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Parks and Recreation - 11/03/1980 1980 NOVEMBER 3 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE 1 AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1980 7:30 P.M., COUNCIL CHAMBERS COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, chairperson; Pat Breintenstein, Marge Friederichs, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL I II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20, 1980 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 7:40 1. Development Proposals - Edengate Single Family 8:00 2. Winter Skating Report - Sandy Werts 8:10 3. Winter Outings Brochure - Sandy Werts 8:15 4. Cross Country Ski Trails 1 8:20 5. Council Report October 21, 1980 VI. OLD BUSINESS 8:25 A. Architect Report on Community Center Additions 8:35 B. Architect Report on Round Lake Park Shelter VII. NEW BUSINESS 9:00 VIII. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1980 7:30 P.M. , COUNCIL CHAMBERS COMMISSION Vni4BERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Robert Johnson, Dr. George Tangen COi'U4ISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Gloria Pond, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Cocmnunity Services OTHERS PRESENT: Sandy Werts Ja.ius Nelson - Knutson Company Architects Ernie Olin, Eden Prairie News I. ROLL CALL Chairperson Richard Anderson called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Johnson mentioned, but it was not added to the agenda, the unsatisfactory mowing along the north side of Highway 5 from the Industrial Park to the intersection of Highway 5 and Mitchell Road. i r i Added: VII.A. Commission packets - Anderson MOTION: Breitenstein moved to approve the Agenda as published with the change. Friederichs seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20, 198U 140TION: Breitenstein moved to approve the Minutes of October 20, 1980, as published. Tangen seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. RECO14MENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Pr000sal - Edengate Single Family Jaius Nelson was present representing Knutson Arohiteots. He described the project as 83 Lingle family units on a 120 acre site. 80 acres of the site will be land dedication. 1 r _ ii Minutes Parks, Recre ation & approved November 39 1980 I Natural Resources Commission -2- Nelson said the Planning Commission has requested road access on to Dell Road from the east, and, not to allow Harrogate Drive to extend through to the west (put a cul-de-sac in). Anderson asked if any of the proposed lots on Block 3 are in the floodplain and Nelson replied no. Lambert said there are 9 lots on the south side of the site within the conservancy area. He said, however, that Staff can rationalize the lots in the conservancy area because of the 80 acre park dedi- cation and the low density type of development being proposed. Anderson asked if any of the dedicated park land on this site is buildable property. Lambert replied possibly some of the high areas could be picnic area, and/or ballfields, but about 901110 will be left as wildlife sanctuary. Tangen asked if there is a park planned along Duck Lake Trail per the Guideplan. Lambert said there is a neighborhood park planned just north of this site. In light of that, said Tangen, perhaps Harrogate Drive should go through to provide access to the park from this site (or at least pedestrian access if not car access). MOTION: Tangen moved to table the Edengate Development Proposal to the next meeting so Commission members have adequate opportunity to review the proposal. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. 2. Winter Skating Report - Sandy Warts Sandy referred to her memo of October 29, 1980, summarizing the skating program for this year. She said the program will be almost the same as last year with salaries for warming house attendants the same as last year, $3.50 - $5.00/hour. She said it is still a problem finding reliable warming house attendants. The cold weather policy will he the rinks will close when the there is a. -350 wind chill or colder. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend approval of the Winter Skating Program. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried with Anderson abstaining. 3. Winter Outings Brochure - Sandy Warts Sandy reviewed her memo of October 29, 1980, pointing out that the winter brochure will be sent to all residents in early December. 4. Cross Country Ski Trails_ ( Lambert referred to his memo of October 29, 1980, regarding ski trails. He pointed out that for the past two winters trails have been groomed at Dryant Lake Park and on Edenvale Golf Course. r Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved November 3, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -3- Lambert said because of the transfer of Bryant Lake Park to Hennepin County on January 1 , 1981 , the City does not plan to maintain any ski trails in that park this winter. Anderson asked if that meant there is no skiing permitted at Bryant Lake Park this year. Lambert said he doesn't see a problem if people want to ski there, however, if there are problems that arise the County will undoubtedly post rangers to police the park. He further said Bryant Lake Park and Anderson Lakes Park will be managed by the same person who manages Hyland Park. 5. Council Report, October 21 , 1980 Items acted upon by the Council are as follows: 1) passed Lake Riley Estates, 3-1 vote 2) Round Lake irrigation continued to Fall 1981 3) Park Use Ordinance continued to November 4 and requested comments 4) Community Ed Advisor, Mick Anderson, was requested to come to the Council in January with his request of representation on Advisory Council 5) Grill House - passed. $3,200 for new roof 6) Passed resolution on Historical Commission 71 Approved Lambert and Redpath to go to Moores for option on property 8) Advertising in Commu._r'ity Center will be handled on an item by item basis 9) BVIX Trail - Council said if a broader base of interest becomes evident they will consider the trail. Anderson said he doesn't feel the Council gave proper time to Lake Riley in terms of a park. He asked Tangen how he feels this issue stands with the Council. Tangen said he feels this issue is dead with the present Council, and Ikerhaps after the first of January the new Council could be approached on the issue. Anderson asked why Kiley Lake is shown as a regional park site on the Guideplan. Lambert said, in talking with Marty Jessen at the Metro Parks Commission, the first choice of a park in this area is Lake Waconia, but beoause that doesn't look feasible Lake Riley was considered -the next best site. Pdinutes - Parks, Recreation & approved November 3, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -4- VI. OLD BUSINIESS A. Architect Report on Community Center Additions Lambert referred to his memo of October 29, 1980, where the Council has requested cost figures on two additional expansion items for the Community Center. First , a hockey team locker room with showers and toilet facilities, and the seeond, an outdoor hockey rink with concrete floor and refrigeration system. The Architect received cost estimates on the hockey team locker rooms of $49,420, and the additional rink at $261,785. Staff recommends riot going any further than the cost estimates on these items unless the Hockey Association can come up with the money. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council per Staff recommendations on both the hockey locker room and the multi-use oourt/iee rink. Johnson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. B. Architect Report on Round Lake Park Shelter Lambert reviewed his memo of October 31 , 1980, and the architeotts drawings for a proposed park shelter. Originally the .Bond Referendum Committee discussed approximately $150,000 for the cost of this facility, and. after seeing the site the architect recommends the facility design be consistent with the pyramidal structure that is located there now, and the estimate came in at $238,681 .50. Staff feels there are three options to consider: 1) have the architect look for different exterior materials which would lower the cost; 2) postpone the adjoining outdoor shelter for a few years to out the initial costs; and 3) start over with a. new design with $150,000 as the budget. Lambert said part of the high proposed cost of the structure is in making it a. very solid building because of the type of use and being a multi- purpose building requiring a heating system, etc. Anderson questionned whether the City needs this extravagant of a building in this location with the Community Center so close by. He said he can understand the heavy summer use of this building, but in the winter it would be only a warming house and perhaps this is too costly for the use projected. Friederichs asked where additional funds would come from for this facility, and Lambert suggest Cash Park Fees as a possible source. Anderson asked for coat breakdowns before this Commission takes any action. As this is the first time the Co,runission has seen -this j plan he feels unable to go further with it at this meeting. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & .approved November 3, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -5- MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend tabling the Round Lake Park Shelter for further study, plans, costs and other materials, plus alternatives that the Council recommends. Friederichs seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. VII. NM-1 BUSINESS A. Commission Packets Anderson complained that the packets have not arrived on time twice in two months. He said this poses a considerable problem because everyone is on a tight schedule and when the packets are late they cannot adequately prepare for the upcoming meeting. Lambert said he will bring up the issue at the Staff meeting on Wednesday and report back to the Coirwiission. He said at this time he is unaware of what the problem was. VIII. ADJOURNMENT Breitenstein moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:10 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary i