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Parks and Recreation - 05/19/1980 1980 i MAY 5 .9 19 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, MAY 5, 1980 7:00 P.M., CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, I' Pat Breitenstein, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, I Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMetex COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time It to Begin Item I : 7:00 I. ROLL CALL II. PARK TOUR - SWEDLUND PROPERTY I 8:15 III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 8:20 IV. MINUTES OF APRIL 21, 1980 V. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 8:25 A. Letter from Trevor R. Gettelman C VI. RECOMDIENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff I 8:45 1. Riley Lake Paxk 9:00 2. Hennepin County Request for Approval of New Design of 62 Crosstown 9:15 3. LAWCON Grant Status 9:20 4. Summer Teen Programs 9:30 5. Outdoor Recreation Program for Teens VII. OLD BUSINESS None VIII. NEW BUSINESS 9:40 A. Trail System to New Hi h School 9:5S IX. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED !+MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION C^ MONDAY, MAY 5, 1980 7:00 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Pat Breitenstein, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services Sandy Werts, Recreation Supervisor OTHERS PRESENT: Dick Dahl, Eden Prairie News I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 8:15 p.m. , by Chairperson, Richard Anderson, following the tour of the Swedlund property from 7:00 - 8:15 P.M. II. PARK TOUR - SWEDLUND PROPERTY III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Additions: VII.A. Round Lake Park Plan - R. Lambert VIII.B. Trails in General - R. Anderson C' MOTION: Tangen moved and Breitenstein seconded the motion to approve the agenda as published with the additions. The motion carried unanimously. IV. MINUTES OF APRIL 21 , 1980 MOTION: Tangen moved and D. Anderson seconded the motion to approve the April 21, 1980 Minutes as published. Motion carried unanimously. V. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Letter from Trevor R. Gettleman Lambert referred to the letter from Mr. Gettleman regarding excessive weed growth in Anderson Lake/Ensign part. Lambert is not in total agreement with Mr. Gettleman on the seriousness of the problem, and consulted with City Planner, Chris Enger, who feels the lake level was dropping so more weeds. More water will be put into the lake by way of the Hartford Insurance building drainage. R. Anderson asked if there is monitoring of the lake. Lambert said yes, on a monthly basis approximately. R. Anderson turned the chair over to Tangen. MOTION: R. Anderson moved to recommend that the Commission receive a status report on the monitoring program at Anderson Lakes, to include lake level, highs and lows. D. Anderson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. DISCUSSION: R. Anderson suggested a letter be sent to Mr. Gettleman thanking him for his interest and tell him what action is being taken by this Commission. The chair was returned to R. Anderson. Minutes — Parks, Recreation & approved May 5, 1980 Natural Resources Commission —2— VI. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 1. Riley Lake Park Lambert referred to the Staff Memo of April 30, 1980, explaining the alternatives the City has regarding the Schaitberger and Swedlund properties. Alternative #1 , to purchase the Swedlund property and develop as the schematic plan indicates and. includes purchase of a 200 x 301 piece of property in Carver County for development of boat launch. After touring the site this date, the Commission feels the depth of the water on the Carver County parcel should be considered before attempting a boat launch in this area. ti ,. Alternative #2, to purchase the Swedlund property and develop as a picnic area and swimming beach only, continuing to use the Sohaitberger park property as the public boat access to the lake. Alternative #3, to reject acquisition of the Swedlund property and invest in improving the Sohaitberger property (improvements listed in memo). C Lambert explained a problem the City has faced regarding the ballfield on the Schaitberger property. The City has been using this field for league play (this is the last year it will be used as such). The existing property line is 15' from third base and players have been jumping over the fence to retrieve balls. Also, teams waiting to play warm up in the adjacent farm field. The man who farms the land for Mrs. Jacques (property owner) is very irritated by this and has approached the players in anger on oocassion. Lambert further said that from the looks of an aerial photo of the site, it appears the City property line is 50' into the farm field. The site will be surveyed this week and posts will be put up marking the property line and the players and officials advised to confine the play area within the property boundaries. 1. Lambert said the City would not have to sell the Schaitberger property in order to purohase the Swedlund property, but there is a question if the City wants to maintain both sites. VanMeter asked if there is an advantage in keeping the house on the Sohaitberger site. Lambert feels the rent is minimal (around $300-,$350/ month) and if the park is going to be developed in the future then he would suggest removing it; but for now the City should keep it. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council purchasing the Swedlund property to include a 200 x 30t parcel in Carver County, if possible. It is recommended to continue use of the Sohaitberger /f property as public boat aooess to Riley Lake. Pond seoonded the motion �.. and it carried unanimously. 1. Minutes — Parks, Recreation & approved May 5, 1980 Natural Resources Commission —3-- f� DISCUSSION: Lambert emphasized that the schematic plan of the Swedlund property was "schematio" only, and not neoessarily the way the site would eventually be developed; it was intended to show that the park could accommodate several parking areas and was developable as a community park. 2. Hennepin County Request for Approval of New Design of 62 Crosstown Lambert reviewed Staff Report from Chris Enger dated April 24, 1980. The Planning Commission considered Hennepin Counties new proposal for the 62 Crosstown, and voted not to approve it. The 1976 proposal included a high bridge over Nine Mile Creek and the new proposal is a 40' fill section through the Creek to save the project 1.4 million dollars. Lambert feels the City should fight this all the way as the new proposal would destroy the Nine Mile Creek Valley. MOTION: Breitenstein moved to strongly recommend to the Council not to approve the extension of the 2 Crosstown as proposed by Hennepin County. Pond seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. DISCUSSION: R. Johnson asked whether contractors operating within the City could be limited as to encroachment on pond areas--example is the pond at Highway 5 and Mitchell Road. R. Anderson and Tangen expressed strong agreement with this point. Tangen asked for a report on a City ordinance governing the cutting and filling of lands--does a contractor need a permit to out and fill land within the City? Lambert felt the Commission should cite specific examples in question. R. Anderson felt this issue should be on the agenda next time in regard to the following sites: a McGlynn Bakery expansion b South Highway 5, Purgatory Creek c Mitchell Rd. and Highway 5--south side of 5 (Coop Power) d Menards e Shady Oak Road, east side If Commissioners have any additional sites in mind, contact Lambert by the end of the week. 3. LAWCON Grant Status This is an information item to inform that the State of MN .could lose all of the LAWCON Grant appropriations for 1980 due to President Carter's revised budget proposals. As far as the City is concerned, this could affect funding for Parcel 2 of Miller Park. A 5 minute recess was called at 9:00 P.M. 4. Summer Teen Programs Werts reviewed the Teen Work/Play Program and the Teen Drop—In-Center as covered in Staff Memo dated May 2, 1980. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved. May 5, 1980 Natural Resources Commission. -4- The Teen Work Program is a very successful one and the only change from last year will be raising the hourly rate to $.70/hour paid to participants at the end of the summer. Werts would like to change the Teen Center from high school age to Middle School emphasis. The attendance has dropped considerably over the past few years, and the leaders suggested gearing the program to younger children, 6th to 8th grade and possibly 9th grade. R. Anderson suggested a youth liason police officer be present at all large teen functions in the City. The Commission was in agreement with Warts' proposal to gear the teen program to a younger age, and Tangen asked if the Commission could have an update on the Teen Center Program in midsummer to see if it should be continued. This report should include public safety cooperation. 5. Outdoor Recreation Program for Teens Werts referred to Staff Memo dated May 2, 1980, explaining the program which will cover skills of backpacking, canoeing, basic climbing and wilderness skills. Hal Weldin, director of the program, is a parks and recreation student at the University and has worked with the City in the past. Last Fall he went through the 12 week Outdoor Leadership Program at the National Outdoor Leadership School. C VII. OLD BUSINESS A. Round Lake Park Plan Lambert wanted the Commission to look at the plan before it goes before the School Board on May 15. Lambert explained that because soccer is suoh a growing program, he is proposing 2 soccer fields at Round Lake instead of one of the softball fields. One regulation baseball field is proposed also, which will give the City a total of 3. VIII. NEW BUSINESS A. Trail System to the New High School Lambert referred to the map showing the proposed trailway system in relation to the new school. He pointed out the obvious shortcoming on County Road 4 north of Valley View Rd. The State of Minnesota shows the City already has a bike trail, but it is an expanded shoulder which the City does not consider legitimate. R. Anderson asked which trails could be finished by the opening of the high school in March 1981, which would mean construction would start this summer. Lambert mentioned the following: 1 81 asphalt from County Road 1 to County Road 4. 2 81 asphalt along County Road 4 to Valley View Road. 3 81 asphalt from Valley View Road west to the railroad tracks. 4) 6f aggregate line from Valley View Road east to Edenvale Blvd. '1 Minutes — Parks, Recreation & approved May 5, 1980 Natural Resources Commission —5— � R. Anderson asked if there was a possibility of a trail from Edenvale to Hillcrest Court. Lambert doesn't see a problem but suggested the people who live there might. R. Anderson turns the chair over to Tanger.. MOTION: R. Anderson moves to request that the Council check on the feasibility of running a bieyole/pedestrian path connecting Creekside Court with Hillarest Court. VanMeter seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. B. Trails in General R. Anderson spoke with some irrate parents recently, who feel there should be bicycle trails getting kids from the northwest sector of the City to the Preserve area for soccer practice. Getting to the Eden Prairie Center is also a problem for people from this past of town. R. Anderson suggested a possible short-term solution might be to stop parking on one side of designated existing roads, and correct the bad drain problem. He said the major population of the City is based in the northern part of the City and the bicyclists should be able to safely get across town. Lambert feels future streets will alleviate some of the problem, and he suggests the Commission thinks this through carefully and be able to recommend specific streets for repair and limited parking. Tangen questioned whether or not the Trailway/Bikeway Task Force Committee C_ should be reactivated. Lambert said only if there were definite goals for the Committee to accomplish--he is not convinced there is really a job for that Committee again. R. Anderson felt there are some present situations that can be remedied, and he will prepare to make recommendations (example, no parking along Valley View Rd.). IX. ADJOURNMENT D. Anderson moved and Tangen seconded to adjourn the meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 10:45 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary I AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, MAY 19, 1980 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Pat Breitenstein, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item J 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF MAY 5, 1980 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:40 A. Letter from James F. Duvick, President of Eden Hills Homeowners Association V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals 7:45 a. Braun's Fashions, Inc. 8:00 b. Northmark East & West 8:15 c. American Family Ins. 8:25 2. Council Report VI. OLD BUSINESS 8:30 A. Procedures for Grading and Filling in Eden Prairie 8:45 B. Round Lake Park Plan 8:55 C. Creekwood Park Purchase VII. NEW BUSINESS 9:05 A. Trail Connection to Hillcrest Court 9:20 VIII. ADJOURNMENT i APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REIREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, MAY 19, 1980 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Pat Breitenstein, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services G THERS PRESENT: Bob Worthington, Rauenhorst Corp. Larry Peterson, BanCon, Inc. I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:33 P.M. , by Chairperson, Richard Anderson. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: D. Anderson moved and VanMeter seconded the motion to approve the agenda as published. The motion carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF MAY 5, 1980 MOTION: Breitenstein moved and D. Anderson seconded the motion to approve the f May 5, 19bO Minutes as published. Motion carried unanimously. i IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COM14UNICATIONS A. Letter from James F. Duviok, President of Eden Hills Homeowners Association. Lambert brings this letter to the attention of the Commissioners as Mr. Duvick is representing the Eden Hills Homeowners Association in requesting the City to ask the DNR to consider stocking Red Rook Lake with game fish. Tangen asked the StafffIs opinion on the importance of stocking the lake. Lambert feels the City should see how the stocking of Round Lake goes for a year or so before considering another lake. Lambert questions whether the DNR would spend money on a fish stocking program if the public does not have the same access to the lake as the homeowners. On Red Rock Lake there is only a public trail access (for oanoes but difficult for larger boats). R. Anderson questions whether it is worth considering stocking of a virtually private lake. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend that Mr. Duvickfs letter be forwarded to the Council for recommendation and sent to the DNR for evaluation. D. Anderson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners t None Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved May 19, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -2- B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals a. Braun's Fashions, Inc. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend tabling this proposal until a representative of the developer is present to explain the project in more detail and answer questions. D. Anderson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. i DISCUSSION: Tangen mentioned that he recently drove by the site and feels the development to the north (LeParc) is awful in terms y of flat grading the land, and that the Braun proposal should be looked at carefully with that in mind. b. Northmark East & West Mr. Larry Peterson was present representing the developer, BanCon, Inc. He pointed out that Northmark East is a 5 acre site with 8 buildings, 4 units in each projected. Northmark West is approximately a 12 acre site with 17 buildings, 4 units in each projected. Mr. Peterson said BanCon proposes these quads as carriage house type structures with cedar shake siding which will sell for a base price of approximately $75,000+. He expects mainly retired people and young professionals to buy the units, which would dictate not many children in the development. R. Anderson asked if there is a trailway system planned. Peterson explained the proposed system, pointing out the proposed trails on a map. D. Anderson asked if there presently is a tot lot in the Northmark development. Peterson said yes, the Preserve built it through Homeowners Association. R. Anderson suggested a rest area with bench, picnic table, etc., be put in along the trailway instead of putting in a "tot lot" (mini park) that might not be used. MOTION: D. Anderson moved to recommend to the Council approval of BanCon, Inc., Northmark East (Northmark Third) per recommendations in staff report of April 23, 1980. VanMeter seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. MOTION: D. Anderson moved to recommend to the Counoil approval of BanCon, Inc. , Northmark West (Northmark Fourth) per recommendations in staff report of April 22, 1980. VanMeter seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. c. American Family Insurance Lambert said this proposal will be going before the Council tommorrow (May 20, 1980). He explained -that there was a mistake in obtaining the proper zoning change on the project, and work is being held up on the project until this is straightened out. Minutes — Parks, Recreation & approved May 19, 1980 Natural Resources Commission —3— MOTION: D. Anderson moved to recommend to the Council approval of American Family Insurance Phase II Building Expansion per staff report of May 9, 1980. Tangen seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. 2. Council Report Lambert report the following from the Council meeting of Iday 6, 1980: — approved monitoring of Fish Management by University of Minnesota. — authorized appraisal of Earl Moore house, as it is recognized as a City museum prospect. — approved authorizing plans for figure skating club room in the Community Center, as an alternate. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Procedures for Grading and Filling in Eden Prairie Lambert responded to the Commission's request for City ordinanoes dealing with grading and filling regulations. His memo of May 14, 1980 oites Ordinance Nos. 142 and 226 relating to grading and filling of earth. Also cited in the memo is Ordinance No. 276 designating the floodplain in the City and regulating the use and development thereof. C R. Anderson cited the McGlynn Bakery Expansion as an example of how the City was sold a beautiful plan for the pond (fountain, lighting system, eto.) when the Edenvale development was proposed. Now they are grading the area right up to the pond thus making it not much more than a mudhole. R. Anderson asked if the Commission could do anything about it at this point. Lambert said he would check the original Edenvale PUD to see if there were any stipulations regarding the pond, but this would be the only case they would have for action against the grading. Lambert will report on his findings at the next meeting. Tangen asked how much fill is being used on the site south of Highway 5 at Mitchell Road. He questions whether Coop Power if fulfilling their original agreement. Lambert said he would check with the engineering staff for an estimate on that. R. Anderson feels there is not much that can be done about the other sites the Commission questioned, but he feels it is the responsibility of this Commission to tell the Council their concerns. The Commission should draft a resolution regarding their concerns. Lambert said he would draft a work copy for the next meeting and the Commission can discuss and expand on it at that time. This item should appear on the agenda next time. A 5 minute recess was called at 8:45 P.M. MOTION: Tangen moved to withdraw his motion to table the Braun's Fashions, Inc. , proposal, as Bob Worthington arrived to make his presentation. D. Anderson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. r _ Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved May 19, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -4- V.B. 1. a. Braun's Fashions, Inc._ Bob Worthington, representing Rauenhorst Corporation, arrived to present the Braun proposal. He stated that Braun's have their present office/warehouse in St. Louis Park, need additional space and would like to consolidate their office and distribution center on this site at Valley View Road, west of County Road 18. Worthington said the project is planned for 2 phases: Phase I, approximately 100,000 square feet to be under construction before Fall 1980; and, Phase II, an addition to be built within the first 3 to 5 years of operation. Worthington further pointed out that the developer plans to berm and do extensive landscaping along Valley View Road. The oak trees presently along Valley View Road will be kept and included in the landscape plan, however he could not guarantee that the trees would survive upgrading of Valley View Road which could occur when Phase II would be added. Tangen asked why this development is proposed to be graded down as far as the LeParc project to the north which, in his opinion, is in such poor character. Worthington said warehouse space needs to be on flat land, and the Braun people require a one story facility. The developer hopes to create interest by designing jogs in the building and landscaping along Valley View Road to create a nice edge. He further said office facilities lend themselves to multiple level structures which can be worked into the site, but warehouse facilities do not. R. Anderson said the hill along Valley View Road, which will be eliminated with the Braun structure (and is already out into by the LeParc development), now serves as a screen for -the flat industrial area to the north and east. He also voiced concern over the parking lot in Phase II; will it be screened from future residential development to the west? Worthington said trees are planned along the parking lot. He said if the Commission wants the developer to come back before Phase II with some of these concerns, then they should so stipulate. MOTION: D. Anderson moved to recommend to the Council approval of Braun's Fashions, Inc. , request for a corporate office and distribution center per planning staff report of April 11, 1980. No second to the motion, and the motion dies. DISCUSSION: D. Anderson explained that if the Commission were working this area the other direction he could not agree with this proposal, but because the entire area to the north and east is already industrial he doesn't object. He feels more concern should be shown over the 1, property to the west--that it be kept in its natural state. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved May 19, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -5- Tangen said he could not support the motion because he is still concerned that this site be a transition area. He feels the City should draw the line somewhere on eating away into the flat warehouse type development idea. Tangen strongly feels something more interesting could be built on this site to preserve it as a transition area. Johnson asked if perhaps the building could be turned in another direction to work with the site better. Worthington said he did not feel th4.s was a question of design but more a land use question. He feels the developer is responding to the present zoning policy. R. Anderson said perhaps the City should reconsider how important industrial grown is at this time. There already is a lot of industry and should more be promoted. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council that the Braun's Fashions, Inc. , development be denied for the following reasons: The Commission feels this area should provide a break to the flat-land-type of warehouse development that has occurred to the north. This should be a transition back to a more rolling and interesting development area. Also, perhaps a high density residential might be a better use in this transition area. The major concern of the Commission is to try to retain the majority of the hill separating this building site from the LePark site to the north. Pond seconded the motion and it carried with D. Anderson voting "nave". (� VI. B. Round Lake Park Plan Lambert said there is only one change the school has requested, and that is to turn the middle softball field around so the backstop is along the south end of the field instead of the north end. This change will not affect any of the other fields. MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend that the Council approve the Round Lake Park Plan. D. Anderson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. C. Creekwood Park Purchase Lambert referred to Staff Memo dated May 15, 1980, describing the 2 parcels under consideration for Creekwood Park. A parcel generally south of the creek is owned by the Preserve and a parcel generally north of the creek is owned by Mr. L. J. DeLecour who lives in Brownsville, Texas. Mr. DeLecour wants to sell the entire parcel of 12.6 acres and feels it is worth $4,000/acre rather than the $2500/aore the City had it appraised at. Lambert said he is anxious to make the purchase so grading and seeding can be accomplished this summer. MOTION: VanMeter moved to recommend the Council approve acquisition of property for Creekwood Park per Staff recommendations. Breitenstein f seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. `' I „ Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved May 19, 1980 Natural Resources Commission VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Trail Connection to Hillcrest Court Lambert would like to table this item until he has a chance to find out which lots are buildable in order to determine a walkway easement route for a trail connection. R. Anderson asked if Staff could contact Edenvale to see if a trailway extension could be obtained. B. Trails in General R. Anderson said the City has had a problem in the past with hhstreets ty is being constructed and ending without connecting anyw now going to extend some of these roads, and R. Anderson questions whether the trailways could be extended at the same time. Lambert said this is being done. R. Anderson suggested that parking be prohibited on one side, all along Valley View Road instead of just by the golf course as it presently is. He said this is not the best solution to the bike and pedestrian problem but it would help the situation. R. Anderson feels obtaining trailway easements through oul-de-sacs which not connect should be a high priority item for the Commission this year. VIII. ADJOURNMENT D. Anderson moved to adjourn the meeting at 10:30 P.M. Pond seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary �� i