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Parks and Recreation - 09/19/1977 1977 SEPTEMBER 19 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION i �. MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 1977 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell, George Tangen, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services i Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF August 15, 1977 MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 29, 1977 SPECIAL MEETING IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:40 A. Notification of Approval of Tennis Court Funding 7:45 B. Lots for Sale in Cedar Ridge V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 7:50 1. Parkway Designations B. Reports of Staff 8:00 1, Bryant Lake Park - Status of Bren Property Acquisition 8:10 2, 1977 Fall Recreation Program Registration Report 8:15 3. John Markum Property Analysis 8:25 4. Regional Trail System.Plan 8:30 S. Development Proposals a. Edengate b. Country Vista VI. OLD BUSINESS 9:00 A. Parkland Dedication/CASH PARK FEE Policies 9:20 B. Commission Goals Parks Recreation $ Natural -2- Mon. Sept. 19/77 CReforestation Commission VII. NEW BUSINESS A. B. i 9:45 VIII. ADJOURNMENT i p. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, SEPTEtMER 19, 1977 7:30 P.M. CITY HALL i M1VIBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell, and Mary Upton MEMBERS EXCUSED: George Tangen STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Tim Pierce, Mike Gair, Dahl.gren Assoc., and Jerry Catt II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Addition of VI.C. Liquor Store revenue - Kingrey D. Maple Leaf Acres nark - Kruell u �► E. Forestry - Kruell VII.A. Construction street maintenance - Kruell Kruell requested that V.1. be discussed before Development Proposals. MOTION: Kingrey moved to approve the Agenda as published and amended. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. } III. 1IIIUTE-S OF AUGUST 15. 1977 MEETING i. Pg. 2, para. 4, sent. 2, add ", speaking specifically to the Prairie Village Yall and McDonald's Restaurant." Pg. 3, para. 6, line 2, delete "the need for more" It It it it 3, " "He added", add ;adding": Pg. 4, para. 7, sent. 6, add "a portion of" before "the 400 ft. strip"; add "rear of" before "the single family houses"; delete "would", add "could" after"townhouses". Pg. 6, 2nd to last para., delete 11$15,00; add Yr16,000" It g, 1st para, 2nd sent., add "power generating plant" after "ATITKOKAN". r MOTION: Kruell moved to accept the Minutes of the August 15, 1977 meeting as published and amended, seconded by Fifield. Motion carried, with Garens abstaining. 1,1I1IUTES OF AUGUST 29, 1977 SPECIAL MEETING h� Pcg. 3, para. 4, delete "safety and over use of electricity as we expand the need for more power"; add "increasing utility needs and potential wasteful practices that could result. A dedicated effort toward conservation should be made. " 1•10TION: Kingrey moved to accept the minutes of the August 29, 1977 special mentin- ns published and amended, seconded by Kruell. Motion carried unani- C110usly. 1 Minutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Natural Resources Commission - 2 - 14Ionday, Sept. 19, 1977 c" IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Notification of approval of tennis court fundine Jessen spoke to the acceptance of the Athletic Court Grant Application for the funding of construction of tennis courts at Forest Hills, and to the possibility of transferring this money to other sites as a separate tennis court has been built at Forest Hills. Kingrey commented that he would hate to have a decision made on the basis that Forest Hills has tennis courts, which he described as two nets strung up for the kids to hit a ball over. Garens asked about funding for the other courts. Jessen responded i -they have been re-submitted for next year. Furthercomments were made to the effect of the closeness of Prairie View to Round Lake, where tennis courts are available; the large amount of construction taking place in the northwest part of Eden Prai.rief and Jessen's opinion that the amount of the funding ' would not cover the construc- tion of courts at Flying Cloud or Birch Island. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend to the Council to enter into the contract and proceed to construct the tennis courts at Forest Hills, as per letter of September 6th, received from Office of Local and Urban Affairs re:Athletic Court Grant Application. Fifield seconded, motion carried unanimously. B. Lots for Sale in Cedar Ridize Jessen spoke to the two lots for sale in the Cedar Ridge neighborhood, noting that this was one of the better neighborhoods for maintaining the mini-rinks. It was generally felt that the use would be limited of these lots. MOTION: Garens moved that we should not proceed to acquire the Cedar Ridge lots in question, but to inquire into the possibility of the City Hall site purchase;. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. Upton arrived at 8:00 PM. V. U,001 II MMATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners Agenda amended to move this item for discussion before _Development t Proposnl s. r Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Approved Natural Resources Commission - 3 - Monday, Sept. 19, 1977 B. Reports of Staff 1. Bryant Lake Park - Status of Bren Property Acouisition Jensen informed the Commission that the Bryant Lake Park funding will be considered by the Council, and explained the background briefly of the parcels in question. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend to -the Council to enter into the contract to purchase the Bren, property at Bryant Lake. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. DISCUSSION: Jessen answered questions on the procedure for financing the purchase of the property, explaining that the City is entering a contract for deed at the request of the Brens, and that this is more advantageous to the City. Kruell asked how much land the City presently owned and Jessen responded that parcels two through six are owned by the City, with parcel number one dropped from the Lawcon funding list. 2. 1977 Fall Recreation Program Registration Report Jessen spoke to the memo from Recreation Supervisor Werts regarding the Fall Recreation Program, commenting that the memo was a status report only, and not conclusive on the registration numbers. Jessen assured Commissioners that programs with insufficient registration numbers to enable the program to break even would be dropped. Upton questioned whether the City had to guarantee the gymnastics program a certain amount of money, and Jessen answered that registration has to be sufficient to cover the cost of the instructors. MOTION: Garens moved to receive and file the memo of September 16th regarding the Fall Recreation Program. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. 3. John Msr1ham Property Analysis Jessen located the property, consisting of 57 acres - 70% of which is included in the Purgatory Creek open space conservancy zone, and spoke to an alternate plan submitted by Markham after meeting with City Planners. He explained that the plan includes the slopes and a large area on the creek. In discussing possible federal funding, Jessen suggested submitting the plan along with the Bluff acquisition plan for Purgatory Creek. lUpton inquired how much he was considering dedicating to the City. Jessen responded 15 acres of flood plain. I r Minutes — Parks, Rec. and Approved Natural Resources Commission — 4 — Monday, Sept. 19, 1977 Commissioners felt that the PR & NR Commission should reaffirm its stand on Purgatory Creek Study. MOTION: Garons moved to recommend to the Council that we proceed with the application for acquiring through dedication or through purchase of the Markham property, to tie in with the rest of the Purgatory Creek Study Plan. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. 4. Regional Trail System Plan Jessen spoke to the memo from Chris Enger regarding the regional trail system plan and the effort made to tie our local plan in with the Metropolitan Council's Trail Plan. Anderson- expressed concern for the lack of an access route to Bryant Lake, which is a regional park. Jessen explained that the only way to tie the area east/west is through a new bridge. MOTION: Garens moved to table the plan outlined in Memo of August 31, 1977 from Park Planner Enger, and have the Staff come back with a map indicating the three areasas outlined and a fourth area showing alternate accesses to Bryant Lake, and to be submitted to the County. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. CV.A.l. Parkway Desip-nations (moved from beginning of Agenda) Kruell questioned whether the City had a review process which takes into account the effect ofCity designated construction zones or streets which affects other studies .recognized by the City, such as the Purgatory Creek Study. He requested that this Commission address the situations where street or highway construction conflict with our natural resources. s Jessen suggested requesting a list of five to ten year road plans from ' City Engineer Jullie for evaluation of effect on our natural resources. MOTION: Kruell moved that the problem of roads and other City designated improvements be addressed by the Engineering Department and reviewed, evaluated and brouhhtback one month from today. Garens seconded, motion ti carried unanimously. 5. Development Proposals Jessen spoke to the Memo of September 16, outlining present proposal. He explained that the proposed units east of the parkway are in conflict with the Purgatory Creek Study. Ile explained further that because of pro— posed dedication of 74.5 acres, there has been suggestion to cut down the "cash park fee". Ile spoke to the dedication as being in compliance with the Study, and felt the City should not be involved with the buffer strip because of maintenance problems and also it is of questionable recreational value. Minutes - Park, Rec. and Approved Natural Resources Commission - 5 - Monday, Sept. 19, 1977 Mike Gair, Dahlgren Associates, briefly presented his proposal. He spoke to three tot lots, and to a provision for 100 foot right of way to permit accomodation of pedestrian and bicyle traffic and crossing. He explained their position that the 74 acres being dedicated and the value associated very adequately covers their obligation, and spoke to the reasonableness of the proposal, with the tot lots, tennis courts and swimming pool to alleviate recreation pressure on the City. r Upton asked whether the proposal called for the construction of bike trails along their roads. Gair responded that at this point, no trails are called. for, but noted that the trailway along Dell Road would be along the 100 foot right of way. Kruell questioned Gair about the 400 ft. buffer strip, to which Gair responded that it makes a logical place for a division as a buffer from the rear property line. He added that when we are dealing with a drainage way, it is better not to have a building as it might block drainage. Kingrey felt the City sbvuldrotacoept the 400 ft. strip as dedicated land. Anderson asked how Edengate proposal was in compliance with the Purgatory Creek Study. Gair explained that it was his understanding that the conservancy zone has been re-all.igned, and there would be development, and in recognition - the potential of that property has been shifted back to another point. Anderson pointed out that this plan did receive favorable response from this Commission previously, but that the "island" had not been included in that plan. The impact of the road allignment was discussed and the crossing of Purgatory Creek and how this would be accomplished. Gair commented that every effort would be made by the Engineering Department and provisions would be set forth so as not to destroy the creek area. a Kingrey inquired whether construction access route is subject to the City Engineer's approval. Jessen responded affirmative, and also is subject to the Watershed District's approval. << Itr. Jerry Catt, 18000 Duck Lake Trail, spoke in opposition to the Edengate Via. proposal, commenting that he feels the development will have a severe, detri- mental impact on that area. He added, they will appeal to the court and re- quest an environmental statement, if the proposal is given approval. Jessen, in referring to the suggestion of the cutting back of the CASH PARK A FEE, noted that the Bluff proposal contained dedicated land and also the CASH PART: FEE-% He spoke to the Purgatory Creek Study, noting that the work they y have done has been tempered some by the re-allignment of the Purgatory Creek ,. zone,. t 110TION: Kruell moved thnt the Staff be directed to integrate tho Purgatory Creak Study with the Edengate proposal and Markham question,&to proceed with initial acquisition steps to implement the Purgatory Creek Plan. Anderson .relinquished the chair, turning meeting over to Vice-chairman Garens. Anderson seconded. k �G Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Approved t9 Natural Resources Commission - 6 - Monday, Sept. 19, 1977 ' DISCUSSION: Kingrey expressed opposition to the motion, commenting that i he felt it was unfortunate that the "island" was included, but did not feel it would have that much of an adverse effect on the Creek. He felt the pro- N posal should be worked out with the Council and Planning Commission, and the PR and I9R Commission should state their position through a motion. Anderson felt that the proposal was an infringement on the area according to the Purgatory Creek Study, and, since he had committed himself to the I-n Study, he felt he should support it. t� 4. Catt noted that there are funds available for acquisition of the Creek, ? and spoke to Jesson�s success at receiving funding for various purposes. He urged the Commission to try for the acquisition funding. Kingrey expressed appreciation for the concern, but felt the proposal had ;.�. been around for a long time and we should act on it and not go back to a theoretical possibility. VOTE: The motion carried with a vote of /+-2, Kingrey and Garens casting the dissenting votes. F if ield left at 10:00 F14. Chairman Anderson ruled that lie would entertain a motion to adjourn at (` 10:30 PN- b. Country Vista Jessen spoke to the proposal and noted the elimination of the mini-park from the plan. Upton, commenting on the large amount of cul-de-sacs being built, questioned whether they were difficult to maintain for snow removal. Jessen responded that the Council has adopted some regulations so that maintenance is easier. 110TION: Garens moved to reconanend to the Council the approval of the Country Vista proposal with the CASH PARK YEE payment and construction of trails along Duck Lake Trail and :168th as outlined. Kingrey seconded. DISCUSSION: Kruell asked whether the 8 ft. asphalt trail was proposed to be between the sidowalk and ,street. Pierce responded that City Engineer Jullie had requested ample room for ten feet of green space between road and trail. A,MDI,1EN1 TO NOTION: Garens added ", and that trail along Duck Lake Trail con- sist of 8ft.wide ashphalt, separated from road surface by a green space." Kingrey accepted the amendment. Al-TIMED MOTION: Garens moved to recommend to the Council the approval of the Country Vista proposal with the CASII PARK FEE payment and construction of trails along Duct: Lake Trail and 168th as outlined.. and that the trail along Duck Lake Trail consist of 8it.wideasphalt, separated from road surface by a green space. Kingrey seconded. Motion carried unanimously. i Minutes - Parks, Rec. and ,approved Natural_ Resources Commission - 7 - Monday, Sept. 19, 1977 l VI. OLD BUSINESS A. 9&rU n_d Dedica'&ion/G_ASH PARK FE_ Policies Jessen summarized the CASH PARK FEE policies as previously discussed and spoke to questions by the Council whether the Preserve, Fdengate, and Hidden Ponds developments should be assessed. He offered three choices of actions 1. CASH PARK FEE be applied to these developments; 2. No CASH PARK FEE if the Preserve and Edenvale comply fully with PUD { terms; 3• Assess a partial assessment. Upton asked whether all service areas would generate enough funds for 'I a park site. Jessen responded that some areas are partially developed, ' therefore they would not have enough fees to acquire a park site, adding that the projected amount of fees collected throughout Eden Prairie would buy all of the land identified for neighborhood playground pur- poses and have monies left over. i Speaking to the memo of July 15, 1977 previously accepted by the Commission, he explained that the priorities were listed in this order to achieve the acquisition of all neighborhood playground sites in the Neighborhood Facilities Study. Garens felt that the CASH PARK FEE collected in one area should be used ( for that area. Jessen spoke to the value of the dedicated land by the Preserve and a Edenvale FUDs vs. what could have been generated through CASH PARK FEES indicating that the value of land dedication was less than the amount of cash which would be collected. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend to the Council that CASH PARK FEES t but not be used for the constructio1be thenrespons road ways,bilityy of tahe 1 construction of trails in neighborhoods developer; the City not assess the CASH PARK FEE in the Preserve, Edenvale, and Hidden Ponds, providing they live up fully to their open 1 space committments as per the 1970 Edenvale PUD Plan, The 1970 Preserve PUD Plan as amended by the Blacklock Study for Anderson Lakes Park, and the 1974 Hidden Ponds PUD Plan-and failure to comply with these committ- ments by mid 1978 would result in review of CASH PARK FEES and assessment of them. Policies stated on memo of July 15, 1977 are amended to show order of priority as 5.a, c, b, & d. Motion died for lack of a second. 14DTIONs Garens moved to recommend to the Council the above position with the exception of reversing the priorities from the July 15, 1977 memo, but instead retaining the order of priority as the Commission passed them on July 18, 1977. (a. Acquire neighborhood parkz sites in service .rarea; b. Acquire neighborhood park sites..in'other service areas with m)niea in access of above; c. Develop neighborhood park site in service area; and d. Acquire and/or develop community park areas and facilities with monies in access of above) Kruell: seconded, motion carried 5-4 with Kingrey casting the dissenting vote. Kingrey commented that he disagreed with the order of priority of no.through (d) because of many comments by residents that we should develop what we acquire. 5 i Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Approved Natural Resources Commission - 8 - Monday, Sept. 19, 1977 MOTION: Garens moved to adjourn at 10:40 PM. Kingrey seconded. Motion failed with a vote of 1-5, Garens voting °aye". Garens left at 10:40 PM. B. Commission Goals Jessen spoke to the updating of Goal statements and to the time schedule for accomplishing them. MOTION: Kingrey moved to receive and file the report on Commission Goals. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. Anderson requested a status report on Purgatory Creek. MOTION: Upton moved to adjourn at 10:50 PM. . Motion died for lack of a second. C. Linuor Store revenue - Kingrey Kingrey felt that with the liquor store opening it was the appropriate time to request a position statement from the Council as to; •generi Y' where the t revenues would go. He said he would like to see them used for neighbor- hood playgrounas, adding that if people know what the revenues will be used F for, they are more likely to patronize the store. r C_ MOTION: Kingrey moved, that because of the liquor store opening, we feel this is the appropriate time to request a position statement from the Coun- cil on the use of the revenues generated. Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously. D. Maple Leaf Acres Park - Kruell Previously discussed. E. Forestry - Kruell MOTION: Kruell moved to table "Forestry", seconded by Kingrey. Motion carried unanimously. VII. NE7,4 BUSINESS A. Construction otreet maintenance - Kruell Kruell. requested that Jessen review the present controls on the cleaning up of gravel. after work is completed. Jessen responded that there. are some 'rogula- tions in effect now, and agreed to check further and bring it back for the next meeting. VIII. ADO OURNb11KNT MUTION: Kruell. moved to adjourn at 11:00 PM, seconded by Upton. Motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary