work and devotion
of time and talent in running the Assooiation.
C. R_equeat for Lights in Underpass
MOTION: Johnson moved to approve installation of a tunnel under
Anderson Lakes Parkway per Staff recommendation. Breitenstein seconded
the motion and it carried unanimously.
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners
None
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B. Regorts of Staff
1. Development Proposals
a. Fairway Woods Amendment
Larry Laukka was present to give a brief presentation of the
project.
Laukka located the project in Edenvale, South of Valley View
Rd. and West of Mitchell Road. In 1974 the project, under a
different developer, went into default. Laukka acquired the land
in 1977 and reduced the size and massing of the buildings from
the original project proposal. He said the site needs about 90,000
yards of fill due to how the sewer was originally put in. Extra
services will include completing a swimming pool which is already
in, and putting 2 tennis courts in.
Anderson asked where the buildings are in relation to the flood-
plain. Lambert said the original plan was approved in 1972 before
the Floodplain Ordinance and Purgatory Creek Plans were adopted
so- some of the buildings do lie within the floodplain.
Lambert added that personally he would like to see the project move
out of the conservancy area, but this case is different because of
the original plan approval in 1972. He added that the Planning
Commission unanimously approved this proposal.
140TION: Breitenstein moved to approve Fairway Wood Amendment
per Staff recommendation. Johnson seoonded the motion and it
carried unanimously.
b. Edenvale Apartments
James Cooperman, architect representing Bar-Ett Construction Co.,
was present to discuss the proposal. The proponent is requesting
rezoning from 23.7 acres to 17.4 aores. They are proposing a
174 unit, 3 story apartment building with underground garage.
The exterior will be 90% brick veneer and rough sawn cedar.
Cooperman stated that the site presently contains very little
vegetation so they plan to reinforce the site with various land-
soaping to include large deciduous trees for wind protection.
Lambert noted to Cooperman that Eden Prairie owns 15 acres of open
space to the northwest of this site (Edenvale East) that will
require fill to develop. He said this plan does not generate any
fill and this fact should be considered.
t Anderson suggested that a trail easement should be acquired now
so there is future access to the park to the northwest. Anderson
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added that with the increased density this development will create
along Mitchell Road, a trailway system along Mitchell should be
considered.
Lambert said Staff is proposing a trail at Mitchell Road and if the
'Commission approves, this will go into the developer's agreement.
MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend approvel of Edenvale
Apartments to include a trail development along Mitchell Road and a
trail easement north to the City park. Tangen seconded the motion
and it carried unanimously. s
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DISCUSSION: Anderson asked if this is an appropriate time to
recommend extending a trail all along Mitchell Rd. north to 5 or
further to Starring Lake. Lambert said he prefers to wait until i
January when this Commission goes over a summary of activity for
1980 and compares this to the goals set and then arrange priorities
far future trail development.
A 5 minutes recess was taken at this time.
2. Report on Minnesota Valley National Wildlife Refuge
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Lambert gave a brief summary of his meeting with U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service planner, John Tietz. Lambert said his only concern with the
proposed plan is that there should be an equestrian and snowmobile
connection north from the Valley. Tietz suggested the City make a
written request to that effect.
MOTION: Tangen recommended a resolution per Staff report regarding
equestrian and snowmobile access to Minnesota Valley Wildlife Refuge.
Johnson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
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3• Update on Round Lake Park Shelter
For information only.
4• Council Report 12/2/80
MOTION: Tangen moved to table remaining items on the agenda to the
next meeting. Johnson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
Tangen said goodbye to Commission member and said as a member of the Council
he will listen to the recommendations of this Commission.
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VIII. ADJOURNMENT
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Johnson moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:00 p.m.
t Respectfully submitted,
Carrie Tietz
Recording secretary