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Parks and Recreation - 03/06/1978
1978 MARCH 6 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, MARCH 6, 1978 7:00 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairman; David Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell, George Tangen COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 6, 1978 MEETING IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS 7:00 A. Duck Lake Sector - Purgatory Creek V.. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 8:15 A. Fritz Rahr - Drainage Plan for Hyland- Bush- Anderson Lakes i B. VI. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Preserve Name The Park - Fifield B. Reports of Staff 1. CASH PARK FEE 8:30 a. Preserve 8:45 b. Edenvale 8:50 2. Hennepin Co. Chipping Site 9:00 3. Tree Planting - ,Round Lake, Preserve and Edenvale 9:10 4. Bike Trail Grants 9:35 S. Hennepin County Park Reserve District - Joint Master Plan Draft 9:40 6. Round Lake Park Deed From School District r Parks, Recreation and Natural -2- Monday, Mar. 6/78 Resources Commission 7. Development Proposals a. Super Value Stores, Inc. 9:40 VII. OLD BUSINESS 9 55 A. Haynes Property - Bryant Lake View 10:00 B. Mini Storage II 10:10 C. Off Road Vehicles 10:20 D. Shoreland Management Ordinance 10:40 E. Franlo Road Park Site VIII. NEW BUSINESS A. B. 11:00 XI. ADJOURNMENT r IAPPROVEQ MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COtrRdISSION MONDAY, MARCH 6, 1978 7:00 PM, CITY HALL MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, David Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell, and George Tangen 14EMBERS ABSENT: None STAFF PRE,SEIJ'P: Robert Lambert, Director of Commmunity Services Sandy alerts, Recreation Supervisor OTHERS PRESENT: Duane Hookom, Mr. & Mrs. Fred Albrecht, Dan Dunsmore, Ron Dunsmore, Werner. Schulze, John Markham., Michael Carmody, Gerald Kimmel, � . Jerrold Adams, Dennis Dirlam, A. Trager, Tom Morovec, Mr. & Mrs. Ken Johnson, Mr. & Mrs. George Kissinger, Dean Gayther, Morris Cook, Rosemary P. Mingo, Mr. & Mrs. Jim Bast, Helen Fowler, Mark V. Vort, David Feek, and F. W. Rahr II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA The following items were added% VII.F. Goals_Status - Kruell C VIII.A. Cash Park Fee - Kruell 11 B. Par course - Kruell MOTION: Kruell moved, seconded by Fifield, to approve agenda as published and amended. Motion carried unanimously- III. 2IINUTES OF FEBRUARY 6. 1978 1,M=ING MOTION: Fifield moved, seconded by Kruell, to accept the Minutes of the February 6, 1978 meeting as published. Motion carried unanimously. IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. Duck Lake Sector - Pur atory Creek Chairman Anderson explained to the audience that the purpose of the Public Hearing was to receive input from the people who are concerned with the area surrounding the particular sector of Purgatory Creek that Is being considered, in order to aid the PR & NR Commission in advising the City Council in making a decision as to what land should be acquired by the City in that sector-baHe ck round briefly defin the ed the conservancy and trans - tion zones, as well as g Mr. Gerald Kimmel, 6610 Rainbow Drive, asked for the location of the Duck Lake Sector. Community Services Director Lambert pointed out the area and also spoke to the Edengate proposal presently being :..:nsidered by the Council which was located in this sector. r, Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 2 - Monday, March 6, 1978 IV. PUBLIC HEARIidG A. Duck Lake Sector - Purgatory Creek (Cont'd) Mr. George Kissinger, 6601 Barberry Lane, inquired whether the City � . had any zoning to limit the height of buildings and density at this time. Lambert responded that the land was zoned for townhouses and multiple dwellings and the zoning will be moved from rural to R6-5, or a medium density zoning. Chairman Anderson opened the floor to the Commissioners for dis- cussion. Kruell felt there was inconsistency in obtaining two-thirdsof the land for open space through dedication, which will mean a relatively high density trade-off before we can get the land. He spoke further to future development that will comb to Town Line Road, and will re- ceive same type of treatment. He asked how firmly this policy will be entrenched by the City and what type of financing is being con- j sidered. Lambert spoke to acceptance by the Council of this trade-off so de- veloper can get use of their land, but there is no policy set for this. He further explained options for funding through-federal, state, watershed district grants or through the Metro Parks fund. Kruell spoke to the suggestion by the Purgatory Creek Study of ac- quisition of approximately 300 acres through the Duck Lake Sector. Be asked how much was flood plain. Lambert responded that 200 acres would be in dedication, 100 acres in acquisition. He spoke to the direction by the Council for a definite plan and how it will fit in with the entire corridor. Chairman Anderson asked residents what they would like to see happen along this creek area, explaining that the creek has been designated as the number one area to preserve throughout the City. Mr. Morris Cook, 6920 Farkview Lane, asked who owned the 300 acres, Lambert responded that it is owned by a number of people, and includes flood plain and conservancy zone. Nir. Kissinger, of above address, urged Eden Prairie to pursue funding for far as it will go, to preserve the creek in its natural state as much as possible, describing it as a resource unique to the city of EP and one of the closest natural attractions there is within the Twin t pities. Pifield asked -the average distance from the center of channel to the conservancy line. Anderson responded that it depends on the topography, Cand varies where there is a steep incline. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 3 - Monday, March 6, 1978 A. Duck Lake Sector - Purgatory Creek (Cont'd) Hruell asked residents to send in a letter of opinion to the City. I�r. Fred Albrecht, 15640 Park Terrace, commented that he wanted to find out what was happening so he could express his opinion. Mr. Dean Gayther, 17361 W. 66th Circle, asked whether it was correct that the City Ordinance did not allow building on flood plain lands, and whether the City could purchase each zone at a time or was it a package to be purchased. Anderson explained that the Ordinance says the flood plain cannot be filled in without a permit from the City and Watershed District, and the Council has not been allowing building on the flood plain in most cases. Lambert asked audience to consider the landowner, with land half in the conservancy zone rnd half in the flood plain, and he asked them to further considers the Watershed District controls flood level in order to protect people and-their houses; 85% is going to be open space, and if a private party owns it, we cannot guaranty that someone will not build a cement ; dyke 20 years From now. Mr,. Kissinger spoke to the creek passing through Minnetonka and asked for C thoughts and comments about this. Kruell responded that the Watershed District is intending to improve the branch of the creek in that portion of Minnetonka (Highway 7 and 101 area) by straightening this, bringing the water down in greater velocity. Ms. Rosemary P. Mingo, 7601 Great Plains Blvd., Chanhassen, spoke to attend- ing this meeting as representing an "estate". Mrs. Helen Fowler, 10315 Riverview Rd., spoke t6 the tax break received by developers when he comes in and sets aside a gift of"open space". She felt it was a two way thing. She spoke further to her opinion that the City is trying to"jam" too many people into Eden Prairie and that she objected to opening Purgatory ireek to the public for a "playground". Anderson responded that ten years ago we thought we were going that way, but the trend is for single family homes. Garens added that we trill have to give low cost housing in order to get benefits according to public law, and that will have to enter into our decision. lie spoke further to about 39% of remaining land to be "tagged" for low cost homes and housing for the elderly. Mrs. Marge Johnson, 6625 - 175th Ave. W., asked about the $800,000, whether it was matching funds or the cost of a certain area. She expressed favor with securing the land with funds before prices climb higher. Minutes — Parks, Rec. and tapproved Natural Resources Commission — 4 — Monday, March 6, 1978 A. Duck Lake Sector — Purgatory Creek (Cont1d) D. Anderson spoke to the report of March 3rd and asked for the f status of the other four sectors. Chairman Anderson explained that the City has acquired land around Anderson Lakes, Starring Lake, a good section around Bryant Lake, and area around Round Lake. He explained further that we have spent nine cents on the dollar of community money, and he feels the community has been very responsible 1, as far as what they have said they wantto preserve. He stressed the importance of setting up our goals of what we would like to have, and to come to -the Metro Council with a good plan. k. Mr. Jerrold Adams, 13716 Park Terrace Drive, told the Commission that as a. property owner on the creek, he enjoys the creek area and would not like to see the creek develop and would not like to turn it into a public area, but would like to keep it in its natural state. Kruell spoke to the difficulty that arises when a property owner's land drops down to the transition area, and a natural result would be extend back yard down to the creek. Mr. Albrecht stated he did not .rant people walking through, and said he has paid for the area, and suggested requiring maintenance-by private owner. Mr. Kimmel felt that it was less of a risk to the area for one or two neighbors telling him he cannot come in, than for the public to be able to come in at will. Garens assured them this would not be like a °Mi.nnehaha Creek", and that each sector will_ be treated differently. He continued that the creek is very delicate and we will not encourage heavy usuage. He spoke to buffers against a possible golf course or athletic field. It was suggested that the developer be required to leave that portion along J Purgatory Creel: as open space for residents. Kruell explained that the developer will be constructing a certain amount of units and will donate eighty acres of land to the City, providing that the City pick up assessments. i Kissinger asked whether a developer could come in with fill and use the land. Anderson responded that some things can be built in the flood plain, such as I a golf course or parking lots and this could be approved by the Council. k ' Mrs. Johnson asked whether there were more areas such as Edengate. Anderson responded there was proposed development in the NE corner. Kr. Adams urged the acquisition of this land, since zoning and ordinances seem to change with the season. MOTION: Garens moved, seconded by Kruell, to table any decision on the .uuck Lake Sector of the Purgatory Creek and the best uses for that sector, and also give additional time for new members to consider the issue. + Motion carried unanimously. a u r Minutes - Parks, Rec. and iapproved Natural Resources Commission - 5 - Monday, March 6, 1978 NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIRMAN Kruell placed the name of Richard Anderson into nomination for Chairman for 1978. MOTION: Kruell moved, seconded by Garens, that nominations be closed and that a unanimous ballot be cast for Richard Anderson for Chairman for 1978. Motion carried unanimously. Kruell placed the name of Garens into nomination for Vice-Chairman for 1978. MOTION: Kruell moved, seconded by Tangen, that nominations be closed and that a unanimous ballot be cast for Garens for Vice-Chairman for 1978. Motion carried unanimously. V. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Fritz Rahr - Drainage Plan for Hyland- Bush - Anderson Lakes Mr. Fritz Rahr, 8301 West 108 St., spoke to a proposal by the City of Bloomington to put in storm sewer, curb and gutter, and side- walks along 108th St. to handle new development in the area. He explained that the sewer would drain into Purgatory Creels. He spoke further to signed petitions from the residents of 108th St. and of Riverview Rd., and requested that the Eden Prairie City Council communicate with Bloomington on this storm sewer project. Rahr answered further questions by the Commission. MOTION: Kruell moved, seconded by Fifield, to recommend that our City Council be advised of the problem generated from run off accord- ing to the proposed plan for storm sewers in Bloomington, in order to take necessary action to correct the problem. Motion carried unanimously. Lambert spoke to conversation with City Engineer Jullie and Al Gebhardt of the Watershed District and referred to hydraulogical study of 1971, and to 365 acres of this project draing into Eden Prairie through the Anderson Lakes. Rahr pointed out that Purgatory Creek was in the Riley/Purgatory Creek ;•Iatershed District, and Anderson Lakes was in the Nine Mile Creek Water- shed District, and since development has taken place, the water shed is low in the Bush and Anderson Lakes areas. Mrs. Helen Fowler, 10315 Riverview Rd., spoke to theerosicn and loss of trees through Dutch elm disease in that section of the Creek and emphasised that the Creek could not take any more pressure. Anderson requested that the Staff keep this Connnission informed on the plans of Bloomington in this matter. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 6 - Monday, March 6, 1978 VI. B. Reports of Staff 1. CASH PARK FEE a. Preserve Lambert introduced Mr. Bill Bale and Mr. Ken Person of the Preserve. Mr. Bale spoke to the recent meeting between represen- tatives of the City and the Preserve and to the working out of a new °line', which included 52 acres. He spoke to the events that took place since the 1970 agreement when the PUD was adopted by the Council. Tangen inquired what the original acreage was. Bale responded that it was 45 acres beyond the 84011 plus 5011 line, and added that it was a very "loose" line. Mr. Bale answered further questions on the proposed line, and spoke'to a fencing agreement where monies had been allocated for fencing and that this segment (Seg. C) would be included in that agreement. D. Anderson asked whether a chain link fence was appropriate in the residential area and shrubbery for the office area. Chairman Anderson responded that the chain lihk fence was the recommendation of the PR & NR Commission, according to Les Blacklock1s suggestion of its use to contain"dogs, cats and children", whereas the office area had only adults. The Commissioners were in agreement that this line was fairly close to what the original agreement had been with Mr. Carter. 14r. Ken Person called attention to the dedication and 101 scenic easement, and to the control by the City of the easement. NOTION: Kruel moved, seconded by Garens, to recommend to the Council that we accept the negotiated line as presented tonight. Motion carried unanimously. VII. E. Franlo Road Park Site Lambert spoke to the Staff report of March 3rd, and to observations about the N. . and S sites. Garens spoke to the tour conducted by the Hustad Co. and to his present opinion that either site would not be good because of being located on a major road. Mr. Dick Putnam, representing the Hustad Development Corp., spoke to various points - open space plans, development plans for Purgatory Creek Valley, potential park site on Homeward Hills Road, and a need for a Minutes — Parks, Rec. and —approved Natural Resources Commission — 7 — Monday, March 6, 1978 C VII.E. Franlo Road Park. Site (Cont'd) major bike trail to connect' Franlo to Anderson Lakes. He spoke further to change in road alignment, sewer location, proposed Orin Thompson con— r. diminiums to be located to the north of Co. Rd. 1, and to the Lack of sewers south of Co. Rd. 1. ; e possibility of purchasing land from the Finholts Anderson ac�ked about th in order to have enough land for the No.park site. Putnam responded the I'inholts { ; have indicated they would be willing to sell a certain amount of land. ! esirability of either sites were discussed such Various points on the d t people — the N site; cost of purchase as: which site would serve the mos — each the S site would SCCe less e�arkiarea;amount the Nf site dbad the lesser ing required nam amount. site to develop p p " MOTION: Tangen moved, seconded by Kruell, to recommend to the Council that the park site to the north of Co. Rd. 1 and east of Franlo Rd. be the preferred park site for this sector of Eden Prairie, and to direct the Staff k to pursue whatever is necessary to acquire the park site, including that portion the Finholt's would agree to sell. DISCUSSION: Lambert spoke to pg. 2 of the Staff report, pointing out that the north site was preferrable for two reasons: its a better site to work with and it is more centrally located because of the proximity to the Preserve. Tangen commented that people choose the places they want to liveeubecausepointed of certain amenities that are already present. Putnam agreed, out that these people will also want parksfor their children, and the amount of taxes they pay would warrant services. Kruell asked for the amount of acreage of each site and the cost. Lambert responded that the north site contained 22 acres at $14, P er e, and the south site of 23 acres at $10,000 per acre. Garens called the question, and the Motion carried unanimously. i VI.A. 1. Preserve Name The Park — Fifield R Fifield spoke a the identsetoing nameftheePreservveeittee to Neighborhood©Parkeandttoies submitted by residents � the name selected "AIESBITT PRESME PARKI'- MOTION: Fifield moved, seconded by Kruell, that we suggest to the Council that the Preserve park officially be called "Nesbitt Preserve Park". Motion carried unanimously. 1 r. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and iapproved Natural Resources Commission - 8 - Monday, March 6, 1978 VI.B, 1. CASH PARK FEE ' b. Edenvale Lambert spoke to the original PUD agreement, and to the re- ` ceiving from Edenvale of the deeds to the various proposed park areas and their intention of signing the deeds when they are assured there will be no more additional park dedi- cation requirements or "cash park fee" requirements. MOTION: Tangen moved, seconded by Garens, to accept the Staff recommendation as presented, regarding "cash park fee" for Et Edenvale. DISCUSSION: Anderson spoke to the need for the upgrading of the trails i in their trail system, and asked whether Edenvale has fulfilled their obligations. Lambert,responded that the past obligations of the PUD have been met. s. Garens pointed out that he has attended neighborhood meetings and the residents have indicated they dontt want trails in Edenvale. CVI.B. 2. Hennepin Co. Chipninr, Site Tabled until next meeting. 3. Tree Planting - Round Lake, Preserve and Edenvale Tabled until next meeting. 4. Bike Trail Grants Lambert spoke to grants specified and to approval previously by the Commission. No action required. 5. Hennepin County Park Reserve District -Joint Master Plan Draft Lambert spoke to the formation of a committee to study the non- detailed plan and noteour concerns, and indicate the questions we want answered. Garens and R. Anderson volunteered to sit in with Lambert as a conanittee. 6. Round Lake Park Deed from School District Lambert spoke to the communication from the School District re- garding the Round Lake Deeds, and spoke specifically to Attachment A, which was reviewed by the City Attorney. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and :approved Natural Resources Commission - 9 - Monday, March 6, 1978 6. Round Lake Park Deed. ... ..District (Cont'd) MOTION: Tangen moved, seconded by Kruell, to accept the agreement on the Round Lake Deeds, as per communication of February 21, 1978. Motion carried. unanimously. Kruell commented on the language in the deed, noting if the City and School District do not agree on the road, it will automatically end up in court. 7. Develonment Proposals a. Super Value Stores. Inc., Tangen, noting that he had attended the neighborhood meetings held for the purpose of support and suggestions of the residents, commented that he felt their plan was good, but felt the Commission should take a look at the proposal. Anderson spoke to recommendation by the Shoreline Management Ordinance for re-classification of lakes, and how we treat this plan as a Commission. He spoke to Minneapolis lakes as an example for public use. Tangen said Super Value have indicated they do not want public trails between them and the lake, for the purposes of security. Kruell asked whether residents were generally in favor of the plan. Tangen responded that both the Cove area and Willow Creek seem to be in favor of the plan, but are opposed to a bikeway system coming through from Beach Rd. to Bryant Lake Park. EIOTION: Kruell moved, seconded by Fifield, that Super Value plan be referred to the Staff for a comprehensive report. 1,b tion carried unanimously. VII. OLD BUSINESS A. Haynes Property - Bryant Lake View Lambert spoke to the Staff Report of .March 3, 1978 and to the Planning Staff recommendations. Kruell asked for an alternative for the collector road, and could it be moved to the north. Lambert responded that the land to the north is hilly and would not be a good location. Garens suggested looking to the area around the Crosstown, and spoke to a trail historically being located through that property. i i i Minutes - Parks, Rec. and iapproved Natural Resources Commission - 10 - Monday, March 6, 1978 A. Haynes Pronerty (Conttd) Anderson suggested an easement to run a trail system around the lake, exluding certain areas. Tangen commented there were a variety of opinions on such a trail system, but felt there would be general opposition. Tangen suggested connector trails with Anderson Lnkes, Valley View Rd., and Schooner Blvd.. MOTION: Tangen moved, seconded by Kruell, to •recommend approval of this subdivision as per Staff report of March 3, 1978. Motion carried, with R. Anderson voting "nay", because of uncertainity of the trail system. Kruell asked whether these trails line up generally with trail System; . -Lambert responded affirmative. B. Mini Storage II MOTION: Tangen moved, seconded by D. Anderson, that since he had questioned the proposal, and after looking over Staff Report of March 3rd, he had no more objections, and moved to approve the Minnesota Liini Storage 2nd Addition proposal. Motion carried, �_. with Kruell abstaining. C. Off Road Vehicles Lambert spoke to regulation of these vehicles by Ordinance #175, passed in 1972, and recommendation that they contact Public Safety for enforcement suggestions. Anderson suggested signs be posted in problem areas prohibiting usuage of those vehicles, such as used in other communities. Tangen requested that a Public Safety representative meet with this Commission for discussion of this problem. D. Shoreland Management Ordinance Tabled until future meeting. E. Franlo Road Park Site (Previously considered) F. Goals Status - Kruell Kruell spoke to the iva jox- gods of the C.omiuiseion for 1977, and asked that the status be decided upon at the next meeting. Minutes - Parks, Rea. and .approved Natural Resources Commission - 11 - Monday, March 6, 1978 c VZII. NEW BUSINESS A. Cash Park Fee - Kruell Kruell requested the development of a "cash flow sheet" on "cash park feel' contributions. Lambert agreed to check with the Finance Director on this. B. Par course - Kruell Kruell spoke to this type of exercise course, and asked how recep- tive the Commission might be to a developed site like Round Lake containing such a course. XI. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Tangen moved, seconded by Kruell, to adjourn at 12:05 PM, Respectfully submitted, Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary