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Parks and Recreation - 11/21/1977 1977 NOVEMBER 79 21 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 1977 7; 30 P.M., CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell, George Tangen, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF OCTOBER 3, 1977 MEETING IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:40 A. Request to have "Name-the-Park" Contest for Preserve Playground 7:45 B. Communication from Jim and Audrey Bublitz - Land along Purgatory Creek (- 7:50 C. Request by Snowdrifters Snowmobile Club to sponsor Trail Grant Application V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 8:00 1. Discussion of Wood Utilization in the Forestry Program - Anderson B. Reports of Staff 8:15 1. 1977-78 Winter Outdoor Rec. Program a. Skating Season b. Cross Country Ski Race 8:40 2. Potential of Purgatory Funding 9:00 3. Regional Trail System Plan 9:15 4. Possibility of City Grooming Cross Country Ski Trails on Edenvale Golf Course r (over) i Parks, Recreation and Natural -2- November 7/77 Resources Commission VI. OLD BUSINESS A. B. VII. NEW BUSINESS 9:30 A. Development Proposals 1. Olympic Hills 3rd F, 4th 2. Knoble Addition 10:00 VIII. ADJOURNMENT i APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMMER 7, 1977 7230 P.M., CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell, George Tangen, and Mary Upton COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Sandy Werts, Recreation Supervisor OTHERS PRESENT: Mrs. Diana Pauling, Preserve, Earl Sickmann, Snowdrifters Snowmobile Club, and Al Brekke, Snowdrifters Snowmobile Club Y II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Addition of V.B.5. Status of 1978 Grant Applications - Jessen "VI.A. Designation of City Staff for City Street Conf iot with Natural Resources - Deferred from Sept. 19th meeting Addition ofVII.A.3. Park Improvement Bonds. - Kruell B. Idlewild Lake - Anderson MOTION: Kingrey moved to approve the Agenda as published and amended. i Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. III. IiINUTES OF OCTOBER S. 1977 MKRTING r MOTION: Garens moved to accept the minutes of October 3, 1977 meeting as published. Fifield seconded, motion carried, with Kruell and Upton abstaining. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATION A. Request to have "Name thePark" Contest for Preserve Playground Jessen spoke to the request by Preserve residents to conduct a "Name-the-Park" contest to be published in their Homeowner's Associa- tion newsletter. 1 Tars. Diana Pauling, 10805 Northmark Drive, requested direction on how to proceed and whether the Commission would make the decision after the names are submitted. Jessen responded that names should be submitted to the Commission, with review by a committee made up of a representative from the Historical Society, School Board, Ralph Nesbitt (former owner of the land) and possibly others. Kruell was concerned that limiting the contest to the Preserve may generate antagonism. Pauling responded that it could be open to all residents, and possibly to publish it in the E.P. News also. � Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 2 - Monday, Nov. 7, 1977 i A. Request to have "Name-the-Park"....Preserve Plavaround (cont'd) MOTION: Garens moved to recommend that the Preserve Homeowners Association submit five names to this Commission, which they have chosen after publishing in the Homeowners Association newsletter and in the local newspaper; with review by a sub-committee composed of: a member of PR & NR Commission, School Board Preserve Homeowners Association, Ralph Nesbitt (former owner of land and a member at large; and one name to be ultimately recommended to the Council and awarded the designated prize. Upton seconded, motion carried unani- mously. B. Communication from Jim and Aud;Cev Bublitz - Land alone P,grFratory Creek Jessen spoke to the communication of November 1, 1977 received from Mrs. Bublitz addressing their desire for the City to proceed to appraise and negotiate an option to acquire their property similar to the option previously secured for land in that section. He explained that the Bublitz's 32.8 acres was the final piece of land to be acquired in the lower Purgatory Creek area. KrueLl asked whether it was delineated in the Purgatory Creek Study. Jessen responded affirmative, and that it was located in the conservan- cy zone. He indicated route of the creek on the property, explaining that the land sloped gently toward the creek valley. Jessen spoke to the City proceeding to try to negotiate an option for an extended period of time, after appraisal, with the hope of securing funds from the Metro Council and LAWCON. Kingrey expressed concern about ballooning payments and whether the City would be able to handle this financially. Jessen explained that the City has few outstanding debts on land acquision except for fee options, which can be terminated after the time limit is expired, with no further obligation and minimal loss financially. MOTION: Kingrey moved to request that the Council authorize appraisal of the Bublitz property, and upon receipt of the appraisal, bring back to this Commission for further review. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. C. Request by Sno drifters Snowmobile Club to sponsor Trail Grant Application Mr. Earl. Sickman, representing the Snowdrifters Snowmobile Club, indi- cated the route of 15 to 20 miles of snowmobile trails, and spoke to their desire to apply for Minnesota DNR funds for marking and grooming of the trails in the City, and requested the City to serve as the spon- sor for such a trail grant application. i Minutes - Parks, Recreation and approved Nov. 7s 1977 Natural Resources Commission - 3 - Monday., uest by Snowdrifters Snowmobile Club.., Grant Application (cont'd) Jessen explained that the Club has received authorization for these trails. and that we are now talking about improvements on how it will be done. He added that he felt we could enter with the Club for in- stallation of signs and maintenance of trails, and that the trails would be marked clearly by the Club and publicity would be low key. Kingrey questioned what the status was of the Minnesota Valley Wildlife Refuge plan and whether this would have any effect on the request. Jessen responded tbatthe U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service was in the process of beginning appraisals for acquisition and that he was unsure of the status other than that,. He added that, according to the Minnesota State Trails plan, there are conflicting trails at this time, and that there has been no effort by the State to proceed with their plan. 9 Mr. Al Brekke, also .representing the Snowmobile Club, responded to the Question by Kruell on the trail connection with St. Bonifacius and Chanhassen, explaining that funding will not be granted if a trail is planned across a lake. He added that he did not feel they would have trouble going around the lake because they have been well received by landowners, but that it would take time. Anderson inquired how long the landowner is obligated. Jessen answered that it was usually one year, or the term of the lease. Kruell asked whether the City would incur any liability, and how much of the trails is on City owned property. Jessen responded that the liability is less than on ungroomed trails, and that the trail does go through Staring Lake Park. MOTION: Kruell moved to recommend that the City Council sponsor the � grant application for the trail system requested by the Snowdrifters Snowmobile Club, with the understanding that there will be no cost to the City. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. V. RECOba4ENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Discussion of Wood Utilization in the Forostr�_Pam - Anderson Anderson spoke to the waste of usuable wood in the City by either having the elm trees buried or chipped, and suggested finding a method of making this wood available for residents to cut up for their use. Be added that the citizens are funding a large share of this program, and suggested that it be taken to a certain lo- cation, where people could come in and cut it. ( Jessen spoke to the present plans by Hennepin County to open a wood disposal site in Eden Prairie, and responded to the sugges- tion of making wood available for citizens, explaining that 1 Minutes - Parks, Recreation and Approved Natural. Resources Cormnission - L, - Monday, Nov. 7, 1977 f� Discussion of Wood Util-ization...... Program (cont'd) the site should be on community property. lie added that it would be a liability risk, and that the logistics would also be a problem. Krue11 felt that we should either re-state our objectives about the Dutch elm/oak wilt program, or require that everyone comply with the State law regarding disposal. Jessen said review of control zone of the program was in progress, which would include some revisions. Garens expressed favor of utilizing the wood, suggesting that oak be made available, cut in the suggested lengths. I40TION: Garens moved to recommend that the Staff prepare a feasibility report of hauling skeleton elm and oak to a City owned location, with pub- lication that it was for citizen use, and review by the City Attorney. Tangen seconded. AMENDIINT TO TI;E MOTION: Kingrey requested addition of: as well as direct the Staff to investigate and report on feasibility of other ways of utili- zation. Garens and Tangen accepted S, AMENDED I40TION: Garens moved to recommend that the Staff prepare and imple- ment a feasibility report of hauling skeleton elm and splitable oak, in con- formance with Ordinance, to a City owned location, with publication that it was for citizen use. and review by the City Attorney; as well as direct the Staff to investigate and report on feasibility of other ways of utilization. Tangen seconded, motion carried unanimously. D. Reports of Staff 1. 1977-78 Winter Outdoor Rec. Program a. Skating season - Recreation Supervisor Werts spoke to brochure on Et ' winter 'outings°, covering operation of major and mini-rinks, ski lessons, figure skating lessons, and activities over the Christmas holidays, and asked for suggestions. Anderson suggested the possibility of a mid-week ski trip for junior and or senior high students, week-end trip for adults or F high school students, and designated sliding hills with electrically ` timed lighting. i Jensen spoke to the memo regarding skating rinks, noting that the Edenvale rink will not be accomplished this year because of the large amount of work and no fee ti,ble obtained. He noted the four major rinks that would be open located at Forest Hills, Prairie View, Round Lake and the Preserve, ' r Minutes - Parks, Recreation and approved Natural Resources Commission - 5 - Monday,, Nov. 7, 1977 �r a. Skating Seas (cont'd) Worts requested an official closing policy for extremely cold weather and spoke to the unofficial polioy�by HASP of not scheduling hockey events when the wind chill is -150according to WCCO. Jessen spoke to the efficiency ,budget factor and to the loss of money last year. Kruell felt that the policy should be closing at -350to-400, or you will be limiting availability of skating. Worts referred to lack of attendance when the wind chill was around -150 last year, for both skating and skiing lessons. Anderson spoke to the closing g policy of the Lake Conference meets, as well as the Northstar Cross Country meets, which was —150 wind chill. MOT�ON: Upton moved-to adopt.the policy of when the wind chill is -20 , according to WCCO, one hour before opening of the rinks, that the rinks are to be closed. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. Tangen commented that there is considerable difference in the wind chill factor depending on where the sites are located, and--that. openi'ng and closing of rinks can be a problem, referring to the statement by Worts that if there is a warm up during the day, the rinks could re-open. YDTIONs Garens moved to accept the Staff recommendation of November kth concerning skating rinks, both major and mini. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. Fifield suggested publication of policy in the brochure and"H appenings". B.4. Possibility of City Grooming Cross Country Ski Trails on Edenvale Golf Course Anderson commented that Menvale is providing a service to our community by permitting use of the golf course as cross country ski area, and notIAg that Edenvale does not have any grooming equipment, requested the use of City equipment. DDTION: Garens moved to recommend that the Staff present plan to accomplish s; the maintenance of cross country ski trails at Edenvale, and perhaps other locations in Eden Prairie. Tangen seconded, motion carried unanimously. Upton left at 9:10 PM. B.l.b. Cross Country Ski Race N ;forts spoke to tentative dates with Edenvale For a race in January- February, as a joint venture with the Eden Prairie Cancer Association, explaining that it would be a community wide family type of event. Kruell inquired whether considerations have been given to working out this race under the VJC race. Worts felt the race should be in E.P., and also noted the difference between the family type race which was Minutes - Parks, Recreation and . ,approved Natural Resources Commission -6 - Monday, Nov. 7, 1977 B.l.b. Cross Country Ski Race (cont'd) planned and the VJC race run by the Northstar Club, with 3,000 skiers participating. MOTIONS Kruell moved to implement the Cross Country Ski Race, as a joint venture with the Eden Prairie Cancer Association,as �. outlined in the memo of November k, 1977 received from Werts. Fifield seconded, motion carried unanimously. Werts spoke to Lmzo on the use of Round Lake building, and recommend- . ed a change from 010 to $25 as a deposit, because of poor condition that the building is being left in. i .. IERO: Garens moved to recommend that we increase required deposit fee to $25, with $5 being used for person to check on the building, � and the $20 would be refunded if building was left in order, with a midnight curfew for users at the Round Lake building to be incorpora- ted as a condition of the permit. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. i i 2. Potential of Purgatory Fundy ' i C Jessen spoke to action taken at the meeting of Sept. 19th by the Commission directing an investigation by the Staff as to the availability of acquir- ing land in Duck Lake Trail Sector of Purgatory Creek.(Edengate & Markum) lie briefly explained two options that were possible, th6lborrowing" of money for use in purchasing the land from the Metropolitan Parks Founda- tion or from"an Eden Prairie Parks Foundation". Jessen responded to questions onswhether this was comparable to a miniature natural conservancy body - is on the same level but geared to recreation, ; rather than research and conservation; whether the Council has considered this - need for a plan to be submitted at December 6th meeting, as Council has not discussed this item. 1,10TION: Kruell moved that "potential of Purgatory funding" be included on Nov. r� 15th0ounell Agenda, and that we recommend that the Council consider this t� method of funding for Purgatory Creek lands and others. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. 3. Regional Trail. System P19A MOTION: Garens moved to table Regional Trail System Plan because infor- mation was not, available. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. 4. Possibility of City Grooming cross Country Ski Trails on Edenvale Golf Comma Previously discussed and action taken. Minutes - Parks. Recreation and approved Natural Resources Commission - 7 - Monday, Nov. 7, 1977 5. Status of 1978 Grant Applictjtions Jessen spoke to the status on applications received by the Metro Council and State Planning Agencies and that Eden Prairie was nineteenth on the list, mainly because we were put into the "Planned urbanization" cate- gory. Iie explained that there are three groups,"CentralCity","Planned Urbanization", and "free standing service". He added that the City is eighth out of thirty on application for trail funds at Starring Lake, and almost at the bottom of the Govenor's Athletic Court Games list which we applied for handball courts. Kruell inquired about the present status of the LAWCON funds for develop- ment at Round Lake, and whether the division is being resolved. Jessen responded to meeting scheduled with the School Board on that issue. Kingrey asked about timing on work that was to be done this year at Round Lake, after decision on the road is reached. Jessen said there would not be enough time to proceed with any work this year. Garens left at 9:40 PM. VI. OJD BUSINESS A. Designation of City Staff for Citg Street Conflict th Natural Resourcea. Deferred from Sept. 19th meeting Kruell Kruell requested that this item be placed on the next agenda. XII. NEW BUSINESS A. Development Proposals S 1. OIMRic Hills 3rd & 4th Jessen spoke to the proposal which the Council has specifically re- ferred to the Commission for consideration. He recommended securing "cash park fee" and sufficient right-of-way for construction of a trail along Co. Rd. 1. Commissioners were concerned with plans by the developer to include two lots on fairway 17, and questioned �Aaether the Commission had the right to comment on private recreation. Jessen assured the Commission that they could legitimately comment on a situation such as this. Tangen commented that he considered it a potential safety hazard to have housesin the middle of a golf course. z MOTION: Kingrey moved that we indicate to the Council our feeling that a "cash park fee" is applicable to this proposal and should be NI implemented, and that we recommend that the Council direct the dedi- cation of the right-of-way on the north side of Co. Rd. 1 for use as a trail. Kruell seconded. Minutes - Pnrks, Recreation and .approved Natural Resources Commission - 8 - Monday, Nov. 7, 1977 1. Olympic Hills (cont1d) Kruell requested revision of the motion to include elimination of lots that cross the fairway. Kingrey refused the revision, commenting that he did not fee]. the Commission should be dealing with this point and that the Planning Commission is well aware of the situation. Jessen commented that it has been reviewed by the Planning Commission and they felt it was not a desirable situation. Kingrey requested an amendment to the Motions an expression of our con- cern to the Council of the potential hazard resulting from the allign- ment and encroachment of the allignment by the drive-way to lots 1 and 2 on fairway 17. The amendment died for lack of a second. VOTE: 4 Tangen called the question, and the vote was taken. The motion carried unanimously. A MOTION: Tangen moved that we recommend to the Council that they look carefully at eliminating lots 1 and 2 within the 3rd addition, which lies within the bounds of the golf course, because of possible hazards that appear to be present if such lots were platted. Fifield seconded, motion carried, with Kingrey casting the dissenting vote. s. 2. Knoblc Addition a� Jessen spoke to the proposal and to the request of the Council that the Commission take action on the item. i I MOTION: Tangen moved that we recommend to the Council the ticash park feel' be required, and right-of-way for trail on the east side of 168th .for the Knoble Addition. Kruell seconded. � n DISCUSSION Kingrey questioned whether the normal zoning of these properties was considered when proposed traffic was laid out on park sites, and whether c it had significant share of people coming from a five acre tract. Jessen responded that they feel the sites can accomodate the use, adding; that this project would give us ;800 more than we had anticipated. VOTE: Tangen called the question, and the motion carried with Kruell casting; the dissenting vote. r 3. Park Improvement Bogdds_ - Kruell q Kruell requested a cash flow sheet indicating the source and spend- in of funds generated from park bond referendum of 1968. Jessen res- ponded that he would provide the sheet, but assured Kruell that all park acquisition studies, reports etc. come before the Commission for considers- 4 tion. Kruell accepted the assurance. B. Idlewild Lake - Anderson Anderson spoke to request by Mr. Cal Anderson for investigation back into Minutes - Parks, Recreation approved Monday, Nov. 7, 1977 and Natural Resources Com. - 9 - City maps for an official name designated to this lake, located next to Rosemount Engineering. Kruell expressed concern that the lake was being filled in on the shore- line. ADDITIONAL ITEMS: Anderson extended an invitation to Commissioners to attend the MRFA to be held on November 8th at the St. Paul Radisson Hotel at 4:30. Jessen announced his acceptance of a new position with the Pietro Parks and Open Space Commission. MOTION: Tangen moved to place on the next Agenda the request for recommenda- tions .from Jessen for future direction of the Commission. Kruell seconded, r motion carried unanimously. VIII. ADJOURNN=1 MOTION: Tangen moved to adjourn at 10:30 PM. Kruell seconded, motion } carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Donna Stanley Recording Secretary • l i i d AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 1977 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell, George Tangen, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 7, 1977 MEETING IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS, AND COMMUNICATIONS A. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS tA. Reports of Commissioners 1. B. Reports of Staff 7:45 I. Stable Improvement Possibilities 8:00 2. 1978 Community Development Projects 8:15 3. Research on a Name for Cal Anderson's 8:20 Pond 4. Regional Trails Plan 8:30 S. Shoreland Management Ordinance 8:45 6. Development Proposals a. COR Investment b. Nygren Estates VI. OLD BUSINESS 9:00 A. Round Lake Park - Valley View Road B. C Parks, Recreation $ Natural -2- Mon. Nov. 21, 1977 CResources Commission VII. NEW BUSINESS 9:15 A. Discussion of Streets Planning And Its Impact on Natural. Resources 9:30 B. Future Perspectives 10:00 VIII. ADJOURNMENT C r UNAPPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARK, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMIaSSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 1977 7:30 PM,CITY HALL MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, Robert Kruell, George Tangen MEMBERS EXCUSED: Williams Garens, Steve F'ifield, Jerry Kingrey, and Mary Upton STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Chairman Anderson canceled the meeting for lack of a quorum. Submitted by, Donna Stanley Recording Secretary i i