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Parks and Recreation - 06/19/1978 1978 JUNE 5 , 19 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JUNE 5, 1978 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson Steve Fifield, William Garens, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell, George Tangen COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 's 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF MAY 15; 1978 MEETING 1 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. B. Reports of Staff 7:35 1. Gymnastics Program 7:50 2. Recreation Program Registration Recap 8:00 3. Development Proposals a. Amsden Hills IV 8:20 4. Status of Round Lake LAWCON Grant VI. OLD BUSINESS 8:25 A. "South Park Site" Franlo Road and County Road 1 F 8:45 B. Shoreland Management Ordinance 9:30 C. Flying Cloud Tennis Courts D. Development Proposal Checklist E. Watershed District Report on Purgatory Creek 101 and 7 F. 1978 Goals G. Cash Flow - CASH PARK FEE Parks, Recreation 4 Natural -2- June 5, 1978 r" Resources Commission 1, H. Bike Trail Grants I. Develop Policies on: a. Trails b. Neighborhood Parks c. Golfing in Parks VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Northwestern Bell Request - Underwater Cables - Anderson Lakes B. Tennis Court Grants - Prairie View and Round Lake Park VIII. ADJOURNMENT APPROVBD MINUTES' EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY.. JUNE 5, 1978 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, David Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garen, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell and George Tangen COMMISSION NEMBERS, ABSENT: None 00144ISSION STAFF PRESENT: Director of Community Services Bob Lambert Recreation Supervisor Sandy Werts k OTHERS PRESENT: Gloria Williamson, Acting Chairwoman of Eden Prairie Parents Organf.zation; Joe Pease, Business Consultant; John Hissink, ; Preserve; George Soash and John Gilbertson, r Northwestern Bell II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Additions were: VI. J. Guide Plan Update — Kruell VII. A.1.B_uildin Expansion — Kruell C. EPAA Resauest — Dick Anderson MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to approve the agenda as published and amended. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. III. IAINUTES OF MAY 15, 1978 MEETING MOTION: Garens moved to approve minutes of May 15, 1978 meeting as published. Fifield seconded, motion carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. None. V. RECOM[,1MNDATIONS AND P12ORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. None. i B. Reports of Staff 1. G-i mmatics Pro�7cam `.Jerts spoke to the doubling in size of last summers program and to c I Minutes - Parks, Recreation ,approved and Natural Resources Commission - 2 - June 5, 1978 1. Gymnastics Program (cont'd) present request by parents on forming an association. She spoke to her attached memo and to the Statement of Purpose, explaining that if the organisation wants to take over the program and take on the status of the EPAA and HEAP, the City j could help with support services. Commissioners questioned relation of EPAA and HEAP to the City fromla liability standpoint. Werts responded that the City acts as an "umbrella", and that we are liable only for the facilities. Mr. Joe Pease, Business Consultant for the parents group, 6385 St. John Drive, St. John's Wood, explained that he has put together an insurance program that covers everything, and that the City would not be vulnerable to any part of the program. MOTION: Kruell moved to adopt option no. 2, in accordance with the Staff recomen- dation of June 2, 1978. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. 2. Recreation Program Registration Recap Werts spoke to her memo summarizing present summer registration. No Action Required. 3. Development Proposals l a. Amsden Hills IV Lambert spoke to the Planning Commission Report and Development Proposal Check List. Mr. John Hissink, representing the Preserve, responded to questions by the Commissioners on the proposal. He explained that the Deer Corridor on the east side of the site and north of the storm water pond will be dedicated to the City, and will be turned over to the Homeowner Associa- tion. Kruell questioned Hissink on the distance of this land from Nesbitt Park and what type of traffic was envisioned on Franlo Rd. Hissink responded about one-half mile. Lambert added that a bikeway was designated for the north side of Anderson Lakes Parkway and sidewalk along Franlo Road. Tangen asked about a designated sidewalk south of -the site. Hissink responded that when the outlot is developed, with the platting of that parcel, would be the time to make the recommendation. He added that the Preserve would like to complete development by two and one-half years. Dick Anderson expressed concern with a connection between Anderson Lakes Park and the southern section. Lambert explained the regional trail grant would provide money to connect the Minnesota River to Anderson Lakes by trail. i t r Minutes - Parks, Recreation and iapproved Natural Resources Commission - 3 - Monday, June 5, 1978 C a. Amsden Hills IV (cont1d) Kruell pointed out that the necessity for two different types of systems seems to be appearing; one is the major connections, and equally important is the access of the people in the neighborhood parks. Hissink commented that there are trails in the budget'..for the Neill Lake area, :and that the trail system to the park through the Preserve is there presently. Dick Anderson requested that Lambert find out where the trails are going in the Prairie East development and how they will connect with those in the Preserve. Kruell asked how the area outside of the Nesbitt Park area was served as far as recreational needs. Hissink responded that this was taken care of by the Preserve Center. MOTION: Krue11 moved to recommend to the Council approval of the Amsden Hills IV as outlinedin the Staff proposal of May 189 1978. Dave Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. k. Status of Round Lake LAWCON Grant C Lambert spoke to his letter of transmittal, explaining that we have sub- mitted a copy of the deed that we received from the School on the Round Lake Park Site to the State planning Agency. He outlined the process of the grant and his estimation on completion of construction in 1979. He explained that he felt the irrigation system needed was of the highest priority, and suggested closing the park for one year for complete construc- tion. Kruell questioned the $10,000 cost of the irrigation system, commenting that he thought the budget was for $650,000. He questioned further whether many new parks being constructed are equipped with an irrigation system* Lambert responded that the cost was affected by the type of system installed, and that many of the new 'Round Lake type" parks are being irrigated. He felt that with the high use, there was a definite need for irrigation. Gerona expressed approval of the suggested plan of closing down the park and completing construction, rather than accomplishing it piece-meal. He asked whether EPAA had been approached. Lambert answered that he had talked with EPAA, and the plan was discussed. Dave Anderson asked for clarification on whether LAWCON money can be received, even though there is a restriction on the deed. Lambert responded affirmative, and that he had taken it to the State Planning Agency and received favorable response. Dick Anderson expressed approval for the plan, also, commenting that we should inform the public about it. 1 Minutes - Parks, Recreation and :approved Natural Resources Commission - !+ - Monday, June 5, 1978 C 4. Status of Round Lake LAWCON Grant (continued) Kruell expressed reservations on putting in the sprinkling system, commenting that it involves minimum disruption of the land, and asked whether we shouldn't use the money for acquisition or facilities some- where. Lambert pointed out that the money would buy about two acres, where- as we could put in eight ballfields or two tennis courts. Tangen commented that without irrigation, the land will have to be re- seeded etc., therefore, becoming more costly. He suggested holding off on a Motion until the final status of the grant is known. VII.A. Northwestern Bell Reouest Underwater Cables Anderson Lakes Mr. George Soash of Northwestern Bell spoke to their request because of the tremendous growth in the southeastern part of the community. He explained P ~ two possible plans, using cables that would last seven years or in the alternate., proposal, a permanent structure which would last eighty years. He explained further that if the Commission approved of the proposal, they could establish a conduit system where the bike path would be, and they would also establish a bike path over the system. He offered to show films on underwater installation at a future meeting if requested. F Dave Anderson asked about the repair percentage on the type of cable lasting eighty years, and has it ever needed to be brought up out of the water. Soash responded that they cannot guarantee it will be trouble free, adding that they have not needed repair. Garens expressed support for the second plan, noting the taxpayers that will be served, and that it was the least expensive and more permanent. Dick Anderson asked what PJSP would be doing, commenting that they would 'like to deal with them at the same time. Soash commented further on the two plans, explaining that he felt it would not be disruptive, .because there are already three cables in the lake, with a defined easement for that cable. MOTION: Dave Anderson moved that we recommend concept approval for installation of a cable that would go through the northeastern end of Anderson Lakes, coming out in the Timber Trail area and following Co. Rd. 18 down through to the swamp area at the present crossing, and the crossing be kept in that area because dis- ruption would be at a minimum; and that a trail be constructed over this area by Northwestern Bell. Garens seconded. DISCUSSION: Kruell asked about information about significant disruption. Soash responded they would hire an engineer to survey and test the lake bottom. He added they needed to go through DNR and watershed district also. t I Minutes - Parks, Recreation and iapproved Natural Resources Commission - 5 - Monday, June 5, 1978 A. Northwestern Bell.......Anderson Lakes (cont'd) Mr. John Gilbertson, representing Northwestern Bell-Easements, spoke to the necessity for easements with a permanent type of work like this, for the purpose of protection. He said the trail would have to be sub- stantial (81) with two manholes. He explained that the size they are talking about does not come in the 2,000 foot length, and they would need special acquisition for a length that would not have to be spliced. Soash explained that the path would have to be constructed more heavily than a bike path because their trucks would have to come through every five years at specified times. Garens called the question, because he felt it was the least expensive, long range approach, and that the Staff and representatives of NW Bell should get together and come back with the plan. VOTE: Motion carried unanimously. Dick Anderson asked specifically how the trucks will turn and other such questions he had. Lambert explained that the Council would need to consider the plan and take the final action. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. 'South Park Site" Fronlo Road and County Road 1 Lambert spoke to serious problems with acquiring parkland under the pre- sent Ordinance. He spoke to limit of five years that the City can enter f: a Contract for Deed, and inability to collect enough "cash park fee" if there is a slight recession and no houses are built, to pay off the land. He explained his second option, where Hustad would give the City the park F land "in lieu of cash park fee". Garens expressed approval on the above option, commenting that this was { a compromise and was a good way to go. s' Dick Anderson felt this situation stressed the need for a park bond referen- dum. Lambert commented that he felt acquisition of community parks and the development of neighborhood parks is$oUl.d be done with a park bond referendum, ,Ule the "cash park fees" were for acquiring land. ds Chairman Anderson called for a ten minute recess at 9:30 PM. B. Shoreland Management Ordinance k' i Lambert pointed out that the Ordinance does not address itself to .the number of docks a person can construct on the lakeshore, and this should be done. Discussion took place on classification of lakes, with Lambert pointing out that Bryant and Riley Lakes fit the criterea for recreational develop- ment lakes according to State guide lines. Minutes - Parks, Recreation and approved Natural Resources Commission - 6 - Monday, June 5, 1978 i B. Shoreland Management Ordinance (cont'd) The consideration of limiting horsepower of boats on Bryant Lake was dis- cussed, because of potential damage to the lake. Tangen pointed out that the amount of boat usuage has dropped dramatically and that very few power boats are ever on the lake. Dick Anderson asked what the lake could withstand. He felt it was unfair if only the residents could use the lake, and since it is public waters, the public should not be restricted from its use. Tangen added that homeowners have maintained the lake, and are the best at it, and that they bought the land and paid the price for land on a lake. He ex- plained that in his opinion there is little erosion of the shoreline, pointing out the various shorelines and the content, He added that he felt the residents would be extremely upset if the lake were limited. Dave Anderson expressed support for the residents because they did purchase their homes on the lake for the purpose of usage of the lake, and asked whether the usuage could be limited to Eden Prairie residents only. Lambert responded that the number of boats can be limited, adding that he feels Bryant and Riley Lakes are recreational type lakes, and you can not make them anything else. The concensus of opinion on the classification of the lakes was that Bryant and Riley Lakes should be classified as recreational development waters. Dick Anderson expressed preference for classifying all of the lakes as natural environment waters, because he felt we could protect them with more restrictions. Garens left the meeting at 10:00 PM. Various comments . were made about content of the Ordinance: it does not address itself to non-residential or commercial usuage; nor to the type of development and restrictions; size of structure - in relation to setback; how far out from the dock can you go; limitations on the amount of boats docked; suggestion was made that one dock per platted parcel be permitted; request was made to find ways of tightening variance procedure; there should be additional setback restrictions for impervious surfaces, such as large areas for constructing parking lots etc.; restrictions should be included for boathouses, fish houses, retaining walls, boat ramps, existing structures (suggested grandfathering them in with no improvements) and storage facilities; and the question of erosion control should be addressed. Dick Anderson summarized concerns of the Commission by pinpointing the major elements creating some damage to the lake - pollution, setbacks and spillage. He added that minimum damage and maximum amount of recreational use is accomplished by restrictions. MOTIONS Tangen moved to table the consideration of this Ordinance until the Staff presents additional recommendations on the questions discussed tonight. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. r' i Minutes - Parks, Recreation and approved Natural Resources Commission - 7 - Monday, June 59 1978 C C. Flying Cloud Tennis Courts i Lambert spoke to his Memo of May 23rd and to inability of MAC to give any written guarantee for any length of time stating there would be no develop- ment on that site. He added that he felt better use of fields can be accom- plished through grants, and asked to consider the subject of tennis court grants for Prairie View and Round Lake Park at this time. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council that the tennis courts at the Flying Cloud Field not be obtained. Dave Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. VII. B. Tennis Court Grants - Prairie View and Round Lake Park Lambert spoke to his Memo of June lst and to notification that our applica- tion for F.Y. 1978 Outdoor Athletic Court Development Grant fees is being funded through the State for 50% of the total cost of development. He spoke further to adding volley ball courts and basketball courts, with no lighting because of problems that usually occur. Fifield asked about wind screens for the tennis courts. Lambert responded that they are very costly, and easily destroyed, and the City cannot afford to install f them. `. Kruell suggested a good plan would indicate a tree screen around the courts for I cooling and shade purposes. i MOTION: Kruell moved to accept the Staff recommendation for four tennis courts, 1 two at Round Lake, two at Prairie View, unlighted, pending the discussion with the State Planning Agency. Fifield seconded, motion carried unanimously. Kruell added that if the money can be used for volley ball and baskeball area, he would favor that use. Lambert asked whether Commissioners felt four tennis courts will have more use than volley ball and basketball games. Dave Anderson suggested converting to tennis courts if the use demanded it. VI. D. Development Proposal Checklist Kruell suggested minor changes with respect to Edenvale park, designation of minimum - maximum distance to center of the park;&designation where the"cash park fee" will be applied. i Lambert explained that the entire City will be mapped out for neighborhoods being served by the parks. He spoke to direction by the Council and our need to know what neighborhood contributed to the "cash park fee". Some of the Commissioners felt the "cash park fee" should all go into one fund i to benefit all residents. Minutes - Parks, Recreation .approved and Natural Resources Commission - 8 - Monday, June 5, 1978 C D. Development Proposaj Checklist (cont'd) Dick Anderson suggested an environmental check-off be added. MOTION: Tangen moved to accept Development Proposal Check List of June 2, 1978. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. E. Watershed District Report on Purgatory Creek 101 and 7 Lambert spoke to communication with Mr. Bob Obermeyer of the Watershed District of the affect on the Lower Purgatory Creek area of the channelization of the Creek in the Highway 101 and 7 area, and to his indication that the affect will be minimum downstream. Kruell commented that he felt the damage was already done. No action required. F. 1978Goals Lambert spoke to the goals of the Commission for 1977-78 summarized in report submitted to the Commissioners. C_ Kruell suggested review at the end of the year and incorporation of additional goals referred to in meetings of the Commission. No action required. G. Cash Flow - CASH PARK FEE Kruell spoke to the item, explaining that he would like to see where the"cash park fee" is coming from and where it is going to be utilized. Dave Anderson added that he would like to be able to see how much is spent in an area, and how much is left. Dick Anderson spoke to certain areas in the community that do not havq anv facili- ties and yet have paid for past park bond referendum to purchase land for parks in areas such as Anderson Lakes, Staring Lake and others. Kruell spoke to some areas in the ireserve and Fdenvale that are not part of the original PUD, and may'not have paid the "cash park fee". He requested that this be researched. H. Bike Trail Grants Lambert spoke to the Bike Trail Grants status, explaining that the Council felt we could not get them done this year, because of lack of matching funds and Staff people to work with the question. \ J e Minutes - Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission approved - 9 - Monday, June 5, 1978 H. Bike Trail Grants (cont Idi) Dick Anderson felt the Commission should start considering another park bond referendum, noting the need for money, to provide matching funds to qualify for the various grants. Kruell requested that items H. Bike Trail Grants and I. pgyjelan Policies ons(Trails, neighborhood parka and carried on the Agenda and brought in for discussiongwhen in �new sinforms- tion was available. I. Develop Policies on: To'be carried on agenda. J. Guide Plan Update - Kruell Kruell requested that this Commission be brought up to date on the Guide Plan Update. Lambert responded that it is in the process of reviewal by the Council, and will be sent on to the Commissions with their revisions. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Northwestern Bell R@Ques (previously considered) 1. Building expansion - Kruell Kruell spoke to bids out for a new building by N.W. Bell, and asked whether this was for a new building or for an expansion. Lambert responded that he did not have that information. B. Tennis Court Grants (previously considered) C. EPAA Request - Dick Anderson Dick Anderson spoke to previous request to provide satellite toilets for Prairie View and Forest Hills Elementaries, and that this has not been done. MOTIONS Kruell moved that the Council provide satellite facilities at Prairie View and Forest Hills elementaries because of the substantial number of people using the areas, and the schools are not available. Tangen seconded, motion carried unanimously. VIII. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to adjourn at 11:50 PM. Johnson seconded, motion carried unanimously. ( Respectfully submitted, Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary i AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES C0MMISSION C r MONDAY, JUNE 19, 1978 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, chairperson; David Anderson, Steve Fi.field, William Garens, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell, George Tangen COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 7:35 III. MINUTES OF JUNE 5, 1978 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:40 A. Request from Dan Buechler for Land to be set aside for motor- ized vehicles 7:90 B. EPAA Requests C 8:00 C. Removal of weeds - Riley Lake Park V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS i A. Reports of Commissioners 8:15 1. Super Valu Rezoning Agreement - Tangen B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals 8:35 a. Super Valu Stores Community Commercial 8:55 b. Lake Trail Estates 9:15 2. Potential Neighborhood Park Site - Hidden Ponds Area VI. OLD BUSINESS 9:30 A. Shoreland Management Ordinance 10:00 B. Bike Trail Grants 4 ( 10:15 C. Develop Policies on Trails, Neighborhood Parks, 4 Golfing in Parks VII. NEW BUSINESS A. 10:30 VIII. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED MINUTES IDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JUNE 19, 1978 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, David Anderson, Steve Fifield, Robert Kruell, and George Tangen COMMISSION MEMBERS EXCUSED: William Garens and Robert Johnson COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Director of Community Services Bob Lambert OTHERS PRESENT: Dan Buechler; Dennis Marble, EPAA; Nicholas Mazanyi, Super Valu; John Hissink, Preserve; Steve Young, Architect; and Clifford Swenson II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Addition of VI. D. South Park Site Status - Prairie East - Dave Anderson MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to approve agenda as published and amended. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF JUNE 5, 1978 Lg. 6, para. 2, delete "the public is paying for it and it cannot be restricted." add, 11since it is -public waters, the public should not be restricted from its use.10 Pg. 8, 3rd to last para, sent. 2, delete "Anderson Lakes.", add "land for parks in areas such as Anderson Lakes, Staring Lake and others." Pg. 8, 2nd to last para., delete "and that have not paid the "cash park fee", add "and may not have paid the "cash park fee". MOTION: Kruell moved to approve minutes of June 5, 1978 as published and amended. Dave Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Reauest from Dan Buechler for land to -be- set aside for motorized vehicles Lambert spoke to the petition sent to Mayor Penzel containing signatures of eighty-five young people of the community, requesting that land be set aside for use by motorized vehicles in order to keep the young people off the streets and private property. Dan Buechler, 16251 Westgate Lane, spoke for the young people making the request, explaining that written permission from parents would be necessary, in order to prevent any liability to the City. Lambert responded to question on whether public land was available for such a use, explaining that he has reviewed City owned land and found none to be appropriate. He felt that land,such as an old gravel pit, would be the only i Minutes - Parks, Recreation Aapproved and Natural Resources Commission - 2 - Monday, June 19, 1978 C A. Reauest from Dan Buechler. .. motorized vehicles (cont'd) answer, adding that the noise element would be the main problem. Kruell commented that the Commission recognizes the fact that the young people he a problem of where they can ride, and appreciates their awareness of the damage already done by such vehicles. He suggested organizing a club such as the Snowdrifters Snowmobile Club, and receiving permission from pri- vate landowners to use part of their land, and which was very successfully done by the snowmobile club. r Richard Anderson spoke to the purpose of the Commission to keep much of its land in its natural state and to protect it from development. He spoke further to such vehicles being prohibited in Bloomington, and when Eden Prairie is deve- loped more fully, they will aslo be prohibited in the City. He expressed con- II corn with how the young people would get to the site, if most of them were unlicensed .; drivers. k Buechler responded that their parents would transport them by trailer or by van. He asked how they would go about organizing a club, if they received per- mission from landowners. Richard Anderson responded that when they did find a receptive private owner, s� I this Commission would be happy to help them in any way. C B. UAA Reauests Mr. Dennis Marble, Eden Prairie Athletic Association, spoke to report on EPAA Sports Participation Statistics identifying some of the growth problems we are facing and asked what they can expect in the way of facilities in the near fu- y ture. He pointed out specifically, the added programs for girls and the drastic increase in the soccer enrollment. Lambert spoke to proposed construction at Round Lake and unavailability of the park for 1979. fie inquired what the reason was why the EPAA does not use the soccer facilities more days than on Friday and Saturday. Marble responded that basically they used that schedule in order to allow the kids to participate in more than one sport, and it conflicted with the softball j program. ;Y Various suggestions were discussed for use of fields at Forest Hills, Prairie ` View, and at the Preserve. Dave Anderson suggested that the baseball fences 1' be eliminated for one year at the Flying Cloud fields, in order to have more space for adding soccer fields. Richard Anderson spoke to past liason with EPAA board members, and requested that a representative be present at the first meeting of the month in order to keep up communication and to come up with estimate of their needs as you see increase in amount of activity. C Tangen suggested that the EPAA representative keep Staff informed as to their needs at the earliest time possible, and possibly anticipate that children will not be able to participate in more than one sport. Minutes - Parks, Recreation . ,approved and Natural Resources Commission - 3 - Monday, June 19, 1978 B. EPAA Reauests (cont'd) Marbll explained that it is getting very difficult to get volunteers as more children take part. He asked for suggestions as to where the open spaces are that they could use. He also spoke to the lack of any program for eighth grade children. Richard Anderson spoke to the past interest of the Commission in the programs of EPAA and assured Marble of continued support. C. Removal of weeds - Riley Lake Park Lambert spoke to complaints received from users of the park and residents who live on the lake about the phenomenal growth of weeds in the lake, and the pro- blem, of boats getting stuck in the weeds while being launched, and the concern of the lifeguards of the danger of drowning by'the'pprsons wading out.and'trying to clear the boats. He spoke to local Homeowner's Association's fund for upkeep of the lake, and to approach by the Association to the City for help in financing removal of the weeds, at an estimated cost of $3,000. He spoke further to inspec- tion of the lake by a DNR representative, who felt it was a temporary problem . due to the increase in the water level, and to quotes being received by the City from contractors that remove weeds. Richard Anderson commented that we do have a responsibility to keep the beach clean, since it is public and fees are charged for its use. No action required. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Super Valu Rezoning Agreement - Tangen Tangen spoke to his request and to past request by Kruell to include this item on the Agenda. He gave a brief history of the proposal, and expressed strong opposition to the rezoning agreement regarding dock facilities, on which an amendment was proposed to be added on to at the special Council meeting which, in his opinion, would constitute a structure because of the amount of footage. He spoke to approval by the Planning Commission with the recommendation that no structures be constructed over the lake, and A other official actions which stated no docking facilities would be allowed. He objected to lack of notification of residents and interested parties j that the item would be discussed at the special Council meeting. Richard Anderson noted that the Council was on record that they would noti- fy affected parties when considering Purgatory Creek or any other such' re- sources. n ; MOTIONS The Park, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission of the City r of Eden Prairie recommends to the City Council of Eden Prairie that in Minutes - Parks, Recreation aapproved f and Natural Resources Commission - 4- Monday, June 19, 1978 1. Super Value Rezoning Agreement - Tangen (cont Id) condition 3 of the Planned unit Development and Development Agreement with Super Valu Stores Inc. dated 6/8/78 there be no exception to allow construction of any facility, dock, or structure below the 854' topographic contour. The PR and NR Commission also requests that the Council inform the Commission as to how a change in a development agreement as found in con- dition 3 could be made when it is contrary to all previous recommendations by all Commissions and Council as is present in their approved minutes. Dave Anderson seconded. DISCUSSION: Richard Anderson expressed concern that the Council was not acting consistently, and that it causes difficulty. He pointed out that in the Gelco and Bachman--Anderson proposals, land was dedicated, but in this proposal the City is not getting trails or.dedication,and the residents are being infringed upon. Lambert spoke to the Council's viewpoint that many of the items listed on the rezoning agreement were covered elsewhere, and added that the Shoreline Management Ordinance was placed on the agenda in order to reassure C the residents. Dave Anderson commented that everyone has a different idea of what is reasonable, but he felt that,the concerns expressed by this Commission would be reasonable to most citizens. VOTE: Motion carried unanimously. Kruell pointed out that when issues are reviewed, information is reflected in the minutes, but this new agreement was not made known. MOTIONt Kruell moved that this Commission observes that the point on dock building structure is a new part of the June 8th action and that it should be postponed until further proper review and discussion is held. Richard Anderson seconded. DISCUSSION: Tangen commented that the action has been taken, and does not feel the Council will recognize this request at this time of reviewing and discussing because of the time limitations on the proposal. MOTION was withdrawn, as was second. B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals i a. Super Valu Stores Communit.v Commercial \ Mr. Nicolas Mazanyi, of Super Valu Stores, Inc. spoke to their proposal and to June 12th Planning Commission meeting. He explained that Super Valu would retain ownership of the supermarket after construction. Minutes-Parks, Recreation approved and Natural Resources Commission 5- Monday, June 1% 1978 1. Super Va1.0......Commercial (cont'd) Fifield arrived at 9145 PM. Dave Anderson spoke to 1970 PUD indicating this land as high density residential and asked how it was changed to commercial, whether at the request of the Pre- serve or through the Guide Plan. Mr. John Hissink, Preserve, responded that he was not on the Guide Plan committee, and was not aware of how the change occured. Kruell asked whether 'cash park fee'' application would change, since the zoning was changed from high density to commercial. Lambert responded that the agreement remained the same, that 11cash park feel' would not be required of the Preserve be- ' cause of past dedication to the City. Fie did express concern with the screening and berming plans, because he felt they would have an important effect on the character of the shopping center, Mazanyi explained that they were working with the Staff on this issue. Hissink pointed out trail system and where it will connect through to Anderson Lakes Parkway, noting there is a connection with the Hustad development. Richard Anderson asked where the major bike path trailway was located. Lambert responded that it ran along Franlo, with concrete path on each side of Franlo. He questioned safe access to the Center. Commissioners expressed concern with no provision for pedestrians to get to the Center. Hissink pointed out that the shopping would serve no pedestrians, but only people driving there. He noted that the trails underpass is a dedicated easement to the City at this time, and suggested putting trail on the west or south side. Kruell, speaking to the Prairie Village Mall, felt biking and walking to this area was very minimal. Richard Anderson felt there was much interest in jogging and biking, and there was a tremendous sales market for shoes for these types of activities. i Mazanyi spoke to working with the Highway Traffic Department, and it was their desire to upgrade Co. Rd. 18 and Anderson Parkway, He spoke further to Super Valuts opinion that this intersection was an overwhelming problem, but felt it could be worked out with the total problem. He noted a present study indicating where a signal light was warranted, and that Super Valu plans to come back with 5. '. a more concrete plan to the Planning Commission. �p Richard Anderson spoke to the parking lot, noting the need for more trees and vegetation. Mazanyi responded thatthis is also being discussed with the Staff. s Kruell asked whether the traffic signal was a reality and when it would come about. Lambert responded the City would talk to Bloomington on sharing funds for construc- tion because the southeast quadrant of the Co. Rd. 18/Anderson Lakes Parkway intersection in Bloomington is being considered for commercial uses. r i Minutes - Parks, Recreation tapproved and Natural Resources Commission - 6 _ Monday, June 19, 1978 1. Super Valu.. .. ,.commercial (cont'd) Tangen suggested a pedestrian crossing at a non-congested area with "flashing r ' lightd'and signage noting the crossing. Tangenp. . speaking to lack of separation for bikes and pedestrians, suggested a center area for parking bikes. Mazanyi indicated they could come up with a plan for a collector sidewalk in the lower half of the parking lot, , with plantings. MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to approve the Staff recommendations of June 9, 1978, and that the main.-condition be signalization at the Co. Rd. 18 and And(w son Lakes Parkway intersection because of bike and pedestrian traffic that Will: occur, and the estimated heavy traffic. Tangen seconded. i DISCUSSION: Tangen requested addition to the MOTION: that the construction of the bikeway system from the south be constructed in conformance with the remain- ing Amsden Hill Addition, signalization to include a marked pedestrian bike cross- ing across Anderson Lakes Parkway, and the responsibility for construction of the trail from the Preserve to the shopping center will belong to Super Valu and the w trail to the south of that will be-constructed by the .Preserve. Dave Anderson accepted the ADDITION. PIEMED MOTION: Dave Anderson movedto approve the Staff recommendations of June �- 9, 1978, that the main condition be signalization at the Co. Rd. 18 and Anderson Lakes Parkway intersection, because of bike and pedestrian traffic that will occur and the estimated heavy traffic; that the construction of the bikeway system from the south be constructed in conformance with the remaining Amsden Hill Addition; signalization to include a marked pedestrian bike crossing across Anderson Lakes Parkway; and the responsibility for construction of the trail from the Preserve to the shopping center will belong to Super Valu and the trail to the south of that will be constructed by the Preserve. Tangen seconded, motion carried, with Fifield abstaining. Chairman Anderson called for a ten minute break at 10:15 PM. b. Lake Trail Estates Lambert spoke to the check list and Planning Commission report, and suggested the concern of the Commission be what will happen to the marsh area and working out the trail system, connecting the park with the develop- Richard Anderson felt the road should be next to the park in order to make % it easier to get into the park. Lambert responded that half the cost of con- structing the road would fall on the City, and that the Public Safety Depart- ment expressed concern that there would be too many accesses. Tangen noted there were no provisions on the east side of the development for access to the park. Lambert explained the contour was higher, and also it was the over flow to the marsh area. Minutes - Parks, Recreation approved and Natural Resources Association - 7 - Mondays June 19., 1978 b. Lake Trail Estates (cont'd) Mr. Steve Young, Architect, spoke to the proposal and answered questions from the Commission. Richard Anderson pointed out that the future high school would be located at Round Lake, and speaking to what happens in Bloomington, the kids take the shortest route even if it is through back yards, and felt for practical purposes the road should be next to the park. Kruell felt that houses should be on both sides of the road because of land values and the economics involved. ` P Tangen suggested directing ourselves to both streets in this project, suggest- ing a path on the high side of the swail with a bridge of some type. Mr. Clifford Swenson, Bloomington, spoke to Planning Staff plans to connect the two cul-de-sacs, and that this arrangement was arranged or arrived at as the best for future connection. He added that the easement was given and the intent was to leave the option open at the present time. MOTION: Tangen moved to approve Staff recommendations, with construction of pedestrian or bike path connecting the two cul-de-sacs along easement with a connection to the park, with width and construction of path to be ( determined by Engineering Department. Dave Anderson seconded. Motion carried - With Richard Anderson voting "nay". Richard Anderson commented that he voted against the Motion because of the location of the road, and that you out off the public even more from the park, noting that taking a ride around the park is still one of the -greatest Sun- day afternoon pastimes. Tangen felt that with a road next to the park, you would have the public parking adjacent to peoples homes and that there would also be too many accesses to the park. 2. Potential NeiPhborhood Park Site/Hidden Ponds Area a Lambert spoke to option secured. on Hidden Ponds park site, which terminated in January, 1977, and which hay-be developed soon. He recommended looking for another site, and spoke to Camp Frontier property for sale and another parcel i that is now available as a possible park site. Since Lambert had limited information on the two parcels, he agreed to research the topography and expenditure of the properties in relation to each other. Chairman Anderson left the meeting at 11:00 PM, and turned the meeting over to Kruell. Lambert spoke to four crucial sites, explaining that the Red Rock site was the most critical as far as acquiring land for a park. Minutes - Parks, Recreation Lapproved and Natural Resources Commission -8, - Nbnday, June 19, 1978 2. Potential NeiPhborhood Park Site - Hi.dde Ponds Area (conttd) The concensus of the Commission was to accept the report given by Lambert, and direct the Staff to continue on Agenda and to come up with cost comparison of sites, expenditures, and other points discussed by the Commission. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Shoreland Management Ordinance Continued. B. Bike Trail Grants Continued. C. Develop Policies on Trails. Neighborhood Parks & Golfing in Parks Continued. D. South Park Site Status - Prairie_East - Dave Anderson Lambert spole*b receiving 039,300 from approved projects, with $154,000 (` to be collected in the future. He is recommending 07,500 per acre for twenty acres, using the $39,300 collected as down payment, and with an immediate credit of $101,000. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Majority of Commissioners favored July loth as the next meeting datep because of upcoming holiday. VIII. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Tangeh moved to adjourn at 11915 PM. Fifield seconded, motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary