Parks and Recreation - 01/31/1977 1977
JANUARY 3 , 17 , 31
MINUTES
CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
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AGENDA
l EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Monday, January 3, 1977 7:30 PM, CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Tim Pierce, Richard Anderson,
Paul Choiniere, Steve Fifield, William Garens,
Francis Helmer, Jerry Kingrey, Geneva Middleton,
Randy Retterath, Mary Upton
COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services
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7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES OF DECEMBER 6, 1976 MEETING
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
� 7:55 A. Communication From Ray Stodola Concerning
Land For Sale
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners
1. School Board Director Middleton
B. Reports of Staff
8:00 1. 1977 Winter Recreation Program
8:15 2. Report on Skating Rinks
8:30 3. 1977 Community Development Grant
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. 1977 LAWCON Grant Application
VII. NE{V BUSINESS
8:45 A.
`,. 9:00 VIII. ADJOURNMENT
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APPROVED
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, JANUARY 3, 1977 7230 PM, CITY HALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, Jerry Kingrey,
William Garens, Mary Upton, Tim Pierce (8:00 PM),
Randy Retterath, Steve Fifield, Paul Choiniere
(8:00 PM), and Richard Anderson (9:00 PM)
MEMBERS EXCUSED: Geneva Middleton and Francis Helmer
STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services
Chris Enger, Landscape Architect
OTHERS PRESENT: Tom Bartel, E. P. News
Since a quorum of members was not present until 8:00 PM, the following information—
al items were discussed, with no action required:
1. 1977 Winter Recreation Program — Jessen spoke to brochures listing the pro—
gram for the winter of 1977, explaining that they were presently at the
printers and were expected to be in the mail commencing the week of
January 12. The programs were discussed briefly.
2. Report, on Skating Rinks — Jessen explained that the mini rink program was
lacking because of weather, and spoke to the progress or lack of progress
of various sites.
C- Jessen spoke to the need to set the date for second joint meeting with the
Planning Commission, and suggested January 17 at 7:00, before the regularly
scheduled PR & NR Commission meeting. This date met with the approval of
members in attendance.
Pierce and Choiniere arrived at 8:00 PM, whereas, Chairman Erickson called the
meeting to order.
II. MPROVAL OF AGENDA
Addition of VII. A. HASP =oaram discussion — Choiniere
Choiniere moved to accept Agenda as amended. Pierce seconded, motion carried.
III. MINUTES OF DECEMBER 6. 1976 MEETING
Pg. 6, para. 7, sent. 1, delete ttthree", add "four".
11 it u tt " 2, to tthe" and "his", add "they" and "their".
Garens moved to approve Minutes of December 6, 1976 meeting as amended. Upton
seconded, motion carried, with Pierce and Kingrey abstaining because of absence. t
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
r A. Communication from Ray Stodola Concerning Land For Sale
Jessen spoke to the parcel located on the NE corner of Duck Lake Trail and
168th St, and said Mr. Stodola had approached him with the request that he IRWA
bring this to the attention of the Commission, and that Stodola had indicated
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A. Communicgtion from Ray Stodola....Sale (cont'd)
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he will offer favorable terms to the City. He quoted appraisal by reputable
real estate company as valuing the land at about $60,000. Jessen continued
that it compared with the Kucher and Deaver properties as far as the kind of
terms were offered, with storm sewer and water assessments outstanding against
all three properties. He said that the Council has chosen not to take any
option on the Kucher and Deaver properties because of lack of money to fulfill `
a contract.
Garens questioned the proximity to development. Jessen responded that from
distribution standpoint, recreation facilities should be farther north, there- a
fore helping to accomplish criterea of Purgatory Creek St'sdy. He added that
he will have complete information on all of the capital improvement land
discussed by this Commission for next meeting, and he felt that this item
could be discussed in conjunction with the rest of the plan.
MOTION:
Choiniere.moved to Mr. Stodola that the land in question does not fit
into our overall plan for that section of the Community. Garens seconded,
motion carried unanimously. a
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Renorts of Commissioners
C1. School Board Director Middleton - absent because of illness.
Councilman Pierce requested addition of some comments on the Kucher
and Deaver properties. He said that we continue to bring parcels in
front of the Council for purchase, and they keep coming back with the ,
fact that we do not have the money. •-iHe feels that the concensus of the
Council, without speaking for the Council, was that their suggestion was
to have the people vote on this. He said that if there were a half dozen
parcels to submit, show the people exactly what is being offered and let
them vote on it.
Jessen commented that this is one of the advantages of "option agreements„,
because you are looking at directly stated property lines and it is easier
to convince people when information is that clear.
Choiniere stressed the fact that he felt the presentation of information ' a
of"where we were","where we are", and "where we want to go" be-given by
the Commission through the use of maps, color slides etc.. He felt that }
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since the 1968 bond money went so far in the purchase of lands, that you
have to show what the people's tax dollar bought.
MOTION: Garens moved that we request an opinion from the Council on
whether we should investigate possibility of another bond issue. Motion
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died for lack of a second.
There was discussion on the intent- of, the Council'a suggestions, and it
was the conceneus of the majority of the Commission that we approach the
Council with a list of all parcels that the Commission has discussed
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Councilman Pierce (cont'd)
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and asktA. Does the Council agree that these unmet needs exist?, B. Does the
Council see a referendum to meet these needs at this time or what date in the "
future?, and C. Is this dollar amount one you could support, if not, what would G'
you support?
B. Reports of Staff
1. 1977 ?linter Recreation Pro gram - discussed at beginning of meeting.
2. Report on Skating Rinks --discussed at beginning of meeting.
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3. 1977 Community Development Grant
Jessen spoke to block grant monies available this year in the sum of 9645,800, -
and that it can be used for any of topics listed on memo of December 30, 1976.
He suggested implementing item, nos. 2. Development of park facilities--Edea-
vale, Preserve; and 3. Trail Development--Co. Rd. 4 and Valley View Road
Right-of-Way Acquisition and increased development costs. He explained
that the advantages of these two items were that they were doablw this year, .
they would create a visible "positive" image of what could be done with ac-
quired park land, and because these playgrounds are providing recreation for
lower income families-makes it high priority for HUD. He presented a brief
history of the previous grants, which were to be used for trailways which
were not completed because of no money for right-of-way acquisition.
Jessen responded to questions on"cash park feet' requirements of Preserve
and Edenvale, explaining that their committments have been met and previously
approved by the Council. He added that the Preserve has had a big change in
concept, and that about 280 acres of land is now commercial, with a substan-
tial decrease in residential acreage.
Choiniere was concerned with the closing off of City programs, because the:,
Preserve'and Edenvale would have their own. Jessen said he felt that the ,
City will be developing these lands for City recreation programs.
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Upton questioned the standards of some of the trails that were put in, re-
ferring to the Bi.keway/`Hikeway report. Chris Enger, City Landscape Architect,
spoke to the requirements for single family areas which have to be blacktop r,
trails, and said that the homes are not in yet.
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Garens added that some areas are opposed to any trails being put in.
Choiniere felt that we should "plug" in these funds with our overall capital
improvement plan, and inquired whether we could recommend to the Council that
the money be set aside and apply it to our master plan. Jessen answered
that these two items he had suggested are in the capital improvement plan and
that it just takes them out.
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Tom Bartel, of the Eden Prairie News, asked how specific we have to be at
this time. Jessen responded that the typical grants such as this one need
to be spelled out.
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3. 1977 Community Development Grant (cont�d)
Anderson arrived at 9:00 PM.
Garens suggested potential projects for Eden Prairie, included under
no. 1 - park land acquisition, with no specification, no. -2 --development
of park facilities, with no specification, and no. 3 - trail development
specified. He felt it should be general, in order to be flexible.
Kingrey inquired about the possibility of earmarking the money and then
coming back and changing it. Jessen said we have to amend the contract
if we want to change, and they may not agree to that.
MOTIONS Kingrey moved to recommend to the Council that the 1977 Community
Development application include development of park facilities at Edenvale ti
and Preserve, with excess funds, if any, from such development be utilized
for the Co. Road 4 trail development. Upton seconded, for the sake of dis-
cussion. Motion carried with a vote of 7-2, with Choiniere and Garens
casting the dissenting votes.
Upton expressed the concern about whether the people from the Preserve and
Edenvale would vote for .facilities if they already had facilities. Jessen
did not feel they could block a referendum.
Pierce, referring to improvement of Preserve and Edenvale, asked whether
this might help us in future applications because of the priority this
would have with HUD. Anderson -commented that just having the policies that
we do have in this community such as diversified housing, has brought up our
rating.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. 1977 LAWCON Grant Application
Chris Enger, City Landscape Architect, spoke to the Round Lake Development-- _
Plan and attempted to address the stated request by the Commission to scale
down the cost of the proposal. He said the preferred road alignment of
route through park was the northerly sa lignment, and explained the reasoning
for this preferred route. He added that there is a deadline date of Jan. 3-4
on the details of the proposal.
The various alignments were discussed, including no road, with Duck Lake
Trail continuing to absorb the traffic in the NW part of the community; and
a disjointed alignment was also considered.
Enger said he agreed that the road cuts up the property, but that this plan would
makethe most efficient use from the land. He said the priorities of the plan
are 1. school, 2. park, and 3. road. f
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Kingrey asked whather a traffic consultant was involved in the road align-
ment. Enger responded that he did consult with City tngineer Jullie.
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Upton asked what the cost of the plan would be. Enger answered that the
or original application was for $200,000, but the Commission had acted to
use only 0133000 for Round Lake Development. He said that with this
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amount we can build all the baseball and softball fields-unlighted;
tennis courts, additional parking facilities, removal of present gravel r
road and construction of new gravel road at a more central location, and
boat launching facilities. He added that original estimate on sewer and
water was $55,000, and estimate for lighting was $1,500 per field. He
said other items included demolition of teen center and some additional ;yA�
work on present tennis courts, all of which would have to be done in the
future.
Kingrey, commenting on the grouping of the baseball and softball fields, ,+
felt that a cloverleaf approach to these nodes would be a more efficient
utilization of the space. Jessen responded that it had been considered
but that there were other considerations that were equally as important in the
spacing.
Choini.ere, referring to the map used by Enger for his presentation indicating 'R
the various possible routes for the road, questioned why we were looking at
the direct route crossing north of the pond, when it was already established
that the northerly route would be used, and that it was a waste of time to
discuss it. Enger explained that the direct route was there as a reference only tr' is
to be used as a point of orientation for our discussion. Jessen said we have }
to locate facilities so they will not be moved later, and if we use federal grant
money, they needed to be of a permanent nature.
Anderson questioned whether a road should even be constructed through the h
area. Jessen responded that this was considered at the joint session with
the school district, and this road has always been in the plans for the !+
purpose of easing traffic off of Duck Lake Trail, and that much-of the
development is based on the fact that Valley View Rd. was going to be extended.
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Kingrey inquired whether the Commission will be able to review final plan
on the placement of fields etc.. Jessen responded affirmative. 4r 5
Enger responded to questions on time of completion of fields - summer of ra.
1977, and whether fields will be usable while lighting is accomplished - 4`
to which Encrer responded affirmative.
Kingrey was concerned about the City maintaining trees after planting them
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referring to the past summer and the loss of trees near the pavillion. !'?A
Anderson commented that if this plan is the best of all plans, we are 'L
losing a considerable amount of land, and he would like to see us gain more
land. Jessen said the City must acquire at least 31 acres of lakeshore land.
The required acreage for the building of the new school, which was 65 acres,
was discussed in conjunction with the plan.
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MOTIONS tierce moved to accept the Round Lake Development Plan as presented by
Enger, as a feasible planned study for this area, for making application for LAWCON
funding and for proceeding with the $135,000 program of no lighting, utilities and
1 etc.. Garens seconded, motion carried, with Choiniere abstaining because the ;.
motion was unclear to him. k
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VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. ugFp ^rnmram discussion - Choinie,ro
Choiniere questioned Jessen on the..0ommission's function regarding
the hockey program, whether there were any requirements that we place
on this program that all kids are able to participate on an equal
basis, and what kind of monitoring as been done to make sure that
this is done. Jessen responded that we provide the facilities, there
have always been requirements about equal participation. and the pro-
gram has been monitored through liaison members and review,-.periodically
with hockey people.
Kingrey added that philosophy statements are given the City, also.
Choiniere was concerned with various aspects of the program, such as
the selection process and use of the Hands that are raised.
Erickson commented that we are supplying the rinks, lights, and
maintenance of the rinks, and that we cannot control the organization
factions.
Choiniere felt that if we provide the rinks, we should ask,: them to
present their philosophy and discuss it with them.
Jessen said he feels tb s program is as good as any other group, but
feels that at the age of fourteen, there are no more sports for kids
not on the high school teamso
Anderson commienteds in.reference to Bloomington's BAA hockey program,
that-there are many kids playing mite hockey and
when they get to the high school, they are out down to 45 players.
Thare was agreement that a HAEP representative be invited to a Commission
meeting to explain their program and what their plan was to handle
recreational athletes from age thirteen and up.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
Garens moved to adjourn at 10:50 PM. Upton seconded. Motion carried.
Submitted by,
Donna Stanley
Recording Secretary
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PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
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MEMBERS TERM EXPIRATION
Steve Fifield February 28, 1980
8383 Red Rock Road f `'
Home Telephone No. : 941-2259 4
Dr. George Tangen February 28, 1980
7034 Willow Creek Road
Home Telephone No. : 941-5299 �!
Jerry Kingrey February 28, 1978
14311 Holly Road
Home Telephone No. : 941-6784
Bus. Telephone No. : 925-4556
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Mary Upton February 28, 1978
16163 Edenwood Drive
Home Telephone No. : 941-2851
Richard Anderson February 28, 1979
14208 Charing Cross
Home Telephone No. : 941-3078
Bus. Telephone No. : 888-9571
William Garens February 29, 1979
6897 Castle Lane
Home Telephone No. : 941-3399 ,
Bus. Telephone No. : 455-1611
Robert Kruell February 28, 1980
6780 Tartan Curve
Home Telephone No. : 933-4795
Bus. Telephone No. : 888-1108
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The PE-_ !:s, Recreation and Natural Resources Comm..,_:: i.s a perm E_:i ent
Civisory commission of the City of Eden Prairie established by Ordinance No. q
adopted on the of �' -�,�i1 1975. .
SECTION II. PURPOSE OF THE COMMISSION
The 'purpose of the Commission is basically three-fold as specified in the
ordinance. establishing the Commission. These are as folio
v,•s:
Subdivision 1; The Commission shall advise the Council on all matters
pertaining•to the-acquisition.and development of a complete system of parks and E
recreation facilities for the City of Eden Prairie.
Subd 2: The Commission shall advise the Counci 1 in all matters
pertaining to, the conduct of a complete program of public recreation opportunity
- (_ Rhin the City.
Subd . 3: The Commission shall advise the Council on all matters
pertaining to the inventory, preservation and management of natural resources within
the City.
SECTION III. MEMBER SHIP.
Subdivision 1: Regular Members. The Commission consists of eleven
members appointed subject to the terms of the Ordinance establishir,3 the Commission.
Subd . 2: Ex-Officio Members.* The following shall be considered as' '
ex-officio members of the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Com-,71ission.
Ex-Officio members do not have voting power but�may participate in the
Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission meetings.
a. All regular members of the Board of Managers of the Nine-Mile
Creel; Watershed District or Riley Purgatory Creek Watershed
ity of Ec:c: Prairia
rs of the Board of Directors of the Eden Prr_ :-ie
)Ahletic Association who reside within the City.
C. All members of the Hennepin Soil and Water.Conservation
District Board of Managers who reside within the. City., -
d. All members of the Board of Directors of the Hockey
Association of Eden Prairie who reside within the City,
• e. The Chairman of each Homeowners Association within
City.
SECTION IV. ORGANIZATION.
Subd: 1: " Organiiational Meeting. The second meeting in January of each
year shall be an organizational meeting at which time the members shall elect
from among their own members a chairperson and vice chairperson'to serve for .
%eriod of one year.
Subd. 2:' Chairperson. The Chairperson shall preside over all meetings.
He shall also assign specific tasks to members of the Commission as he -deems
necessary and he mayrywith the consent of the membersyestablish subcommittees'
and appoint members to liaison duties with other commissions, boards and agencies.
Subd . 3: Vice Chairperson. The Vice Chairperson shall preside over all
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meetings in the absence of the chairperson. ? ,{
Subd. 4. Secretary- - The Secretary to the Commission shall
be the Director of Community•Services and shall keep minutes of each meeting
.and distribute minutes of the previous meetinglalong with a copy of the next
T-ienda,,to each member prior to the upcoming meeting.
Subd. 5: Deputy Secretary• The Deputy Secretary shall be appointed
by the Director of Community Services to perform the, duties of the Secretary
when the need arises.
Si.(_ ,.iJ V. _';'.00EDURES FOl' :_:r C; i '.I'IIE
...,MISSION.
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S \ Subdivision 1: Meetings.
a. Regular Meetings. Regular meetings of the whole commission shall
be held on the first and third Mondays of each month at 7:30 PM at
the Eden Prairie City Hall, unless otherwise ordered by the
Commission. Meetings may be cancelled by the Chairperson for due cause.
b. Special Meetings. Special meetings may be held at *any time upon
the call of the Chairperson or five members currently appointed to tiie
Commission.;. Notification of the meeting shall be in writing at least 5
days prior to the meeting date.
C. Quorum. A majority of the adult Commission members currently
appointed to the Commission shall constitute a quorum for the
conduct of Commission business at a regular or special meeting.
Subd . 2 . Attendance at Meetings. Regular attendance at meetings by all
members is necessary for the Commission to effectively discharge its duties and
responsibilities. .If a member finds- that he cannot attend .regularly.he should)of -
his own volition,eith er ask for leave of absence or'resign. In the event of continued
unexplained absence by a member, the chairperson shall, inform the Mayor & Council
of said continued absence after 4 consecutive absences. The chairperson shall also
notify the affected Commissioner.
Subd. 3 . Order of Business. The business of the regular meetings of the
Commission shall be conducted in the following order as reflected by the agenda.
o. I.- -,wa1 of Aci -•nda.
/'' c. Approval of Minutes of previous•meetir:as not previously
approved.
d. Petitions, Request and Communications to the Commission.
e. Recommendations and Reports.
1. Reports of the Commission.
2. Reports of Staff.
f• OId.Bu'siness
g. New Business. t
h. Adjournment. Y
Subd. 4 . Agenda Preparation. It is the responsibility of the Director of
Community Services.in cooperation with the chairperson of the Commission toprepare
(- agenda for each of the meetings of the Commission. Said agendas will be
distributed to the members along with-appropriate attachments prior to the
meeting. Any member, of the Commi-ssion may request that an item be
placed on the Agenda.
Subd. 5 . Ro-b'ertg Rules of Order. The conduct of the business of the
Commission at its meeting shall be governed by the current edition . of Roberts
Rules of Order, to the extent they are not inconsistent with these by-
-laws. -
a. Suspension of Rules. The Commission's rules and procedures maybe
suspended by a two-thirds vote of the Commission members present.
b. Voting,Motions. and Recording. Voting on all matters brought before
✓ the Commission shall be by a voice vote , provided that a roll call
vote shall be called and recorded orb any issue requested by.one or
more of the members. There shall be no voting by proxy and each
:"il shall be entitled tc.only
• one vote on any issue.
Subd . 6 . Open Meetings. All Commission meetings shall be open to the
public.
Subd. 7 . Limitation of Discussion. The Chairperson;may subject to
challenge by a majority of the Commission membersSpermit or.close public
discussion on any agenda.item.
SECTION VI. COMMISSION STAFF.
The City's Director of Community ServibesIs- assigned to assist the
Commission in carrying out its duties and responsibilities as staff to it. The
Director may call upon other members of the City's staff to assist in carrying out
these duties and responsibilities as is deemed necessary and appropriate.
SECTION VII. BYLAWS.
The Commission9under the terms of the ordinance establishing.it�has the
yesponsibility for adopting its own rules and. regulations-for the conduct of-its
business. The bylaws of the Commission may be modified or amended by favorable
vote of'any seven members duly appointed to the Commission. Written notification
of proposed amendments to the bylaws must be distributed at the meeting prior to
which the vote shall be taken.
Adopted by the Commission on 7 - 0. vote at the regular meeting held on July 7.
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Monday, January 17, 1977 7:30 PM, CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Tim Pierce, Richard Anderson,
Paul Choiniere, Steve Fifield, William Garens,
Francis Helmer, Jerry Kingrey, Geneva Middleton,
Randy Retterath, Mary Upton
COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services
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7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES OF JANUARY 3, 1977 MEETING
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Eden Prairie In Action Notice
B. Resolution No. 1243 From Council Concerning
Advisory Commissions
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners
1. School Board Director Middleton
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B. Reports of Staff
7:45 1. Purgatory Creek--Interim Report
8:00 2. Capital Improvement Program
8:30 3. 1977 Community Development Grant Program
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VI. OLD BUSINESS
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8:45 VII. NEW BUSINESS
{ A. Presentation by Dave Ellingson, President Hockey
Association of Eden Prairie
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9:15 VIII. ADJOURNMENT
APPROVED
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, JANUARY 17, 1977 7:30 PM, CITY HALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, William Garens,
Richard Anderson, Jerry Kingrey, Mary Upton,
Randy Retterath, Steve Fifield, Paul Choiniere, r
Geneva Middleton, and Francis Helmer
MEMBERS ABSENT: Tim Pierce '
STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services a
OTFIERS PRESENT: Tom Bartel. Eden Prairie News, Dave Ellingson,
President HASP, Tom Striker, Jim Lawrence,
Mr. & Mrs. David Blood, and Dennis Solie
Chairman Erickson called the meeting to order at 7:35 PM. ? '
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II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Garens moved to approve Agenda as published. Upton�aeoonded, motion carried
unanimously.
III. MINUTES OF JANUARY 3. 1977 MEETING
4 Pg. 5, para. 3, delete "Choiniere asked why we were to be concerned with the road."
Pg. 5, para. 3, add "Choiniere, referring to the map used by Enger for his
presentation indicating the -various possible routes for the road, questioned r
why we were looking at the direct route crossing north of the pond, when it 4
was already established that the northerly route would be used, and that it
was a waste of time to discuss it. Enger explained that the direct route was n
there as a reference only to be used as a point of orientation for our discussion." "
P. 6, para. 7, sent. one, add ",in reference to Bloomington's BAA hockey program," '
after "commented".
Additional correction to Minutes of December 6, 1976 Meeting on:
Pg. 6, para. 6, add- !'with Garens voting "nay"."
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Garens moved to approve Minutes of January 3, 1977 meeting as corrected. Kingrey
seconded. Notion carried with Helmer and Middleton abstaining because of absence.
Erickson declared that NEW BUSINESS, ITFM A, would be considered at this time, since
the hockey representatives were present. r:
VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. Presentation by Dave Ellingson. President Hockey Association of Eden a
Prairie
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Ellingson gave a brief breakdown of what he intended to cover in his pre-
sentation, and asked whether this is what the Commission desired.
Kingrey asked whether the HASP had a philosophy sheet available. Ellingson
referred to information given out at time of registration.
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Ellingson spoke to the organization of hockey program in 1974, which was operated s•
by EPAA, and which has since split from that body because of the cost involved.
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He said that they have formed their own group and set out to raise their own money,
and that there were 178 participants in 1974 and 275 participants this year, including
boys and girls. He briefly outlined the different levels, or age groups, and ex-
plained what they were doing with them. Mini-mite level - 6 yrs.- 48 participants, f
learn to skate and use the stick, about two games played during the season. sr' '
Mites - 7-8 yrs. - 75 participants - learn to skate backwards, use of goalies, with
no checking permitted at this level, 5 teams, with some games played. .r
Soyiirts - 9 & 10 yrs. - 67 participants - learn proper positions, hold power clinic,
4 teams, which are all house teams. h'
Pee Wees - 11 & 12 yrs. - 50 participants - 3 teams - with different.abilities, - all
boys and girls' who want to try aut are"given a chance, with Mr. Emahiser helping with rating(. .;
Bantams - 13 & 14 yrs. - oldest teams - traveling - 2 teams - 30 participants,. 1
1 1* hrs. per week outside practice with 54 indoor practice hours, and 21 games.
He spoke to "drafting" process, where all kids are rated through the use of basic (�
drills, by the coaches. He said that the coaches share their lists and select teams ,
based on the drafting, which is held under the supervision of a Commissioner, who
this .Year is Bob Hallett.
Bingrey asked whether the idea was to have the teams as level as possible. Ellingson
responded "affirmative".
Choiniere asked whether the teams were geographically orientated. Ellingson said
that it was agreed that to form the teams according to school location etc. would put
too much pressure on the kids to win for their school and the rivalry was not desirable
at this age.
Upton inquired as to length of season. Ellingson responded from about December 2 thru
the first week in March, with the outdoor teams playing from about January 1 thru
February 1, depending on the weather.
Ellingson spoke further to the 3 levels of Pee Wees, and said one group has outdoor
practice three times a week for 1� hrs., 53 hrs. of indoor ice, and 35 games a season.
He said the "C" or "Gold" team: is made up of 17 boys, rated at the same time as the
others, with 3 1-k hrs. per week practice, 32 indoor hrs., and 18 games. He added
that they do not have this team in a league, and their games are scheduled with surround-
ing teams by the coaches. He said the third level consists of the remaining boys
and this is the outdoor team, which plays in the Scott Carver League. He added that
they play 14 games, have 3 1.k hrs. per week of outdoor practices, plus 18 indoor ice hrs..
Choiniere asked about the cost to the participants. Ellingson answered that at the '
time of registration the cost is $25.00, this being the only cost for the outdoor
pee wee team, an additional $25.00 is paid by boys on the "C" team, and an additional
cost of $60.00 is paid by boys on the "B" or beltline team.
Ellingson responded to questions on price of indoor ice - $45.00 to $50.00 per hour;
division of that time between the teams - equally; how much equipment is furnished -
goalie equipment and jerseys that are kept by the boys; equipment exchange - held
every year for this purpose; restrictions of any kind, including financial - they are
( not turned away for any reason; "quantity discount for families with more than two boys
in the program - none given at this time because of high cost of indoor ice.
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A. Presentation by Dave E11ingson.. ..Prairie (contod)
Upton inquired whether all kids play in every game. Ellingson responded that
there are strict rules for equal time for all boys at the younger level, which
is accomplished by the rotation of lines periodically throughout the game.
Kingrey was concerned with the growth of the program from the past year and
anticipated growth and asked for the comparison figures. Ellingson said that
there were 212 participants last year and 275 participants this year, and they a
do anticipate growth, especially at the Mite level.
Ellingson spoke to the program he had just presented, commenting that it was {
based on a survey made of all the children and families involved the year before.
He added that the cost of running the program will run about $15000, with the r?
majority of funds going for cost of indoor ice, and the rest for league foes,
jerseys, insurance, patches, and equipment bought this year. He said that their
income came from registration, team sponsors(every team this year is sponsored by n„
a business), and bandy sale, and totaled about $18,000.
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Ellingson commented that the HALP has helped the community by helping with the
Prairie View rink and by providing face masks as a safety measure for their teams
and also supplying thirty face masks for the varsity and junior varsity high `1
school teams. He added that the "hockey moms" have given first aid kits to every
team and will offer a first aid clinic with the Public Safety Department. 4p
Choiniere questioned what happens to the boys when they move out of the bantam
level. Ellingson answered that they play on the junior varsity team in the high y
school.
Retterath commented that you are accepted on the junior varsity team if you have !;
the interest, and can move into the varsity team. ,k
Dennis Solie, 6860 Canterbury Lane, commented that his boy hadn't played hockey,
but he signed up recently and was accepted.
Choiniere felt that the area of greatest concern was at the Pee Wee level, and
felt that the kids should be on teams of different abilities, and that this would i
motivate them more than if all were the same level.
Retterath felt that the rating of the kids would be incentive to strive for the
higher team. r
Garens spoke of his personal experience with the program, by having two sons on 17;
the outdoor team, bedause of the"time element and also because of their choice,
and he felt that there was opportunity for them if they want it. He complimented
HAEP on the good job they were doing.
The possibility of a I✓Iidget team next year was discussed, with Ellingson pointing
out that the kids may want to play more hockey than the high school can provide
because of lack of funds.
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A. Presentation by Dave E1linason.....Prairie Lont'd)
Fifield left at 9:00 PM.
Jim Lorence,. 16171 Alpine Way, expressed his opinion that he felt the HAFT
put in a lot of time on the program, but he disagreed with it because he
felt that; you cannot divide fifty kids according to level. He added that
if a kid gets on the outdoor team, he has less ice time and less coaching, ''
and therefore does not develop his own abilities as rapidly. He spoke to the
survey, which he felt was misunderstood because of ambiguous wording that led
them to believe that it was up to the parent and child. He added that he felt
the program was too small to be put into a class system at this time, and
suggested bringing up more teams, and then picking out the traveling team.
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David Blood, 7304 Franklin Circle, agreed with Lorene on the meaning of the
survey in relation to the program, and said his son ended up on the outdoor team.
He added that he did not know how anyone had expertise to judge the team level of f
these kids. Ile felt that the sport was recreational and that th6re'should be
equal time for the kids to develop their skills.
Garen3 pointed out the difference in cost-because of not as much indoor ice time.
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Loren;e responded that everyone he had talked to was willing to pay for the
additional ice time.
Solib added that even on the traveling teams, you have the kids with the desire
and some with the lack of desire.
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Choiniere said that there was no question that the program will expand, and as
they resolve their differences, the City will have to provide more ice, and t
asked whether they had looked into facilities such as a bubble etc.. Ellingson ;
answered that they do have considerable information and that they have approached
private parties about this, with no success. ' `
The need for more rinks was discussed, with Ellingson projecting the need for an
additional rink a year. Erickson added that two rinks will be put up in the
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Edenvale and Preserve areas through the 1977 Community Development Grant Program.
Erickson thanked the HAIZ representatives for appearing before the Commission and
explaining their program. ` f
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A. Eden Prairie in Action Notice <
Jessen spoke to the letter received from Community Ed Services informing the
Commission of the"Eden Prairie In Action" weekend set for March 5-6 and recuest-
ing our participation.
MOTION: Choiniere moved to not participate in the "Eden Prairie In Action" weekend
this year. Upton seconded, motion carried, with Retterath abstaining.
B. Resolution No. 1243 from Council Concerning Advisory Commission-2
MOTION: Choiniere moved to file Resolution 1243 received from the Council.
Upton seconded.
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_ approved H. Resolution No January 17, 1977C
12/•3 Commissio �cont�
Garens commented that he felt that the reduction in membership was good,
and that a Council and School Board lia6n member was not necessary, but
he felt that the chairman or appointee appearing before the Council should ;
be re—imbursed.
Various points were discussed and there were several questions on the in—
tent of some of the points. fill
MOTION: Choiniere moved to amend his motion to include: 1. Will there be
a whole new Board appointed? 2. Will youth members be appointed to regular
terms for three years?
3. When the Commission chairman or appointee
before the Council, he ought to be compensated for this appearance.
appears
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the six year maximum service retroactive or does it begin inaMarch? Uptonls '
seconded the amendment to the Motion, and it carried unanimously.
V. RECOMMEND TIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports Of Commissioners
1. School Board Director Mid le on — no report.
B. Reports of Staff
1. Pur ator Creek--In termm Ro Ort
Jessen spoke to the report of January 14, 1977 containing outline of
current problems and suggestion of postponement of Joint meeting with
the Planning Commission until February 7 to secure additional time for
preparation.
MOTION: Choiniere moved to accept Purgatory Creek Interim Report of
January 14, 1977, file it,and set Joint meeting with the Planning Commission
as suggested for February 7, 1977 at 7:00 PM. Upton seconded, motion
carried, with Kingrey abstaining because of inability to attend meeting.
2. Capital Improvement ftoag am
Jessen spoke to program and suggested that the Commission analyze each of
options available and try to limit our proposal, identify expenditures
and sources of funds.
Choiniere questioned why Cedar Hills was still listed under the Capital
Improvement Program. Jessen responded that the Commission had tabled it
for further discussion on need for this kind of operation and suggested
considering it with the rest of the options.
Erickson was in favor of tabling the Capital Improvement Pro
grm until March 1 because of the possibility of now members, and he felt theydiscussion
( would be getting an opinionated view from oui'
past information.
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2. Capital Improvement Program (cont'd)
Choiniere felt that as a potential outgoing member, he would like to see
the results of the efforts that have been made.
Upton expressed agreement with the present members considering the program
because she felt that as a new member coming in, they would need some back-
ground information on these efforts.
Helmer and Anderson expressed their agreement to continue to conduct business.
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MOTION: Garens moved that a special meeting be called on January 31, 1977, ,
to discuss capital improvements. Anderson seconded, motion carried, with
Kingrey abstaining because of inability to attend the meeting.
3. 1977 Community Development Grant Program
MOTION: Choiniere moved to receive and file memo of January 14, 1977 on
1977 Community Development Grant Program Status. Retterath seconded.
Choiniere withdrew his motion. Retterath withdrew second.
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MOTION: Choiniere moved to amend motion that we receive and file memo of
January 14, 1977 and to exclude item no. 3, $19.000, since it was not in
the original motion voted on by the Commission. Motion died for lack of a
` second.
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Upton commented that this. point had been discussed, and'she was under the
impression that this was intended as part of the Motion when she voted for it.
Jessen explained that this money had been intended for the Valley View trail,
but there is not enough to complete it, therefore, in order not to lose this
money, the Council voted to use it for the Co. Rd. 4 trail.
MOTION: Choiniere moved to file and receive this memo of January 14, 1977
on the 1977 Community Development Grant Program. Retterath seconded, motion
carried unanimously. i
VI. OLD BUSINESS - none
VII. NEW BUSINESS - previously considered at beginning of meeting.
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VIII. ADJOURNMENT
Retterath moved to adjourn at 10:00 PM. Helmer seconded, motion carried unani-
mously.
Submitted by.
Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary
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APPROVED
MINUTES j
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
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Monday, January 31, 1977 7:30 PM, CITY HALL
Special Meetingx
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, Geneva Middleton,
William Garens, Mary Upton, Richard Anderson..
Paul Choiniere, Jerry Kingrey, and Randy Retterath
MEMBERS EXCUSED: Tim Pierce, Steve Fifibld, and Francis Helmer
STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services
Chris Enger, City Landscape Architect
OTHERS PRESENT: Tom Bartel, Eden Prairie News,
The meeting was called to order at 7:40 PM by Chairman Erickson.
DISCUSSION OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMEDIT PROGRAM, oast programs, current needs, and
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Jessen spoke to previous PR & NR Commission meeting at which Motion was passed
requesting report on status of Capital Improvement Program be presented for dis-
cussion. He referred to 1968 Guide Plan of controlling growth, protection of re- !-
sources, and acquisition of land and development of facilities, and added that the c
Park bond issue was significant toward implementing those goals. He said that the
adopted position of soliciting grants to maximize resources resulted in heavy empha-
sis on "resource parks" in 1st Phase of the Park Capital Improvement Program. He
spoke to present total of 1,000 acres of park areas and facilities currently in use
by citizens for various programs and uses, the relative increase in use, and the 'r
projected need for facilities in the future years. He added that the need is for
program demands, and that we are turning adult softball teams away because we are
unable to accomodate them. �f
adopted and includedin City Ordinance goals.,
Jessen spoke to the "cash park fee"
and referred to a map showing service areas, with a J mile radius, and allocated
"cash park fees". Ile added that this is one method of implementing the program.
Jessen explained that the program could be translated into three goals: acquisition
of land close to people for neighborhood playgrounds (6 sites left to be acquired); :
completion of community park acquisition of Mitchell Lake, Lake Riley, Purgatory Creek,
and Cedar hills; and development of facilities to meet current recreational program `'
needs as outlined.
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Jessen spoke to likely conditions over the next five years in federal, state, & Metro �Y
funding, which has been related to outdoor recreation and based on water projects. f
He said that we are beginning to see relative shift to developing of facilities,
rather than purchase of land. He outlined financing possibilities of above listed
goals through use of "cash park fee" and various funding sources. He presented pic-
ture of present funding situation in typical acquisition cost sharing of grants
50% federal funding, 25% state, 9% by Eden Prairie, and with County dropping their
past funding opportunities. He continued that Eden Prairie has received $4.8 million
in grants .from these sources, including grants from Watershed Districts and Metro source
(also some funds from County before program was dropped).
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Jessen projected development cost sharing to be in the range of g5l.8 million
for 1977 through 1981, with Eden Prairie supplying 17%, assuming additional
finand ng. He added that we should continue to try to secure the grants for the
projects that are eligible, and it is important that we identify the funding
source or sources that might fund that particular project. He continued that we ••
need to develop a bond issue referendum or money source to catch up to the three
goals previously mentioned which totaled $950,000 (pg. 9 of report of Jan. 28/77).
Jessen responded to questions about a municipal liquor store, explaining that it
has been discussed by the Council, but there seem to be reservations about the
issue. He added that he felt therew6uld be some opportunity to produce a signifi-
cant amount of money over a period of 4 to 5 years if the City were to approve a
municipal liquor store.
Some of the recommendations offered by Jessen were: 1. Acquisition of the Cedar
Hills site (no. 19) because of its fair price and good possibilities as a revenue
source, with"financing possible through revenue bonding and other sources, 2. Air-
ports Commission system-new zoning, therefore we should take another look at land
involved here. 3. Suggested that the City's priority for LAWCON funding be Mitchell {
Lake, the purchase of Miller Bros. property, because of Pemton "cash park feel'
that will be generated in that area. /+. Watershed District grant assistance.
5. Utilization of "cash park fee" from Hustad for service areas nos. 20 & 21.
(Franlo & Homeward Hills).
Upton suggested the use of the "cash park fees" for Purgatory Creek,,.and questioned
the N.A. Purgatory site for a golf course. Jessen responded that the "cash park fees"
should be used for neighborhood playground near that development, and the City leaves
itself open to court suit if the* funds are used elsewhere. He-added that the City of
Bloomington has three such cases pending.
Anderson questioned the priority of Mitchell Lake site. Jessen answered that it is
the last of the lakeshore parks except Lake Riley, and is currently under option and
available to Eden Prairie under favorable terms. He added that it would fulfill the
need for neighborhood playground and community park.
Jessen spoke to commercial and industrial acreage, which was 22 acres this year,
with a total amount of 106 acres projected to 1980, with total amount of money genera-
ted estimated at $250,000.
Upton asked .whether the Pillsbury Co. was coming in to E.P. Jessen answered affirmative, f ,
but added that the Preserve has already fulfilled this responsibility by dedicat-
ing the west shore of Anderson Lake. '
Jessen spoke to opportunity to prepare an application for Local Public Works, a federal
job stimulus for job producing construction. He felt we could make application to
build a field house through this 3 prong federal economy booster.
Garens connented that a "rule of thumb" of the Commission has always been to locate y ,
a park next to a school. He asked whether the School Board has shown interest in
this idea. Jessen responded that the Preserve site was adequate, subject to further
review; there were problems with the Edenvale site; there was a change in enrollment
pattern in the Red Rock Center site;&Mitchell Lake and Hidden Pond sites were accept-
able sites. These had been reviewed with the school district, and the final conclusion
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was that the City was hoping to buy some of these properties by "cash park fee'"
or joint agreement and he added that the land should be reserved fairly early
while the cost is reasonable, working out details later.
Choiniere commented that the discussion tonight was very general, and asked
what could be done to make it more specific. Jessen referred to the financing
of the three goals as listed on pg. 9 of the report as very specific.
Anderson commented that he felt the Commission should review where we have been
and where we are going to see whether 'a_ change of emphasis is needed. He added
that he felt there was not enough offered the adults in the community, such as
cross country ski trails or horseshoe pits, and that most of the recreation is for
the young people.
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Erickson suggested that development of parks would permit that type of recreation
and that we should arrive at certain park areas to focus our attention on. G
Upton questioned the possibility of the elimination of the Hidden Ponds site, and "
the use of the school park at the Lochanburn area to serve Hidden Ponds also through
bike and hike trails. Jessen responded that Hidden Ponds does not come into the
service area of Lochanburn.
Jessen stressed that the money must be located generally from what would be eligible
for grants, and will involve a bond issue. He added that there would be a severe
curtailment of activities in the next few years, and referred members to pg. 9 of
his report. He spoke to Mitchell Lake and Lake Riley as responsibility of the City
because some money is already"involved°at these sites. He explained that the summary
of the intention of pg. 9 (financing of three goals) was to indicate the difference
from the 1975 referendum to today, with what we know of "cash park fee".
Anderson asked whether Jessen was recommending purchase of some of this land.
Jessen responded affirmative, referring to Franlo and Homeward Hills sites, because '
of pending development. He spoke to some of the other sites such as Lochanburn,
Topview, and Eden View, where there was no development taking place.
Choiniere asked whether the developer agrees to a geographic area for the "cash park +,
fee". Jessen responded that the developer gets a receipt at the timethe building
permit is issued which states "as per neighborhood park as per Ordinance". He added
that this development creates a need for service.
Choiniere commented that he felt this community was out of balance regarding park
bond issue, and added that he is hearing from citizens that areas that are well
served would not support a park bond issue. He felt the "caeh park feel' would be a
buffer. Jessen commented that he feels that service given in certain areas leads
itself to support for other areas, and added that it is the Council's decision.
Choiniere stated that the "cash park feel' did not have to be used specifically in the
area where it was assessed.
P-tiddleton left at 9:20 P24.
Anderson moved to adjourn at 9:30 PM. Garens seconded, motion carried, with Upton
and Choiniere casting dissenting votes.
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Submitted by,
Donna Stanley, Recording Secretary