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Parks and Recreation - 06/16/1980 i 1980 JUNE 16 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA l EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JUNE 16, 1980 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Pat Breitenstein, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Items 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 7:35 III. MINUTES OF MAY 9, 1980 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None ( V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners - None B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals 7:40 a. Timber Creek 8:15 b. Bryant Lake View Estates 8:40 c. Anderson Lakes Parkway Neighborhood Shopping Center 9:00 2. Community Center Funding 9:15 3. Resolution Authorizing Transfer of Funds from Co. Road 4 Bike Trail to Valley View Road Bike Trail 9:20 4. Bids for Tennis Courts at Round Lake Park and Prairie East and Multi-Use Court at Topview 9:30 S. Council Report of May 20 and June 3 VI. OLD BUSINESS i 9:40 A. Creekwood Park Acquisition and Development Plan 10:10 B. Lake Eden Park Plan Parks, Recreation $ Natural -2- June 16, 1980 Resources Commission 10:40 C. Grading and Filling in Eden Prairie 10:50 D. DNR Reaction to Mr. Duvick's Request 11:00 E. Trail Connection from Hillcrest Court to Edgewood Court VII. NEW BUSINESS 1 11:30 A. Round Lake Park Picnic Shelter/Warming House Program 11:30 VIII. ADJOURNMENT 1 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JUNE 16, 1980 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Pat Breitenstein, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter CO1v1MISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services OTIERS PRESENT: Jack Lynch, BRW Architects Rick Murray, B-T Land Co. Dick Crier, Westwood Planning & Engineering Dick Dahl, Eden Prairie News I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:35 P.M. , by Chairperson, Richard Anderson. r II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Add - V.A.1 . Dave Anderson MOTION: Breitenstein moved and D. Anderson seoonded the motion to C approve the agenda as published with the addition. The motion carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF MAY 19, 1980 Page 4, last para. - Change "other way" to "other direction" - Dave Anderson. MOTION: D. Anderson moved and Johnson seconded the motion to approve the May 19, 1980 Minutes as published with the change. Motion carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AIM REPORTS A. Re-ports of Commissioners 1. David Anderson announced his resignation to this Commission effective June 30, 1980 as he has been elected to the Eden Prairie School Board effective July 1 , 1980. Dave thanked his fellow Commissioners for the pleasure of working with them over the past 2- years. Chairperson, Dick Anderson, aoxnowled.ged the resignation and thanked him for a fine job done as a member of the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resouroes Commission. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & .approved June 16, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -2_ C B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals a. Timber Creek Lambert introduced Jack Lynch of BRYJ Architects, and Rick Murray of B-T Land Co., developer of the project,. Lynch gave a brief overview of the 150 acre project. He said there are a total of 258 residential units planned, 136 being single family, 120 quadraminiums, 48 eightplex units. There are 2 parks planned, one approximately 71- aores, and the other approximatel 10 aores. Thirty-five acres of the site are in conservancy7lood plain and will be left in a natural state. This plan works out to a density of 1.72 including the parks. The north and south portions of the development are each served by a loop road. At this point the architect opened up the discussion to the Commission members and general public. There were approximately 30 members of the general public present. Resident Chris Rodenkirchen, 15554 Park Terrace Drive, asked if all the lots in the development are over the 13,500 sq. ft. minimum set by -the City. Lynch replied that all the lots on the north side of the flood plain are at least 13,500 sq. St. , but some on the south side are not due to the configuration of the land. Rick Murray stepped forward to explain that some of the lot sizes are smaller in order to save the environmentally sensitive areas and not infringe on the flood plain. Lambert added that the 13,500 sq. ft. lot size is a minimum established for straight zoning development. Staff feels the developer has made an acceptable effort to preserve the environ- mentally sensitive areas of this site through the PUD request. Resident Rodenkirchen asked in what order development would oocur--first single family, then multiple, or what? Lynch and Murray pointed out that B-T Land is a developer and not a home builder. B-T Land will sell finished areas (utilities in) to contractors, builders, or individuals to purchase and build on so they will have no control over the order of development . Resident Joseph Morin, 15820 South Eden Drive, asked what the "conservancy" area represents as shown in the plan. Lambert explained that conservancy land is acreage set aside on either Bide of Purgatory Creek to be left in an undisturbed or natural state. He further explained that when a development proposal is considered, the City compares the proposal to the conservancy guidelines outlined in the Brauer Purgatory Creek Study done for Eden Prairie in 1976. Specifically, for the y blinutes — Parks, Recreation & approved June 16, 1980 Natural Resources Commission _3_ area of this proposal, the Brauer Study suggested 60 acres per lineal mile of Creek be set aside as conservancy area. As this development is proposed, the conservancy area is 80 acres per lineal mile. Resident William Kannenberg, 15909 W. 62nd St., asked what will happen to W. 62nd St. as far as upgrading, eta., if this development is approved. R. Anderson said it is not the role of this Commission to answer questions on roads. Lambert clarified this point saying that this Commission is concerned with park issues only i.e. , sidewalks, trail systems and that -the natural resources of a site are being preserved, hills maintained, eto. He suggested that perhaps the question of roads be brought to the Planning Commission instead. Resident Morin felt serious attention should be given to the hill area of the site (north) where single family lots are planned, and consider it instead for park land. He said it is a beautiful knoll and in his opinion not suitable for development. Rick Murray stated that they have worked with the City for 6 months on this proposal and have exceeded the 10% required park land dedication. Lambert gave some background on this property. In the past, the City had this property appraised and the Council voted C_ not to purchase it for park land. Also, according to the City's overall park and open space plan, this proposal offers more park land than the City had originally designated. Lambert suggested that if the residents feel strongly enough, they should petition for more park land, if this is their desire, and bring their petition to the Council for consideration. Resident Paul Choiniere, 15819 North Eden Drive, said there are still 185 existing homes in this area that don't have a park. He said this area was originally going to serve the residents of Paradise Valley, and now the Park Commission is not following through on the park plan. He further pointed out that there is not access to the proposed park for neighbors of the area and these people should have park service. R. Anderson pointed out that when the 1975 park bond referendum to purchase park land in this area failed, nothing more could be done. Then, when the City was updating the guideplan in 1979, Brauer & Associates held public meetings for citizen input. It was in the Guide Plan update of 1979 where the change occurred to make two parks (east & west) on this property instead of one park. Residents, led by Mr. Choiniere, said at this point that they were not notified of the public meetings therefore not well represented. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved June 16, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -4- Resident Rodenkirohen stated that in his opinion, the main problem with this proposal is aoeeBe by neighbors in the area. There should be good pedestrian and bike access, and Townline Road is already so heavily travelled it should not bA expected to handle more traffic. Lambert asked for a specific suggestion from Mr. Rodenkirohen to help solve the problems he speaks of. Rodenkirchen said widening and improvement of Townline Road. Resident William Kannenberg said that as the proposal is now, these parks are private. He also asked about access to the 8reek and is there a bike path planned along the Creek so others could enjoy this natural amenity. Mr. Kannenberg asked if an environmental impact study was ever done for this area--as to what would happen to the wildlife if development occurred. Also, what kind of parks will these be, playground or nature areas. Lambert responded that an environmental impact study is not required for this area. As far as the type of parks built, con- cept plans will be designed for these parks, and neighborhoods will be notified for concept review. The final plan is then developed reflecting the needs and desires of the neighborhood. C Lambert reminded the audience that these are defined as "neighborhood" parks to serve a - mile radius, not community parks which serve a large portion of the population. R. Anderson asked residents to voice opinions tonight on what kind of parks they want. Resident Morin wants to Bee park area expanded to include part of the hill (north side of flood plain) and to see access from the east implemented. R. Anderson asked how the Creek valley (conservancy area) is proposed to be used. Lambert Baid people will own the lots but the conservancy is considered a "no-build" area. The developer has already dedicated park land zo nothing is planned for the flood plain in the Creek area. Lambert further said that with most proposals along the Creek, the flood plain is dedicated to the City, but this developer has not committed anything to this effect as yet. R. Anderson said he feels the Creek should have been access from the east. Resident Choiniere expressed feelings that the park dedication of this proposal should be restructured with more attention given to the Park and Open Space Stady. He feels this proposal is too incomplete for action to be -taken at this time. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved June 16, 1980 Natural Resources Commission Lambert reminded the Commission that the Parks & Open Space Study Mr. Choiniere refers to is only schematic, and the City's Five Year Capital Improvement Plan (1979 - 1983) does include these two parks. Resident Harold Trocke, 15801 W. 62nd St. , said he has lived in this area for 15 years and there has never been a park for kids near him. Now a new development is proposed and parks are planned for a few residents that aren't even living there ,yet. Mr. Trooke feels the entire hill area (north side of. Creek) should be park space and left in its natural state. Johnson asked Lambert if he is satisfied with the layout of this development proposal. Lambert answered, yes. Pond expressed feeling that -Lt is reasonable these residents get what they want, and the new residents can decide when they buy a lot whether they like the arrangement or not. Existing residents should have more consideration on matters like this. MOTION: Pond moved to recommend that the Council reject this pro- posal because the residents already living in this area should have more consideration than the people yet to come. R. Anderson seconded the motion. The motion was approved 4 to 1, with all voting "aye" except Dave Anderson voted "naye". j b. Bryant Lake View Estates Jack Lynch of BMW Architects presented this 17 acre, 6 lot single family development proposal. R. Anderson asked if this proposal had been before the Commission before. Lambert said yes, it had been approved for 27 lots and now has been changed to 7. Lambert said the only real park issue here is the right-of-way for a road going through to guarantee access from the west to Bryant Lake Park. Lynch said the proposed road would allow access through to the park from the west and would be a 50 foot dedicated right-of- W%y. R. Anderson asked if any dredging was planned as he Js aware of this being quite a boggy area. Lambert said the Staff is concerned with this same issue as the perspective homeowners may want to build Close to the lake, so the City Planner recommends the horneow:iers obtain approval from the Watershed Distriot before building. 4 Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved June 16, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -6- MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to recommend to the Council approval of Bryant Lake View Estates per the Planning Staff report of June 6, 1980. R. Johnson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. A 5 minute recess was called at 9:00 p.m. o. Anderson Lakes ParI22,y Neighborhood Shopping Center Dick Crier of Fleetwood Planning & Engineering Co. , was present representing the developer Eden Prairie Real Estate Investment Corp., and Western Petroleum Co. He described the 17.28 acre project located on the S.E. quadrant of Anderson Lakes Parkway and Highway 1697 as planned for neighborhood commercial development. The development will include 2 restaurants and a 30,000 sq. ft. commercial building. ro Crier said an 8 foot asphalt bikeway and sidewalk is planned along Anderson Lakes Parkway. The pond on this property is not a protected body of water according to the DNR, and the developer plans to fill and dredge a portion of it and maintain the rest of it. Crier said significant landscaping is planned around -the pond to maintain the stability of the bank. Crier referred to the site plan indicating a restaurant adjacent to the pond and a large parking lot with landscaping and berming along -the edges of the lot to shield it from the nearby residents. Breitenstein expressed concern with access to Highway 169 from Anderson Lakes Parkway. Crier said the developer is also concerned and has agreed to pay $20,000 for a light at that point (this amount does not include turn lanes). Pond asked if that light would definitely be installed--is it "warran.tedIt as far as the State is concerned. Crier said there must be 10 warrants according to the State before a light will be put in with the State's participation in funding. This does not mean that a 'light, if it does not meet the 10 warrants, cannot be put in using other funding sources (such as -the developer in this case). Crier expects that whatever is put in at this point will be temporary until the other adjacent lands are developed. Crier feels putting in a temporary light will help the traffic problem for the time being and then when more development occurs those involved can take the next step to solve a more complicated traffic problem. MOTION: David Anderson moved to recommend to the Council approval ' of the Anderson Lakes Parkway Neighborhood Shopping Center per Planning Report of June 5, 1980. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. plinutes — Parks, Recreation and approved June 16, 1980 Natural Resources Commission 7— C DISCUSSION: Pond asked if the finished development would be as proposed tonight, or will the developer merely get approval and then build something different than proposal. Crier said the developer is representing to Eden Prairie what they plan to build, the type of buildings will be as stated in this proposal and the height of the buildings will be no higher than 30 feet as stated. The City has laid out guidelines and the developer plane to meet the City ordinances. 2. Community Center Funding Lambert reported that at the May 27, 1980 special meeting the Council gave the architect approval to proceed with plans and specifications for the Center. According to what the Council approved, the cost for the Center will be more than the bond referendum. The architect estimates the base price at $2,475,783, and the Council approved another $578,783 in alternates. Staff would like this Commission to review the possible sources of funding (per memo of May 29, 1980) for the additional $578,000+ and make a recommendation that Staff can take to the Council. Lambert said the Commission need not act tonight. R. Anderson asked the Commission if they felt Cash Park Fees was a possible funding source. Dave Anderson felt as long as the money came from industrial/offioe and not residential fees. Lambert said he was uncomfortable with using industrial cash park fees as a source because the City draws on that money so often as it is. R. Anderson feels money from LAWCON and Metro Council reimburse— ments should be used for purchase of land and not for structures. Lambert said he is uncomfortable using money from Mill Levy as the City will have increased operating oosts with the Center and the Mill Levy should be available to help with these costs. Lambert feels and the Commission agreed, that the accrued interest on the bond program of approximately $350,000 is a good source of funding for the Center. R. Anderson feels very strongly that if funding is taken from LAWCON and/or Metro Council reimbursements, enough money should be left for the purchase of Swedlund property. Lambert feels there would be enough money for both if the City receives LAWCON assistance on Miller Park. NOTION: Dave Anderson moved to recommend to the Council that additional funds needed for the Community Center be taken from the accrued interest of the bond program (approximately $350t000) and the balance from the LAWCON reimbursement (general park revenues). Johnson seconded the motion and it passed 4 to 1 with R. Anderson r voting "naye". Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved June 16, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -8- c DISCUSSION: R. Anderson feels at least $190,000 should be left in LAWCON reimbursement fund to go toward purchase of the Swedlund Property. 3. Resolution Authorizing Transfer of Funds from Co. Road 4 Bike Trail to Valley View Road Bike Trail Lambert reported that the original cost estimate for this project was based on a contractor doing the asphalt work on the County Road 4 bike trail. When the City decided to use City crews it brought a considerable savings, so Staff would like approval to transfer $10,000 to asphalt the Valley View Road bike trail. MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend the Council approve -transfer of funds ($10,000) from County Road 4 Bike Trail to Valley View Road Bike Trail. Johnson seconded the motion and it carried 4 to 1 with Dave Anderson voting "naye". DISCUSSION: D. Anderson asked if eventually the Valley View Road Bike Trail would all be on one side of the road. Lambert said only when Talley View Road is upgraded probably in 5 to 10 years. 4. Bids for Tennis Courts at Round Lake Park and Prairie East and Multi-Use Court at Topview MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to recommend the Council accept bid of Tennis West per Staff Memo of June 12, 1980. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. 5. Council Report of May 20 and June 3 Commission agreed to cover this at the end of the meeting. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Creekwood Park Acquisition and Development Plan Lambert reported that the City has negotiated a purchase price of $50,000 for the 12.6 acres of property owned by Paul deLeoour of Brownsville, Texas, for the Creekwood Park. Mr. deLeoour will sell as soon as the Council approves this and arrangements are made. Lambert said he now needs approval from -this Commission to acquire the land and proceed with plans and speeifioatinne for the Creekwood Park. Lambert explained the problem of access to the park for Creekwood residents, and said the best route is along the future bike trail adjacent to County Road 1, then northerly along the future Homeward Bills Road. Lambert reviewed the schematic design for the Park which includes a softball field and junior size football field. Landscaping will screen residents from these active play areas. Two tennis courts, tot lot, and skating area are also planned. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved June 16, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -9— CResident Gregory Kosehinska, 9379 Creekwood Drive, said the neighbor- hood. is very supportive of this park plan they initially asked for a 1 or 2 acre site and are well pleased with the size of the proposed Dark and the type of activities planned. He further said that access is a concern and he feels the access recommended by the City is best. Resident Coralyn Kosohinska asked; (1) will a warming house facility be provided; (2) is the bike trail maintained in the winter; and (3) how will the light green area shown on the plan be developed. Lambert responded that the City only provides warming house facilities where there is a lighted hockey rink, so there will not be one in this case. The bikes trails are not maintained in the winter due to need for specialized equipment and high cost. The light green area on the plan will be left in a natural state with possibly a high elevation point mowed and picnic tables provided. Lambert feels this area will " probably be acquired in park dedication when the adjacent land is developed (owned by the Preserve). Resident Dale Monson, 9380 Creekwood Drive, asked if grading at the Park would affect the Purgatory Creek wildlife area. Lambert said the area, to be graded for ballfields is presently a crop field so the flood plain should not be greatly affected. C MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend the Council approve Creekwood Park acquisition and development plan per staff memo of June 5, 1980. Dave Anderson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. B. 'Lake Eden Park Plan Lambert referred to Staff memo of June 5, 1980, explaining this project and reviewed the schematic design. Lambert said the City will bid this Park with the Anderson Lakes Parkway Project. This Park will include a base for future tennis courts, a football and softball field, tot lot, skating area and parking. Lambert said he hopes to seed this fall. MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to recommend the Council approve the Lake Eden Park Plan per Staff recommendation. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. C. Grading and Filling in Eden Prairie Lambert referred to Staff memo of June 5, 1980, listing the status of several grading and filling locations in Eden Prairie that were of concern to this Commission. Johnson said if the Commission requests the status on any other specific locations they will ask Staff to report. r, Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved June 16, '1980 Natural Resources Commission _10- D. DNR Reaction to Mr. Duvick's Request Lambert reported on the DNR's response to fish stocking on Red Rock Lake per Mr. Duviekts request. The DNR will not do any studies until the public has the same aooess to the lake that the homeowners do. Lambert feels the City should have public access to this lake on a master plan for some point in the future. E. Trail Connection from Hillcrest Court to Edgewood Court Lambert reviewed Staff memo of June 10, 1980 and added that in looking back over City correspondence he found a letter from Don Peterson (formerly with Edenvale) saying that he would grant right-of-way for a trail through their property if the City sees it is necessary to connect a trail at some point in the future. R. Anderson feels Mr. Schumacher's offer of $20,000 is high, but the connection is needed. R. Anderson gave the Chair to Dave Anderson. MOTION: R. Anderson moved to recommend to the Council that the City require a 10 foot easement to the Creek for a bike trail and pedestrian Creek crossing. The Commission refers the Council to a letter from Don Peterson of Edenvale promising to dedicate easements for this pur- pose if the City deems necessary. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. The Chair is returned to R. Anderson. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Round Lake Park Picnic Shelter/Warming House Program Lambert said the City has park bond referendum to use for this project, and would like to go to the architect with a location and program for the building. Any recommendation this Commission makes will be forwarded to the Council. D. Anderson asked if the facility with have space for athletic storage. Lambert said if the building is of the same type of architecture the existing shelter is, which is strongly feels it should be, the entire upstairs level could be equipment storage. D. Anderson feels perhaps the storage space could be divided for use by both the EPA and Hookey Association. MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend the Council approve the Round Lake Picnic ShelterAlarming House Program per Staff reoommen- dation. Pond seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved June 16, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -11- V.B.5. Council Report of May 20 and June _3 Lambert reported the following„from the meeting of May 20, 1980: (1) Council tabled indefinitely the Swedlund Property (2) Approved revised Round Lake Park and School Site Plan (3) Approved Creekwood Park Purchase (4) Approved advertisement for bids on Round Lake Lambert reported the following from •the meeting of June 3, 1980: (1) Approved $10,000 transfer of funds for Valley View Road bike trail. (2) Approved resolution for release of LAWCON funds to go to Senators. VIII. ADJOURIOMT Dave Anderson moved to adjourn the meeting at 10:53 P.M. Johnson seconded the motion. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording secretary