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Parks and Recreation - 04/17/1978 1978 APRIL .3-. .. 10 .15 17 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE .ram AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, APRIL 3, 1978 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell , George Tangen COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF MARCH 6, 1978 MEETING IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:40 A. Letter from George and Carolyn Milkovich 7:45 B. Letter to City of Bloomington on Storm Sewer Improvement 7:50 C. Letter from Eden Prairie Racquetters Requesting Court Time C7:55 D. Letter from Jeanne Phillips, Education Program Director, on Eden Prairie in Action 8:00 E. Letter from George T. Kissinger - Purgatory Creek V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 8:05 1. Hennepin County Park Reserve - Joint Master Plan B. Reports of Staff 8:15 1. Community Gardens 8:25 2. Softball 8:35 3. Summer Playgrounds 4. Development Proposals 8:45 a. Super Valu 9:00 b. Prairie East 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 { 9:15 c. Hillsborough 1st and 2nd Addition 9:45 d. Raven Ridge 9:55 e. Pheasant Oaks Parks, Recreation and Natural -2- Mon. , April 3, 1978 Resorts Commission 10:05 5. Joint Use Agreement on Tennis Courts with School District 10:15 6. Status of Park Construction for 1978 10:25 7. Tennis Court Proposal for Flying Cloud 10:35 8. Cash Flow Sheet/CASH PARK FEE VI. OLD BUSINESS 10:45 A. Hennepin County Chipping Site 10:55 B. Public Property Reforestation Bids 11:05 C. Tree Planting Parks VII . NEW BUSINESS 11 :15 A. Arbor Month Celebration - Naming City Tree 11:25 B. Golfing in Parks 11:45 VIII. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, APRIL 3, 1978 7:30 PM, CITY HALL MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, David Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell, and George Tangen h MEMBERS ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Robert Lambert, Director of Community Services Sandy Werts, Recreation Supervisor OTHERS PRESENT: Bruce Brill, Eden Prairie Racquetters; Robert Dill, Super Value; and Richard Putnam, Hustad Development Corporation II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA The following items were added: V.B.9. Eden Prairie Stables VI.D. Status o_f Goals - Kruell E. Off Road Vehicles - Garens F. Access to BrV nt Lake with reference to H.v. 494 - Anderson VII.C. Purgatory Creek with reference to Hvs 7 and 101 project - Kruell C_ MOTIO14: Garens moved to approve the agenda as amended and published. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. Chairman Anderson ruled to interrupt the meeting at 11:00 PM to call for a motion for either continuation or adjournment. r III. MINUTES OF MARCH 6. 1978 Pg. 10, last para., clarify sentence to read "Kruell spoke to the major goals of the Commissior. for 1977, and asked that the status be decided upon at the next meeting." MOTION: Tangen moved to approve the minutes of the meeting of March 6, 1978 as published and amended. Fifield seconded, motion carried unanimously. s• IV. PETITIONS„ REQUESTS AND COMtviUNICATIONS C. Letter from Eden Prairie Raccupttern Requesting Court Time Mr. Bruce Brill, Eden Prairie Racquetters, spoke to his letter requesting .X court time for play and organized activities on Sundays - 4 to 6 PM; one X weekday - 7:30 to 9:00 PM; and additional time every other Saturday - 9 to 10 AM � and 10 to 12 AM to provide a home court in order to participate in the Minnesota Valley Tennis League. He acknowledged the pressure for use of the courts, but asked the Commission to help provide some organized play for Eden Prairie resi- dents. Minutes — ;Parks, Recreation and .approved Natural Resources Commission — 2 — Monday, April 3, 1978 Lambert responded to questions about whether any additional courts would be constructed this summer by the City, explaining that he would not count on tiny because of the various reasons for delay in construction of the r Round Lake courts, and that he felt a lease should be required for more than one year if any courts were to be agreed upon on the Flying Cloud fields. ' t Garens clarified the past position of the Commission regarding the exclusion of children using the courts on the weekends, and requested that the Commission agree to the request being presented. Chairman Anderson expressed support for the request, but felt it would be difficult because of the limited amount of courts and great numbers of people f who want to use them. t i•� Lambert questioned the 4-6 PM time slot request on Sunday, explaining that he felt there was less pressure on the courts at 12,to 2 PM. Brill responded that Church services were held at that time in the pavillion, and it did not seem appropriate to be using the courts at that time. Tangen commented that this was an open group, since anyone was allowed to play, " and he did not see any conflict with the reservation of time since it was done in this manner for the ball diamonds. MOTION: Tangen moved to accept the request by the Eden Prairie Racquetters to reserve four tennis courts from 4 — 6 PM on Sundays beginning the last Sunday of May and ending the first Sunday in September (anyone can play); two courts t ; on a weeknight for drills or lessons at 7:30 to 9 PM; and to defer action on 4 the request for time on Saturdays until it can be demonstrated that allocation ° of this time would not be detrimental to the rest of Eden Prairie tennis efforts. ' Fifield seconded, motion carried, with Kruell casting the dissenting vote. F IV. A. Letter from_Georpe and Carolyn_ Milkovich Lambert spoke to the letter received from Mr. and Mrs. Milkovich regarding their concern with the proceedings of the Hennepin County Department of Public Works to establish the CSAH 18 corridor as a location for a major four—lane s freeway and river crossing and what they feel would have a disastrous effect on Anderson Lakes Park. Garens agreed that the Commission should be looking at these questions in our meetings and expressed concern with the area by Anderson Lakes and Tierney foods. Ohairman Anderson expressed the need to update trails for this area also. Fifield reeuested that the Staff send a letter of appreciation for the interest and concern shown by Mr. and Mrs. Milkovieh. B. Letter to Oity-of Bloomington on Storm Sewer -Irfilorovement Lambert spoke to the City's response to the City of Bloomington on the pro— posed storm sewer project brought to the Commission by Fritz Rahr at the last Oommission meeting. r, I4inutes - Parks, Recreation .approved and Natural Resources Commission - 3 - Monday, April 3, 1978 C D. Letter from Jeanne Phillips Education Proizram Director, on Eden Prairie in Action Werts spoke to past participation in the form of a presentation on potential neighborhood parks, and suggested a general display for 'this year,but felt staffing would be a problem. MOTION: Tangen moved that this Commission not participate in the Eden Prairie in Action event this year. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. E. Letter from George T. Kissinaer - Purgatory Creek Lambert spoke to follow-up letter sent by Mr. George T. Kissinger regarding his concerns expressed at the Public Hearing. MOTION: Garens moved to recommend to the Council that the Staff be instructed that in future public hearings concerning the neighborhood sectors of Purgatory Creek, the residents living along the creek and also rest- dents living in the neighborhood be advised of the meeting. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS C. A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Hennepin County Park Reserve - Joint Master Plan Lambert spoke to request by Hennepin County and City of Bloomington to be present when this item is considered by the PR & NR Commission. The committee previously organized to study the Joint Master Plan agreed to meet on April 7th at 3330 PM, at City Hall. D. Anderson arrived at 8:20 PM. B. Rerorts of Staff 1. Community Gardens Werts spoke to her memo of March 31, 1978 presenting the program, and to the gardening class being offered through the Hennepin County Extension. 2. Softball Werts spoke to the organizational meeting held on softball and to the need for volunteers from the Commission to serve on the Rules and Protest Committee. MOTION: Garens moved to recommend that Dave Anderson and Krue11 be appointed to serve as representatives of the PR & NR Commission on the Rules and Protest Committee. i � I i Minutes — Parks, Recreation and approved Natural Resources Commission — 4 — April 3, 1978 1 3. Summer Playgrounds Werts spoke to her memo of March 31, 1978, explaining that this year should be looked at as a transitional type year because of the Year , Round School situation. MOTION: Garens moved to adopt memo of March 31, 1978 from Werts.,in view of the programs of a modified Year Round School system that she has to work with. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. 4. Development F-ronosals a. Suter Value Mr. Robert Dill, representing Super Value, gave a slide presentation of the planning process undergone by Super Value to determine the best site, building configuration, parking facilities and etc.. He spoke to their efforts to meet with the neighbors to receive their input.He stress— ed conformance of the proposed Planned Unit Development with the 1968 Guide Plan and the Major Center Area Planned Unit Development, explaining that Super Value is only requesting one change to the original PUD, and that is to change 35 acres from housing to office zoning. Fifield inquired about the landscaping plans intended for the area. Dill responded that they are proposing sod around building and parking, with the remainder left in its natural state or with added plantings. He explain— ed that new plantings would be put in between parking spaces, stepping up the hill to soften impact of parking lots. Dill responded to questions on Super Valuets expansion plans. He explained that one expansion was planned for about 1985, and if any new buildings had to be built they would go through entire procedure of approval from the 1 City Council and Commissions. ' Tangen spoke to neighborhood input of concern that this building would be J a very large structure to be placed that close to a lake that is used for recreation and the effect it would have on people across the lake. He spoke further to the possibility of a-change in designation of the lake to the Natural Environment Lake classification, requiring a 1502 setback from the high water line. Dill stressed that efforts had been made to minimize impact on the lake, referring to the wall of glass effect and the"stepping back" by floors away from the lake. He explained they were asking for a variance on the height of the building from 351 to 461. The question of dedication of open space as scenic easements for the pur— pose of preservation was discussed. Dill assured the Commission that areas designated as open space in the original PUD will be the same, and spoke to �. the levels of control through DNR, :•latershed District and Planning Commission over any further changes. { Minutes - Parks, Recreation. :approved and Natural Resources Commission - 5 - Monday, April 3, 1978 a. Super Value (cont''d) In response to question by Kruell on how proposal ties in with the park system, Lambert referred to Community Service Staffs recommendations of dedication in Supplement report of I,,arch 23, 1978. he spoke to his con- cern with the effect the building will have on the view of the people living on the lake and said he sensed that this type of building would have less of an effect than multiple housing would. Kruell expressed concern over the lack of an overall plan for the 140 acres purchased by Super Value. Dill explained that Super Value originally wanted to buy only part of the site, but decided to purchase the entire site for pur- poses of control, and that nothing is proposed for the remaining acres. Garens spoke to the provision for a trail connecting with land across Hy. 494 in the original PUD and noted that the present proposal does not include this provision. r Dill explained that because of the erosion caused by trail bikes etc. and with the security problem it would cause, Super Value is opposed to a trail system through the area. He added that they would be in favor of permiting enough land along Co. Rd. 60 for a trail. Chairman Anderson spoke to the trail system envisioned by the Commission �y such as used in Minneapolis around the lakes, and felt that such a system would be the best we could do for the residents of Eden Prairie. MOTION: Kruell moved to recommend to the Council that the Super Value project as proposed be suspended uat11 the trail problem, various items of land dedication, and encroachment into regulated zones are resolved. Garens seconded. DISCUSSION Johnson commented that he did not know how we could improve on the trail system. Tangen felt that Super Value had done a lot of work trying to meet with the local homeowners and that the plan was accepted by those people. He felt that we should not suspend the proposal but recommend approval because the basic concept was good, but that the Commission should express its feelings about the provisions. Kruell commented that he would have made a motion of approval with provisions if they had had enough time to think about the proposal. Dill spoke to information being available since February 27th and that nothing new has been added. fie pointed out that a comprehensive trail system is not presently available in Eden Prairie. 111r. Richard Putnam, Hustad Development Corporation, spoke as former City Planner for Eden Prairie, commenting that there has been much contact by Super Value ( with the City Staff, and office zoning across from a regional park was desir- able. i Minutes - Parks, Recreation and approved Natural Resources Commission - 6 - Monday, April 3, 1978 c� a. Super Value (Contrd) Kruell felt that the problem may be because of recent Staff change-overs, and spoke to on-going list of projects and lack of meetings. ROLL CALL VOTE: The motion carried 4-3. R.Anderson - "aye" Tangen - "nay" Kruell - "aye" Johnson - "nay" Garens - "aye" D.Anderson - "nay" Fifield - "aye" MOTION: Garens moved to hold a special meeting to have Super Value indicate where the trail will go and to speak to other points requested by Kruell. Motion died for the lack of a second. MOTION: Tangen moved that we recommend to the Council that in any proposal by Super Value, dedication of land for a trail easement along Co. Rd. 60 be included in the re-zoning agreement. D. Anderson seconded, motion carried with Kruell casting the dissenting vote. b. Prairie East 5 6, 7. 8. and 9 Mr. Richard Putnam, Hustad Development Corporation, spoke briefly to the three Prairie East Additions aready approved and under construction, and to the remaining Additions. He spoke further to their proposal of two mini park sites of 4.3 acres located in the 7th Addition and 4 acres adjacent to the proposed 4th and 5th Additions to be dedicated to the City, and to be graded and seeded by Hustad Development Corp.. He added that they have met with the residents, and this is what they want. Commenting on the Staff recommendation of one eight t) ten acre park site, Putnam explained that they would lose twenty-five units, making it economically unfeasible for them. Lambert spoke to the Staff recommendation of one Bite, explaining that it would be unreasonable to expect the City to maintain many mini parks through- out the City because of the types of machinery we now have and the amount of time that would have to be spent on the road getting to these sites. He felt they should be owned and maintained by homeowners associations. Kruell was in favor of five acre parks because they would be large enough to maintain and they would have .exposure to more people. Tangen inquired whether these two mini parks would take the pressure off present park space and allow a larger park site to be moved further south. Lambert answered affirmative. D. Anderson commented on the cost of a larger park site in the northeast quadrant in comparison to the southern site, and felt if we did not have to purchase a larger site at this time and the mini parks would be sufficient, the City should secure the option and pay for it through the cash park fee payments as suggested. C Garens left at 11:20 PM. Minutes — Parks, Recreation approved and Natural Resources Commission — 7 — Monday, April 3, 1978 �. b. Prairie East 4. 5. 6. 7. g. and 9 (co nt'd) MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council that the Hustad proposal for Prairie East 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 be accepted with the two mini park properties developed as proposed, and cash park fee be assessed. Johnson seconded. V. DISCUSSION D. Anderson asked what the time frame was for a decision on the parkland to the south of Co. Rd. 1. Putnam responded that it was to Hustad's advantage, 4 , as well as to the City's, to agree on this and that they would be receptive to r . signing an option as recommended. r, VOTE: Motion carried unanimously. MOTION: Kruell moved to direct the Staff to bring the south park site in the Prairie East area back to the Commission by June 1st for review. D. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. I110TION: Kruell moved to continue the balance of the Agenda to regularly scheduled meeting or next special meeting. Tangen seconded, motion carried unanimously. c. Hillsborough lst and 2nd Addition Continued. d. Raven Ridge Continued. e. Pheasant Oaks Continued. 5. Joint Use Agreement on Tennis Courts with School District Deleted. 6. Status of Park Construction for1978 Continued. 7. Tennis Court Proposal for Flying_ Cloud Deleted. 8. Cash Flow Sheet/CASH PARK FEE Continued. 9. F,6en Prairie Stable Continued. VI. L- VII. Continued. ADJOUIitvTI1ENT 140TIGN:Tangen moved to adjourn at 1105 PM, seconded by Johnson. bfot.ear. unanimously. Respectfully submitted by Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary AGENDA C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING MONDAY, APRIL 10, 1978 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL COMMUNITY SERVICES OFFICES COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell, George Tangen COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services E Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals 7:40 a. Super Valu 8:00 b. pheasant Oaks- 8:15 c. Raven Ridge 8:30 2. Joint Use Agreement on Tennis Courts 8:45 3. Status of Park Construction for 1978 9:00 4. Tennis Court Proposal for Flying Cloud IV. OLD BUSINESS A. B. V. NEW BUSINESS 9:15 A. Golfing in Parks 9:30 B. Arbor Month Celebration - Naming City Tree C 9:45 VI. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, APRIL 10, 1978 7:30 PM, CITY HALL SPECIAL MEETING MENIBER.S PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Robert Johnson and Robert Kruell MEMBERS EXCUSED: David Anderson and George Tangen STAFF PRESENT: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Dick Smith and Ron Bastyr, McCombs-Knutson Associates, Inc. Chairman Anderson stated that this meeting was a carry-over meeting and the Agenda did not need approval. III. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals I a. Super Valu Director of Community Services Lambert spoke to Council approval of the proposal and to agreement by Super Valu to dedication of the land below the 854 contour, restriction of any docks, trail easement along Valley View Rd., and assessment of the cash park fee. Garens questioned why Super Valu -did not feel a scenic easement was necessary on the open space, and requested that the PR & NR Commission minutes note this concern. Anderson expressed concern about housing being put in, with Lambert responding that the Council had reverted the zoning back to rural. b. Pheasant Oaks Lambert spoke to the Planning Commission Memo of March 3rd and located the proposal and the 20%, land dedication boundaries. He explained the' deve- lVw had agreed to the building of the necessary trail, with credit to be givenfrom the cash park fee for construction of the trail. He stressed pinpointing the neighborhood park for this area because of the development pressure, and spoke to securing options• Lambert answered questions about the use of cul-de-sacs in the area- explaining that they were difficult to maintain; whether there were storm sewers planned for- proposed pond with siltation basin; and whether the trail would cross over the road at street level- affirmative. C 1 Minutes - Parks, Rec. and iapproved Natural Resources Commission - 2 - Monday, April 10, 1978 C b. Pheasant Oaks (cont'd) Anderson asked whether it would be possible tohave an off street under- pass, noting that the Bikeway-Hikeway Task Force Report recommends its use at some places. Lambert responded that he would check with the City Engineer as to its expense, and that it would have to be taken out of the cash park fee in order to justify it. Ron Bastyr, McCombs-Knutson Associates, Inc., speaking to the proposal and to the above suggestion, felt it could be accomplished through the use of a corregated metal pipe, with a wood facing-giving it the appearance of a natural bridge. Lambert referred to the EAW on the proposal, and asked that the PR & NR Commission, at the Council's request, review the worksheet. r;OTION: Garens moved to accept the Pheasant Oaks proposal with the 20% open space dedication, siltation pond, assessed cash park fee-with cost of trail to be subtracted, and pedestrian underpass connecting outlots B and C bost be assessed to cash park fee. Kruell seconded. Garens requested the addition to the MOTION: Recommend that the Staff research feasibility of the pedestrian underpass. `- AMENDED 240TION: Garens moved to accept the Pheasant Oaks proposal with the 201% open space dedication.., siltation pond, assess cash park fee-with cost of trail to be subtracted, pedestrian underpass connecting cutlots B and C cost be assessed to cash park fee, and recommend that the Staff research feasibility of the pedestrian underpass. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. Lambert asked for questions or additions to the LAW, explaining that the Staff had reviewed it, and that the worksheet will go out to other pertinent units such as the watershed district. 1IL TION: Kruell moved that we recommend that the Council accept the EAW as prepared, because it appears to be consistent with our recommendations and the intent of the developer. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. c. Raven Ridr±e Lambert spoke to the recommendation made by the Planning Commission Report, specificially to the pedestrian trails connecting with other trails. Kruell felt there were some developments in Edenvale which have been approved and constructed, but no cash park fee has been collected. Lambert agreed to look into this. Anderson c3:p.resscd concern for materials to be used on the trails, referring to past use of materials that have not held up. He asked whether the City is obligated to allow them to use the same ground cover, speaking to the Dike-way/Bikeway Task Report's specifications for community trails. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and :approved Natural Resources Co3innission - 3 - Monday, April 10, 1978 c c. Raven Ridge (cont'd) Lambert questioned whether the City could ask for to change in the middle of a trail system. Garens commented that the homeowners do not want trails, although he felt that trails on the west side of the railroad tracks vould not be a problem. I,:OTION: Kruell moved that we recommend to the Council that the pedestrian pathway be incorporated into the developerts proposal and that the construction be the current residential type construction. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. 2. Joint Use Agreement on Tennis Courts Lambert spoke to the agreement, and to his suggestion for change as far as agreement by the City and the School District that City recreation programs share priority usage with the District's Physical Education program and District's Tennis Team practice schedule. Kruell asked whether the agreement would cover any new courts. Lambert responded that it referred to the present four courts only. The Commissioners were in agreement that the agreement has worked well in the past, and that it was mainly Eden Prairie residents who benefited by it. Garens explained the background of the agreement, that it had been expedient for both parties to jointly finance the construction of the courts at a time when neither body had funds. IfOTION: Fifield moved to approve the joint agreement between the City and the School District on the joint use of the tennis courts as presented. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. 3. Status of Park Construction for 1978 i Lambert spoke to his Report of March 31st and to the status of park construc- tion at Edenvale, Preserve and Round Lake. He informed the Commission that the CETA Special Project grant would be terminated on June 10, 1978 and we would probably not get an extention. Garens spoke to the future park and high school at Round Lake, and two different points of view on allignment of the road, and to the possibility of a legal battle between the City and School Board. He suggested that the people vote on it through a referendum. MOTION: Anderson stepped down from the Chair to move that we urge the Council to accept the deed and recommendation of the School Board at this time, so the people of the coiwaunity can accept the $134,000 LA14CON funds, and that the City and the School Board resolve their differences at another time. Kruell seconded for the purpose of discussion. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and .approved rr Natural Resources Commission - 4 - Monday, April 10, 1978 l 3. Status of Park Construction for 1978 (cont'd) �I DISCUSSION: Kruell asked whether the intent of the motion was to create a vacuum to draw it past the Board and Council. Anderson responded affirmative, because our prime purpose is to provide recreation for the community, and if we lose the CETA grant, we will lose that opportunity. Kruell questioned how there could be a deed without accepting the road allign- ment favored by the School Board. Anderson explained that the deed could be accepted with the restriction, and settled later. Vice-Chairman Garens called for the VOTE. The motion carried unanimously. He turned the Chair back over to Anderson. 4. Tennis Court Proposal for Flying Cloud Lambert spoke to two questions on theproposal: 1.) Where will the money come from for our share of construction? 2.) If we find the money, we should have a minimum of a ten year lease on the property. He added that there is an unbeliev- able need for tennis courts. He spoke further to using money from the park bond fund or cash park fee. MOTION: Garens moved to recommend to the Council that we recommend the construc- tion of two tennis courts on MAC land and that the approximate cost of $10,000, our share, come out of a cash park fee fund, and that we protect our investment with a ten year or longer lease, based upon the Staff report of March 31, 1978. Fifield seconded, motion carried unanimously. Chairman Anderson ruled to consider NEW BUSINESS items, then if time permitted, the OLD BUSINESS items would be considered. V. NE I BUSINESS A. Golfing in Parks Lambert spoke to the problem of golf..practice taking place at Round Lake, resulting in damage to the •turf by the divots. He explained that golf courses do not permit practice this early in the season for that reason. Anderson felt that golfing was a minor problem incomparison to the problems we have with off-road vehicles, horses and etc.. LOTION: Kruell recommended that the Staff devise a workable policy for the protection of the grass areas, and for the protection of the residents against getting hit with golf balls. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. Garens left at 9:45 PM. B. Arbor Month Celebration - Naming City Tree Lambert spoke to the Mayor's suggestion that the City develop some kind of celebration for Arbor Month. Kruell suggested providing stimulation for the residents of the City to form Minutes — Parks, Rec. .approved and Natural Resources Commission — 5 — Monday, April 10, 1978 C B. Arbor.. ..Tree (cont'd) a garden club, by printing an article in the Happenings requesting interested participants. Be suggested they may encourage industries and companies to do some p'.antings. Anderson felt the city should start re—planting our tree population, since our community will be devestated by the dutch elm disease. The various trees were discussed, and it was pointed out that the hackberry is closest to the elm, although not in the elm tree family. MOTION: Johnson moved to recommend to the Council that the Hackberry tree be designated as the city tree, and planted at City Hall. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. IV. OLD BUSINESS A. Hennepin County Chipping Site Lambert spoke to the chipping site and action previously taken by the Council, and that it was on the Agenda as an informational item. / B. Public Property Reforestation Bids l_. Lambert spoke to the Memo of March 17th as informational, indicating bids on trees to be used in afforestation of our new parks —Preserve, Edenvale and Round Lake. C. Eden Prairie Stables Lambert spoke to this item being included on the next meeting Agenda for review of their lease. He explained that he would like to give the Commission a tour of the site, and that he feels we should have a real committment as to whether we should lease the site further. D. Bryant Lake Access -- Reference to H.Y. 494 Anderson requested the possibility of an access through the semi—private road located in the area, for the use as a trail this summer. E. Off Road Vehicles Lambert spoke to the item being covered by an ordinance, and agreed to invite Officer Hacking of the Public Safety Department to the meeting of April 17th for the purpose of resolving the problem. F. Cash Flow Sheet/CASH PARK FEE Lambert spoke to the request made for a "cash flow sheet", and asked specifically what information was being asked for. Kruell responded that as a good manage— ment procedure, it would be desirable to know which areas are generating the cash park fee, and hence the requirements, giving us a good idea of where the Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 6 - Monday, April 10, 1978 c F. Cash Flow Sheet/CASH PARK FEE. (cont'd) improvements could go after we acquire the land. I Lamberts suggested a "cash flow map" indicating fees received from the different developments. G. Purgatory Creek With Respect to Hve.7 - 101 Proieet Kruell spoke to a Study to improve this area, and the effect it will have on Eden Prairie because they will effectively be channelizing the large drainage area, which will increase velocity going through Eden Prairie. 140TION: Kruell moved to direct the Staff to investigate impact of the proposed improvement of the Hya. 7 and 101 area on our stream bed. Fifield seconded, motion carried unanimously. VI. ADJOURNMENT Johnson moved to adjourn at 11:00 PM. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. C Respectfully submitted, Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, APRIL 17, 1978 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Steve Fi.field, William Garens, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell, George Tangen COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF APRIL 3 AND 10 MEETING IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 7:45 1. Shoreland Management Act 8:00 2. Joint Master Plan-Anderson Lakes B. Reports-of Staff 8:15 1. Development Proposals a. Bachman Anderson b. Tamarac lyogds c. COR Investment 9:15 2. Bike Trail Progress Report 9:30 3. Recreation Programs - Spring Registration 9:35 4. Summer Recreation Program 1. Summer Skill Development 2. Leisure Challenge `l- 3. Teen Leisure Challenge 4. Teen Drop-In-Center S. Teen Work Program Parks, Recreation and Natural -2- Mon. , April 17/78 Resources Commission 9:50 S. Beach Operations - Riley, Round and Bryant Lakes VI. OLD BUSINESS 10:00 A. Off Road Vehicles 10:15 B. Status of Goals VII. NEW BUSINESS j J 10:30 A. Renewal of Lease Eden Prairie Stables B. 10:45 VIII. ADJOURNMENT 'I C �� r - APPROVED MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, APRIL 17, 1978 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION 1MMR.S PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, David Anderson, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell and George Tangen C0141ISSI0N I�EIIBER;S EXCUSED: Steve Fifield and William Garens 001,29SSION STAFF PRESENT: Director of Community Services Bob Lambert Recreation Supervisor Sandy Werts OTHERS PRESENT: James C. Osberg, Jack Hacking and Keith Wall, E.P. Public Safety, Mr. and Mrs. Glen Lorenz, Burt Lear, and Mr. & Mrs. William Bearman, Doug Baird, Larry Cramer, and David Weir, Bachman Anderson II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Addition of: V.B.l.d. Pheasant Oaks Underpass VII.B. Re-zoning Ordinance Revision MOTION: Tangen moved to approve the agenda as published and amended, seconded by Kruell. Notion carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF APRIL 3 and 10 IMETING Pg. 1, II.F., delete I'Kruell°, add. °Anderson't MOTION: Kruell moved to approve the minutes of the meetings of April 3, 1978 and April 10, 19,78 as published and amended. D. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND 0014 UNICATIONS None. V. REt,MEMATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Shoreland Management Act Lambert spoke to the first draft of the Shoreland Management Ordinance, suggesting that the Commission schedule a special meeting to cover the ordinance line by line, since it has not been gone over recently. Anderson spoke to the report received from the Watershed District and their recommendation to re-classify our lakes to natural environmental lakes as soon as possible, and asked what process was required by the Department of Natural Resources to accomplish this. I Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Approved Natural Resources Commission - 2 - Monday, April 17, 1978 1. Shoreland I,1n nagrement Act (cont'd) CLambert responded that as a Staff person, he would not be in favor of asking for that re-classification without Council approval. He suggested the Commission male the reauest and submit it to the Council and Commissions for approval. 'alerts added that if the City adopted the Ordinance with the lakes at their present classification it would become official, making it more difficult to re-classify after Ordinance has been approved. Iiruell questioned the variance request provisions of the Ordinance, comment- ing that he felt these provisions were inconsistent because these variances are permitted after the rules are set. Anderson explained that this leaves the control to the local government, rather than having it spelled out specifically. WTION: Kruell moved to table the Shoreland Management Ordinance item for consideration at a special meeting or continue to the May 1st meeting. Tangen seconded, motion carried unanimously. 2. Joint Master Plan-Anderson Lakes MOTIOIN: Tangen moved to table the Joint Master Plan-Anderson Lakes item. The motion died for a lack of a second. Kruell asked how Anderson Lakes Park ties in with the Bloomington park system. Lambert responded that the proposal for funding of the parks Cwas based on the premise that it would be a joint park system, with all trail connecting. Kruell asked the joi;anission, the Council, and the community to question whether turning over the operation and land to the Hennepin County Park Reserve is a wise long term decision, in view of the recurring political squabbles of the Hennepin County Board. Lambert pointed out that this is one of the major items to be determined. Several other Commissioners observed that this method is one way to obt,nin immediate development because Eden Prairie does not now have the funds for improvement. w C ' I.1r. Jim Osberg, 9550 Timber Trail, expressed concern with plans for Co. Rd. 18 to be r::ade into a four lane freeway, with a high voluir.e of 40,000 cars goin!' throul~h, and the impact it would have on the Anderson Lakes Park. lie requested thFt this road be considered in the Co:::mission plans. Anderson exrinineC that the Cormiiission sub-committee has met and is on record as opposing this plan for Co. Rd. 18, and this will be a , point of discussion before we turn over any land to the County. I•;GTIGNs Tangen moved to table the Joint 1,1aster Plan-Anderson Lakes. D. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. V-3.1.a. Bachman Anderson I•:r. Doug Baird, represonting Bachman Anderson, showed slides of the existing Cland nn2 explained the stei:s of the process they followed. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 3 - Monday, April 17, 1978 C a. Bachman Anderson (cont1d) Mr. Larry Cramer, Bachman Anderson, spoke to the charge from the owner to find a site which has essentially the points this site has in points of beauty and ' least violation to the natural environment. He spoke briefly to Mr. Baird's background, explaining his work with the Elm Creek Center and his award winning building at the Hyland Nature Interpretative Center, and to the great deal of time spent with the City Staff developing plans for the proposed building so as not to ruin the lake and to fit it into the natural contour of the site. Anderson asked whether at any point, the building will be higher than thei trees. Baird responded negative, and that even though the building would be four stories, it would be built into the ground with only two stories r above the ground about twenty feet. A resident of Ensign Rd. expressed objection to the height of the building and requested that it be spread out. Baird responded that the parking ramp is twelve feet above the ground and spoke to their landscaping and screening plans by use of brick or earthtone colors, and the use of the curve form for the build- ing to follow the natural contour of the land because it softens the effect. Andersen asked that the Blacklock Line be pointed out on the slides, and what the property owners were planning on doing with that land. Baird responded it would be dedicated to the City, and they would use a natural barrier such t` as the pri.ckley ash and sumac. Cramer spoke to the one and one-half story parking ramp, explaining that the owners were willing to spend the money. Baird responded to questions on the steep drive-way - which was being moved over; proper screening - re-planting of trees; and handling of the sewer - which was nut in for Gelco and extended across to serve both buildings. Jim Osberg, 9550 Timber Trail, expressed concern on the importance of exterior lighting, color of the building, the north shore of Anderson Lakes, and to an EIS to show how it will effect Anderson Lakes. Baird responded there will be minimum lighting, with some security lighting on the shore side, and referred to the Planning Commission recommendation on hinds of lights. The gentlemen from Ensign Rd. asked what would be done about the traffic on 78th Street since Gelco came in, and spoke to the additional traffic along Ensign Road, which is residential and of great concern to residents. Lambert responded that our engineering staff is going to meet with the Bloo- mington engineering staff for a solution. Kruel.l cormnented that he would like to know the relationship of this project to other projects on Anderson Lakes and consider as a whole, rather than step by step. Lambert spoke to Gelco and only one other project coming in on the north side of Anderson Lakes. Minutes - Parks, Rea. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 4 - Monday, April 17, 1978 c a. Bachman Anderson (cont'd) MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council approval of the � Planning Commission reconaendation of April 6, 1978 of re-zoning and acceptance of the ten items with the two following changes: No. 10 to read: Lighting shall be of the low canopy type which con- fines lighting to the site area, and additional lighting which would be necessary for minimum security purposes of the lower level. Addition of No. 11: final exterior color and materials be reviewed and approved by the Planning Staff, with the understanding that the blending with the natural. areas should be done to a maximum effect, preferable with the use of earth tones and natural materials. Kruell seconded for purposes of discussion. DISCUSSION: D. Anderson asked how agreement on colors would be accomplished noting the problems in the Preserve recently. Tangen spoke to re- view by the Planning Staff. Kruell asked how many models were considered, before this parking plan was agreed upon. Baird spoke to two to three considered. VOTE: Motion carried unanimously. C MOTION: Kruell moved to direct the Staff to check with the Nine Mile Creek Watershed District to inform us of the net effect of the present and proposed drainage plans on the water level of Anderson Lakes. Johnson seconded, motion carried unanimously. 4. Summer Recreation Program 1. Summer Skill Development Recreation Supervisor Werts spoke to her memos of April 14th and to comparison of on going programs with last year's program and to new programs. She spoke to the programs to be planned on a schedule to fit the format of Year Round School.(intercession schedule) 2. Leisure Chn _lenr,e Werts spoke to this new program started last summer, explaining that transportation was a major problem. She added that they are looking to renting a vehicle, and recommends a $10 registration fee to help defray the transportation costs and fees for specialists. Tangen asked whether fees were a deterrent to some children in the 'ity. Werts responded that any child that cannot pay is covered by PROP. She suggested that a policy could be set by the Commission Cfor such cases. i S I:inutes - Parks, Ree. approved Monda ril 17, 1978 and Natural Resources Commission - 5 - Y� A p _ i C 2. Leisur allenp-o (cont'd) Anderson spoke to the City policy of reduced price for more than one child in a family enrolling in a program. Anderson asked whether any of these programs were run jointly with Community Education, and felt it was et het agood opportunity porbus sutuatioo work to- gether. Werts said they may g P o 3. Teen Leisure Challenge Werts spoke to the program and six to eight specialized programs geared to the older teens. 4. Teen Drop-In Center Werts responded to questions on the supervision problem, explaining that an officer does stop in. It was agreed that tight supervision was needed. 5. Teen Work Program Werts spoke to using the same program as in the past, giving the teens their first job experience. She added that they will be interviewing for the jobs for the first time this year. B.4.5. Beach Operations Riley, Round and Bryant Lakes Round Lake Werts spoke to her Memo of April 14th and responded to questions. The use of electric motors on Round Lake,was questioned - a deposit of p10 on the use of sailboats and 5P5 for canoes was suggested. BryantLake into the ark Anderson spoke to requests from residents to be able to go p for fishing at 6:00 Al-i, commenting that he feels residents should be able to use the part: more than is presently allowed. 'alerts felt we should be in keeping with the other parks in the area and open at 8:00 AM, but staffing is not in the budget. 1•'rs. Claudia Bearman,9955 Valley View Rd., pointed out that last year was w&rm early, and most of the years there would not be the need to open early. I,nke Riley. Werts spoke to same schedule as for Bryant Lake. MOTION: Kruell moved that we accept the summer programs as presented with the revisions that occurred in Beach Operations of:deposit of ti�10 for LglcelP sailboats be inc- and !;`5 for canoes; non-resident passes to Bryant Lake Park and Riley u j' reased to `8 a season&SP3 for one time; and that we recommend that the Council pro- vide additional information on opening up Bryant Lake at earlier time than a- greed upon. D. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. i Idinutes — Parks, Rec. and iapproved Natural Resources Commission — 6 — Monday, April 17, 1978 C VI. OLD BUSINESS i A. Off Road Vehicles Anderson spoke to considerable amount of damage from these vehicles at Bryant Lake and Riverview Rd. and asked Officer Hacking what the problems of enforcement were. Officer Hacking explained the problems of not enough men and the extra money of 5N240 per night for extra cars and men. He spoke to parties of ; one—hundred kids and reluctance of one or two men to go in and break it up. He explained that when kids are tagged, the courts will usually only give them a warning and fine them occasionally from 05 to 010. Anderson asked what rights property owners had. Hacking responded that you can ask them to leave. Neither impounding vehicles nor attempts to sue have been effective. Hacking suggested a letter be sent from the PR & NR Commission to -the Chief Judge explaining the situation and asking them to enforce the arrests. He offered to take photos and etc. to show the judges and ask the courts help by impressing them as to the problem we are having. He added they could do a survey of where the kids were coming from, how many tickets 'are / being given out, and the result. Anderson suggested posting signs prohibiting these vehicles at the entrance to the City, to remove the excuse that notices were not posted. It was suggested that the fact be publicized that the City of E.P. is 1 taking; a hard line on the problem. i I,ir. Glen Lorenz, West St. Paul, suggested :corking with officials and clubs to help control fellow bikers etc.. MOTION: Kruell moved that the Staff incorporate these suggestions and write to various agencies referred to, including contacting other bluff community cities to see whether they have been able to solve the problem. Iiotion died for lack of a second. Johnson suggested that tv and newspaper coverage may just serve to publicize the City as a good area to come to for this purpose. 1.10TION: Kruell moved that we advise the Council that there is a serious erosion problem caused by off road vehicles, causing damages in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and we will be soliciting their help in resolving this; and that we direct the Staff to initiate contact with other agencies in order to begin groundwork for information program. (signs, newspaper and public relations, letter to Chief Judge, survey by Public Safety, con— tacting other coimimnities with similiar problems). Tangen seconded for the purpose of discussion. Tangen felt that we should ask Staff to prepare a memo for next meeting containi.n- all of these points to be brought back to us for our recommendation. Minutes — Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission — 7 — Monday, April 17, 1978 �r A. Off Road Vehicles (conttd) Kruell suggested spliting the motion into two separate parts so we do not have to wait to inform the Council that we intend to address the problem. Anderson felt we should put together a plan with the intent of getting the backing of •the Council. VOTE: Kruell withdrew the second part of the motion, Tangen withdrew his second. ` REVISED NOTION: Kruell moved that 1.re advise the Council that there is a serious u erosion problem caused by off road vehicles, causing damages in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and we will be soliciting their help in resolving this. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. Hacking agreed to put together a slide or photo presentation showing the damaged areas and to contact the newspaper for appropriate publicity. MOTION: Tangen directed the Staff to come back with a report encompassing the recommendations made tonight. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. B. Status of Goals ' CAction deferred. VII. IM-1 BUSINESS A. Renewal of Lease Eden Pniirie Stables Lambert spoke to memo of April 14, 1978 on his concerns and to copy sent to } ' leasees, Xr. and Mrs. Burt Lear and Mr. and Mrs. Glen Lorenz. Anderson spoke to problems here that needed to be solved, such as pollution of Bryant Lake and Nine Mile Creek, and that responsibility for part of the problems that occur here are the Cityts. j Lambert spoke to whether we should have this as a long range operation, re— i ferrin- to : 50,000 in trail funds for Bryant Lake, including horse trails. Tangen asked what the Cityts obligation in terms of improvement was on the property. Lambert responded that any major improvement was the Cityts respon— sibility, and he did not feel the memo addressed entirely as to what is necessary j. to be done today. he spoke further to not having a current list, but main con— cern was the grading problem. Is. Glen Lorenz, leasee, spoke to the area having been a dairy farm for one hundred years, contributing to the pollution problem, and explained that they have not done any grading because it is economically unfeasible because of not being; able to get a decent lease. I:ruell asked whether Lambert felt this was a good use of public land. Lambert responded that he doesn't feel it is a good use of public land unless all of the general public could use the facility. Minutes - Parks, Rec. approved and Natural Resources Commission - 8 - Monday, April 17, 1978 A. Renewal. .... . .. .Stables (cont'd) Lorenz felt it was a good use, 'because it is an educational situation which is open to the public and the educational value to the people who use it is overwhelming. He spoke to this as a unique opportunity with the facility and grounds to enhance the fact that we have individuals who know about horses, and since Eden Prairie will become a developed community soon, it would be a very desirable feature. He spoke further to this as family type recreation and to a waiting list of sixty people. Mrs. Bearman pointed out the fact that there are 20,000 head of horses in the state of Minnesota, and the biggest problem of horse people is that they do not seek publicity, and the City has the same responsibility to provide for this type of recreation as with all other athletic type activities. Mr. Burt Lear pointed out he is hearing that the general public can not ride here. He explained that he does not rent out to people who do not know how to ride, and that they need to learn to ride first. He felt if we opened up to trail rides etc. we will have litter, pollution etc.. He spoke to the Malkerson Stables closing down trail rides for this reason. Mrs. Lorenz asked about the suggested trail spaces. She commented that E.P. residents are lucky to be able to ride in their own community, and that you will be opening it up to other communities. Lambert responded that if we are building horse trails, it should be for everybody in the region. Ibrs. Bearman commented that the living facility was not up to code, and felt it should be looked into. Kruell pointed out that there is a place for horse riding, but does it fit in with public facilities, and we should answer this question first. If it does, to what other types of people can we offer this support. He felt we should ask the question - what is a people service and what is public accomodation. Tangen asked if there was an alternative use for this area if it were not to be the stables. lie asked further whether we have any hard information on the effect of the possible pollution of the lake. Lambert responded that the indoor arena would probably be used to store equipment and added that it would be a shame to use a nice building like that for that kind of purpose. He spoke to pollution of the lake as unknown and this information should be re- quested. The Commissioners were in favor of receiving this information. MOTION: Tangen moved to table the question of renewal of the lease for the Eden Prairie Stables until information on whether the lake is being polluted in this situation can be made available to us and the item be brought back for consideration soon. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. Mrs. Lorenz invited the Commissioners out to see the Stable. i i Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 9 - I4onday, April 17, 1978 V.B.l.b. Tamarack Woods Lambert spoke to the proposal, and the Commissioners discussed the project briefly. MOTION: Kruell moved to table the Tamarack Woods proposal in order to give the Staff time to investigate the possiblity of scenic ease- ment, to address the proposal to land along the creek, and access to public land along the creek. D. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. d. Pheasant Oaks 'Underpass Lambert spoke to $v6,Om to $8,000 as cost of underpass, and to additional problem of existence of sanitary sewer in that area. He said walk way nee; to be a certain depth under the roadway, and this would expose sewer. He spoke further to estimated 1,500 trips per day, and did not feel it would require an underpass for that amount. Fie explained that the density of the development has been reduced by 25% because multiple homes were originally planned here. Anderson spoke to original plans here of a proposed trailway connecting the proposed school and down to Staring Lake. Tangen left at 12:40 A.M. MOTION: Kruell moved that the proposed underpass in the Pheasant Oaks proposal be eliminated. Johnson seconded, motion carried unanimously. VIII. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Kruell moved to adjourn at 12:45 AM.. Johnson seconded, motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary