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Parks and Recreation - 01/16/1978 1978 JANUARY 16 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE _ I ti AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION C MONDAY, JANUARY 16, 1978 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell, George Tangen, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Sandra Werts, Acting Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF DECEMBER 19, 1978 MEETING IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. B. Reports of Staff 7:45 1. Report on Skating Rinks $ Winter Programs 7:55 2. Franlo Road Park Site 8.30 3. Development Proposals a. Super America 8:40 4. Bublitz Appraisal VI. OLD BUSINESS 8:50 A. Development Proposals a. Nestlebrook 9:15 B. Shoreland Management Ordinance 9:30 C. Valewoods e 9:40 D. Future Perspectives 9:50 E. CASH PARK FEE Parks, Recreation & Natural -2- Mon. , Jan. 16, 1978 Resources Commission 10:00 VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Purgatory Creek Public Hearing B. 10:15 VIII. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AIQD NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JANUARY 16, 1978 7330 PM, CITY HALL MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, William Garens, Steve Fifield, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell, George Tangen, Mary Upton STAFF PRESENT: Sandy Werts, Acting Director of Community Services Jim Jensen, Park Planner OTHERS PRESENTS Adolph Tessness, Mrs. Lunzer, Allan Gebhard II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Addition of: IV. A. Mr. Markham - Werts B. Minutes of Development Commission - Kruell C. Community Education Program - Kruell VI. F. Major Objectives Status - Kruell MOTION: Garens moved to approve the agenda as published and amended, second- ed by Kingrey. Motion carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF DECE4BER 19, 1977 CMOTION: Tangen moved to approve the Minutes of the December 19, 1977 meeting as published, seconded by Upton. Motion carried, with Kingrey and Fifield abstaining because of absence. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND G0101UNICATIONS A. Mr. Markham - Werts Werts spoke to the phone call received from Markham regarding his offer of selling his land located along the Purgatory Creek, in the Duck Lake Sector. She explained that -the offer was for approximately 57 acres, of which 20 to 25 acres fell in the flood plain area, and that -the acquisition would depend on funding by the Metro Park Foundation, Metro Council or LAWCON. MOTION: Garens moved to recommend to the Council that the Staff inves- tigate the value of the plan for the Marham property, if it means an appraisal, and also investigate the sources of funds to acquire this land, with a report back to us. Kruell seconded, motion carried unani- mously. Fifield inquired how this property stood as far as the Purgatory Creek Study. Jim Jensen, Park Planner, responded that approximately 14.7 acres were loented in tho conservancy zone 9.1. acres in the transition zone, with about 23 buildable acres. (33; total acres in flood plain) r Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 2 - Mon., Jan. 16, 1978 i B. Minutes of Development Commission - Kruell I Kruell requested that copies of the Minutes of the Development Commission be included in PR & NR Commission packets. C. Community Education Program - Kruell Kruell expressed concern over any duplication of programs in the City and Commun:'.ty Education, and requested that the PR & NR Commission be kept informed of the activities of Community Ed. Anderson commented that we should voice our opinion on this, and added that the Director of Community Services should be an ex officio member of Community Ed. VI. A. Development Proposals a. Nestlebroolc Mr. Adolph Tessness, representing Mr. & Mrs. Lunzer, spoke to the proposal located east of Highway 101 and south of Maple Leaf Acres. Be explained that the Lunzers' original desire was to only plat 1 lot along TH 101 so they could build a duplex for themselves, but at the suggestion of the City Planner, Dick Putnam, they outlined the platting and zoning plans for the entire 5 acres and access potentials for surrounding property. He continued that a narrow piece of land along the south boundary to TH 101 along Purgatory Creek would be dedicated. He spoke to letter of approval received from the adjacent property owner, Mr. Dorf, stating he was not opposed to this development; approval by the Planning Commission; and non-encroachment into the flood plains by filling or use of structures. Garens expressed concern with access to the park for nearby resi- dents. Tessness explained their intention to connect with TH 101, giving access to the area. Garens noted that an exception to the rule was made in the Maple Len.f Acres, and questioned the encroachment into the flood plain by the platting of lots 2, 3, 4 and 5. Tessness explained that in meeting with Barr Engineering, they were told that they were not encroaching because no fill or structures were intended, and that they have tried to carry their lots along the same elevation as Maple Leaf Acres. Kingrey noted that the owners knew that the flood plain land was unbuildnble when they purchased the property. i Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 3 - Monday, Jan. 1.6, 1978 a. Nestl.ebrook. (cont�d) Approval of lot 1, block 1., with "cash park fee" requirement was suggested at this time, with consideration of the other 4.6 acres in the future. Garens objected because it would be°piecemeal" planning. MOTION: Garens moved to refer the Nestl.ebrook proposal to the Staff for consideration of the flood plain encroachment in block 2, lots 1, 21 4 and 5, and method of handling storm sewer drainage from Tartan Curve off of block 2, 4 and 5 down to Purgatory Creek. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. The question of access to the park was discussed, and Werts, in response to whether any of the proposed city trailways were planned here, informed the Commission that none were proposed hexe and also noted that a public hearing was set for February 7 on this proposal. Garens, commented that since the Lunzers have given land for a road assur- ing Dorf of .4 lots, access to the park be provided by Dorf when his proper- ty comes up for plat approval. MOTION: Garens moved that at the time the Dorf property comes up for plat approval, access from his property be given to the proposed park from CTartan Curve, located on his property. Kruell seconded, motion carried- 6-1., with Kingrey casting the dissenting vote. i V.B. 2. Franlo Park Site City Park Planner Jensen spoke to his report of January 13, 1978, explain- ing that the Staff feels this property as outlined in the Neighborhood Facility Study is not desirable as a park for the following reasons: 1) Inevitability of a connector to Franlo Road from Prairie East third Addition because of the re-zoni.n'l and final platting of that development, taking several northern acres of the proposed park site. 2) routing of sanitary sewer along; Franlo Rd., with trunk sewer circling across the northern por- tion of the pnrlc site and running adjacent to what will be the connector road to Franlo. 3) Eventual upgrading of the intersection of Co. Rd. 1 and Franlo Rand. Ile spoke to alternatives, ea-,plaining that they wore wniti.ng for topography on the area in the s.e. quadrant of that intersection. I,IOTION: Kruell. moved to recommend to the Council that the Staff be direct- ed to appear before this Coi:unission, to report to us how the Third Addition Prairie East was platted so as to inc.proposed park land, which has been set forth in our planning for many years, and why the road now has to be moved, giving us a less desirable park site. Garens seconded. DISCUSSION: Garens inquired whether the Planning Commission was aware that thio was proposed park land. ', i. r Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 4 - Monday, Jan. 16, 1978 2. Franlo Park Site (contid) AI,IENDMENT TO MOTION Kruell moved to amend his motion to recommend -that we authorize our chairman to contact the Mayor and City Manager about our concerns and direct Staff to come back and appear before us. Garens seconded. 4 SECOND AIIENDA0,[T TO I,10TION Kingrey moved to amend motion to request whether the Planning Commission f has a record of proposed park sites, and if not, should be provided with a file of potential park sites for the city of Eden Prairie. Kruell & Garens accepted the amendment. AMENDED MOTION Kruell moved. to authorize Chairman Anderson, of this Commission, to, con- tact the Mayor and City Manager regarding our concerns as to how the Prairie East Third Addition was platted so as to include proposed park land which has E been set forth in the Neighbor. Fac.Studyy; why the road re-allignment at' the intersection of Co Rd. 1 and Franlo Rd.; whether the Planning Commission has potential park site information; and recommend that the Council authorize the Staff to appear before us with a report on these (� questions. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. Jensen spoke to the road re-allignment of Co. Rd. 1 and Franlo Rd. as being the best engineering solution to a traffic problem. He spoke further to the alternative park site in the southeast quadrant of that intersec- tion, and to the possibility of acquiring enough land from the Finholts to add -to the portion remaining from original park site. A MOTION: Tan.-en moved to continue to plat or plan in this area to inc- lude the feasibility of acquiring a portion of the Finholt property to be included in the park site. Kingrey seconded, motion curried unanimously. Kruell noted that the priority of a park site in this area was based on the 1974 park study. 71. B. Shorel.nnrj Manaraenent Ordinance Werts spoke to the previous consideration of the Ordinance in early December and the request of the Commissioners for the attendance by Mr. Al. Gebhard, Riley-Purgatory Creek Watershed District Board member, to answer questions on the proposed Ordinance. Upton inquired what was meant by the Natural Environment Lake classification. Go bhnrd responded that it should receive the most protection. lie explain- cad that the Recrentional Development Waters and General Development Waters classifications require setbacks and have various frontage requirements. r Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Monday, Jan. 16, 1978 Natural Resources Commission - 5 VI.B. Shoreland Manarrsment Ordinance. (cont'd) Anderson asked whether it meant it was developable land. Gebhard res- ponded affirmative, within certain restraints such as minimum lot sizes and setbacks. He explained further that this ordinance is taken from the Department of Natural Resources guidelines, and that these rules and regulations mandate the City to develop shoreland management. Gebhard stressed the importance of the classification of many of the City's i lakes to the Natural Environment Lake classification, and the updating of pre- j sent map before the DNR comes out with their up-to-date classifications ] of public waters. Gebhard responded to questions by Anderson on what use could be made of flood plain land, explaining that two watershed districts are involved, and that the City is the land use authority, and that t e watershed atethe shedity odis- tricts have no Ordinance, but act as an advisory group r use any authority given them by the City to designate how much encroachment can be allowed all around the lake to keep within a certain encroachment level. Gebhard emphasized the need to classify Purgatory Creek for the most pro- tection, explaining that the Riley-Purgatory Creek Watershed District is strongly in favor of a Purgatory Creek Corridor. Werts commented that the City Attorney has stated that the municipal Ordinance can be stricter than the DNR, but if the City has no Ordinance, the rules of the DNR will then apply. Gebhard commented that the only lake justifiable for recreational develop- ment was Duck Lake, and added that the City should be the highest advo- cate for classification of its lakes. Anderson expressed Commission's appreciation for Mr. Gebhord's presence and for additional comments in the letter of January 16, 1978 from the watershed district. V.B.3. a. Suner _America Werts spoke to the proposal by Super America and recormnended the application of the "cash park fee", and continuation of trail along Co. Rd. 4. MOTION: Tangon moved to recommend that the "cash park fee" be required, along with the continuation of the trail along Co. Rd. 4, for the Super American proposal. Upton seconded, motion carried, with Kruell abstaining. Minutes — Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission — 6 — Monday, Jan. 16, 1978 V.B.4. Bublitz Annraisal Worts spoke to past communication with this party, and informed the Commission that the appraisal has been completed and that this is the last site 'to be purchased in the the Lower Purgatory Creek Sector of the Purgatory Creek Study. She recommended that the City enter the same type of option that has been procurred from Hustad and Brown. Kruell asked whether the City could receive funding. Worts responded that they were looking into funding; by LAWCON, Metro Council, or the Metro Parks Foundation- MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend to the Council that the City enter into an option agreement for the purchase of this property. Upton second— ed, motion carried unanimously. VI. C. Valewoods Worts spoke to concern expressed by Commissioners regarding fill taking place in this proposal, explaining that it is due to the bonnection with the sewer, which is not completed yet. Anderson requested review of this proposal — how far lots are platted into the flood plain. D. 1luturo Perspectives Tabled. E. Cash Park Foe Tabled. F. Major Obiectives Status — Kruell Kruell suggested a means of review for the purpose of measuring progress in completion of objectives of the Commission. VII. A. Purgatory Creek Public Hearint7 Warts spoke to mandate by the City Council to the PR & NR Commission to conduct a public hearing on the Duck Lake Sector of the Purgatory Creek Study. Chairman Anderson set March 6 as public hearing date. VIII. AWOMM' IT MOTION: Tanner► moved to adjourn at 10:40 P14, seconded by Kruell. Motion carried unanimously. Respoctftlly submitted, Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary