Parks and Recreation - 06/20/1977 1977
JUKE 6, 20
MINUTES
CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
AGENDA
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, JUNE 6, 1977 7:30 P.M. CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William
Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell ,
Randy Retterath, Mary Upton
COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services
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7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES OF MAY 16, 1977 MEETING
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS, AND COMMUNICATIONS
A.
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners
7:45 1. Commission Goals - Anderson
2. Purgatory Creek - Anderson
B. Reports of Staff
8:00 1. MAC
Wolf Property
8:15 2. Feasibility of Season Boat
Launch Fees
8:20 3. Recommendations for Cash Park
Fee Policy for Large Scale PUD's
8:40 4. Recommendation for Land Acquisition
of Neighborhood Park Sites
9:00 5. Report on CETA
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
9:15 A. Guide Plan Update
9:30 VIII.` ADJOURNMENT
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PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, JUNE 69 1977 70O P.M. CITY HALL
MEMBERS PRESENTs Chairman Richard Anderson, William Garens, t
Many Upton, Robert Kruell, Steve Fifield,
and Randy Retterath
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1101BERS ESCUSEDs Jerry Kingrey
STAFF PRESENTS Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services
Sandy Werts, Recreation Supervisor 4
OTHERS PRESENTS Mr. Brauer, Brauer & Associates, Inc.
Mark Gonzales, Eden Prairie Neva
The meeting was called to order at 7935 PM.
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II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA ;'
Addition of MINUTES OF MAY 2. 1977 MEETING under III.
VII. B. Jarin vromosal and gthera - Krue11
MOTION: Retterath moved to approve the Agenda as amended, seconded by r
Kruell. Motion carried unanimously. r
III. MINUTES OF MAY Q. 1977
Approval of Minutes was based on correction of the Ordinance in compliance
with Federal regulations on terminology used regarding reference to specific
sex, which was accomplished.
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Kruell.asked for clarification of Sec. V, Subdivision 7, Sentence 1 of the
Ordinance.
MOTIONS Retterath moved to approve Minutes of May 2, 1977, seconded by
Fifield. Motion carried unanimously.
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MINUTES OF MAY 16, 1977 MEETING )
Pg. 2, para. 8, first sent., delete "owner"; add "coach.".. .,
" 4, " 3, sent. 1, delete "conversational'; add "conversations",
different times" after 'this"; add "from PR & NR Commission" after "reoommendations". r�
Pg. 4, para. 4, last sent., add "not as part of the park plan, but so it is
compatible with the Hustad Plan and park plan which surround it.M
Pg. 5, para. 29 last sent., delete "strong"; add "use".
l' " " 3, sent. 3, delete nHe", add "Jessen".
" of " n " 41 delete "him", add "developer".
MOTION: (wrens moved, seconded by Kruell, to approve Minutes of May 169 1977
meeting. Motion carried unanimously.
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IV. PETITIONS. REQUESTS, AND CO C TION £
Jessen informed the Commission of a request by a resident of the Preserve
for another neighborhood meeting on the Preserve neighborhood park plan,
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which is scheduled for June 21, at 7s00 PM at the Preserve Center. The
resident was strongly opposed to a hockey rink being included in the plans., w�
while other facilities are lacking.
Anderson requested a tally of the number of people actually attending the 4
meeting, for the purpose of determining whether it represented the majority i
of residents in the Preserve.
Kruell suggested a survey taken of the kids who wanted to play hockey as
a means to help determine whether a hockey rink should be included in the
plan.
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Retorts of Commissioners
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1. Commission Goals - Anderson
Anderson spoke to the desirability of setting up goals and objectives
for the coming year. He noted that last year, the Commission and Staff r.
developed a system to identify the location of various parks and
neighborhood playgrounds.
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Jessen spoke to the 1976 goals of the Commission and their status,
noting that a few of the goals had not been accomplished such as:
an ordinance for slope development and developing Park and Recreation
Goals and Objectives/Standards stating general philosophy. He suggested .
that the high priority of the Commission be informing the public of �t
Park and Recreation services; publicizing by map, slides or etc.; and
planning for special services such as: ski area or golf course.
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Upton suggested the addition of an ordinance proposal for "shoreland kE
mgmt./lake use" as one of the goals.
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Anderson requested an update on the "municipal liquor" question. Jessen
responded that the City Council has requested specific and absolute
information on all steps to be taken in opening a municipal liquor store.
Anderson commented on conversations with various citizens who expressed
the feeling that if people knew that the revenue would go to parks and
recreation, they would be more liable to frequent our liquor store. !
Jessen suggested that citizens be encouraged to express those feelings
to the Mayor and Council members.
Garens inquired about the present climate for a municipal liquor store.
Jessen responded that it has become extremely competitive, and that
the Council is proceeding with caution. He added that the available
information indicates that with a certain volume of business, we could
"break even" in the beginning.
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MOTION: Garens moved to reaffirm the stand of the PR & NR Commission and
recommend to the Council that the funds generated from the municipal liquor _
store would be used for parks and recreation, and that this will have a big
effect on where people make their purchases. Upton seconded, the motion ['
carried unanimously.
Anderson, responding to Retterath, -,explained that the point of the motion was the j
re-affirmation of what the Council has indicated a few years ago, that the funds
generated would go for parks and recreation.
Kruell was in favor of specifying how much of the funds could go to parks and recrea-
tion, and where they would be used specifically, and he felt that the direction of ?
the profits would have a great influence on whether people support it or not.
Garens was opposed to looking in the purpose of the funds, and speaking to method
used in Edina, which historically spends its profits on parks and recreation, he-
feels it will be done here also.
Anderson spoke to a report published in the Mpls. Star newspaper a few years ago
suggesting that 'some-liquor stores were not doing well, and that locality was
considered an important factor.
Jessen responding to Garens, said that public safety had also been suggested as a
possibility as a recipient of the funds. He added that historically, 6uch funds have
�. been used for a visual recreational facility, and not maintenance or supplies etc..
Kruell, referring to formulating of goals for 1977, suggested a definitive program
that will take care of Eden Prairie needs, and felt that we should be able to get
an idea of where people are living and what they are like, in order to determine
what type of facilities we should consider.
Garens felt that the updated Comprehensive Guide Plan would provide us with a basis
to go on and was in favor of following it to avoid duplication.
Commission members discussed various approaches to developing of their goals.
Garens suggested a review of long range and short term range approach, since
a bond issue was not pending presently. He added that the past successful bond
issue served to purchase park land at`a-price we could pay, and the people voted
down the bond issue that would have been used to develop the parks.
Kruell requested the addition of "means to accomplish",. commenting that if we are
anticipating revenue from a liquor store in the next five years, we can be more
orderly in reaching our goals.
Anderson suggested signs for identifying parks and projects as a way of letting
the public know what has been accomplished. He felt we needed to undertake a
public relations campaign to inform citizens what we have been doing and what
we need to complete the unfinished protects.
Jessen asked Commission members to phone in any other thoughts they had on the
goals for 1977.
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VII. NEW BUSINESS !
A. Guide Plan IIvdatg k
Mr. Brauer, of Brauer & .Associates, Inc. spoke to the ongoing process I
of the update of the Comprehensive Guide Plan. Referring to the Planning i
Workbook distributed to the Commissioners at a previous meeting, he
commented on various points that were pertinent to the PR & NR Commission.
Garens inquired as to how many unbuildable acres were left, in response k
to Brauer's statement that 50 to 60% of the land in Eden Prairie has
been committed, including lakes, marshes, open space and highways. Brauer
explained that Eden Prairie contained 23,000 acres of land, divided into
two areas-urban and rural. He said there were 2600 acres-.- of unbuildable
land in each of the two areas, and at the present time there are 3,000 total
acres left in the City to be decided out of the original 23,000 acres.
He added that unless some of the committments are revised, no matter how
the 3,000 acres are used, it is pretty well "spelled" out, including the
parks and recreation plan. He commented on the fact that the City has been
outstandingly successful in receiving funding because of its outside type
services, adding that we do not have much dioice on that also.
Brauer commented on the type of planning they are doing; the nature of
the future population of the City; the process that will be followed in
C_ the scheduling of public forums to present and obtain reactions to a
Staff and Consultant proposed plan; and presentation of a modified plan
to the Commissions for their recommendations to the Council.
Brauer, in commenting
on parka, said they will be specifically talking
about park sites and their functions. He also spoke to the recommendation
of re-structuring of the PR & NR Commission to include special interest
groups.
Kruell questioned what the make-up of the Commissions have to do with the
planning of the future. Brauer responded that in a Council form of govern-
ment, the advisory boards need different kinds of perspectives so a p
"cross-country" effect could occur. ,
Garens asked Brauer to define his meaning about re.-structuring the
PR & NR Commission. Brauer explained that his meaning was to divide
the Commission into two groups, those stressing natural resources and
the other would be recreation aspect.
Anderson felt you needed people on the Commission who could combine the
two aspects, with no separation. Brauer responded that this was a
consideration to be put together as a oonsideration-.separation of the two
elements.
Brauer spoke to social services-adult type services, commenting that when
( parks were first designed, they were planned for older people, and the
trend went to children oriented parks, and predicted an emphasis on parks
for older people in the near future,
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In discussing the effects of population growth on the City, Anderson
suggested the idea that maybe the Commission should be looking in another
direction in developing our parks, because of the possibility of less
youth, and suggested that Brauer-was telling them not to commit our parks
to one age area.
Brauer commented on the need for an Arts & Cultural Center; and the possibility
of a trail from Riley Lake to the Minnesota River as part of the Metropolitan
Trails Plan.
Garens expressed concern with residents belonging to Homeowner Associations
having their own recreational facilities, therefore not voting for facilities
needed by the City. Brauer responded that the Homeowner Associations are a
form of a Country Club which forces the City to see the need for two kinds
of services, and that the City should not be in the position of building
"little swimming pools". He feels the Homeowner Associations would support
a larger type facility such as a hockey rink etc..
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Brauer, commenting on the past bond issue, said a bond issue was risky any-
where because of the economic situation. He added that people do not focus
their lives around children the way they used to.
Fifield left at 9930 PM..
Brauer commented that as the population changes, the City will continue to
be hampered by levies, etc. and it has been suggested that a foundation or
conservancy trust be established as a way for the City to accomplish things.
Anderson asked Brauer to state his feelings on Purgatory Creek. Brauer responded
that he feels there is no other resource like it in Eden Prairie, in terms of
accessibility to the community, and that it contains every kind of "eco" system
that you can find in the country. He said it contains areas that should be
used very little, or not at all, and some to be used. He added that it is the
most valuable resource in the City, and is worth more than all of the lakes
etc. in Eden Prairie.
Anderson expressed the thanks of the Commission to Brauer for his presence. ,
B. Reports of Staff
1. Ag
Wolf property. - Deferred. "
2. Feasibillty of Seagon Boat Launch FeSs
Commissioners discussed Memo of June 3 from Sandy Werta, Recreation
Supervisor considering the recommendation of offering launch season
passes.
l� Most Commissioners felt the fees were too high. Warts responded that
they were based on requests from mainly non-residents for Lake Riley
and by people who plan .to launch two or more times a week.
Minutes - Parks, Rea. and approved
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MOTION: Kruell moved, seconded by Garens, to recommend to the Council
the fee schedule as printed on Memo of June 3, 1977. Motion failed with r
a vote of 1-4,1, Kruell voting "yh % Upton "abstaining".
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MOTION: Garens moved, seconded by Upton, to change season pass schedule f
tos 20 hsp. - $30 for residents & $50 for non-residents; 1-19 hap. - $15 '
for residents & $25 for non-residents. Motion carried, with Upton voting r
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3. Recommendgtions for Cash Park Fee Policy for Laree Scale PISS
Deferred. f,
4. Recommendation for Land Acquisition of Neighborhood ParkL Sites FY,
Jessen requested that Topview be added to the Recommendation for r
Proceeding with Purchases of Certain Neighborhood Park Sites memo
of June 3, 1977, because of progress of Stewart development. '
MOTIONS Upton moved, seconded by Garens, to recommend to the Council
that we direct the Staff to secure appraisals for the three sites listed I:+.
and Topview Acres site. Motion carried unanimously.
Jessen responded to Kruell explaining that the City selects an appraiser
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(4 from three or more- certified appraisers, and that $250 is an average price.
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5. Report on CETA
Jessen spoke to the proposal for park laborers and construction workers (>;
funded by CETA for one year, considered and accepted at April meeting. r
Upton inquired about source of employees. Jessen answered that they
come from the employment office, and they have to be unemployed for
a certain period of time, and in a certain average income bracket. He It
added that it is part of the Department of Labor's program to put people
back to work. No action required.
4II. NEV BUSINESS (CONTIp)
A. Guide Phan Update - . Considered at beginning of meeting.
B. Jarlp proposals and others - Kruell
Kruell expressed concern with the ,route-of.this proposal and others.
He explained that the proposal includes some land that is now marsh
on one end and the other end includes part of the bikeway/hikeway
trail. Jessen responded that he had looked at the proposal and none
of the land is officially classified-are flood plain land in our park
system plan for acquisition, and added that the developer has indicated
trail dedication. He said he would review the proposal and check
into the question and report back at the next meeting.
VIII. ADJOURiaM
Garens moved, seconded by Upton, to adjourn at 10:10 PM. Motion oarried unan..
Submitted by Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, JUNE 20, 1977 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William
Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Kruell ,
Randy Retterath, Mary Upton
COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services
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7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES OF JUNE 6, 1977
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A.
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners
1.
B. Reports of Staff
7:45 1. MAC/FC - Wolf Property
7:50 2. Summer Recreation Registration
Report
8:00 3. Options for CASH PARK FEE Policy
for Large Scale PUD's
8:15 4. Eden Prairie Equestrian Center
8:30 5. Development Proposals
a. Jarip Corporation
VI. OLD BUSINESS
8:45 A. Commission Goals .
9:00 B. Attorney's Opinion on Slope and
Floodplain Ordinances
9:10 C. Park Use Ordinance
9:20 D. Cedar Hills Golf & Ski
Eden Prairie Parks, -2- June 20=77
_ Recreation & Natural Resources
VII. NEW BUSINESS
9.30 A. Discussion of Potential Impact
of Year-Round" School on City
Recreation Program
9:45 B. Park Development Program - 1977
9:55 C. Set Next Meeting Date -- July 4
10:00 VIII . ADJOURNMENT
.APPROTZE)
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
C MONDAY, JUNE 20, 1977 700 PM, CITY HALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Anderson, Jerry Kingrey,
Robert Kruell, Randy Retterath, and Mary
Upton
MEMBERS EXCUSED:. William Garens and Steve Fifield
STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services
OTHERS PRESENTS Jim Ostenson, Hustad Development Corporation
W. Hustad, Hustad Development Corporation
Chairman Richard Anderson called the meeting to order at 705 PM.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Deletion of V.B.4. Eden Prairie Ecuestrig Center
VI.B. Attorney's Opinion on Slope and Floodplain Ordinances
VI.C. Park Use Ordinance
MOTIONS Retterath moved to accept the Agenda as published and amended.
Kruell seconded, motion carried unanimously.
III. MINUTES OF JUNE 6, 1977
Pg. 1, Para. 5, sent. 2, delete "conservations"; add "conversations".
" 2, " 1, last sent., add "while other facilities are lacking."
" 3, tt 1, delete. "NOTION...unanimously; add "MOTION: Garans moved
to reaffirm the stand of the PR & NR Commission and recommend to the
Council that the funds generated from the municipal-liquor store would
be used for parks and recreation, and that this will have a big effect
on where people make their purchases. Upton seconded, the motion carried
unanimously.
Pg. 6, para. 1, last sent., delete "nap"; add "yay".
if 6, It 8, sent. 5, delete "clarified"; add "classified". }
MOTION: Retterath moved to approve the Minutes of June 6, 1977 as
published and amended. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously.
17. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
None.
V. REC0W4EVDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commisgionera
1. None.
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B. Reports of Staff
1. MA('/FC Wolf Prope y
Jessen spoke to past prelsentation by Mr. Jim 'Voyea. representing the
Metropolitan Airport CoaInission, with discussionCf MA fpoaor gdditional flight
from the Fraser School of the Wolf property by
clearance, and of offer to the City on use of the land as anon-spectator,
low density recreation area.
Jessen continued that he had talked with representatives fro
Browning and Ferris Co. concerning the possibility of the potential
use as a golf course/ski hill recreation area.
Open space or� recrea�-
tion uses are com®on as a land use for sanitary landfills
fil st after the
are completed, he added. He spoke to the study begun y
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for additional sites for sanitary
yandfiloperations
ooking in a ions throughoutpossibl the
County, and that they arepresently
location for another landfill site.
Kruell questioned how a ski hill would be accomplished.
Jessen res-
ponded that an �dii00 feet a 250 Pt.ld be added elevation of the the
hlllleted
landfill area, accomplishing
Kruell asked about the possibility of collecting the methane
nn e nergy
that would be accumulating, for the purpose of using it as
source.eaueofeLand Reclamation nd be Departmenlished with the counsel of
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Anderson asked what kind ofttime fsramm as on on,thh s addedcthatJessen
responded Property
about six
under consideration now.
Wolf Property
Because of similarity of subjects, Jessen spoke to the Cedar Hills
Golf and Ski proposal, an offer made by the owner to sell 300 acres,
equipment and improvements included, for $800,000• He added that
the City appraisal on that land was for 1.2 million dollars, and
he felt that $4000,00ftuld a raised
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of revenue bonds, with an
additional 0400, 0 e
Kruell, referring back to the Wolf Property, asked what the present
land use was. Jessen answered that it was"open use".
Kruell further questioned Jessen whe operatio city would be n if they move their g
authorized approval to change airp=t
clearances further back, and also referred to the point
that
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of the MAC people had been in the suggestion navor of gof8the Metro Council that
responded that it was through nc that Mr. Voyen,
the airport extend their flight clearance pattern, the airport because
and other representatives, did not favor enlarging industrial and
of the amount of development occurring -residential,
commercial.
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1. MAC/FC - Wolf Property (continued)
Anderson asked about the "high line" area to the east of the property and
what use is permitted. Jessen responded that acceptable uses are trails,
barking lots, etc..
MOTION: Upton moved, seconded by Retterath, to recommend to the Council
that our position be -in - support of the NlAC purchasing the .Wolf Property.
DISCUSSION:
Kruell asked whether the City had any influence on the negotiation of the
price paid, since we are the "third party" and are encouraging MAC to ac-
quire ,from a private concern. Jessen explained that we do not have any
say on actual negotiation, but there is a good opportunity for recreation
uses involved here.
Anderson added that there is a real need for a recreation area in this part
of the City, and there have been requests from residents about this.
VOTE:
Kruell called the question and the vote was taken. Motion carried, with Kruell
abstaining.
Development Proposals
4. a. Jarip Corporation
Jessen spoke to the Planning Staff Report of June 9, 1977 and the
recommendations made that the "cash park fee" be paid, and provision
of Bikeway Trail Systems along the major roads be provided, because the
proposal does not include any land specifically identified in the Park
Systems Plan.
Rusty Irvine, of Jarip Corporation, introduced their architect, Dennis
Griswold, who spoke to the plan involving 66 acres containing 146
single family units. He said one of their main concerns through the
project is that it happens at a point where two streets of arterial
status iaterseetp so you cannot front lots unto the streets. He spoke
in favor of the "cash in liu of land" because of the placement of the
lots.
Kingrey arrived at 8:15 Pro.
Krue11 was concerned with a small low area near Highway 101, which acts
as a drainage area, and would like to see it handled another way. He
continued that once Dell Road goes through, it establishes a crossing
through Duck Lake Trail and forces road construction, and after hear-
ing from other inputs on Dell Road, he is not necessarily convinced
that Dell Road has to be a four lane throughway connecting with 101.
Mrs. Irvine responded that she didn't feel they could change anyone's
mind on that, because it has been around a long time.
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/..a. Jarin_CQrooration (continued)
Rusty Irvine added that they were told to include the Dell Road allignment,
and that it may be two lane, rather than four, but they did want to plan
ahead.
Kruell spoke to the north half of Highway 101 and the millions of dollars
being spent for improvement.
Irvine responded that they had asked what the status of 101 was, and that
they were told the work was primarily being done by the cities of Wayzata
and Plymouth, and not by the State.
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Jessen explained that the Dell Road allignment came out of the 1968 Guide
Plan, and it had been discussed that the State would straighten 101 to get
it out of downtown Chanhassen, but he does not foresee this as happening.
He added that Jarip needs to develop the first two lanes, with the other
two lanes built by the City if directed.
Upton asked for clarification of placement of trails along Dell Road.
Jessen responded they wml:dbeconstructed inroad right-of-way, along the
four lanes, with ongrade crossings.
Kruell asked how much encroachment was in the low area on the north side
of Duck Lake through this proposal. Irvine answered that there was nega-
tive encroachment, because the change was made to move out of the low land
to the buildable soil, and that this nvolved some adjustments by Edengate
also.
Anderson inquired_whether Jessen had had the opportunity to check into the
low area discussed at the last meeting. Jessen responded negative, but he
did speak to City Engineer Jullie, who assured him there would be a series
of sewers and catch basins.
Upton asked how many acres of road in the site. Irvine said that Valley View
and Dell Roads take up 10%.
Jessen spoke to the park aspect of the proposal, which was Hidden Ponds
park. He said it meets our service requirements of the Park System Plan,
which is that it provides trailway and cash park fee in the Hidden Ponds
play area.
Upton asked when the trails are put in. Griswold explained the phasing of
their project, and said when the lots go in, the trails will go in.
Mrs. Irvine added that 25 to 30 lots are involved at a stage, and that it
makes it more manageable and completes a neighborhood.
Anderson requested that it be noted that the proposal was discussed, but y
no further recommendations were made relating to parks and recreation.
Minutes - Parks, Rea, and approved
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B. Reports of Staff (continued)
2. Summer Recreation Registration
Jessen spoke to Memofroom Recreation Supervisor Sandy Werts,indicating
registration numbers for the various City programs and "their'locations.
Anderson inquired about background for hiring leaders etc.. Jessen
responded that there are job qualification requirements for each of
the jobs, in-service training, and periodic staff meetings.
Jessen called attention to two issuess serious boating accident on
Lake Riley, and Memo distributed from Worts pertaining to the Teen
Work Program. To encourage Water safety, Jessen informed Commission
members that pamphlets would be included with each launching, and
they have made provisions for police patrol on the lakes during the
weekends.
Boat capacity of the lakes was discussed, with Kruell suggesting
that lake uses be studied at budget time.
Discussion of sattelltes took place, and the need at Forest Hills
and Prairie View for these facilities. Jessen explained that it
would be very costly to rent additional sattelites for -the two
remaining weeks of the soccer program and adult softball. He spoke
to a special terms contract at a lesser rate, but the City would
have to pay for vandalism. Commissioners agreed that it could not
be done this year, but should be considered for next year.
Jessen encouraged Commissioners to observe the creative play structure
at Forest Hills and the enjoyment the kids are receiving.
3. motions for CASH PARK FEE Policy for Laree Scale PUD'S
Jessen spoke to information provided on analysis of park dedications
of the large scale PUDIS, including ramifications and possible remedies.
He briefly su narized the three options open to the City, and explained
that the Council is trying to reach a clearer idea of what the park fee
is about and what it will be spent for. He spoke to the 1974 Neighbor-
hood Park Site Stucky - 21 sites within a half mile of residences, 10 to
20 acros in size, in conformance with neighborhood schools, and at a
cost of about 0250,000 each. He added that the cost was based on land
price, utilities and roads, plus 20% contingency. He continued that
the $275 per lot cash park fee was to provide equalization of costs,'
and the Commission did get into the discussion about development of the
site when reviewing the Franlo site. Referring to assessments, Jessen
explained that they have to be paid off by the party who sells it to
us or by the City. He suggested a period of twenty years to pay it off,
and each year when expenditures are forecasted, we will have to deter-
mine what assessments are due in the lateral or trunk sewer area.
Minutes - Parks, Rea. and approved
/ Natural Resources Commission - 6 - Monday, June 20, 1977
3. Options for CASH PARK FEE...PDDIS (continued)
The Preserve dedication background was discussed and Jessen expressed
concern about the indication by the Preserve that they cannot live with
the Blacklock Line. He spoke to committment by George Carter of the
Preserve regarding the Anderson Lakes land, and to funds and grants re-
ceived from various funding agencies, based somewhat on this committment.
He expressed concern that the City may be required to pay back the funds
received from these agencies.
Kingrey commented that the Preserve has committed a number of acres and
suggested that they could reduce that number in different ways.
Jessen spoke to the Hustad Bluffs Plan,and to revenue that win be assessed
and how it should be used.
Upton felt strongly that the money generated from one area should be spent
in that area, and if there is a surplus, then it could be loaned to another
area. She also felt that development of the site was important.
Jessen concurred, but added that in some areas we may be "short" because of
being confined or other reasons. He spoke to the possibility that a bond
referendum could meet development needs after site is acquired, because
people would see the need for money to put a "face" on their park.
Kruell asked whether there had been any effort to plan the use of a "park
fee" and whether there was any money in the "cash park fee fund" right now
and any effort to spend it. Jessen responded that the Bluff development
plan did propose the use of the "park fee". He added that the City"cash
park fee fund" contains about 030,000, with no effort to spend it at the r
present time.
Kruell agreed that funds should be used in the neighborhood collected from,
and not in areas that are lacking.
Jessen suggested that land be acquired in the service areas first, and
spoke to land costs increasing by 10%. Responding to Kruell, Jessen N
said the "park fees" will also have to increase to reflect rising cost
of land.
Mr. Jim Ostenson, Hustad Development Corporation, spoke in favor of the
"cash park fee" because of the following reasons: 1. It is a fair policy;
2. It is good for the City because they can time their acquisition; and
3. There are very few future developers &nd builders to work with. He
expressed concern with the number of directions that City policies are r .1
taking, and that certain points previously assumed are now getting "lost". 7
He pointed out that developers and builders are concerned about what is:
neighborhood park vs. tot lot vs. cash park fee, and what does the 8275
go to pay. He added that he was present tonight to listen to your side,
and point out how developers and builders feed. r'
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Minutes - Parks, Rea. and approved
Natural Resources Commission - 7 - Monday, June 20, 1977
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3. 0ntions for CASH PARK FM...EM'S (continued)
Anderson pointed out that Homeowner Association and townhouse area
thinking has changed, and it is a tough way to go for the City.
Jessen added that in the single family homes, there is trouble with
financing with a Homeowner Association in effect, and it comes to a
real "backlash" with tot lots and mini parks kept up with or by
Homeowner Associations.
Ostenson felt that a 'lcaah park fee" was very favorable in townhouses
or multiple because we know what we will be paying, and can add a
swimming pool or etc. and add a fee on top of the "park fee". He
added it was very easy to work with because we can deal with it no
matter how much land is available and we can pay as we build. He
added that also, the City is getting 100% of its value, commenting
that in the past, nuoh of the dedicated land was low land, flood
plain, and marsh.
Jessen, responding to Anderson, explained some of the problems. He
felt that there has been misunderstanding between City bodies re-
viewing land for parks on what we should be putting the highest
priority on, and that mini parks will not meet the recreation needs
of residents. He continued that we cannot afford the maintenance
and operation of each of those mini parks where publicly maintained,
and the benefit would be nowhere near what it would cost the City.
Mini parks were further discussed, with Anderson pointing out that
there is a dramatic difference in the needs of the different types
of development.
Kruell commented that when considering parks, we need to consider
the uses, and that it was his impression that the Sterling Field
mini park has the most concentrated use in the City. Upton added
that Sterling Field has developed it exactly the way they want it.
Ostenson expressed disagreement with the smal] two acre mini lot,
speaking to generally the same reasons as expressed by Jessen.
He continued that in their Bluff Development, they are asked to
contribute land and tot lot; and acreage for mini parks. and $275
Der lot for "park fee".3!n the Prairie East Development. Be did not
Feel the "park fee" was meant to be added on top of, but to use to
take care of some of the problems.
Upton spoke to the different priorities of areas such ass Purgatory
Creek or a lake, adding to the complexity of the problem.
Jessen suiiariaed Commission attitude as being to use "cash park fee"
to acquire neighborhood park sites, with lower priorities on mini park
and tot lots.
Minutes - Parks, Rea. and ,approved
Natural Resources Commission - g - Mnday, June 20, 1977
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3. (lotions for CASH PARK FIM PUDrS (continued)
Kingrey commented that the Commission has deliberated on this for a
considerable length of time, and he has not changed his mind about, .
priorities, which are the same as Jessen stated.
Jessen spoke to the need from the PR & NR Commission for a firm
position, and agreed to include, on the Agenda for the next meet-
ing a definite plan and suggestions for all the projects, as requested
by Anderson.
4. Development Propos ls - See pgs. 3 &
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. Commission• ss'ion Goals - Deferred.
Be 2edar Hills Go2f & Ski - Touched on briefly, no action taken.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. Dis"psi on of Potential Impactt of °Ye r R-o nr7ll School on City
ty
Recreation Propr-am _ Deferred.
Be Perk Development Pro= 1977
Jessen spoke to the Staff Report of June 17, 1977 containing a
list of Parks and Recreation Facilities development projects
financing in Conjunction with the CETA Grant, and asked for
additional thoughts or suggestions for others. There will be a
considerable amount of money available for various recreational
projects, and suggested applying at the earliest possible time
because of CETA contract and low cost. (game and athletic courts,
local park trails, park sites, trails in regional parks and
acquisition of regional park lands and trail corridors.]
MOTIONt Kingrey moved, seconded by Upton, to recommend to the
Council that the City Staff proceed to prepare applications for
securing.. funds for development projects listed on the report
of June 17, 1977, in conjunction with the CETA Grant.
AMENDMENT TO MOTIONt Kruell moved to exclude project. no. 16 on
the report, Maple Leaf Acres, because that particular land is un-
buildable and suitable for drainage only, and feels there is signifi-
cant encroachment into the Purgatory Creek Flood Plain. Upton seconded.
DISCUSSIONt Kingrey said he did not have any problem with the general
development of the land and requested reason for the area not boring
included.
Kruell felt that some of the areas have been filled in that should not
have happened, and that the development in the flood plain is similiar
to any other Purgatory Creek Watershed District,area. He felt the City
should not be developing there, if no one else cdn.
Minutes - Parks, Rea. and .approved
Natural Resources Commission - 9 - Monday, June 20, 1977
B. Park Deve].orment Frog= - =7 (continued)
VOTE ON AMENDMENT TO MOTION: Notion carried, with Kingrey casting the
dissenting vote.
AMENDED MOTION:. Kingrey moved, seconded by Upton, to recommend to the
Council that the City Staff proceed to prepare applications for securing
funds for development projects listed on the report of June 17, 1977,
excluding No. 16, Maple Leaf Acres, in conjunction with CETA Grant.
Motion carried unanimously.
Co Set Neact Meeting Date -- July L
It was agreed that the next meeting would be held on July 18, 1977.
VIII. ADJOURlNT
Upton moved to adjourn the meeting at 10:30 PM, seconded by Retterath.
Motion carried unanimously.
Respectfully submitted,
Donna Stanley
Recording Secretary
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