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Parks and Recreation - 08/27/1980 1980 AUGUST 4 , 18 , 27 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE r - AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, AUGUST 4, 1980 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; Pat Breintenstein, Marge Friederichs, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION STAFF Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 7:35 III. MINUTES OF JUNE 16, 1980 MINUTES OF JULY 7, 1980 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 1. Snowmobile Trails - Earl Sickmann V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals 7:40 a. Deer Creek 8:00 b. Thorn Creek 8:30 c. Bryant Lake Center/Lake Ridge Office Park 9:00 2. Growth $ Expansion of Eden Prairie 1975-79 (information item 9:05 3. Red Rock Park , Update VI. OLD BUSINESS 9:15 A. Hidden Ponds Park Plan 9:45 B. Round Lake Irrigation -Request Authorization to Advertise for Bids / 9:S5 C. Shoreland Management Ordinance 10:00 D. Pro's and Con's of Riley Lake as a Regional Park or Community Park Parks, Recreation and -2 August 4, 1980 Natural Resources Commission ` 10:15 E. Trails Map VII. NEW BUSINESS 10:20 A. 1981 Budget 10:40 B. Historic Parks 11:00 C. Anderson Lakes Parkway Pedestrian/Bike Trail 11:15 VIII. ADJOURNME14T NOTICE: Playground in Review Flyer i C APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, AUGUST 4, 1980 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Robert j Johnson, Gloria Pond, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter j COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Earl Sickmann a Dave Johnson - Eden Prairie Snowmobile Club John Uban - Howard Dahlgren Assoc. BilL Dolan - TGC Development Dick Putnam - Hustad Development Mary Remole - Eden Prairie News i I. ROLL CALL 1 The meeting was called to order at 7:30 P.M. , by Vice-Chairperson, George Tangen. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Add - VI.F. Council Report VII.D. Development Proposal Checklist - Tangen MOTION: VanMeter moved and Breitenstein seconded the motion to approve the Agenda as published with the additions. The motion carried unanimously. Tangen welcomed Marge Friederiohs to her first meeting as a member of this Commission. III. MINUTES OF JUNE 16, 1980 i MOTION: Breitenstein moved and Pond seconded the motion to approve the Minutes of June 16, 1980 as published. Motion carried unanimously. 1 MINUTES OF JULY 7, 1980 MOTION: Pond moved and Johnson seconded the motion to approve the Minutes of July 7, 1980 as published. Motion carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 1. Snowmobile Trails - Earl Sickmann Lambert explained that the Snowmobile Club obtains money from the State to maintain their trails, but the Club members must get permission for their trails from the landowners. Staff requests that the Club come j before this Commission annually to explain the trail system proposed for the coming season. Dave Johnson will represent the Snowmobile Club at this meating. a i Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved August 4, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -2- i Mr. Johnson reviewed the trails planned for the 1980-81 season. He showed the trails on a map, pointing out that there were approximately 30 miles of trails last year and this year there are only 20 miles of trail. This Club is working with the Chanhassen Club on tying in with their trail system at the north side of Rioe Marsh Lake. Lambert commended the Snowmobile Club on how their participants conduct themselves and on how promptly the Club responds to complaints referred to them by Staff. MOTION Breitenstein moved to approve the trail proposed by the Snowmobile Club for the 1980-1981 season. Pond seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. DISCUSSION: Tangen also commended the Snowmobile Club for the lack of problems with snowmobiles in the City. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff C- 1. Development Proposals a. Deer Creek Lambert introduced Bill Dolan representing the developer for this project. Mr. Dolan located this 80 acre project east of Mitchell Road, north of Centex Ridgewood West and south of Burning Tree Apartments. He pointed out that the plan he is presenting at this meeting reflect changes requested by the Planning Commission (the Planning Commission approved this proposal at their last meeting). Lambert said that the concerns this Commission should look at regarding this proposal are: (1) transportation (the proposed 51 sidewalk), (2) the two open space areas which are homeowner owned; and (3) PUD concept - according to the Purgatory Creek Study there should be a trail system running north to south along the Creek. VanDleter asked if the rows of pine trees near the proposed mini park and -the lower park will be preserved. Mr. Dolan said yes. Tangen asked how extensive the alteration of terrain would be in terms of grading. Lambert said that with a development of this kind almost the entire site is graded, but he feels there is no significant hills or vegetation on this site that would not eventually be expected to change. ti Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved August 4, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -3- i MOTION: Vanlvleter moved to recommend approval of the Deer Creek proposal per Staff recommendations. Johnson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. DISCUSSION: Tangen confirmed with Staff that when additional phases of this development are up for rezoning that they will come before this Commission. b. Thorn Creek John Uban was present representing the Minneapolis Retail Meat Cutters and Food Handlers Health and Welfare Fund as developers of this 60+ acre project. Uban explained that an institution such as the Meat Cutters Pension Fund is interested in long term results, therefore can take their time in producing a quality project with good design criteria. Uban located the project east and adjacent to Valley View Road, and south of rdiohaelangelo Gardens. The property is wooded and rolling and the structures have been designed to mold with the terrain (i.e. terracing the structures). Uban said the structures planned include a major sport facility (raquetball/tennis, soft surface running trail), office complexes including a parking ramp, and combination offioe/oondominium structures. Uban said cash will be paid in lieu of park dedication as recommended by the Eden Prairie Planning Commission. He added that the developer does not plan to put a road through the flood- plain due to sanitary sewer lines, eto. At this point Uban invited questions and comments from the Commission and Staff. Lambert said he communicated with the City of Edina regarding a trail connection east from the Endblom property and they said nothing would be considered. In lieu of this, Lambert asked the Commission to consider just a trail easement, as a trail may not be feasible due to connections and terrain. Tangen asked if there is a trail easement north through Michaelangelo Gardens, and if so could it be a possible connection. Lambert said yes, there is an easement north. Tangen said he feels there is merit to a trail system in this area, and that a provision should be made through the Nine Mile Creek corridor which would connect into the Valley View Road system. He further said this site does not lend itself to park land dedication but it does to trail easement and wetland dedication. Tangen asked if the height of the hill near the Endblom property will be altered. Uban said minimally, approximately 15 feet, and the structures will be below the tree line in height at that point. i Minutes — Parks, Recreation & approved August 4, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -4— MOTION: VanMeter moved to recommend approval of the Thorn Creek development and request a trail easement where it is best suited and also that the City maintain a cash park fee. Freideriohs seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. DISCUSSION: Tangen commended the developer on planning a parking ramp rather than flat parking lots. o. BrYant Lake CenterAake Ridge Office Park This item will be continued to later in the meeting as Mr. Putnam called and could not be present by the suggested 8:30 agenda time. 2. Growth & Expansion of Eden Prairie 1975 79 Lambert submitted this item to the Commission as an information item only. 3. Red Rock Park_— Update Lambert referred to Staff Memo of July 23, 1980, explaining that the owner of the 14 aore parcel under consideration for a Red Rock Neighborhood. Park, Virgil Seifert, is not interested in selling. Staff feels they have a commitment to the people around Red Rook Lake for a park, and after Staff and the City Attorney being unsuo— cessful in dealing with Mr. Seifert, Staff feels the City should consider condemning the property for park land. Tangen asked if Mr. Seifert is aware of the possibility of condemnation. Lambert said he feels he is. MOTION: Johnson moved to recommend that the Council proceed with dondemnation of the approximately 15 acres of property owned by Virgil Seifert for park purposes. VanMeter seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Hidden Ponds Park Plan Lambert referred to Staff Memo of July 23, 1980, and a copy of the letter sent to residents within the service area of Hidden Ponds Neighborhood Park. Lambert welcomed comments from residents and Commissioners regarding the schematic park plan, so that recommendation can be made to the Council regarding development of this park. Hopefully the Park can go into contract this fall. Lambert said he received a comment by Mr. Paulson, the neighbor to the east, requesting a fence to keep people out of his oat field. Lambert explained to him that the City cannot provide a fence but oan make a natural buffer using shrubs or berms. Minutes — Parks, Recreation and approved August 4, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -5- c Resident James Strom, Tartan Curve, offered support of the park. He also asked if many of the trees along the railroad bed would be removed. Lambert said that none of the trees in question will have to be removed according to the schematic plan. Resident Jim Swezey, 18204 Valley View Road, expressed support of the park but questionned whether the 10 parking spots shown on the plan would be sufficient as there is no parking allowed on Valley View Road and he assumes the same will be true along Dell Road. Lambert explained that a minimal number of parking spots will be put in to begin with and the parking can be expanded without affecting the park if it is necessary in the future. VanMeter asked if excess parking for special events could occur on the grass. Lambert said the City tries to discourage that. He stressed that the City is in the early stages of neighborhood park development and only the bare essentials are required now, but additions to the parks certainly can be made in the future as the needs arise. Resident Ron Moore, Hidden Ponds 2nd Addition, brought forth a petition from some 25 residents asking that the City do a cost comparison between Camp Frontier site and the proposed park site. Lambert said last year the City did do this comparison and determined that the pro— posed park is a cheaper way to go as Camp Frontier would have to be upgraded so extensively to bring it up to City standards. He further pointed out that Camp Frontier will be a Homeowner owned park and will be accessible to the Hidden Ponds park through a trail system. Tangen also mentioned that the Camp Frontier site was considered for a neighborhood park and the decision arrived at was made through an orderly process. Resident Victor Vachhani, Hidden Ponds 2nd Addition, commented that the pond on the park site is a mosquito breeding area and perhaps the City should consider cleaning it up. Lambert said there is not money in the budget for such a clean up process as it would be a very expensive undertaking. He added that cleaning up the pond is not a high priority item now, but perhaps when the park is developed it will be. MOTION: VanMeter moved to recommend approval of the schematic plan for Hidden Ponds Park and recommends authorization to prepare final plans and specifications and advertise for bids for grading and seeding of this park. Johnson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. i DISCUSSION: Tangen confirmed with Staff that the final plan will include f berming or screening to the east. Minutes - Parks, Recreation and approved August 4, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -6- V.B.1.c. Bryant Lake Center/Lake Ridge Office Park Dick Putnam was present representing Hustad Development. Mr. Putnam did not have a plan to show the Commission and asked that any action be postponed to the August 18, 1980 meeting. He said that the Planning Commission denied their proposal at the last meeting because the grading was too extensive. Hustad Development is, therefore, putting together a model which will show how the site will be graded. Resident John Wilkie, 7221 Willow Creek Road, said that the Hustad people met with residents on July 1 , 1980, and he is presenting a letter from the neighbors to the Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources Commission dated July 14, 1980. Tangen accepted the letter and asked that a copy be mailed to Commissioners before the next meeting. 14OTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend that this item be postponed to the next meeting, August 18, 1980. VanMeter seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. VI. B. Round Lake Irrigation - Request Authorization to Advertise for Bids Lambert referred to Staff Memo of July 23, 1980, requesting authorization to advertise to receive bids for an irrigation system for the ballfields Ct at Round Lake Park. Staff feels that a well is the best solution for irrigating the ballfields and Mr. Dean Holasek, a resident of the community, has volunteered to provide plans and specifications for the irrigation system. He estimates that it would cost $20,000 for the well, and approximately $25,000 for the 4 preliminary fields with the remaining fields as alternates at approximately $5,000 per field. Tangen asked if adequate funds are in the park bond referendum. Lambert replied yes. MOTION: Pond moved to recommend approval to authorize advertisement for bids for the irrigation system of the ballfields at Round Lake Park. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. C. Shoreland Management Ordinance Tangen asked that this item be moved to the next meeting to allow new members of the Commission to have time to read and comment on the Ordinance. D. Prors and Con's of Riley Lake as a Regional Park or Community Park Tangen asked that this item be moved to the next meeting so that Dick Anderson can be present. I Minutes — Parks, Recreation & approved August 4, 1980 Natural Resources Commission 7— � I E. Trails Map Tangen asked that Commission members be sent a copy of the map which is more readable. He also asked that Staff include the trail " discussed earlier through the Thorn Creek Development. F. Council Report I Lambert reported on the following from the July 15 Council meeting: (1) Passed a resolution regarding application of tax forfeited land — the City picked up two pieces, and the one for park purposes is on Purgatory Creek south of County Road 1 (7 acre piece, half wooded and half open). -I (2) Council awarded bids to Hirsch Brothers for rebuilding the porch on the senior citizen building. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. 1981 Budget Lambert referred to the summary sheets included with the Staff Memo of July 30, 1980. He said if the Commission members have any questions regarding the increases, he will address those at the next meeting. Tangen asked if the 1981 budget reflects additional personnel to maintain the increase in park services. Lambert said Staff feels the addition of one man will meet the needs and he doesn't see a problem getting more help if necessary. Tangen asked to postpone this item to the next meeting so Dick Anderson could be present, and asked that Sandy Worts be present at the next meeting. B. Historic Parks j Lambert referred to Staff Memo of June 26, 1980, wherein he expresses difficulty justifying the expenditure of $140,000 for renovation of the Grill House as suggested by the Historical/Cultural Commission. Lambert feels there is some ill will between himself and the Historical/Cultural Commission due to his stand on the Grill House matter. Lambert suggests that before taking any action on the Grill House or the Douglas/More House, the City look at several historic sites by hiring a consultant to do a study of historic resources within the City and comprise a priority list based on this study. Tangen suggested that this Commission and the Historical/Cultural Commission have a joint meeting due to their joint interests in these historic site issues. I Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved August 4, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -8- l Tangen asked that Staff inform the Council that action from this Commission will be deferred on this issue until a joint meeting is set up with the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission and the Historical/Cultural Commission. Lambert will try to arrange a meeting with Staff representative Sandy Werts and the Historioal/Cultural Commission to meet with this Commission on Thursday, September 4, 1980. 1 C. Anderson Lakes Parkway Pedestrian/Bike Trail Lambert referred to Staff Memo of July 30, 1980. MOTION: VanMeter moved to recommend to the Council authorization for City staff to construct the Anderson Lakes Parkway bikeway during the fall of 1980, and to change the language in the agreement to cease operating as an implementing agency to read as follows: "That the City of Eden Prairie will construct the bicycle trail along Anderson Lakes Parkway prior to the end of 1980 and shall be reimbursed development costs by the Metropolitan Council." Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. D. Development Proposal Checklist CTangen asked that an item be added to the Development Proposal Cheoklist _ regarding cutting and filling and its environmental impact on a proposed site. Tangen suggested that this item be worded as to how much major vegetation would be taken out or something to that effect. VIII. ADJOURNMENT KOTION: Breitenstein moved to adjourn the meeting at 10:00 P.M. Pond seconded the motion. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary P E T I T I O N CTO: Eden Prairie City Council; Eden Prairie, Minnesota As a resident of Hidden Ponds in Eden Prairie I support the following proposal for development of a neighborhood Park, opposed to the current plan being reviewed for a park at the east end of Dell Road, but only if after a comparison study has been made showing cost extimates to be reasonably close to or less than the costs projected for the current plan. Hidden Ponds Neighborhood Park Proposal Purchase and upgrading of summer/day camp known as located at the south end of Green Ridge Dr. , consisting aff approximately 22 acres of cleared and wooded land, with existing amenities/facilities & structures consisting of the following: 1 - Softball field with backdrop/foul ball fence. 2 - Fenced, blacktopped tennis courts. 3 - Large swimming pool and Tot pool . 4 - Dressing rooms/building with plumbing. 5 - Other open &/or wooded areas for additional specified activities to be developed, or left natural for Nature Lovers & hikers etc. Any costfactors and estimates should include upgrading the existing facilities as needed &/or indicated by proposed comparison study, as well as indicate any additional facilities included not in current plan (i.e. switnning pool) . Signed Address Date i 4UI, -TA ; 7IA7 '4�1' 7676 ' a sIre / ef -7- �(� � emu. 7/. � - -�� r P E T I T I O N C TO: Eden Prairie City Council; Eden Prairie, Minnesota As a resident of Hidden Ponds in Eden Prairie I support the following proposal for development of a neighborhood park, opposed to the current plan being reviewed for a park at the east end of Dell Road, but only if after a comparison study has been r,ade showing cost extimates to be reasonably close to or less than the costs projected for the current plan. Hidden Ponds Neighborhood Park Proposal - Purchase and upgrading of summer/day camp known as1 located at the south end of Green Ridge Dr. , consisting tof approximately 22 acres of cleared and wooded land, with existing amenities/facilities & structures consisting of the following: 1 - Softball field with backdrop/foul ball fence. 2 - Fenced, blacktopped tennis courts. 3 - Large swimming pool and Tot pool. 4 - Dressing rooms/building with plumbing. 5 - Other open &/or wooded areas for additional specified activities to be developed, or left natural for Nature Lovers & hikers etc. Any costfactors and estimates should include upgrading the existing facilities as needed &/or i ted by proposed comparison study, as well as indicate any additional fac ties included not in current plan (i.e. swicnning pool) . Signed '� Address r Date 1 i P E T I T I O N TO: Eden Prairie City Council; Eden Prairie, Minnesota y As a resident of Hidden Ponds in Eden Prairie I support the following proposal for development of a neighborhood park, opposed to the current plan being reviewed for a peak at the east end of Dell Road, but only if after a comparison study has been made showing cost extimates to be reasonably close to or less than the costs projected for the current plan. Hidden Ponds Neighborhood Park Proposal � 1 Purchase and upgrading of summer day camp known as a 7A located at the south end of Green Ridge Dr. , consisting f approximately 22 acres of cleared and wooded land, with existing amenities/facilities & structures consisting of the following: -4 1 - Softball field with backdrop/foul ball fence. 2 - Fenced, blacktopped tennis courts. 3 - Large swimming pool and Tot pool. 4 - Dressing rooms/building with plumbing. 5 - Other open &/or wooded areas for additional specified activities to be developed, or left natural for Nature Lovers & hikers etc. Any costfactors and estimates should include upgrading the existing facilities as needed &/or indicated by proposed comparison study, as well as indicate ( any additional facilities included not in current plan (i.e. swinnaing pool) . \_ Signed Address Date7 J- 7 � r -7 7 8 4a ,.., J � rr �7ca "11411,7'e�4z i `t I s i •�.' tee+ ,• 4 � �,lr i). . n r u,,:r u f .,,=( r, ; '.w f- 'oi r -n.• r.i„. .�. ',W�y a.r P E T I T I 0 N TO: Eden Prairie City Council; Eden Prairie, Minnesota As a resident of Hidden Ponds in Eden Prairie I support the following proposal for development of a neighborhood Park, opposed to the current Plan being reviewed for a park at the east end of Dell Road, but only if after a comparison study has been rr,ade showing cost extimates to be reasonably close to or less than the costs projected for the current plan. Hidden Ponds Neighborhood Park Proposal �-r Purchase and upgrading of summer/day camp known as eloeA T/tpw' located at the south end of Green Ridge Dr. , consisting bf approximately 22 acres of cleared and wooded land, with existing amenities/facilities & structures consisting of the following: 1 - Softball field with backdrop/foul ball fence. 2 - Fenced, blacktopped tennis courts. 3 - Large swimming pool and Tot pool. 4 - Dressing rooms/building with plumbing. 5 - Other open &/or wooded areas for additional specified activities to be developed, or left natural for Nature Lovers & hikers etc. Any costfactors and estimates should include upgrading the existing facilities as needed &/or indicated by proposed comparison study, as well as indicate any additional facilities included not in current plan (i.e. swimming pool) . Signed Address Date I i P E T I T I O N TO: Eden Prairie City Council; Eden Prairie, Minnesota As a resident of Hidden Ponds in -Eden Prairie I support the following proposal for development of a neighborhood park, opposed to the current plan being reviewed for a park at the east end of Dell Road, but only if after a comparison study has been made showing cost extimates to be reasonably close to or less than the costs projected for the current plan. Hidden Ponds Neighborhood Park Proposal Purchase and upgrading of summer/day camp known as �r (� located at the south end of Green Ridge Dr. , consisting df approximately 22 acres of cleared and wooded land, with existing amenities/facilities & structures consisting of the following: w 1 - Softball field with backdrop/foul ball fence. 2 - Fenced, blacktopped tennis courts . 3 - Large swimming pool and Tot pool. 4 - Dressing rooms/building with plumbing. 5 - Other open &/or wooded areas for additional specified activities to be developed, or left natural for Nature Lovers & hikers etc. Any costfactors and estimates should include upgrading the existing facilities as needed &/or indicated by proposed comparison study, as well as indicate ( any additional facilities included not in current plan (i.e. swinning pool) . Signed Address Date c` ? 3 YD G,-c-cn - .'. 7, >-.,-vn i5v,r?s�s',^S I . AGENDA I �- EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, AUGUST 18, 1980 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS Richard Anderson, chairperson; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 7:35 III. MINUTES OF AUGUST 4, 1980 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:40 A. Proposal from Don Brauer 8:00 B. Gary Carl , Southwest Trails Association (Snowmobile Trail) V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REQUESTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 8:10 1. Development Proposal - Bryant Lake Center 8:30 2. Review New Development Check List 8:40 3. Special Meeting with Council and Historical/Cultural Commission 8:45 4. Round Lake Treatment and Restocking Program VI . OLD BUSINESS 8:55 A. 1980 Budget VII . NEW BUSINESS 9:10 A. Request to Advertise for Bids for Grading & Seeding of Hidden Ponds Park and Creekwood Park 9:20 B. Request Authority to Advertise for Bids for Construction of Community Center 9:30 VIII . ADJOURNMENT UNOFFICIAL MEETING EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION C MONDAY, AUGUST 18, 1980 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL COMMISSION 1v1EMB1 RS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION RIDERS ABSENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; Marge Friederiohs, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services The meeting was not held due to lack of a quorum. Tangen said that members of the Commission and appropriate others will be notified when the next meeting date is set. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary �- ADDENDUM: A special meeting is scheduled for August 27, 1980, 7:30 P.M. , City Hall, pending a quorum. UNOFFICIAL MEETING EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, AUGUST 18, 1980 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMet er COMMISSION MEMMERS ABSENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; Marge Friederichs, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond COIMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services I. ROLL CALL This unofficial meeting was called to order by Vice-Chairperson, George Tangen, at 7:40 P.M. Tangen announced that there is not a quorum present •therefore the meeting will not proceed and will be postponed to the next meeting. Tangen announced that members of the Commission and appropriate others will be notified when the next meeting date is set. Respectfully submitted, C Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary ADDEAIDUM: A special meeting is scheduled for August 27, 1980, 7:30 P.M. , City Hall, pending a quorum. .APPROVED MINUTES SPECIAL MEETING EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION .AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Wednesday, 27, 1 80 August gu 9 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; George Tangen, Pat Breitenstein, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, Larry VanMe•ter COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Marge Friederiohs COMMISSION STATF PRESENT: Sandy Werts OTHERS PRESENT: Dick Putnam, Hustad Development Rick Sather I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 P.M. , by Chairperson, Richard l Anderson. II. MINUTES OF AUGUST 4, 1980 Breitenstein moved and VanMeter seconded the motion to approve the Minutes of August 4, 1980 as published. Tangen asked the Unoffioial Minutes of the August 18, 1980, meeting be changed to read as follows: I The meeting was not held due to lack of a quorum. Tangen said that members of the Commission and appropriate others will be notified when the next meeting date is set. III. RECOIvIIAMDATIONS AND REPORTS 1 A. Reports of Staff i 1. Development Proposal - Bunt Lake Center/Hustad Development Corp. Dick Putnam was present representing Hustad Development Corp., developer of' the project. He prefaced his review of the project by explaining that the developer has been before the Eden Prairie Planning Commission three times where the Commission denied the proposal until the last meeting, a public hearing, when it was approved 7-0. i Putnam feels this Commission will be most interested in the following aspects of the project: 1) proximity of the natural resources to the site; and 2) environmental consequences of the development, i.e. grading, relation to Bryant Lake. 1 I I Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved August 27, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -2- Putnam pointed out that the entire site is approximately 30 acres, and the first phase which is under consideiration at this point, Lake Ridge Office Park, is approximately 7.7 acres. He referred to a model of the development which he feels provides a framework for the first phase as it shows the future phases as well. Putnam explained that the developer is offering buildings of different sizes and shapes in the proposal to blend with the rolling terrain. Putnam introduced Rick Sather, project engineer, to explain the proposed grading and drainage plan®. Sather explained that the basic premise of the development plan is to preserve the basic shape of the terrain and still achieve a high quality office complex. The proposed drainage will be along natural drainage paths—i.e. the western ridge of the property falls sharply to a pond which drains toward the freeway. The street pattern also will drain the same way water has been draining. He explained there are 14 buildings in the first phase (Lake Ridge Office Park) which step up in grade level. The lowest building elevation is at 874' up to a high building elevation of 890. Dick Anderson asked what the present elevation is of the highest knoll on the site. Sather responded 9211 , so about 201 or more will be taken off and used for fill in the parking areas. Tangen asked what part of the Lake Ridge Office proposal is impervious surface, and specifically what is the drainage system planned. Putnam responded 55-60;u of the Bite is parking and roads, and 18.6/1,� is btildings which means 8016 impervious surface. Regarding drainage, Putnam said this property is covered by the Shoreline Management Act and they will be meeting with the DNR next week. Sather said the major drainage way on the site is across Valley View Road. The drainage will be collected and put into a sedimentation pond between the buildings and Valley View Road (approximately 2001 x 601) where a baffling tank will be installed to trap paper and oil scum, then the water will be discharged into marsh across Valley View Road. Sather said they have met with the Nine Mile Creek Watershed District and they seem cooperative in coming up with a drainage solution but nothing has been approved as yet. Putnam remarked that if the DNR wants a secondary ponding area it would be relatively easy to a000mplish it without affecting the marsh area. Putnam further remarked that drainage plans have been done on a preliminary basis and more specific plans will be done after the City approves the development. Tangen asked what the anticipated volume of motor vehicle useage is and what the daily parking will be. Putnam replied over the 30 acres, 6,000 - 7,500 cars per day in traffic and 2,400 parking spaces if the project is developed to the maximum. r Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved August 27, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -3- Tangen asked how the eventual upgrading of Valley View Road will affect the holding pond and how can provisions be made if the new road infringes on this area. Putnam replied that the pond is outside the road right-of-way. The County engineers have reviewed the site and sent a letter to the City regarding the road situation. Although the new road hasn't been designed yet, the developer has taken into account the right-of-way and allowed for it. Anderson and Tangen expressed feelings that specific plans should be prepared prior to approval so the City knows exactly what will be done in terms of drainage. Anderson said there are too many examples in the City of poor drainage planning and the City should have something in writing before approving a proposal. Tangen asked how the developer is addressing the visual impact of the development from the lake and residents. 'Putnam said they have tried to keep in good contact with the people in Willow Creek. He said the distance from the first building to a house near Bryant Lake is 2,200 ft. or .4 mile, and the elevation at the house and first building is 870 (lake drops to 850). Putnam referred to the perspective sketches showing unique "townhouse" type office buildings where people could. own their own buildings and there would be a homeowner's association. He said the project C is intended to read as a single unified project from a distance toappear dense but to read as a unit. The one story buildings are 181 high at the peak and moderate size trees will be planted. The Planning Commission asked the developer to offer a more elaborate landscape plan by putting in larger trees (3" diameter instead of 211). A 5 minute recess was called so Commission members could look at the model. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council denial of the Bryant Lake Center/Lake Ridge Office Park at this time, on the basis that it does not conform to the Shoreline Management Act with regards to impervious surface, and it may have an impact on the delicate structure of the marshland, adjoining to and abutting Bryant Lake and these issues have not been addressed at this time. Pond seconded the motion and -the vote was 5 in favor of the motion and Johnson voting "nayelt. DISCUSSION: Tangen said tonight the Commission has not heard what is being done about the impact this development will have on the environment, the marsh and Bryant Lake. He said it is a beautiful, possibly fragile marsh and the Commission should know how the Watershed District sees the impact of the development. Also, the impervious surface at 80L, is much greater than the guidelines. Tangen said he could not approve the development at this time because of the impervious surface factor, grading and runoff. He said he is not denying the project on the basis of visual impact. Minutes — Parks, Recreation & approved August 27, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -4- IV. NE31 BUSINESS A. 1980 Budget Sandy Werts asked for any questions regarding the 1980 Budget. Anderson asked if there is a breakdown of what the City is spending on specific activities like softball, soccer, etc. Does the City know how much it costs to run a certain program? Werts replied that 1 the information is not compiled in that manner. She said maintenance, for example, is charged off to a park but not a specific sport. VanMeter said he has trouble with the way this budget reads, because 1 there is no way of telling what the City is spending in light of what is budgeted. Anderson feels it is necessary for the City to know how much it costs to run each individual program. Tangen asked if there is an increased budget for organized athletics because of the City having more parks available? Werts said yes. Also the increase in playgrounds is because there will be an additional 2 sites in 1981 to accommodate the new programs such as "Kids Kerner". �- Anderson asked if the City or the school were marking the fields for soccer at the Preserve. Werts said the school does. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend approval of the 1980 Budget as submitted. Johnson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. DISCUSSION: Anderson asked Werts to talk to Bob Lambert about the concerns this Commission expressed on achieving a total cost per activity. Perhaps it can be rearranged on how the figures go into the computer to achieve this. B. Special 1+Ieeting with the Historical/Cultural Commission Werts said the Council would like to be present at a joint meeting between the Historical/Cultural Commission and the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission. The meeting will be October 2, 1980, at 6:00 P.ld. Worts feels this will be a good opportunity for the two Commissions to clarify standards. Werts announced that the Historieal/Cultural Commission is sponsoring an historical celebration, "Sunbonnet Days", on Sunday, September 14, 1980 at the Historical/Cultural Center on County Road 18. V. ADJOiJRMENT r` Tangen moved to adjourn -the meeting at 9:50 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary