Parks and Recreation - 05/15/1978 du
1978
MAY 1 , 15
MINUTES
CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND 14ATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
' MONDAY, MAY 1, 1978 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson,
Steve Fifield, William Garens, Robert Johnson,
Robert Kruell, George Tangen
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Coimnunity Services
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Begin Item
7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES OF APRIL 17, 1978 MEETING
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS, AND COMMUNICATIONS
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V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners
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B. Reports of Staff
7:40 1. Guidelines for Reviewing Development Proposals
2. Development Proposals
7:50 a. Prairie East
8:10 b. Tamarac Woods
8:30 c. Hillsborough and Hillsborough Second
8:40 d. Olympic Hills 5th
8:45 e. Olympic Hills Outlot B
8:50 f. Darkenwald Duplexes
VI. OLD BUSINESS
9:00 A. Eden Prairie Stables
C 9:30 B. Anderson Lakes Joint Master Plan
10:30 C. Off Road Vehicles
CEden Prairie Parks, Recreation and -2- May 1, 1978
Natural Resources Commission
VII. NEW BUSINESS
10:45 A. BRW Proposal on Bike Trail County Road 4
11:00 VIII. ADJOURNMENT
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C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
1•IONDAY, MAY 11 1978 7:30 P1✓ CITY HALL
Coln,4iISSION 1-MIBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, David Anderson,
Steve Fifield, William Garens, Robert
Johnson, Robert Kruell, George Tangen
C014I,:ISSION 1AE20ERS ABSENT: None
C01,24YSSION STAFF PRESENT: Director of Community Services Bob Lambert
OTHERS PRESENT: Jim Ostenson, Hustad Development Corp.,
Don Peterson, Edenvale, Glen Lorenz and
1,1r. Lear, Eden Prairie Stables, 14rs. Wm.
Bearman, and residents of Ironwood Court,
Edenvale
II. APPROVAL OF AGENT)A
Addition of: V.B.2.g. Status of Round Lake LAWCON funding — D. Anderson
VI. D. Super Valu — Kruell
If E. Shoreline 1,1anagement Ordinance, — D. Anderson
MOTION: Garens moved to approve agenda as published and amended. Tangen
seconded, motion carried unanimously.
III, 14INUTES OF APRIL 17,_1278 14EETING
Pg. 2, add after para. o, "Kruell asked the Commission, the Council, and
the community -to question whether turning over the operation and land to the
Hennepin County Park Reserve is a wise long term decision, in view of the
recurring political squabbles of the Hennepin County Board. Lambert pointed
out that this is one of the major items to be determined. Several other
Commissioners observed that this method is one way to obtain immediate
development because Eden Prairie does not now have -the funds for improvement."
Pg. 7, last para., last sent., delete "can afford horses", add "could use the
facili.ty."
I,:OTIUN: Kruell moved to approve Minutes of the April 17, 1978 meeting as
published and amended. Johnson seconded, motion carried with Garens and
Fifield abstaining because of absence.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS, A14D C0101UNICATIONS
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V. REC011MIMATIONS AND REPORTS
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A. Renorts of Commissioners
1. None
Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved
Natural Resources Commission - 2 - Mon., May 1, 1978
B. Reports of Staff
1. Guidelines for Reviewing Development Proposals
Lambert spoke to the four items listed in his memo of April 28, 1978
that he felt the PR & NR Commission should be concerned with in develop-
ment proposals. He explained that if a development proposal affects any
of these items he will comment on it, but if none are affected, he would
like to make it a policy to put those proposals on the agenda and give
the Planning Staff Report information on those items. He spoke further
to acceptance of the CASH PARR FEE as usually the only action necessary
on those types of proposals.
Kruell requested the addition to the checklist of: number of units,
number of acres, recreational space requirements, amount of land serving
as water storage area, effect of grading on existing vegetation, and
neighborhood sentiment.
Commissioners were generally in agreement that a checklist would be
useful in reviewing the development proposals.
MOTION: Garens moved to direct the Staff to come back at the next
meeting with a checklist incorporating the four points as stated in
Lambert's Memo of April 28, 1978, and also incorporating suggesttions
by Kruell of: number of acres, number of units, recreational space
requirements, cxraount of land serving as water storage area, effect of
grading on existing vegetation, and neighborhood sentiment. Fifield
seconded.
ADDITION TO MOTION: Tangen requested addition of: how the proposal
conforms with adjacent neighborhood. Garens and Fifield accepted the
addition. Motion carried unanimously.
2. Development Proj-)o sal s
a. Prairie East
Lambert spoke to the revised open space commitment by the Hustad
Development Corporation for the Prairie East 4,5,6,7,8, and 9th
additions, explaining that the new proposal would call for an
extension of the southern mini-park site adjacent to the Orrin
Thompson quads and ext�ind to include single family lot numbers
6, 7, 8, and 9 along Buckingham Drive and would include three
of the Orrin Thompson quads, making this a total of 8.15 acres.
D. Anderson and Tangen expressed concern frith the mini-park
adjacent to the 7th Addition and its maintenance. Lambert res-
ponded that it would be owned by the Homeowner Association and
maintained as a natural area with a trail running through it
connecting it with the Preserve.
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a. Prairie East (cont1d)
Kruell spoke to Commission's recommendation and general agreement that more
smaller sites tend to serve more people,and expressed surprise that it was
back for re-consideration. Lambert pointed out that it was not the Staffs '
recommendation that two small parks would serve better, and spoke to dis-
agreement by the Council and Planning Commission. He spoke to the Council°s i
concern with the proposed open space, indicating that both mini-parks were
of an unusable size and included a good deal of unusable land, and also that
the original PUD was for 95 acres with 7-8 acres of park land, while existing
proposal included 200 acres with only 9.4 acres of open space, much of it
unusable.
Kruell inquired where the closest areas will be serving the 4th through 9th '
Additions and whether the park space proposed will give enough recreational
space as it is supposed to serve. Lambert responded that the 8-10 acre mini-
park, the Preserve park, and eventually the neighborhood park south of Co. Rd. 1
will serve the development. He explained that the mini-park will not serve the
entire area, and that it will be an interim park until the neighborhood park is
developed. y
Kruell felt that underscored the need to have two separate mini-parks. Lambert
was in agreement if they were larger areas, explaining that it was just back
yard space and that the use will encroach into neighbors back yards, and that t
it will be difficult to maintain. '
Garens expressed his opinion that he was in favor of the neighborhood park being
located north of Co. Rd. 1, but could accept the south site if it were more
clearly defined, and the problem approached at this time of safe access for
the residents north of Co. Rd. 1 to the park by means of an over-pass or non-
grade crossing,because of the heavy traffic. Lambert explained that they know
within 25 to 30 ft. where the park will be, and Hustad Development Corp. is
willing to give a letter of intent that indicates that the seller and City
staff have agreed to a proposed 20 acre park site in the northeast quarter of
the northwest qust•ter of section 36. He spoke to access problem being addressed
when Co. Rd. 1 is upgraded, and could not suggest holding up this development
until the road plans are complete.
Anderson expressed concern that the Commission has spent a lot of time and
effort on this proposal without making any progress, and it has been switched
from one site to another. He was not in favor of the southern site for the
park at this time, but felt we should have a total picture of the park before 4
deciding for it. Lambert pointed out that with this proposal we do have five
more acres of park land than previously, and the neighborhood park site is K
pretty well tied down through discussion and agreement between Ostenson and
himself, and that Hustads have agreed to funding through the CASH PARK FEE. } '
Er. Jim Ostenson, Hustad Development Corporation, spoke to the background of
the project and spoke to tho change in -the proposal by cutting the density
Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved
Natural Resources Commission - 4 Monday, May 1, 1978
a. Prairie East (cont'd)
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in half through cutting 553 units to 302 units. He spoke to the PR & NR
Commission and Planning Commission recommendation to put the neighborhood
park south of Co. Rd. 1 because the land was less expensive and contained
more acreage. He spoke of their willingness to give the City a letter of
intent on working with them.
Tangen asked whether a letter of intent was the same as an option. Ostenson
responded that the letter was given until a formal option can be drawn up by
the City Attorney when approvals are received.
MOTION: Garens moved that we recommend to the Council that we accept the
Staff compromise with the developer of the Prairie East 4 through 9th Additions;
that we accept the undeveloped homeowner association owned area adjacent to the
7th Addition; the 8.5 acres adjacent to the lath and 5th Additions for a mini-
park; the neighborhood park to be located south of Co. Rd. 1, with non-grade
crossing to be developed at the tirr:e the road is re-alligned; that the park con-
sist of approximately 2.0 acres located on the knoll of the WE quarter of the NVI
quarter of Section 36; and that an option be taken before approval of this plan.
Kruell seconded.
C DISCUSSION: Tangen questioned the inclusion of development of the crossing
in the motion because this area will not developed for some time, and would
prefer not to have it in the motion. Garens responded that since we are going
to re-allign the road, he would like to see a safe crossing since there will
be 900 units going in the north and south, and would like to keep it in the
motion.
D. Anderson asked about the present allignment plans of Franlo Rd. and Co. Rd. 1.
Ostenson responded that the City Engineering Department had wanted to allign
these road, but he was unsure of the present status of those plans. He spoke
to the feeling that Co. Rd. 1 should be a 35 MPH road, explaining that if the
developments had access to the road, the City could influence Hennepin County
plans.
I1ruell. expressed favor for "the motion, but felt that the two site proposal
best serves more people.
VOTE: The motion carried with a vote of 5-1-1, with Kruell voting °nay", and
Anderson °abstaining°.
b. Tnmarac 'foods
Lambert spoke to tLe proposal, and asked Mr. Don Peterson, Edenvale, to
answer euestions about the path along the creek.
Peterson gave the background of the Creekside Addition approved in 1972,
explaininU that it was approver', as medium density. He spoke to the area
C ol•,ned by the City on a steep hill and to prohibition of any building or
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Minutes - Parks, Rec. and .approved
Natural Resources Commission - 5 - Monday, May 1, 1978
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b. Tamarac T-foods (cont'd)
Peterson explained that the original proposal for Tamarac was as a double
bungalow plan, but residents of Creekside Ct. objected, and the proposal
now is for highly priced single family homes. He felt there should be a
connection between the north and south area, and even if there has been
some opposition,he feels it is too beautiful an area to serve only a few
homeowners. He spoke to: his plans for a pathway system in the northwest
area, and his intention of some nature trails in this area, but the plan
is changed because of appearance of need for bikeway/hikeway paths. Iie
spoke to opposition by Ironwood Court residents of having paths through 1
their addition.
Anderson suggested looking at Edenvale's total trail system, but that time
was not available tonight. Peterson responded that he would like to resolve
the pathway problem in the total picture of paths.
LOTION: Kruell moved to direct the Staff and developer to meet and formu-
late an overall trailway/bikeway/bikeway policy for that particular area.
Garens seconded, and requested ADDITION TO THE MOTION: That he would like
to attend the meeting as the representative of this Commission. Kruell
accepted the addition, motion carried unanimously.
Johnson suggested that all Commissioners look at this.
Peterson requested action on the proposal, except for the path, to enable
them to proceed with the grading.
EOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council the acceptance of the
Staff report of April 28, 1978 on the Tamarac Woods proposal, with the
e:cception that the sidewalk to be built along Edenvale Blvd. be deleted,
and in its place, add that the development of a sidewalk along Edenvale
Blvd. be deferred pendin'; final development of the Edenvale trail system;
and that the covenant for this addition be reviewed. Kruell seconded,
motion carried unanimously.
Peterson presented a petition received from the residents of Iromaood Ct.
opposing a path through their area.
MOTION: Kruell moved to accept the petition received from the Ironwood Ct.
residents and to forward the copy to the Council for further study.
D. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously.
c. Hill_.sborounh and Hillsborough Second
Lambert spoke to the proposals and to Staff recommendations on open space
corunitment and trails. lie responded to general questions on the proposal.
Anderson commented that lie would like to see a proposal by the Preserve
on these developments. Lambert responded that these proposals are the-
outset of the original PUD.
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C. Fillsborourh and Hillsborough Second (cont'd)
MOTION: Garens moved to table Hillsborough lst Addition until the Preserve
comes in with a presentation of how they are going to handle the Creek area.
Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously.
MOTION: Tangen moved to accept the Staff recommendation regarding the
Hillsborough 2nd Addition, along with the contingencies listed in the memo of
April 28, 1978. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously.
VI. OLB BUSIPIESS
A. Eden Prairie Stables
Mr. Glen Lorenz, Eden Prairie Stables, handed out copies of his proposal,
and briefly outlined the 'main points, emphasizing documentation of riding as
recreation. He pointed out that it jaould be good business for the City
because it generates income without any risk to the City or cost to the tax-
payers. He spoke to a highly qualified person they were considering hiring
to teach riding.
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cthe information submitted,rhedwoulddlikeaaychaan further ommented that had been cetollook� u it over
for re-consideration.
(� Lorenz explained that they needed the action tonight, if possible, in order
to proceed with plans of hiring person referred to.
2:OTION: Krue]1 moved that we table the Eden Prairie Stable Lease item until
the ne able to
orb the
sented In order to
Lorenz.beD. Andersonssecondedcforent of the o
meetig ok pre-
the purpose of dis-
cussion.
Garens com-rented that he agreed with the intent of the Motion, and does feel
bad about the possible loss of McCracken, but does feel we should not make a
snap decision.
D. Anderson withdrew his second after questioning Lambert about whether the
Staff recom=endation and recommendation by Lorenz were the same on the grading
of the site and runoff control.
Johnson seconded the MOTION previously
Fifieldy Garensde yand Johnson voting"YaYag Tangen
Lotion carried /+-2-1; � �
and D. Anderson voting llnayfl, and Anderson abstaining.
Lorenz pointed out-that tije lease terminates the end of May, unless it is ex-
tended.
I•:uTION: D. Anderson moved to recemmend to the Council that an extension be
Made on the Eden Pr the1City and leasee. Garens seconded,Stable lease to whatever would e motionsonable time
worked out between carried
unanimously.
Minutes — Parks, Rec. and approved
Natural Resources Commission — 7 — Monday, Nlay 1, 1978
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Chairman Anderson called for a five minute break at 9:50 PM.
2. Develovment ProposalG (cont'd)
d. Olympic Bills 5th
Lambert spoke to his letter of transmittal and to the Planning Staff
report, pointing out that there are no significant decisions we have to
wake other than approval of the Planning staff recommendation.
Johnson left at 10:00 PI!.
Tangen asked whether Olympic Hills was ever considered open space,
notin- the encroachment by development. Lambert explained that he
has never seen it here, and that it's been a private exclusive club.
Anderson commented that the developer is the owner of the golf course,
and he feels the development may be there to carry the course.
Lambert responded to Garen's question of which park site they would use,
e;,-nlnining that the Preserve park to the north and the park on Franlo Rd.
would serve this area.
MOTI0111: Kruell moved to recommend to the Council that the Olympic Hills
5th be approved in accordance with Staff proposal of April 18, 1978 and
that the CASH PARK FEE be applied. Fif ield seconded, motion carried
unanimously.
e. Olympic hills Outlot B
L^robert spoke to the proposal, explaining that it was off of Franlo Rd.
and that it was an outlot in the former PUD.
D. Anderson questioned the trail on the eastern border shown on the map.
Lambert responded that he could not answer that question at this time,
but spoke to upcoming; trail system map.
1,I0TIOPI: Tangen moved to accept and recoirnmend to the Council Olympic Hills
Outlot 3.9with staff recommendations. D. Anderson seconded, motion carried
unanimously.
Garens left meeting at 10:15 PM.
f. Dnrkenwnld Dunleyes
Lambert spoke to the Planning- Staff report on the proposal.
D. Anderson spoke to plan for Anderson Likes Parkway and Preserve Parkway
to become four lane pnrIz-tayz, and e,,-pressed concern for access across those
parkways for residents. Lambert responded that he has not addressed this
yet withthe Planning Department, but the policy has been that concrete side—
wnli-cs on both sides of collector stroots are recommended, mainly for bike
traffic. IIe agreed blare is a need for finding out where the cross overs
will be.
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I—anutes - Parks, Rec. and approved
Natural Resources Cor,unission - 8 - 1�bnday, May 1, 1978
f. Darkenwald Duplexes (contfd)
Kruell suggested incorporating them into the trail system for Eden Prairie.
D. Anderson asked what the status of NeillLake was and what was the ulti-
mate purpose as far as PR & NR Commission was concerned. Anderson res-
ponded that it was a private lake owned by the Preserve, and was set up
as a wildlife area.
110TION: Fifield moved to accept the Darken-rald Duplexes proposal with
the staff recommendations. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously.
Chairman Anderson left at 10:30 R-, turning over the chair to-Vlee-
-Ohairnan KruelI
g. Status of Round Lake LAWCON funding - tabled until next meeting.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. Eden Prairie Stables (Previously considered)
B. Anderson Lakes Joint Master Plan
MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend that we defer action on the Joint
Master Plan, and that this item be continued to the early part of our
Cl next agenda, or to a special meeting. D. Anderson seconded, motion
carried unanimously.
C. Off Road Vehicles
MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend acceptance of the Staff report with
the addition requested by Anderson that signs be posted on entry roads
to the City that state: . "Ordinances governing off road vehicles are
enforced". D. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously.
D. Ls E. tabled until next meeting.
VII. IM.-I BUSINESS
A. BMI Pror,osal on Bike Trail. County Road 4
Lambert spoke to this item as an information item, with no action required.
VIII. ADJOUILIZIE'NT
MOTION: Tangen moved to adjourn at 10:45 P2-I, Kruell seconded, motion carried
unanimously.
Rospectfully submitted,
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Donna Stanley,
Recording Secretary
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION '
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MONDAY, MAY 15, 1978
7:30 P.M., CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson,
Steve Fifield, William Garens, Robert Johnson,
Robert Kruell, George Tangen
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
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Begin Item
7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA i
III. MINUTES OF MAY 1, 1978 MEETING
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
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V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
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�. A. Reports of Commissioners l
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B. Reports of Staff
1. Development Proposals
7:45 a. Hillsborough I
8:00 b. Norman Addition
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8:15 2. Anderson Lakes Joint Master Plan
8 :30 3. Eden Prairie Stables
9:15 4. Shoreland Management Ordinance
VI. OLD BUSINESS
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B.
�. VII. NEW BUSINESS
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10:00 VIII. ADJOURNMENT
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( EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, MAY 15, 1978 7:30 PM, CITY HALL
COMMISSION MDB�RS PRFSENTs Chairman Richard Anderson, David Anderson,
Steve Fifield, William Garens, Robert
Johnson, Robert Kruell and George Tangen
COMMSSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None
COMMISSION STAFF PRESENTS Director of Community Services Bob Lambert
OTHERS PRESENTS Lee Johnson, Preserve; Glen Lorenz and
Burt Lear, Eden Prairie Stables
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTIONS Garens moved to place all unfinished items of an agenda under
BUSINESS of the next agenda. Tangen seconded, motion carried unanimously.
Additions were: VI.A. S-Qne VaLu - Kruell
" B. Development Proposal Check List - Kruell
11 C. Status of LAWCON funds at Round Lake - Dave Anderson
MOTIONS Tangen moved to approve agenda as amended and published. Garens
seconded, motion carried unanimously.
III. MINUTES OF MAY 1. 1978 MEETING
Pg. /+, para. 6, delete "but objected to the play area in the north section
because it makes access difficult for too many people"; add "but felt that the
two site proposal best serves more people".
Pg. 7, para. 1, sent. 3, delete "accept"; add "other than".
Pg. 7, insert "Garens left meeting at 10s15 PM." after para. 3 of 01MMIc Hills
Outlot B.
MOTION-. Garens moved to approve minutes of May 1, 1978 meeting as amended
and published. Fifield seconded, motion carried unanimously.
IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. None
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of C+omml ssiioner9
1. None.
Minutes - Parks, Rec. and ,approved
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B. Reports of Staff j
1. Development Propoggla
a. Hillsborough I
Lambert spoke to the motion by the Commission to table this proposal
until a representative of the Preserve appears to answer questions on
the treatment of the Purgatory Creek area.
Mr. Lee Johnson, Preserve, spoke to their understanding of the transi-
tion zone as the area that you could not grade or build, and spoke to
their compliance with these recommendations.
Dick Anderson spoke to some of the first development along Purgatory
Creek and the restrictions as to what was allowed in the conservancy
and transition zones. He felt there should be restrictions against
such things as dog pens, tin sheds and garbage receptacles.
Mr. Johnson pointed out that it will be difficult to make out a realis-
tic list, but he is willing to go along with the intent.
The question of what happens in a conservancy and transition zone was
discussed, with general agreement that in the conservancy zone, the
C_ land is kept in its natural state and then blending into the developed
area, which is then the transition zone.
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Tangen asked about a policy on fences for the Creek area. Dick Anderson
responded that provisions were made at Edenvale and Anderson Lakes for
appropriate fencing.
Fifield asked whether any of the back lot yard lines reach into the
conservancy zone. Mr. Johnson answered affirmative.
Dave Anderson spoke to the covenant restrictions and construction guide
lines required by the Preserve. Mr. Johnson was unsure whether this
situation would be covered under those restrictions.
MOTION: Garens moved to direct the Staff to review the Creekwood
development's restrictions (Edeavale) and the covenants referred to
by Dave Anderson, and that a mutual list of restrictions be prepared
between Mr. Johnson and the Staff for the next meeting. Kruell seconded.
DISCUSSION: Garens commented that it was the intent of his motion
to set some policy for consistency.
Lambert pointed aut that the Council is looking for approval or denial
of a project and what direction should be taken.
Kruell commented that he would like to see the list before voting on
the proposal, and he feels the proposal is inconsistent with the
Purgatory Creek Study.
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a. Hillsborough I (cont'd)
AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION: Garens moved to amend the motion to include that
this Commission approves the Hillsborough I proposal, and that the joint
agreement to be reached between the Staff and Mr. Johnson, or the Preserve,
be no more restrictive than present Creekwood restrictions and the Preserve
covenants. Motion and .second :were,:.withdrawn.
Mr. Johnson spoke to the two readings by the Council and the opportunity by
the Commission to disapprove if the restrictions are not satisfactory.
Lambert explained that this proposal was not inconsistent with the Purgatory
Creek Study, and the only restrictions set forth are the strict enforcement
of setbacks and controlled access.
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MOTION: Garens moved to recomend to the Council, the approval of Hillsborough I,
with the understanding that the Staff and Mr. Johnson, representing the Preserve,
meet to work out plans for the conservancy and transition zones that will comply,
but not be more than, the restrictions set forth by the Preserve's covenant and
at the Creekwood development, Edenvale; and-to be brought back to the Commission
before the second reading by the Council. Dick Anderson seconded, s
DISCUSSION: Dick Anderson spoke to "visual alterating encroachment" as defined
in the Purgatory Creek Study, and asked whether there was any dedication included
in the proposal. Lambert responded that the developer is responsible for the
transition zone and must justify his plans for the area. He added that Outlot A
would be dedicated and they would pay the "cash park fee".
Kruell asked whether check sheet will identify problems such as this. Lambert
was unsure, but agreed that we could aok the question on whether other projects
done at Purgatory Creek were consistent with proposals brought in for consider-
ation.
VOTE: The motion carried, David Anderson, Garens, Johnson, Kruell and Tangen r
voted "aye"; Dick Anderson and Fifield voted "nay".
Dick Anderson objected to the motion because he felt we should not approve the
proposal until we know what we are giving them approval to do.
b. Norman Addition
Lambert spoke to the proposal located off of Duck Lake Trail and to the Planning
Staff report of May 3, 1978, explaining that the two major Commission concerns,
the pedestrian circulation and "cash park fee" have been addressed and that he
had no further additions or comments.
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Tangen asked whether the bike trail along Duck Lake Road would be continuous
or would there be gaps. Lambert spoke to the Bikeway/hikeway Task Force Report
and to designation of Duck Lake Trail as a spinal trail, and that eventually
the City will buy the land needed to fill in the gaps along the trail.
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Minutes - Parks, Rea. and :approved
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b. Norman Addition (cont'd)
Commissioners expressed concern for the durability of the asphalt
constructed trails and the present width of the concrete trails now
required by the City: = Lambert responded that the main trails could
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be 81, and the trails leading to those trails could be 51.
MOTION: Kruell moved to recommend approval of the Norman Addition to
the Council, in accordance with the Staff Report of May 3, 1978, with 4,
the exception that the trail along the south side of the project be
8' wide. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously.
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3. Eden Prairie Stables
Chairman Anderson requested that Commissioners direct comments to the pro-
posal, and asked Mr. Lorenz, Eden Prairie Stables, for any last comments.
Lorenz questioned point no. 12 of the memo regarding the construction of
a 34'x 200' addition•when leasing fees would amount to the estimated construc-
tion costs, explaining that the high rate of inflation in construction would a..
prohibit the building of the addition for fifteen years. He spoke to direction t '
by the Council last year to make the operation worthwhile, and to approval by
Minneapolis and Metro Council for such a facility.
Tangen expressed concern with the location of the riding trails, and objected G
to trails along the lakewhore. Lorenz responded that they did not want trails
along the lakeshore.
Lambert spoke to the two most significant points of the proposal: estimate '
of $27,000 to build the addition and the 0700 per month rental fees over a
ten year period, which would retire debt service.
Kruell questioned what percentage of Bryant Lake Park the present stable and
proposed horse trails cover. Lorenz responded approximately 20%.
Tangen asked whether the sleigh rides on the lake during the winter months
would take place. Lorenz assured the Commissioners that this had been dis-
continued, and usually that only happened at livery stables.
MOTION: In an effort to help move the question along, he moved to recommend ;
to the Council the sale of the approximately 20% of the present land in
Bryant Lake Park for a sum not less than $2,000,000, with the land to be used
as stables for a riding operation. The motion died for the lack of a second.
Kruell felt that this operation should be privately operated, and that use by
only 1.4% of the population further emphasized this point. � .
Dick Anderson pointed out that canoe, bike and horse rentals were allowed in
state parks throughout the country. Kruell felt there was a differencein the
c• type of lease required in that type of operation than what we are considering +
presently.
Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved
Natural Resources Commission - 5 - Monday, May 15, 1978
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3. Eden Prairie Stables (cont'd)
Garens expressed reservation on the amount of rental received by the City
as proposed, and felt it was not adequate. l
Dave Anderson asked what the cost of constructing the addition would be.
Lorenz responded that $27,000 would construct the shell, and that $18,000
was needed for the inside.
Lambert added that the major work would be the grading, which would be done }.
at the time the trails were put in. ,
MOTIONt Kruell moved to recommend to the Council that a one year lease
agreement be drawn up in June, 1978, after which time all stable operations
will cease. Dick Anderson seconded for the purpose of discussion. �.
DISCUSSION: Kruell explained that the one year would give the operators time
to phase out of the operation, and that the reason for recommending ceasing
of the project was because of the minimum rate of profit on the invested
dollar of public monies, and providing an incompatible use of public land. ?,
Garens suggested that the Staff come up with a fair return to the City.
Lambert responded that a few years ago when the City first advertised for
operators, the best offer was $480, and that there are not too many people
who want to come in at that price. r
Dick Anderson expressed dissatisfaction with the financial arrangement, referring
to the improvement needed in the run off situation and the deterioration of the
property in ten years. He favored a restriction on pollution, with loss of the
lease for violation of the restriction.
Commissioners favored more study by the Staff on how to make the project more
financially feasible, and the addition of an escalator clause to handle the
rate of inflation. The shortening of the lease to five years was also a point
of agreement.
VOTEtMotion was defeated with a vote of 1-6; Kruell "aye"s others "nay".
MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to accept the staff recommendation for the renewal
of the lease on the Eden Prairie Stables on all points except no. 12, inserting
that the City proceed to construct the facility, if it can be done for less than i.
$45#000, and to finance with the use of industrial bondsp and that lease be
limited to five ears at $700 !'
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the remaining five years. Fifield seconded.
DISCUSSIONi Tan en was concerned with the escalator clause `
g , suggesting a three
year lease, at which. time the lease be renegotiated, considering the factors of
inflation etc..
Lorenz felt that increases in the lease would hurt the people using the stables.
He assured the Commission that they would help stabilize operations. He pointed
( out that they are providing services to Eden Prairie and to the Metro area. He
felt inflation would increase by the City increasing their prices.
Minutes - Parka, Rea. and approved
Natural Resources Commission 6 - Monday, May 15, 1978
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3. Eden Prairie Stablgj1 (cont1d)
Kruell expressed concern with the insurance policy, in addition to his
other concerns.
VOTE: Motion was withdrawn.
MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to advise the Council that we are in favor of
the operation and recommend acceptance of the Staff recommendation,except
for items nos. 6 and 12 and the 2nd sentence of para. 3, dealing with the
length of lease and rental fee per month, and that these items be worked
out between Staff, Council, City Attorney and the operators of the stable;
that we recommend an expenditure not to exceed $45,000 to construct the
addition; restrictions against • pollution along Bryant hake, Purgatory
Creek and Nine Mile Creek; moving back of fence lines as recommended by the
Staff,that the land may be acceptable for public purposes; and recommendation
for five year option. Fifield seconded. Motion carried, with a•vote of 1-6,
Kruell casting the dissenting vote.
MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council that consideration be given
to the construction and completion of this building, noting past discussion,
and to consider financial feasibility as covered in lease. Garens seconded,
motion carried, with Kruell voting "nay". 10
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incorporated into the agreement. Garens seconded, motion carried,with Kruell
voting "nay".
Chairman Anderson called for a ten minute break at 9:50 PM.
2. Anderson Lakes Joint Master Plan
Lambert spoke to his memo of April 28, 1978 and recommendations by the Staff
for changes to the proposed Master Plan. He spoke to present suggestion by
the Joint plan that Anderson Lakes be a sub station, rather than a major nature
center. He felt that the area contained enough wildlife and natural features,
and was different enough from the Hyland Park Reserve, to require its own nature
center, but could be operated Jointly.
Garens recommend that the Hennepin County Park Reserve Staff personally look
at the area, in order to have an understanding of the park.
Iembert spoke to Hennepin Couhty Staff and to Bloomington and their comments
on the plan. He felt the Hennepin County Park Reserve could operate the systems
better than the City of Eden Prairie, because they have the funds.
Kruell objected to turning Anderson Lakes Park over to the Hennepin County Park
Reserve system, because it would result in the loss of control by Eden Prairie,
and suggested the use of their Staff, while retaining the park, even though it
might mean prolonging development of the park.
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Minutes - Parks, Rec. and .approved
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2. Anderson Takes Joint Master Plan (cont')
Lambert explained that the City would develop the park with the same funds,
from Metro Council, as the County would, but the problem arises in Staffing
the park.
Dick Anderson expressed approval for the Hennepin County Park Reserve system,
and felt it would not make sense to have three different park systems involved
in one area.
Johnson commented that he has worked with some of the Staff people at the
County, and agreed that it was a good park system.
Dave Anderson asked how much longer it would take if we were to develop the
park its opposition to this plan. Lambert said that final acquisition was
scheduled for 1981, according to the plan, and pointed out that the City Staff
would have to°piecemeal" the planning.
Fifield asked whether the County would follow the guide lines developed by
Les Blacklock. Dick Anderson spoke to the Carver and Eastman Nature Centers
and how the plans were followed. He requested that an advisory board be
formed to provide input, and to meet with the County and Bloomington Staff.
Dick Anderson turned over the chair to Vice-Chairman Garens.
MOTION: Dick Anderson moved to recommend the Staff report to the Council
including the following pointst the main center retain its name of Blacklock
Nature Center and be considered equal with the Richardson Center; north and
south hook-up trails be provided; Co. Rd. 18 should be a limited access arterial
road, rather than a four lane freeway system; and that an advisory board be
formed made up of Eden Prairie, Bloomington and Hennepin County Park Reserve
for the purpose of providing input to the development and management of the
park. Fifield seconded.
DISCUSSION: Kruell expressed agreement with the development of the park, but
disagreed with turning over the control of the land to the County, because he
felt it gave the County control over use of development money.
Dick Anderson spoke to the recommendations by the people living in this area
and their desire that the Co. Rd. 18 not be a free-way type road, and he felt
Eden Prairie has been fairly successful in preventing this.
Lambert explained that the City will be able to approve what happens here,
and if we approve the Joint plan, nothing can be changed unless all parties
agree to the changes.
VOTE: Motion carried, with Kruell voting "nay".
Garens turned the chair back over to Chairman Anderson.
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Minutes - Parks, Rea. and approved
Natural Resources Commission - 8 - Monday, May 15, 1978
B.4, Shoreland Management Ordinancg
Lambert spoke to minor corrections, and Commissioners noted changes on
their copies.
Fifield left the meeting at 10:50 PM.
The re-classification of all lakes in Eden Prairie to Natural Environmental
Waters was discussed. Lambert spoke to meeting with Staff at the DNR, and
it is his understanding that we must justify any recommendations using the
DNR criteria for classification of public waters.
Dick Anderson felt that it was the prerogative of-the City to set their own
guidelines, or take the guide lines put out by DNR. He spoke to giving the
lakes maximum protection, and if th; causes hardship, they can apply
for a variance.
Tangen pointed out that if the setbacks are too restrictive, the Council will
have to deal with many variances.
Dick Anderson took a concensus of how the lakes should be classified. The
majority ofCommissionere agreed as one classification, with Garens and Tangen
as each one of the three.
MOTION: Kruell moved to table the Shoreland Management Ordinance until the
next meeting. Dick Anderson seconded, motion carried,with Garens voting "nay«.
Chairman Anderson asked for a motion to adjourn at 11335 PM.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
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A. Super Yalu - Kruell �f
Kruell requested being informed of any changes in data on proposals 4'
we have acted upon, so the Commission can inform the Council whether r:
we object or concur with the findings.
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B. Development Proposal Ch$ck Sheet - Kruell
Tabled.
C. Statma of LAWCON nds at Round Lake - Dave Anderson s
Tabled.
VIII. AAPJOURNMENT
Garens moved to adjourn at 11:40 PM. Tangen seconded, motion carried unanimously.
Respectfully submitted,
�. Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary