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Parks and Recreation - 12/19/1977 1977 DECEMBER 5 ., 19 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE i l AGENDA ' EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION �r hfONDAY, DECEMBER 5, 1977 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell, George Tangen, Mary Upton I ! COMMISSION STAFF: Sandy Werts, Acting Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL I II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA .,; III. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 7, 1977 MEETING � IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS, AND coh,P1UNICATIONS A. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. B. Reports of Staff 7:45 1. Stable Improvement Possibilities 8:00 2. 1978 Community Development Projects 8:15 3. Research on a Name for Cal Anderson's Pond 8:20 4. Regional Trails Plan 8:30 S. Shoreland Management Ordinance 8:45 6. Development Proposals a. COR Investment b. Nygren Estates c. Amsden Hills 2nd Addition VI. OLD BUSINESS 9:00 A. Round Lake Park - Valley View Road f B. j I I ! I r - Parks, Recreation & Natural -2- Mon.Dec. 5, 1977 CResources Commission VII. NEW BUSINESS 9:15 A. Discussion of Streets Planning And Its Impact on Natural Resources 9:30 B. Future Perspectives 10:00 VIII. ADJOURNMENT r i t r j?II i 1 d a i �I 1 i i i I .APPRO1W MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES C010IISSION C 1•'IONDAY, DECII°'DER 5, 1977 7:30 P.M.o CITY HALL 0014MISSION 1M4BERS PRESENTS Chairman Richard Anderson, Steve Yifield, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell and George Tangen CO1,Q,aSSION MIBERS ABSENT: Mary Upton STAFF PRESENT: Sandy Werts, Acting Director of Community Services II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA - i Addition of VI-B. Potential Fur-atory Greek Funding - Kruell MOTION: Garens moved to approve Agenda as published and amended, seconded by Kruell. Motion carried unanimously. III. 1AINUTES OF NOVENBER 7. 1977 MEETING pg. 3, para. 5. last sent., strike "Starring"; insert "Staring". �� (,� " 2, sent. 1, insert "either" after "should"; insert "about the Dutch elrn/oak wilt" before "program"; strike "stipulating October to April as time element in the program.11 . �� Pg. /+, para. 7, sent. 2, insert splitablen before "oak"; add in conformance with Ordinance" after "oak". vember ].5th" before "Council Agenda". pg. 6, para. 7, sent. 2, add "No MOTION: Garens moved to approve Minutes of November 7, 1977 meeting as published and amended, seconded by Tangen. Motion carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS. REQUESTS. AND COMMUNICATIONS Acting Director of Community Services Werts distributed copies of Housing 1977 Committee Report, information brochure on Eden Prairie prepared by the Ohamber of Commerce, and the 1977 Winter "Outings" brochure. V. I-lECOME'IENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Repo is of Commissioners None. B. Reports of Staff 1. Stable Improvement Po sibi].it.LU Werts spoke to the Memo of November 21, 1977 prepared by Jessen, summarizing improvements and cost estimates suggested after .comr pletion of tours of various stables in the Metropolitan area. r r 9 t Minutes - Parks, Recreation approved and Natural Resources Corn. - 2 - Monday, December 5, 1977 1. Stable Improvernent Possibilities (cont'd) Worts responded to questions on lessons given and number of people making use of the stable presently. She explained that the lessons are worked out in cooperation with the stable, but do tend to be more expensive, and that limited styles of riding are available. She added that basically the stable was used mainly by boarders and their .family and friends. Kruell questioned whether the City would benefit from these improvements. :Jerts responded that present money generated was going into the 1968 Bond referendum fund, and that the annual income of $5,300 was being used as seed money. She suggested a facility account for use in operation of the facility, with some of the improvements benefiting the City in the long run. MOTION: Kruell moved to accept the Staff memo of November 21, 1977 from Jessen, and to table discussion of any improvements until the lease on the Stable was up for cancellation or re-negotiation, seconded by Kingrey. DISCUSSION: Worts commented that about :* veara remained on the lease, which originially was for 5 years. Kingrey suggested the gathering of information on how the City can expand the operation and improve public involvement. AMGND2,IENT TO THE MOTION: Kruell moved to add "or sooner, due to circum- stances created by necessity." Kingrey accepted the amendment and seconded. DISCUSSICN: Ifruell expressed concern for the length of time the operation could take to pay off, and felt the prosent owners were not ready to gear their operation to the public. Kingrey commented that we should not necessarily expect monetary return on our investment, but would hope for a social benefit type return. MOTION AND ADTNDMENT were withdrawn, and seconds. MOTION: Kingrey moved to receive the Memo of November 21, 1977 from Jessen, and to direct the Staff to present a study of how the operation of the stable might be expanded to include the general public, and report back to this Conmrission in six months, seconded by Gnrens. Motion carried unanimously. Kruell requested addition or clarification of the Study incorporating state- ments or observations from privately owned stables on impact of a public stable operation in the area. 2. 1978 �:or,:nnrnity Devel.oprnent Projects 1.4crts spoke to the i"emo of November 18, 1977 from Planning Director Enger surraviri.zing the re-writing; of HUD regulations defining what projects are eligible for Jorarnunity Development Block Grant funds for 1978, and to the recommendations of. Enger and Jessen of projects they considered as examples of possible eligible activities. r Minutes - Parks, Recreation approved and Natural Resources Commission - 3 - Monday, Dec. 5, 1977 2. 1978 Communitv Development Projects Kingrey suggested access to Bryant Lake as a possible project. Werts responded that the project must benefit a neighborhood which is made up of 51% low and moderate income people, which would indicate that the projects would have to be tied directly to either Briarhill or Windslope. Kruell asked who defines the neighborhood and what is meant by moderate income. Werts explained that the City defines a neighborhood and standards which would include low and moderate income housing, and the fact that the project is subsidized by the Federal government indicates that the project Is low or moderate income housing. The construction of a trail. along Valley View T�Coa'd to Round Lake Park was discussed, with reservations expressed by Garens about the lack of a decision on the extention of Valley View Road and its effect on a trail. Kingrey expressed concern about deciding on a number of projects, and ending up with insufficient .funds to complete them, such as only being able to complete a few feet of trail on Valley View Rd. Anderson spoke to the Edenvale area park and the great need for a play- ground and to trails leading to Round Lake. HOTICN: Garens moved to recommend that the City should apply for 1978 Corrraunity Development Block Grant funds for further park construction at the Preserve; for further construction at Edenvale park site; funding for acquisition of land and construction of Valley View trail to Round Lake Park, with a Potential underpass or overpass across Co. Rd. 4.; and for fundir.;r of tennis courts at Prairie View school/park. seconded by Kingrey. Motion carried unanimously. 1 Kingrey requested that Werts research the status of Winslope residents J with the Homeowner Association. 3. Research on a Name for Cal Anderson's Pond ;derts spoke to research about this pond and conversation with Mr. Al Gebhardt, Engineer for the Riley/Purgatory Creel: Watershed District. She explained that the pond has been called Lake Tobias and Lake Idlewild on old maps, but more recently has been referred to as Rosemount Pond. MOTION: Kruell moved that the subject area being discussed be designated L-3ke Idlewild, and that the Riley/Purgatory Creek Watershed District be advised that the name will be incorporated in City maps unless they have objections, seconded by Fifield. Motion carried unanimously. A Re;,Iorml ;'ri:il.s Plan ';;crts spoke to the memo of November 22, 1977 concerning Trails Plan for the City. 1 r Minutes - Parks, Recreation and :approved Natural Resources Commission - 4 - Monday, Dec. 5, 1977 i C 4. Regional Trails Plan (cont'd) MOTION: Tangen moved to include the following additions to the Regional Trail system within Eden Prairie as suggested by klanning Director Enger: Co. Rd. 1 west of Co. Rd. 4, Valley View Road, and a connection from Hopkins thru Bryant 'Lake Park to 62 Crosstown to Chanhassen and south to Valley View Road. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. Garens renuested that the Staff present a review of our trail system to this Commsission by the end of January, so we can take proper action at a future date and how it :fits with the regional plans. 5. Shoreland Hanarrement Ordinance 'Jerts spoke to the Ordinance and its treatment of different types of Lake- shore, and to the three classifications of lakes by the State which are: recreational developmentwaters, natural environment waters, and general development waters. Kruell questioned why the shoreline defined a body of water rather than low lying areas and whether it meant that any low lying area would be subject to development. Anderson spoke to a standing invitation from Mr. Gebhordt, Engineer for Riley/Purgatory Creek Watershed District, to make a presentation at any time. Several questions were brought up regarding classification of lakes and lowland& "Shoreline Profile" as contained in the Shoreland Management Ordinance. MOTION: Kin-rey moved to table the first draft of the Shoreland Management Ordinance and direct the Staff to report back to the Commission on the ques- tions listed above, seconded by Kruell. Motion carried unanimously. 6. Development Prouosnls a. GOR Investment ,Jerts spoke to the proposal which was located south of Highway 5 and west of Go. Rd. /+, and recommended a "cash park fee" and 8 ft. wide trail along Co. Rd. 4• MOTION: Tangen moved to accept recommendation by Werts of a trail along Co. Rd. 4 and the "cash park fee" be applied to the COR Investment proposal. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. b. INyaren Estates Tlerts spoke to the Nygren Estates proposal located south of Hidden Ponds Development, reconnnendiag application of "cash park fee" and right-of-way for a trail along Va11ey View Rd. 1,L)TION: Tangen moved to accept the Staff recommendation of "cash park fee" and trail. right-of-way along; Valley View Rd. for the Nygren Estates proposal. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. Minutes - Parks, Recreation approved and Natural Resources Commission -5- Monday, Dec. 5, 1977 1 6. Development Promsals (cont d) c. Amsden Hills 2nd Addition 'Alerts spoke to the proposal explaining that this land involves the Preserve school/park site and we cannot assess "cash park feels to this proposal.. Anderson, responding to question by Kruell, said this area is not part of the regular PUD, where originc1. agreement of "cash-in-lieu of land was made. Motion:Kruell moved to obtain clarification of original boundaries in the original PUD and to determine impact on this proposal. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. , Worts commented that the proposal was on the Council. Agenda for I consideration this week. VI. OLD BUSIMESS A. Round Inke Park - Valley View Road M1 Anderson spoke to the question, with most of the Corunissioners expressing doubt about resolution of the problem by this Commission. NOTION: Garens moved, that in view of the fact that it will not have any effect, we recommend to the Council that they re-assess their stand of favoring the southern route as not being advantageous to the school for safety snd environmental reasons, and that they consider the northern route or two roads corning in from both sides, allowing access without the need for an underpass or overpass. Kruell seconded. DISCUSSION: Anderson expressed his concern that the use of an underpass or overpass would discourage use by students of the Round Lake section, noting the new emphasis on environmental study and such activities as cross country skiing. In response to comment that students will still have to cross the road to reach the athletic field with the northern route, Kruell pointed out that the State has mandated that the property not be cut up by the northern route. Garons and Kruell. withdrew M)TION and second. 1•10TION: Garens moved to recommend to the Council, that in view of the fact that this area is both a recreational area and school site, that a road not be put there because of conflict with safety and environmental factors, and that an alternate route be considered. Kruell seconded, ruotion carried unnnimously. C. Fifi.el.d left at 10:00 PM. Minutes - Parks, Recreation approved Cand Natural Resources Commission - 6 - Monday, Dec. 5, 1977 VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Round Lake Park - Valley View Road (conttd) MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend to the Council that immediate resolution be made of the school/park development in order to facili- tate the orderly development of the park. Tangen seconded, motion carried unanimously. B. Potential Purgatory Creek Funding - Kruell Kruell spoke to presentation made by Jessen, and requested information on the progress of funding. Werts responded that this item is on the Council Agenda and that she will follow its progress and report back to the Commission. VII. NVW BUSINESS A. Discussion of Streets Plannincy and Its Imnnct on Natural Resources Kruell spoke to the need for information on potential road allignments with regard to natural.resources, before proposals are processed. MOTION: Kruell..moved to direct the Staff to advise the PR & NR commission in advance of any road construction which affects natural resources as of this date. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. B. Future Persi ectives MOTION: Garens moved to table this item until the next meeting. Tangen seconded, motion carried unanimously. VIII. ADJOURAI14MIT MOTION. Kingrey moved to adjourn at 10:1.5 PM. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Donna Stanley Recording Secretary l i AGENDA EDE14 PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, DECEMBER 19, 1977 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell, George Tangen, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Sandy Werts, Acting Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF MONDAY, DECEMBER 5, 1977 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS & COMMUNICATIONS A. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. B. Reports of. Staff 7.45 1. Wood Utilization Program 8.15 2. 1977-78 Winter Outings Registration 8:20 3. 1978 Winter Recreation Programs 8:30 4. Development Proposals_ a. Golden Strip b. Nestlebrook VI. OLD BUSINESS 9:00 A. Shoreland Management Ordinance 9:15 B. Amsden Hills - 2nd Addition 9:20 C. Purgatory Creek Funding VII. NEW BUSINESS A. 9:30 VIII. ADJOURNMENT :APPROVED EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION 1,1014DAY, DECE 4BER 19, 1977 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL 1,MiBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, William Garens, Robert Kruell, George Tangen, and Mary Upton IM,SERS EXCUSED: Steve Fifield and Jerry Kingrey STATE PRESENT: Sandy Werts, Acting Director of Community Education,&Stuart Fox, City Forester II. APPROVAL OF AGEIIDA Addition of VI. D. Guide Plan - Garens MOTION: Upton moved to approve the Agenda as published and amended. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. III. 11INUTES OF MONDAY, DECE24BER 5. 1M Pg. 3, para. 3, strike "trail", insert "Road". 1,10TION: liruell moved to approve the Minutes of Monday, December 5, 1977 as published and amended. Garens seconded, requesting that "Future r ; Perspectives" be included on the next Agenda. Motion carried, with Upton abstaining because of absence. IV. PETITIONS. REQUESTS & C0I,94UNICATIONS None V. :?F.COM,1ENDATIONS AND REPORTS ' B. Wood Utilization Progr.&m Stuart Fox, City Forester, spoke to his sun=jry report of December 16 i on wood utilization alternatives, and responded to questions. Garens questioned the possibility of a central assembly point where } the public could come in and cut their wood. Fox responded that in the usuage of oak, 2% of the oak went to the landfill, and the rest ' to the landowners. He spoke to 300 oaks marked this year, which will be utilized by private owners. Fox spoke to new rules and regulations for use of wood due in the spring. He responded to questions on the saw mill operation re- ferred to in the report, present enforcement of the Ordinance by the City, and qualifications of tree inspectors - saw mill operator interested in undiseased trees only, enforcement of Ordinance above average and uniform with some weak points such as labor shortage and equipment problem, and inspectors possess training in forestry and have all passed State Certification Test required. Minutes — Parks, Recreation and Lapproved Natural Resources Commission — 2 — Monday, Dec. 19, 1977 B. Reports of. Stgff 1. 1-lood Utilization Pronram (conttd) Kruell fu.rtha questioned Fox on long range projections for control of diseased elms. Fox responded that he feels the city will lose 15,000 to 16,000 dutch elm trees next year. Fie felt the City's iden— tification program and pick up program will be good next year and spoke to the increase in public awareness and cooperation. t Kruell and Garens expressed opposition to the spending of tax money for trying to control dutch elm disease, which they felt could not be done, and were in favor of using the funds for reforestation and utilization of dead elms. Fox responded that trying to control the r disease was delaying an inevitable result, buteconsistent sanitation program does work. He spoke to the isolated wood lots in rural areas that are self—contained. Anderson questioned Fox about trees which have to come down on City property. Pox responded that Anderson Lakes had about 400 trees that should come down this year, and felt they could separate the trees and stockpile them for use by the public, adding that he felt it would work nwre efficiently than a central location. t ; Fox spoke to the possibility of a Hennepin County sponsored chipping site in the N.E. corner of the City, the possibility of a saw mill ; beinE: located within the City's boundaries, and a utilization proposal for the purchase of elm logs for manufacture of lumber. Ile recommended a chipping site as the best utilization .of wood. s t Tangen requested that Fox report to the Commission, after new State regulations are released. A. Reports of Commissioners None. '4erts presented information on the scheduled public hearing by the Metro— rolitan Airports Commission at the Vocational Technical School on January 12 at 7:30 PM; She also informed the Commission that both the 1978 Athletic Court grant and grant application for 1978 for trail development at Staring; Lake were turned down. B. 2. 1-977-78 Winger Outinns Rer:istrAtion 'ierts alloke to the current status of the "Winter Outings" registration. No action required. 3. 1.97 -,linter Recreation Prorrram C 'dorts spoke to the memo of December 16th, and responded to general questions about the program. hinutes - Parks, Recreation and Lapproved Natural Resources Commission - 3 - Monday, Dec. 19, 1977 C 3. 1978 Winter Recreation Program ' (cont'd) 140TION: Tangen moved to approve the 1978 Winter Recreation Program as presented in the Memo of December 16, 1977. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. .4. Development Proposals a. Golden Strip Werts spoke to the background of the Golden Strip proposal, recommend- ing acceptance of the terms of the 1976 re-zoning agreement, along with addition of open space dedication. MOTION 1: Upton moved that regarding the Golden Strip proposal, on Block 1, Lot 3, that the flood plain land from the utility easement be also dedicated to the City. Tangen seconded, motion carried with Kruell. voting; °nay' . � MOTION 2: Kruell moved that the PR & NR Commission observes that the Golden Stria proposal currently in front of the Commission contains several revisions from that earlier discussed, and therefore, requests that the Jouncil delay any action on the proposal until this Commission has had a chance to study the proposal as conceived and presented by the developer. Upton seconded. Motion was withdrawn. t MOTION 31 Kruell moved that in view of the previous Council recommen- dation that this Commission review every project, the PR & NR Commission requests that the Jouncil delay any action on the Golden Strip proposal in order to have the developer make a presentation about his project changes and revisions, which affect significant natural resources. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. 1,DTION 4: Garens moved to rescind MOTION 1, in view of 1,DTION 3. Tangen seconded, motion carried unanimously. (Vote was taken after Tangen left the meeting at 9:30 PM) IQOTION 5: Garens moved that we recommend to the Council, that in view of 21OTION 3, these are the factors we do not understand: (1.) Dedica- tion of Block 1., lot 3. (2.) the standing; of outlot F (3•) how the Condon tdaegle Drive got platted in the flood plain. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. b. Ne,tlobrook Werts spoke to the proposal, explaining that the Guide Plan shows this area as primary park with single family surrounding it. She added that a major portion is wet land, and entire parcel is in the transition zone as identified by the Purgatory Creek Study, with the preliminary ( plan indicating park dedication of 1.4 acres. Minutes - Parks, Recreation and approved Natural Resources Commission - 4 - Monday, Dec. 19, 1977 R b. Nestlebrook (con-It) Garens inquired how the proposal would tie in with the Maple Leaf Acres development. Werts responded that it is more or less consis- tent except the density is a little more than Maple Leaf Acres, and precedence was established in Maple Leaf Acres. MOTION: Garens moved to table the Nestlebrook proposal until the next meeting, in view of the fact that we do not know who owns the land south of the proposal, and block 2, lots 1, 2, & 4 look like an e:ctention of procedure followed for Maple Leaf Acres, which was an exception to the rule. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Shoreland Management Ordinance Werts spoke to communication with Mr. Fred 'Richards, Attorney for the T" Riley/Purgatory Oreek Watershed District and Mr. Al Gebhardt, engineer, and their agreement to attend the January 16th meeting. R � B. Amsd.en Hills - 2nd Addition C Werts responded to the direction given at a previous meeting, explain- ing that this area was a part of the original PUD and no park dedica- tion was necessary. She spoke to a Memo from Mr. Don Brauer on review of Edenvale and Preserve PUD which will be discussed by the Council. MOTIONt Kruell moved that the Conmaission request the presence of the people who have the background about the Preserve and Edenvale park land dedication rroblem. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. C. Purfzatory Creek Funding r Werts informed the Coimm:ission that this subject was tabled at the last Council meeting, and will be considered at the next meeting. � D. Guide Plan - Garens Garens requested copies of the preliminary summary re-cap of the Guide Plan. 'alerts, in response to request from the Commission for information on proposed roads, referred Commissioners to transportation section of the Guide Plan, as per suggestion of City Engineer Jullie. Kruell requested information on status of Valley View Road building. VIII. DJ OURI RIKIT Gnrens moved to adjourn at 10:1.5 PbI. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary