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Parks and Recreation - 02/06/1978 1978 FEBRUARY 6 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE I AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION --'ONDAY, FEBRUARY 6, 1978 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell , George Tangen, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Robert Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III . MINUTES OF JANUARY 16, 1978 MEETING -e IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners �- 7:40 1. Anderson - Tour of Hustad Dev. B. Reports of Staff 7:50 1. Winter Recreation Program 8:00 2. Preserve'Name The Park Contest 3. Development Proposals 8:05 a. Library 8:15 b. Mini Storage II 8:25 c. Amsden Hills III 8:40 d. Haynes Property VI. OLD BUSINESS 8:55 A. Shoreland Management Ordinance 9:15 B. Nestlebrook 9:30 C. Franlo Road Park Site 9:45 D. Valewoods (Meadows) J:00 E. Purgatory Creek Public Hearing 10:10 F. CASH PARK FEE 10:20 G. Future Perspectives arks, Recreation & Natural -2- Mon. , Feb. 6, 1978 sources Commission VII. NEW BUSINESS 10:30 A. Discussion of Guide Plan 10:45 B. Off Road Motorized Vehicles 10:55 C. Chemical Waste Disposal Site 11:05 D. Special Meeting In February 11:10 VIII. ADJOURNMENT i , APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION i MONDAY, FEBRUARY 6, 1978 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL MII✓4BERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell, George Tangen, and Mary Upton ME1,1BERS ABSENT: William Garens STAFF PRESENT: Robert Lambert, Director of Community Services ' Sandy Werts, Recreation Supervisor OTHERS PRESENT: City Manager Roger Ulstad Kingrey, acting chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:30 PM. City Manager Ulstad presented Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services to the Commission. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA ' MOTION: Upton moved to accept the Agenda as published. Fifield seconded, Cmotion carried unanimously. III. IM=S OF JANUARY 16, 1978 MEETING Pg. 2, last para., delete entire paragraph; add "Kingrey noted that the , owners knew that the flood plain land was unbuildable when they purchased the property." Pg. 3, para. 7, sent. 3, delete °into"; add "so as to include". Pg. Q, para. 3, sent. 3, same correction as above. 11 1 MOTION: Upton moved to accept Minutes of January 16, 1978 as published and amended. Fifield seconded, motion carried unanimously. 1 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND CO144UNICATIONS A. None. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS 1. Anderson - Tour of Hustad Dev. Tabled until later in the meeting. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural. Resources Com. - 2 - Mon., Feb. 6, 1978 B. Reports of Staff 1. Winter Recreation Program Recreation Supervisor Werts spoke to the re-cap of the 1978 Winter Leisure Program Registration and responded to questions on the gym- nastics and cross country ski programs. Werts explained that costs of the gymnastics program varied accord- ing to the level, and increase as the level increases, and that it was a self-supporting program. r Kruell suggested a possible amateur cross country ski club be formed in cooperation with the local snowmobile club for purposes of grooming trails and designating routes. Kingrey inquired whether more people would ski at Edenvale if the trails were groomed. Werts responded that they have a good turn out of skiers and felt that this didn'.t seem to affect the participation. 2. Preserve Name The Park Contest Werts spoke to the Contest and briefly summarized the procedure being u , followed. Fifield volunteered to serve on the subcommittee represent- ing the P R &,NR•Cowmibsion, and Mary Upton as member-at-large. ' The Staff was directed to send letters to the School Board and the Preserve to request a volunteer to serve on the subcommittee: Tangen and Anderson arrived at 8s05 PM. i V.A.1. Anderson - Tour of Hustad Dev. Anderson spoke to tour in the SE sector of E.P. by Hustad Development, explaining that he and Garens had taken the tour and that one of the ' problems was the proposed park site in the Prairie East area. He said that Hustad Dev. wanted residents of the community to know what they would be planning for the next few years. He added that the Commission is concerned with the need for the development of park sites in that area „ { because of the large amount of building occuring. Commissioners responded favorably to the suggestion by Werts on having k; a grand opening party for the Preserve skating rink. The date of Wednesday, February 15th, at 6:30 PM was set for the party and the Staff was directed to proceed with the preparation in cooperation t' with the Preserve. V.B.3. Development Proposals ' a. Library Worts spoke to the 2 acre site located in the southwest corner of Eden r Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 3 - Mon., Feb. 6, 1978 3. Development Proposals (cont1d) a. Library (cont1d) Prairie Center and north of Schooner Boulevard and to the recommenda- tions of the Planning Staff report of Jan. 27, 1978. MOTION: Tangen moved to approve:_the recommendations made by the Staff in their report of January 27, 1978 regarding the Hennepin County Library. DISCUSSION: Kruell expressed concern that an overpass would not be reasonable because he felt most people would drive, rather than walk from the E.P. Center to the library. He suggested the connection with a bikeway would be a useful mode of transportation. Upton requested that an AI�MNDYMT be added indicating: (c.) location of trails connecting the site with the Preserve trails for better use by pedestrians. The motion and second were withdrawn. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend approval of re-zoning as per Staff recommendation of the Hennepin County Library with the addition of: (c.) That Hennepin County Library or Staff obtain information concern- ing connections with existing; or planned trailways to give access to the site. Kingrey seconded, motion carried 5-1, with Kruell casting the dissenting vote. b. Mini Storage II :•Torts spoke to the second addition to the Mini Storage proposal lo- cated along the Flying Cloud Drive and recommended the "cash park fee" for industrial development be applied. Tangen expressed concern for the appearance of the site and pointed ott that the development would be visible to people coming into the city. MOTION: Kingrey moved that the Commission voice its concern with the Mini Storage II site and the development of that site with regard to its final appearance from a standpoint of natural resources, and recommend strongly to the Planning Commission and Council that the final appearance include the grading of the site be one of their priorities in consider- ing the proposal, and recommend that the "cash park fee" be applied here. Tangen seconded. DI30USSION Community Director Lampert felt the motion was not strong enough, and suggested requesting the site plan showing the screening. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 4 - Mon., Feb. 6, 1978 C b. Mini Storage II (cont1d) Some Commissioners felt this would be encroaching on the Planning Commission's role, but it was agreed that "visual polution" was a matter of concern for the Commission. I Worts commented that basically the PR & NR gommission should be concerned with "cash park feett and not final approval, and suggested recommending screening and berming because of the visual affect on the area. The motion and second were withdrawn. MOTION: Kingrey moved that we voice to the Planning Commission and to the Council our concern with development proposals such as the subject pro- posal, and we are going to express our concern with the natural resources is aspect of thooe proposals, and request that the Mini:-Storage II proposal be returned to us with more information on the final lay out, including landscaping. Motion died for the lack of a second. v MOTION: Tangen moved that we recommend to the Planning Commission and Council that this site not be approved for re-zoning until such time as the PR & NR Commission has had an opportunity to review the site plan; this would include grading, plantings and berms which would be accomplished to improve visual impact of the plan. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. i Tangen commented that after plan is returned would be the appropriate ' time to consider.:the "cash park fee". c. Amsden Hills III Worts spoke to the proposal and to the Staff report of February 3, 1978, recommending that the Commission consider three points - (1) widening of the deer corridor where it meets with Anderson Lakes Parkway and Franlo y Road and to fence and screen the corridor (2) suitable access to Out- lot D so that there is no interference with the corridor (3) Preserve f should receive credit for the deer corridor through the northern section r of Outlot E, and balance of land remain in Homeowners Association possession. : i Kingrey questioned whether we would have any kind of deer population in fifty years. Anderson responded that according to Les Blacklockts plan., this could be done. Werts responded to a question by Kruell on the non-application of the cash park fee for this proposal, explaining that this area is part of the original. Preserve PUD. She added that the question of getting "cash in lieu of land" does apply to the area around the Les Blacklock line, but not in the rest of the Preserve. MOTION: Tangen moved that we approve the Staff recommendations of Feb. 3rd in regard to the Aneden Hills III. Kruell seconded, motion carried 5-1, with Kingrey casting the dissenting vote. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and .:approved Natural Resources Commission - 5 - Mon., Feb. 6, 1978 d. Haynes Property Werts spoke to the Bryant Lake View Estates located on the western side of Bryant Lake at the northern tip of the lake, and to the considerable amount of grading that would be necessary - especially on those bordering Bryant Lake Park. She spoke to the necessity of a temporary cul-de-sac on the eastern end of Beach Rd. to prevent traffic through the City's property at Bryant Lake Stables and to the park; to the removal of tagged elms and those that are affected by adjacent cut and fill; and to the requirement of a "cash• park fee". Anderson spoke to the immediate problem of access to the park from all areas of the City. He suggested asking for shore land in lieu of "cash park fee", patterned after Minneapolis lakes,- to connect shore land along with our park land. Tangen disagreed with acquiring all of the shore line, becauseit will be abutting private property - since the whole Beach Road segment was developed. He spoke to the updated guide plan, and inquired whether there is a main trailway through the area. r Kingrey expressed opposition to acquiring this land because of expense, and favored developing land we already have, . Anderson felt the Commission should aim for the best proposal for Eden Prairie, and added that he felt it was bad not to have an access fcr the public to public water. MOTION: Kruell moved that the Bryant Lake View Estates proposal be sent back to the Staff to have the items brought up checked or resolved to see if there isn't some common ground on which to _ - _� resolve some of these problems,and returned to the Commission. Upton seconded, motion carried with Tangen abstaining. h i. Other concerns were "s" curved road to be used:as••access, and the chang- ing of the status of the lake to"natural environment waters". i VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Shoreland Management Ordinance Werts spoke to the recommendations made by the City Attorney and Barr Engineering, and suggested that PR & NR Commission add their comments to the first draft of the shoreland ordinance. Anderson suggested that the lakes be re-classified to natural environ- ment waters; there should be no boathouses; and classification of the two acrelakes or ponds. Kingrey expressed uncertainity about whether am- environmental waters classification for a lake would affect motorized traffic in any way, and requested that this be put into writing. Minutes - Parks, Rae. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 6 - Mon., Feb. 6, 1978 A. Shoreland Management Ordinance (contod) MOTION: . Kruell-moved that the Chairman of the PR & NR Commission and member of the Staff review the first draft of the Ordinance and other related information and develop them into workable second draft of the proposed Ordinance, Kingrey seconded for purpose of discussion. DISCUSSION Anderson requested that Kruell serve on the subcommittee also, to which Kruell agreed. Kingrey felt that approval of the Ordinance should be done after the new members come in. Kruell disagreed that approval should be put off, because he felt the former members had the background that the new ones did not have. Kruell asked who instigated the new Ordinance. Werts responded that it was undertaken by the Staff at the direction of the State. Tangen called the question - the motion carried unanimously. B. Nestle`brook Werts spoke to the propsal,*.which basically was asking to develop on lot 1, block 1, and to the public hearing by the Council on the pro- posal. Commissioners expressed concern with piecemeal planning with the re- mainder of the I ad and felt that the questions raised in the motion of the past meeting were not answered. Werts responded that nothing can be done until they come in with a plan. MOTION: Kruell moved that a recommendation to deny the Nestlebrook plan be forwarded to the Council for the following reasons: the proposed plan has lots that extend into the flood plain; access to the flood plain area is indeterminate; and the land dedication vs. "cash park fee" has not been worked out. Fifield seconded. Kruell requested an AMENDMENT to the motion: Sewer drainage plan is inadequate because this storm sewer will be serving a large area, there- fore a now sewer drainage plan is needed. Fifield accepted ,AMENDMENT. 'alerts explained that they are receiving no credit for that dedication, and that the developer knows he will have to pay the "cash park fee". Minutes — Parks, Rec. and iapproved Natural Resources Commission — 7 — Mon., Feb. h, 1978 C B. Nestlebrook (cont'd) Kruell felt the developer is benefiting under our present procedure by buying undevelopable land and obtaining the right to higher density in a trade—off. Upton called the question. AMENDED NDTION: Kruell moved that a recommendation to deny the Nestlebrook plan be forwarded to the Council for the following reasons: the proposed plan has lots that extend into the flood plain; access to the flood plain is indeterminate; the land dedication vs. "cash park fee" has not been worked out; and the sewer drainage plan is inadequate because this storm sewer will be serving a large area, therefore, a new sewer drainage plan is needed. Fifield seconded. Motion carried unanimously. C. Franlo toad Park Site Anderson spoke to the direction by the Commission to check into this problem, explained that the land has not been platted by Hustad, but they would like to have the park area changed. Werts spoke to 17 acres that did not run into platted land and explained ( that it was sufficient if the school does not use the site. She added `- the Superintendent has been contacted to study the question. Other alter— natives would be to contact the Finholt's and request buying a couple of acres to complete the site, or to look to the south. Anderson felt a park site was needed in this area because of the recent development, and because of the sewer and need for a road, he feels the remaining acreage for a park site would be better with additional acres from Finholt. He added that there would be less of a grading problem with the Finholt acres. MOTION: Kruell moved that the Staff secure from the developer of Prairie East III a nbw plan incorporating the proposed road allignment and park site and bring to the Commission for review. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. Fifield left at 10:45 PM. D. Valewoods (meadows) Anderson questioned why this proposal did not come up before this Com— mission because of the importance of its proximity to Purgatory Creek and the drainage in low areas. MOTION: Kruell. moved that the Valewoods proposal be tabled until the next meeting. Kingrey seconded. Motion failed with a vote of 2-3, with Anderson, Upton and Tangen casting the "nays". IV Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 8 - Mon., Feb. 6, 1978 k D. Valewoods (Meadows) (cont'd) i MOTION: Upton moved to recommend to the Council that we are concerned with proposals; of this sort that we have not had before us, and they have been encroaching on flood plains and low drainage areas, and before the second addition is approved, we would appreciate giving our input on this development proposal. Kruell seconded, motion carried /+-1, with Kingrey casting the dissenting vote. Kingrey felt we should get the background from the Staff before going to the Council. Werts explained that this proposal was not presented to them, because the Commission had requested that not all projects be brought before them. Anderson responded that the listening to the complete presenta- tions by the developer was what they object to, but would like to see all of the proposals. Werts said it was her understanding that the Council recently has re- quested that all proposals be brought to the Commission. E. Purgatory Creek Public hearing- MOTION: Kruell moved that the Council be advised prior to the Feb. 7 meeting, that this Commission does intend to hold a public hearing on the Duck Lake Sector properties in conjunction with the Purgatory. Creek Guide Plan, in accordance wLth the December 20th directive, and we would request prior to the public hearing any specific areas of interest that they may have. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. F. CASH PARK FEE Tabled. G. Future Perspectives Tabled. VII. NE4 BUSINESS A. Discussion of Guide Plan Werts spoke to the direction of the Council that City Planner Chris Enger speak to the Commissions on the updated Guide Plan. B. Off Road Motorized Vehicles JUiderson spoke to the serious erosion of hills and bluffs taking place in many parts of the City caused by the use of off road motorized vehicles, C noting the huge wash out on the bluffs along Riverview Road as pointed out by the Hustads on the recently conducted tour. He said we are talking about damage to our natural resources, and suggested the use of the permit system i Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 9 - Mon., Feb. 6, 1978 S. Off Road Motorized Vehicles (Conttd) as used for hunting. He suggested we take a. stand on the use of the vehicles, noting that the surrounding communities have banned them. Kruell suggested that a release be prepared for the people advising the community that we are considering some type of restriction of off road vehicles because of the serious problem of erosion. i MOTION: Kruell moved that we advise the Council that due to the serious problems with the destruction of natural resources, we request that the Council consider an Ordinance or means to control the appropriate vehicles causing the damage. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. Kingroy left at 11:20 FM. C. Chemical 'caste Disposal Site a MOTION: Tangen recommended to the Council that the PR & NR would like to go on record as opposed to any chemical waste disposal in the City of Eden Prairie. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. D. Special Meeting in February C Anderson requested that Warts advise him if any. urgent items need to be considered before the March 6th meeting, since February 20th was a holiday and the Commission would not meet. VIII. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Tangen moved to adjourn at 11:30 PM. Kruell seconded$ motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Donna Stanley Recording Secretary