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Parks and Recreation - 03/19/1979 el 1979 MARCH 5 , 19 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, MARCH 5, 1979 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Robert Carlson, Steve Fifield, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell, George Tangen COMMISSION STAFF: Robert Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL I II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 5, 1979 MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 8, 1979 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:35 A. Jaycee Women - Community Project Application V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 7:40 1. Development Proposal - Cardinal Creek 8:00 2. Recreation Supervisor Report a. Softball b. Community Gardens c. Beach Operations 8:30 3. Park Dedication Ordinance, Draft #4 9:00 4. Duck Lake Elevation VI. OLD BUSINESS 9:10 A. Guide Plan - Five Year Capital Improvement Program 9:45 B. Eden Prairie Stables j VII. NEW BUSINESS ` l 10:00 A. Senior Citizen Center Plan i 10:15 VIII. ADJOURNMENT AGENDA PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION $ MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 8, 1979 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL I. Communications between Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission and the City Council of Eden Prairie II. Funding for Parks and Recreation in the City of Eden Prairie III. Definition of goals for development of the Park System 1. Mini-Parks/Totlots 2. Neighborhood Parks 3. Regional Parks 4. Bike/Hike Trails I APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, MARCH 5, 1979 7:30 P.M. CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Steve Fifield, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell , George Tangen COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Robert Carlson COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Richard Dahl , E.P. News 1' I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by chairperson Richard Anderson. A. Election of Officers George Tangen nominated Richard Anderson as Chairperson; seconded by Kruell . Anderson was elected unanimously. Robert Johnson nominated George Tangen as Vice-chairperson; seconded by Kruell . Tangen was elected unanimously. B. Operating Procedures Chairperson Anderson stated that the Commission would continue to use Robert's Rules of Order. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Additions to the agenda: V.A.1. Skating Rinks-Warming Houses-Dave Anderson V.A.2. Eden Prairie In Action-R. Anderson V.A.3. Discussion of February 8 Commission/ Council Meeting-R. Anderson VI. C. Current Status of Finances for Parks and Recreation-Tangen VI. D. Goals-Kruell VII.B. Lack of Maintenence in Construction Areas-Kruell VII.C. Bond Issue-R. Anderson MOTION: Tangen moved to approve the agenda with the additions; Fifield seconded. Motion carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 5, 1979 Changes to be made: Pg. 6: insert "Chair returned to Anderson" Pg. 4: para. 6: Kruell requested that it be an agenda item in July, 1979. MOTION: Tangen moved, and Dave Anderson seconded, to approve the minutes as x Minutes-Parks, Recreation & approved March 5, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -2- �- revised. Motion passed unanimously. III. MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 8, 1979 Changes to be made: Pg. 1 : Record Robert Kruell as present. t Pg. 2 : para. 7: Kruell replied that it is favorable, "providing the Bond Issue is planned and presented properly." MOTION: George Tangen recommended approval of the revised minutes; seconded by Dave Anderson; the motion passed unanimously. f IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS i The commission was contacted by the Eden Prairie JAYCEE Women who are soliciting requests for donations. Lambert asked the commission to offer suggestions, and to consider the following possibilities: ` flPlayground structure at Round Lake, Preserve Park or Edenvale Park. Picnic Tables at Riley, Round Lake, at Birch Island Lake 3) For the Senior Citizens Center a T.V. antenae, a stove, a refrigerator, or a dock. Lambert distributed a letter issued by the Pioneers Club outlining specific needs, which will also go to the JAYCEE Women. Kruell asked what the available funds were, and if the commission had been approached in the past. He felt the request should offer a challenge to the group, but not be overwhelming. Lambert pointed out that Public Service Organizations like to donate tangible items--not money or short-term items. For example, the JAYCEE Men are considering the donation of a pontoon boat to the Senior Citizens Center. R. Anderson suggested that a cross-country trail groomer that could be pulled by a snowmobile would be desireable for the Park Department to own; , but that it could also be considered at budget time rather than be solicited as a donation. MOTION: Tangen moved that the staff submmit a list of recommendations to the JAYCEE Women with top priority being given to the Senior Citizen Center's needs. Dave Anderson seconded. DISCUSSION: Dave Anderson suggested listing different possibilities in each of the price categories for the Senior Citizen Center. 1 P VOTE: Motion passed unanimously. c V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS i A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Skating Rinks-Warming Houses Dave Anderson w.anted to report to the commission some of the problems that had been brought to his attention recently. There was an incident about three weeks ago where the Forest Hills warming house was open without an attendant for several hours. There were also complaints Minutes-Parks,, Recreation & approved March 5, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -3- about lights being left on after hours, and even all night in one instance. Dave asked if our policies are too strict; is that why we have trouble getting good help? He had been told that attendants were not even allowed to study or read while on duty. Lambert had not been informed of all the complaints--although the staff was aware of the attendant who had gone home ill and was not allowed by his parents to return. He suggested that locks now I being used are very poor. Even an expensive, vandal-proof light- box had been broken within a week of its installation. There are new locks on order at this time. With eight positions open for rink attendants this year, the department had only ten applications. The attendants are allowed to read, but not skate. Eden Prairie is ' not unique with this problem; even communities paying between $3-$4 are having the same problems. Fifield suggested that the pay is not adequate now--and the general feeling is that the job is undesireable. R. Anderson reported that in Bloomington they hire highschool students who are required to provide signatures of several teachers recommending them for the job. Also, they are allowed to skate. 2. Eden Prairie In Action R. Anderson asked each commissioner who had participated to share his thoughts. Tangen reported that he had visitors there all the time. They seemed Most interested in the map--to find parks closest to their homes. He felt that the neighborhood parks will be a selling point in the Bond Issue. Dave Anderson was also very busy at the booth. He reported that people were discussing facilities such as ballfields, pool , arena, and hard surface basketball courts for the parks. The map was also a popular item while he was there.. He did hear a few complaints about the lack of facilities--some coming specifically from the Prairie East area. R. Anderson noted that the map was also very popular while he was there,with people locating the nearest park. The traffic did not pick up on Sunday until about 11:00 a.m. He felt that the commission should continue to be represented at Eden Prairie In Action in the future, since it is very informative and offers good public relations. Tangen suggested that a training session for those planning to work could be beneficial next year. 3. Discussion of February 8 Commission/Council Meeting R. Anderson opened the topic for discussion, suggesting that a special meeting or a block of time on a future agenda be considered. Tangen asked if scheduling two joint meetings a year was necessary; would one scheduled meeting plus another when necessary be better? Minutes-Parks, Recreation & approved March 5, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -4- R. Anderson noted that meeting on a periodic hasis is good, and that memorandums are not a good means of communication. He suggested meeting early in the year, on annual basis. MOTION: Tangen moved that the Commission thank the Council for the joint meeting and recommend that joint meetings be held annually in February with additional meetings being held if the need arises. Dave Anderson seconded, and the motion passed unanimously. B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals--Cardinal Creek Lambert reported that the representative of the developer had not received his notice and was unable to attend the meeting. He requested being put on the agenda for the next meeting. Kruell asked if a representative was necessary as long as the commissioners had their check list. Lambert replied that the representative could answer questions and make the presentation. He should also be present to get a feel for the nature of the questions being raised by the commission. MOTION: Kruell moved to table the discussion of the Cardinal Creek development proposal until the March 19, 1979 meeting. Johnson seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. A short break was called at 9:00 p.m. 2. Recreation Supervisor Report a. Softball Lambert presented a report from Sandy Werts concerning the Adult Slowpitch Softball Leagues. A softball field at Riley Lake Park is going to be upgraded and will allow room for sixteen additional teams to participate in this summers' program. There were a few problems with the use of the Presbyterian Church field last season--the rules for parking, etc. are going to be discussed at the Softball Managers meeting and a memo will be sent to each player. The Rules and Protest Committee needs two members from the Commission. Dave Anderson volunteered, and Robert Johnson also agreed to serve on the committee. Dave Anderson questioned the possiblility of available fields ' at the Vo-Tech School . Lambert reported that there was no suitable land available on the Vo-Tech site. No action required. b. Community Gardens Sandy Werts' report indicated that the city will again offer Minutes-Parks, Recreation & •approved March 5, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -5- community garden plots at Round Lake, but the Preserve land may not be available, since it has been sold. Kruell questioned the rationale, and the cost of providing community gardens. Lambert explained that it is a service to the residents; the cost is minimal ; and if the land is available, it is a good use. t ' Dave Anderson agreed, adding that it provides recreational service to people who don't receive it in other ways, such as those families without children, or retired couples. Lambert noted that the only change from last year will be a lower fee for residents 65 years and older. R. Anderson expressed support for this change, stating that historically the city has provided fewer services to the ' senior citizens than to children or adults. MOTION: Kruell moved to recommend approval of the staff recommendations and fee schedule from the memorandum of March 2, 1979. Fifield seconded the motion; it passed unanimously. c. Beach Operations Lambert reported that the staff recommends dropping the boat- launch fees at both Riley Lake and Bryant Lake, to comply with DNR standards for "Public Access". DNR would then help clean out rough fish and stock the lakes. Boats' horsepower can still be limited by the city, and parking fees may still be charged. Tangen noted that Bryant is a small lake and could easily be overloaded with boats. R. Anderson pointed out that by closing the lake to high-power boats on Sundays and Holidays, the problem was being controlled. The commission could act to do the same on Saturdays if a problem developed. Another possible solution would be to limit the total parking area, with Eden Prairie residents receiving parking permits. MOTION: Tangen moved to accept the recommendation from the Memorandum of March 2, 1979, including dropping the boat launch fees on Riley Lake, eliminating season boat launch passes, and retaining the boat launch fees at Bryant Lake. Johnson seconded. DISCUSSION: Tangen explained that he does not think that a means for suitable parking control can be worked out while Bryant Lake Park is under construction. It may be more reasonable to consider dropping the 1°e next year when theteis a separate parking area for cars with boat trailers. i i Minutes-Parks, Recreation & :approved March 5,1979 Natural Resources Commission -6- so R. Anderson argued that Eden Prairie residents have already invested a great deal of money toward the park at Bryant Lake, and should not have to pay for launching boats there. He felt that fees and policies should be consistent throughout the city; therefore, if we drop the launch fees at Riley, we should also drop the launch fees at Bryant. Tangen stated that there should be no changes until a workable plan could be drawn up. The lake has been under good control for several years--to change the rules without a great deal of thought would not be wise. DNR assistance is not needed at Bryant Lake as it is at Riley. Anderson noted that since the problem of big boats has been solved on Bryant Lake, and the figures indicate that fees are not a deterent, the fees should be dropped at both lakes to comply with DNR regulations for public access. " VOTE: Two in favor, four opposed, motion did not pass. a ' MOTION: Tangen moved to table the discussion on Beach Operations until March 19, 1979, meeting, and requested further information on beach operations from the staff. Kruell seconded, and the motion carried unanimously. Fifield left at 10:30 p.m. 3. Park Dedication Ordinance--Draft 4 Lambert presented Draft #4 to the commission and asked for discussion. Kruell thought that the commission had decided to delete Section 3, on Low and Moderate Income Housing Dedication. Tangen agreed. n MOTION: Kruell moved to recommend to the Council approval of the Park Dedication Ordinance as presented, with the following changes: all use of the term "tot-lot" be changed to read "mini- park", and Section 3 on Low and Moderate Income Housing Dedication be deleted. Tangen seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. 4. Duck Lake Elevation x Lambert included this report in response to a request by the Commission. Apparently there is only one resident on Duck Lake who is trying to have the high-water level lowered. MOTION: Kruell moved to recommend to the Council that the high- water level of Duck Lake not be changed; Johnson seconded, and the motion passed unanimously. l VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Guide Plan--Five Year Capital Improvement Program Minutes-Parks, Recreation & approved March 5, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -7- ,. In compliance with a request for specific information, Lambert is compiling a report that includes a Five Year Capital Improvement Plan. This outlines specifically the financial needs to follow through on the overall plan for aquisition, development and trails. Lambert also pointed out that using the committee method to determine the need for a bond issue would help determine the willingness of the community to support a bond proposal . Kruell noted that this list of priorities differed from the one that was presented before the 1974 Bond Proposal . i Lambert replied that many had, due to new developments, facilities, etc. Also, citizens' groups appearing at City Hall do affect priorities. Tangen stated that this discussion answered his proposed agenda discussion item on the current financial status of the Park and Recreation Department. He recommended that a proposed mechanism for initiating a one-mil levy and committing aquisition and development funds be brought to the Commission by the Staff. r' Lambert was requested by the commission to rework the outline, separating I ` the grants that have been approved from those that are anticipated; and also to include a map corresponding to the areas listed on the outline. MOTION: Tangen moved that the Guide Plan be agenda item number one, following the approval of the minutes at the next meeting on March 19, 1979, and be discussed until at least 9:00 p.m. Seconded by Kruell , the motion passed unanimously. B. Eden Prairie Stables Lambert reported that the Vo-Tech School has expressed an interest in leasing the horse-operation at Bryant Lake to run astable-management ; program and related courses. The city is currently advertizing for proposals, but has not had good response. I Kruell favored the option of closing the stables on a temporary basis and using the arena as a temporary indoor ice-facility. Dave Anderson reported that the hockey Board is still interested in the use of the building--with many possibilities being considered. He thought that they could come up with a proposal . This was an information item, no action required. C. Current Status of Finances of Park and Recreation Department Tangen observed that it would be helpful for the commission to be aware of the current financial position of the department. Perhaps a "flow sheet", or a quarterly financial report presented on a quarterly basis would (, be desirable. Minutes-Parks, Recreation & approved March 5,1979 Natural Resources Commission -8- f D. Status of Goals for Commission Kruell felt that it would be appropriate for the commission to set four or five goals to work from. Tangen suggested that they could be developed in conjunction with the goals being outlined in the Guide Plan. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Senior Citizen Center Lambert presented a master plan for the proposed development of the senior citizen center showing land use and outlining required changes and maintenence. R. Anderson commented that he had a tremendous amount of positive feedback on the proposed center from people who stopped at the booth at Eden Priarie In Action. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the council approval of staff proposals outlined in the memorandum of March 2, 1979. Kruell seconded, and the motion passed unanimously. B. Lack of Maintenence in Construction Areas Kruell felt that with the spring construction beginning shortly, the building inspectors should be aware of the potential problems caused by improper maintenence and clean up in construction areas. Lambert agreed to pass the message to the appropriate staff people. C. Bond Issue R. Anderson withdrew his agenda item, wishing to discuss it at another meeting. VIII. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 12:10 a.m. Respectfully Submitted, Georgia Uessen Recording Secretary AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, MARCH 19, 1979 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Robert Carlson, Steve Fifield, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell , George Tangen COMMISSION STAFF: Robert Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 7:35 III. MINUTES OF MARCH 5, 1979 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 7:40 1. Council Actions 7:45 2. Guide Plan/Comprehensive Park Plan 3. Development Proposals 9:00 a. Cardinal Creek 9:20 b. Shady Oak PUD 9:40 c. Olympic Hills 6th Addition VI. OLD BUSINESS 10:00 A. Bryant Lake and Riley Lake Fees 10:15 B. Joint Use Agreement - Tennis Courts VII. NEW BUSINESS 10:30 A. Bond Referendum (, 11:00 VIII. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, MARCH 19, 1979 7130 P-M-, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENTS Richard Anderson, Chairperon; David Anderson, Robert Carlson, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell, George Tangen COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENTS Steve Fifield COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert Lambert, Director of Community Services 1 OTHERS PRESENT: William Bye, Lyle Folkstad, Dan Gustafson, Lee Johnson, Becki Coleman, E.P.Sun; Dick Dahl, E.P.News I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7130 p.m. by chairperson Richard Anderson. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTIONS Dave Anderson moved to approve the agenda as published; seconded by R. Johnson; motion passed unanimously. III. MINUTES OF MARCH 5. 1979 Changes to be made: Page 3 , V.A.2., para. 3s Last sentence should reads r "He did hear a few complaints about the overall lack of facilities--some coming specifically from the Prairie East area. " Page 7, para. 4s Adds " Also, citizens' groups appearing at city hall do affect priorities." MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to approve the minutes as revised; seconded by Kruell, the motion passed unanimously. IV. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. . RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 1. Council Actions This item was tabled. 2. Guide Plan/Comprehensive Park Plan Lambert presented the Comprehensive Park Plan prepared by the staff as the park and recreation supplement to the City Guide Plan. He Minutes--Parks, Recreation & :approved March 19,1979 Natural Resources Commission -2- felt that adding all the necessary data on parks and recreation would overload the existing Guide Plan. This should also help to develop the total picture in reference to the Bond Referendum. Lambert explained that he would like to discuss the policy items with the commission, answer questions and receive suggestions. Kruell commended Lambert and the staff on a "super job."' He agreed that it would be difficult to add this material to the Guide Plan. because of some committments that must be made and figures that should be included, and this would be difficult to do within a five-year projection. Lambert agreed, noting that the figures should be updated every year. He also added that the format they had followed was one recommeded by the Metropolitan Council as being well done. . Lambert proceded to review the document with the commission. Tangen noted that on page 8 an indoor swimming pool is mentioned, but is not included in the plan in any manner. He asked if a pool should be addressed as a need over the next five years, as well as an indoor-ice- facility. Lambert suggested including them in the capital improvement chapter. He noted that in the population chapter there is a list of "needs" which is repeated in the summary of needs and could be removed. . Also, under recreation programs, the numbers may be misleading because they are drawn from daily participation on the various programs, and there are many repeaters. R. Anderson suggested that it be called "annual participation", which is self-explanatory. Tangen noted that on pages 15 and 16, there are no dates. It should read "1978 Data". Dave Anderson pointed out that on page 14 there is information given on E.P.A.A. A correction on the ages of participants should read "2nd grade through 8th grade". Lambert asked for input on the Summary of Needs, page 17. Kruell asked if, by considering aquisition and development concurrently, are we not removing the possibility of future bond referendums by eliminating the demand? The citizens who gain developed neighborhood parks may not be willing to support the future needs of new residential developmants. He suggested squiring all the needed lands now, and developing them for use in the future. Lambert replied that the parks would not be fully developed at this point. At the time another bond referendum was needed, improvements could be offered in many areas, appealing to more �� residents. Also, he anticipated that the Cash Park Fees would Minutes--Parks, Recreation & :approved March 19, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -3-- aquire more parks as the need increases due to development. �f He noted that from the citizen contact he has had, there is a great desire for development as soon as possible. Dave Anderson asked if the Top View Neighborhood Park should be a high priority considering the Edenvale East dedication is within one mile of the area. It seems that other areas may have greater needs. Lambert explained that a lot depends on the future road alignments, Valley View Road in particular. Also, there is a great demand for a facility and the area is highly desireable as a park. The land that is being considered is being platted by the owner, so a decision should be made soon. Tangen requested that an indoor swim facility and indoor ice arena be added to the summary of needs. R. Anderson asked that : Lochanburn area be considered, since they had been given a hieb priority at the time of the last bond referendum. . Lambert noted its close proximity to the large facility proposed near Hidden Ponds, but agreed that again, road alignments created a problem. Kruell suggested that by aquiring a smaller park near the Hidden t Ponds neighborhood, another smaller one north of it could be pur- chased for Lochanburn and Maple Leaf Estates, areas. . In the chapter on Mini Parks Lambert noted that he had used the Metropolitan Council's definition with some modifications; for example, the size was not limited to one acre, but included parks from one to five acres. Kruell asked if some of the mini-park facilities could be re- titled since they are not all playground parks, but often are simply open space or nature preserves. . Tangen suggested listing them together as "passive mini-parks," and note "no development planned", in a group separate from the developed parks. : Lambert wwiked... to note under Community Playfields, the addition of parking barriers and graduated pitching mounds at Flying Cloud Fields. Also, under Bryant Lake Trails, the date should read 1979. The staff is recommending that at Riley Lake Park and new backstop be cons tructed and the old building be removed. A picnic shelter could be built over the slab. . There is also a problem with the alignment of the road here--it divides the parking lot from the beach. Minutes--Parks, Recreation & approved March 19, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -4- R. Anderson asked how long it would be before the road could be re-routed. Lambert thought that it may be five years or more, depending on the development of Dell Road, and the aquisition of park property. An extra "parking lane" may ease the problem faced by boat launchers. f Tangen noted that there are again, two passive parks in the list of neighborhood parks that should be separated from the rest. , Lambert pointed out that under Policies and Goals, the Senior Citizen Center, trails, and recreation programs are all included. Lambert presented a second Capital Improvment Program; this one indicates a zero deficit each year, as opposed to the first CIP, which showed a deficit each year. He asked for additions to the plan. R. Anderson wished to include an indoor swim pool, and as indoor ice facility to the first Capital Improvment Program. Lambert noted that including the facilities in the program would necessitate identifying the possible funding sources and methods. Dave Anderson also wanted to include the facilities in the plan, but was hesitant to set a limit or actual dollar amount at this time. R. Anderson pointed out that there are many methods for funding such facilities, and didn't think it would be wise to be committed to one plan when so many possibilities are available. Tangen suggested that it could be included in the form of an addendum, should interest and funds be available. Dave Anderson noted that the ice arena should be considered multi- use, with hockey, figure skating, free skating, curling, platform tennis,track and ball practice all being possible uses. . MOTION: Tangen moved to add an addendum to the Comprehensive Park Plan/Five Year Capital Improvement Plan-to include: a possible indoor swim facility, a possible community recreation facility with indoor ice, as items that may or may not be added as interest as funds become available within the community. Seconded by Dave Anderson. DISCUSSIONS Dave Anderson wanted the addendum to be added to the Summary of Nedds chapter of the Comprehensive Park Plan. VOTE: The motion passed unanimously. ( Lambert told the Commission that he he will bring back the two �• Capital improvement Programs at the first meeting in April. The necessity of a band referendum will depend on which of the plans Minutes--Parks, Recreation & unapproved March 19, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -S- the Commission chooses to support. Tangen asked if approval pproval of the Comprehensive Park Plan automatically approved the total Guide Plan. Lambert said that it would, unless they wished to make any changes. MOTION: Johnson moved to commend Lambert and his staff for their excellent job in the preparation of the Comprehensive Park Plan. Tangen seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. A short break was called at 9110 p.m. 3. , Development Proposals a. . Cardinal Creek Lambert introduced William Bye and Lyle Folkstad who were at the meeting to present and answer questions about the proposed Cardinal Creek development. Lambert pointed out after the presentation that the landowners had agreed to dedicate property along Nine-Mile Creek for trails, and to construct connector,trailt. Kruell questioned the flood-plain variance required for four of C_ the lots. Mr. Folkstad explained that they were meeting with the Nine-Mile Creek Watershed District to get their approval. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council approval of the Cardinal Creek Project, as per the staff recommendations in the memorandum of February 28, 1979; seconded by Dave Anderson. DISCUSSION: R. Anderson pointed out that the commission has in the past drawn a hard line on the filling of flood-plains, and they are normally opposed to it. VOTE: Motion passed with Kruell abstaining— b. Shady Oak P.U_D. Mr. Dan Gustafson was introduced by Lambert. He presented the plan for a PUD including housing, office, and commercial uses throughout the site. Tangen questioned Mr. Gustafson on the location of the proposed access road. The plan shows it entering the development directly across from Rowland Road, off County Road 61. i Tangen also asked how many housing units would be contained in the PUD and how many developers would be involved. i Minutes-Parks, Recreation & -approved March 19, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -6- Gustafson told him between. 500•arid 600 units were planned, with four or five developers anticipated. Each developer was expected to provide recreational facilities for their own development. Tangen pointed out that the whole area is locked in by highways, and the nearby Bryant Lake Park will not work as a neighbor- hood park. He recommended denial. unless there is a definate committment for park land, with open space. Lambert commented that the development should have 5-6 acres as active use open space for ballfields, tennis courts, etc. If the entire development were to come in for approval at one time, it could be determined whether needs would be met. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the council denial of the proposal due to the lack of open space-recreational facilities for the type of development proposed. Seconded by Dave Anderson, the motion passed unanimously. c. Olympic Hills 6th Addition Mr. Lee Johnson of the Preserve made the presentation to - the Commission. CTangen asked If there were plans to fence the area used by the deer as a corridor. Johnson replied no, although some fencing may be required to keep the public from entering the golf course. Tangen asked what the reaction was by the membership to the development proposal. Johnson said the reactions were varied. . Tangen then questioned the future of a golf club that sells its property as homesites. Kruell asked why no mini-park was being planned..Johnson said it was not felt to be necessary since the homes would be very expensive, and there would probably be very few children. Lambert pointed out that the final PUD approval for the Preserve did not include most of the section now owned by the Preserve; theref6re, they were not entitled to exemption on those lots from the Cash Park Fee. Kruell asked why the city was constructing the trail with aglime rather than concrete or asphalt. Lambert explained that it was planned as a two-stage process; the trail will be upgraded if the use justifies the expense.. Minutes--Parks, Recreation & approved March 19, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -7- MOTIONt Kruell moved to recommend to the council approval of the project as per the staff recommendations in the memo- randum of March 16, 1979, with the exception (under item three) that the lots owned by the Preserve at the time of the original PUD approval be exempt from paying the Cash Park Fee. Carlson seconded the motion. DISCUSSIONS Tangen expressed disappointment with the lack of representation from Olympic Hills. He felt that approval of this project may be the beginning of the end of the golf cour,a, and that dc.—z1Dpment as planned would ruin many of the natural features of the area. . Kruell stated that he eras neither opposing nor defending the concept of a housing development within the golf cliab. He did not feel the Commission could infringe on the rights of the private owners to develop private property into generally accepted uses, Tangen argued that the golf course was still considered open space, whether private or public, and he was committed to maintainXng it as such. v i VOTE: Motion carried, with Tangen opposed. . VI. OLD BUSINESS r A. Boat Launch Fees Lambert explained to the commission that the staff would like to drop fees at Bryant Lake Park and Riley Lake Park for launching boats, in order to qualify as public access with the D.N.R. There are several methods of controlling boats; first limit the parking area, then possibly consider a water surface management ordinance. . Tangen noted that the additional information in the staff memorandum answered his questions, and he was prepared to support dropping boat launch fees at both facilities. He then suggested charging a "trailer fee" to help recover the loss of revenue. Canoes or boats brought in on car-top would not be affected. Lambert suggested that by most standards, a lake the size of Bryant would be at capacity with 12-15 boats, therefore, the staff felt that parking for 12-15 trailers would be sufficient lot size f ' when the park is developed. S MOTIONS Tangen moved to abolish the boat launch fees on Bryant Lake and Riley Lake, but to establish a one-dollar trailer fee for any trailer brought into the park. -Kruell seconded the motion. DISCUSSIONS R. Anderson had talked to the D.N.R. and found that the city could set almost any kind of rules or policies, as long as they are consistent, and apply to all users. This means a park entry fee for everyone could be charged, but not a parking fee for non- residents only. Minutes--Parks, Recreation & approved March 19, 1979 Natural Resources Commission 8 Lambert added. that the D.N.R. and the Metropolitan Council are working on a study of local water use and will have recommendations as Bryant Lake Park is developed. VOTE: Motion failed. Chair was turned over to Tangen. MOTION: R. Anderson moved to recommend to the Council approval of the staff recommendations from the March 13, 1979 memorandum. 3 Seconded by Tangen, the motion carried unanimously. The chair was returned to R. Anderson. B. Joint Use Agreement--Tennis Courts Lambert presented a rewritten version of the tennis court joint-use agreement between the city and the school district. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council approval of the staff recomendation contained in the memorandum of March 16, 1979. Carlson seconded the motion. DISCUSSION: Kruell stated that he would like to see a stipulation that would require the high school teams to police the courts after their practices, since he has seen them left in a mess. . �- R. Anderson suggested that it may be more appropriate for Lambert to suggest to the high school tennis coaches that their teams could police the courts after practice, since he has had a complaint about the-- condition the courts were left in the past. VOTES Motion passed unanimously. VII. NEW BUSINESS A..Bond Referendum Lambert outlined the procedure he would recommend that the commission follow if they adopt a Five Year Capital Improvement Plan with a deficit at the next meeting. He stressed that the commission should not try to sell the idea, but rather, present the facts, and gain support as citizens recognize the needs. . MOTION: Kruell moved to recommend to the Council the adoption of a one mill levy which will be used toward aquisition and development of parks as outlined in the Five-Year Capital Improvement Plan. Tangen seconded the motion. DISCUSSION: Dave Anderson asked if the one-mill levy would be continued if a bond referendum is passed. (\ Lambert replied that it is included in the plan for all five years. Minutes--Parks Recreation & approved Natural Resources Commission -9- March 19, 1979 f� He also agreed to go before the Council with an informational memo- randum to get their feedback as soon as possible. VOTE: Motion passed unanimously. VIII. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 11150 P.M. Respectfully Submitted, Georgia Jessen Recording Secretary