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Parks and Recreation - 07/19/1976 i 1976 { i JULY 19 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AG EN DA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, July 19, 1976 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Tim Pierce , Richard Anderson, Paul Choiniere, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Francis Helmer, Jerry Kingrey, Geneva Middleton, t Brian Mikkelson, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:3 0 I. ROLL CALL III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF JUNE 29_, 1976 MEETING e IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7.45 A. Letter from Holmes Empson, E.P.A.A. President Concerning Facility Needs B. Letter from Ted Vickerman Concerning Bryant Lake Park Boat Regulations V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 8:00 1. Councilman Pierce , 2. School Board Chairman Middleton 3. 4. B. Reports of Staff 8:15 1. Firearms Ordinance 8:20 2. Consideration of Purchase of Miller Bros. Property 8:25 3. Consideration of Purchase of Grill Property Parks, Recreation & Natural -2- Monday, July 19/76 Resources Commission 1 8:30 4. Development Proposals a. Preserve Area H ;b. Crosstown Baptist Church c. Nygren Estates d. Creekwood S.P.D./Double Bungalow 8:45 S. 1977 Program Budget VI. OLD BUSINESS 9:30 A. Commission Goals 9.40 B. Kucher and Deaver Properties 9:50 C. Capital Improvement Program 1 . Parks 2. Playgrounds 3 . Trails 4. Other Facilities 10:20 D. Report on Lower Minnesota River Wildlife & Recreation Areli E. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. B. 10:30 VIII. ADJOURNMENT tapproved PARKS, EMREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES CO*USSION Monday, July 19, 1976 7t3O M CITY H.AIZ RIDERS PRESENTt Chairman Marvin ESrickeon, Paul Choiniere, Jerry Kingrey, Francis Helmer, William Garens, Richard Anderson, Tim Pieroe$ and Brian Mikkelson 14MERS ABSENT. Geneva Middleton, Mary Upton, and Steve Fifield STAFF PRESBNTs Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Sandy Warts, Recreation Supervisor OTHERS PRESENTS Tom Bartel.. Eden Prairie Counxuity News The meeting was called to order at 700 P*Mow by Chairman Erickson, II. A'MM QF AGMA Addition oft V.A. 3. NPRA Meeting - Anderson h V.H. 6. Teen Work Program - Choiniere VII.A. Softball Tournament Participation - Choimiere Choiniere moved to accept Agenda as amended. Garens seconded, motion carried. III. '._�i4VA?; 2B MI911'Fs OF JUKE 29, 1976 ME6' ZQ Choiniere moved to accept Minutes of June 29, 1976 meeting as presented. Kingrey seconded, motion carried, with Anderson and Garens abstaining be- cause of absenoe. IV. PETIT?ONS, REQUESTS, AND COMMZTNx_ GATI0N9 A. Leger. fmqm H.olmea AgRaga. LP-A.A. President GRncerjAag.ZWILlItY Deeds Jensen spoke to letters of July 13, 1976 directed to Moor Penal and Board members, dealing with meeting of Empson, Kingrey, and himself on status of baseball field proposals. He said that E.F,A.A* is amvently planning a hind raising effort to generate money. He contimted that he had submitted a request for a $200,000 grant to the Metro Council for the recreational development of Round Lake. He added that they feel the proposed Little League fields would not infringe on the future plans for the high school or other recreational faoiltties. He oontimsed that the Council and School Board are meeting tomorrowp and that the Council wL1.l. also consider the location of the Valley View Rd. extension. Kin�grey added that the idea is to get four softball fields hopetltlly seeded for next year, and they are trying to tie in their plans with Jensen's preliminary application to the Metro Council. r _ . I Minutes — Parks, Roc. and July 19, 1976 Natural Resources Commission approved Page Two Garen inquired about the well. Jessen responded that there is presently inq po ha p ese tlp a well at Round Lake and they have used it, but it will not be adequate. He said that a new well is being proposed in the 1977 budget. MDTIONt gingrey moved to receive and file the letters of July 13, 1976, regarding the status report of the softball field proposals. Gerona seconded, motion carried unanimously. B. LQtter from Ted Vickerman Concerninrr Brant Lake Park Boat aeaalations Jessen spoke to the letter received from Vickerman, one of the home owners living on Bryant Lake. He said that he has had discussion with landowners with conflicting views on power boat regulations, and there is a problem because some of the residents use their power boats on Sunday and seem to be flounting the ban request. He asked for more thought on it, and suggested conducting hearings with residents about this„ Anderson empressed his ;.41saproval of the present ,regulationsp and felt that we were creating a private speed boat policy for residents of the lake, and depriving rest of the residents from using the water. Since it was federally funded, he felt that we should check with the City Attorney on this. C MTIONtAnderson moved to ask for opinion from our City Attorney, as to applying same rules to water as to park. Hingrey seconded. The second was withdrawn. by gingrey. Jessen asked for point of clarification as to whether the intent was to ask for opinion on whether the City has the right to regulate water or whether it is discrimination of public water. Anderson responded that he questions whether the regulations that we now have are legal. Garen asked how the City presently regulates lakes. Jessen answered that the City has the right to regulate water through our Ordinance, and that it would be binding on everyone using the lake. He added that City Attorney Perbix had reviewed the Bryant Lake rules and felt they were acceptable. He said that when it involves boats, it gets to be a touchy problem. MTIONt Anderson moved to request a legal interpretation on whether our present policy of use of power boats on Sunday is legal. Aingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. Q. l G02rIl KWION3 —$SPORTS A. genorts of Co�aissionere ' 1 l 1. Councilmen Pierce Jessen reported for Pierce on two mattew on which action was taken Minutes - Parks, Roo. and Natural. Page Three Resources Commission .)approved July 199 1976 l 1. CQuncilman_Pierce (oontld) by the Councils it was decided that there was a need for a comounity swimming pool, and it was recommended to the School Board that if they agreed with this, they offer the voters a chance to vote on the whole issue rather than the City and School district offering separate questions. � He oontirmed that the City would work with theme on maintenance. Jessen said -the'second action taken by the Council was an approval of a positive step for tree disease remedies, which would be to purchase lignason collars for titatment of healthy trees and providing treed to replace those having to be out down. He added that the City is re-imbursed 50% from the State, and the money received back would be put in the reforestation program along with money allocated by the Council in the budget from last year. 2. School BoaXd r('lLLUM MWSLUton Absent 3. 9iinidrd=A9d=son -,XM Meetin¢ s � Anderson spoke to the recent Minnesota Park and Recreation Association meeting, at which a member of the Metro Council spoke on funding. He � said the change of emphasis has been from aoquisition of land to develop- ment, although they have not totally dropped the idea of acquisition of land. He added that the priorities are closeness and high density areas. Jessen oc=mmted that because they are funding development projects, this is the basis for which we have made application for Round Lake development. He added that since this was water based development, the reaction by the Metro Council was favorable. He explained that the Five Year Capital laa- provement Plan, which PR & NR Conmd.ssion and Council approved, dial not get considered but is being taken up again. He stressed the importance of , approving a new, Capital. Improvement Program very soon. , Anderson, referring to .the action taken by the Council because of some residentd objection..to.16ke:Ailey as a regional parks felt that we needed to take some strong action, as far as funding goes. Jessen added that under current wording, we will not get Metro funding for + Lake Riley, andt may nov become a small park. He said the 200 plus acres of park land are at stake, that night have been funded completely by Metro funding. He added that the Metro Council has the right to say there is still a need for a regional park and ask us to re-consider. S B. Rewrtg of 8taft 1. �, Qrdiiaet�°e Jessen spoke to oomments by Public Safety Department that fees are too low r p, q I Minutes - Parks, Ilea. and Page Four Natural Resources Commission Aapproved July 19, 1976 and they suggest a slightly higher fee schedule and also for non- !` residents. Kingrey expressed his concern with the definition of "deadly weapons", and was opposed to going as far an including bob guns and sling shots In that definition, Garen felt that bows & arrows should be included. n` It was generally agreed that there was no difference between the impact of the b.b gun acid air rifle, depending on the age and purpose of the child using it, and that there is a used for control. i. F MTIONe Kingrey moved to revise Section 2. A - Deadly WgAZ= to"include.hunting r type b.b guns, air rifles, and bois and arrows. Choiniere seconded, motion carried, with Anderson abstaining. n . Anderson was concerned with Section 4. Be - Ar_aas, where di s2haTae of fiream is vermitted, and did not agree with the boundaries of the land defined, but felt there were two other areas where hunting should be permitted. (near Kerber property and a portion west of 494, Valley View to Mitchell Road.) 1 Caren commented that he felt the only way to have control is to have no hunting in the City, and he felt that this is what we eventually were coming to. ' Choiniere pointed out that the biggest problems is that non-residents come in ,p C and do not know that you cannot hunt in certain areas. He added that the encroach- ment of human beings is too great in some areas to allow the risk of boundaries that are too close. Erickson asked what the feeling of the Public Safety Department was re t complete barn. Jessen responded that they did not feel this was warrantteed�a a this time. Anderson agreed with Choiniere that non-residents pose the biggest problem, and that more signs-forbidding hunting without permits be posted, with the responsibility of posting falling on people allowing hunting on their land. r, Choiniere commented that as long as the Public Safety people feel it is a safe pro- 4; gram, it is a healthy thing, and it is recreation and part of the whole picture. He felt that the Public Safety people had good sense in the way they outlined the program. Tom Bartel, representative of the Eden Prairie Community News, asked what the pre- sent restrictions were. Garen said that ahot guns only were permitted. ' Anderson added that# at the present time, a person could hunt deer with a shot gun and a slug with no permit. MTIONI Garens moved to not allow hunting, outside of the river bottom, within the ' ( City. The Motion died for lack of a second. i r y ' Minutes - Parks, Rea, and Page Five Natural Resources Commission "t pproved July 19, 1976 �+ t 1. Firearms Ordinance (coht'd) is Helmer voiced his support for the opinion of the Public Safety people, �. and felt that they would know the difficult areas to police., and where the problem area are. MTIONt Helmer moved to approve the Ordinance as recommended, with the revision of definition of firearms. Garen" seconded. Garens withdrew his second. MTIONs Choiniere moved to amend Section 4. C. to comply with--the State regulations relative to DNR requirements for permits for persons under 16 years of age. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. '+` t It MaTIONs Choiniere moved to amend Section 4. D. to read that persons under T 16 of age are comjNxing with DNR, if we are to be consistent with State raga.. lations. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. MTIONs Choiniere moved that under Section 4. S, a person be entitled to hunt on any of the areas from which he received permission, regardless of low many landowners he has received permits from. Kingrey seconded. Kingrey withdrew his second. There was discussion of landowner regulation of game. !' f Choiniere withdrew his Lotion. WTIONs Helmer moved to approve the Firearm Ordinanoe,.aw-reomnotet►ded, with the amendments. Kingrey seconded. The Motion was defeated, with a vote of: Kingrey - "eye" Garens -"nay" Mikkelson - abstain Erickson - "aye" Anderson -"ney" !{ Helmer - "aye" Choiniere-"nay" Changing of fees were discussed, and most members felt the present policy was agreeable. a MJTIONt Choiniere moved to include areas west of 4942 north by Valley View Rd. to Mitchell Road and south by Highway 53 and Highway 5 up to Bound Lake Estates, north to Heritage Park Estates, Motion didd for lack of a second. Kingrey expressed hie opposition to changing boundaries until we have talked 41 with Public Safety people. i M)TIONs Garene moved to add to Section 4. F - that all areas to be hunted by permit are to be posted "hunting by permit only" by parties issuing the permission. Motion died for lack of a second. NDTIONs Anderson moved to table and send back to the Committee, and bring back to the PR & NR Commission, lotion died for lack of a aeoond. Jensen suggested that the Ordinance will be ooneidered at first reading by the ` Counolls, and that Public Safety representatives could be available at the next PR & NR meeting to ataswer questions. Pierce arrived at 9310 P.M.. Minutes — Parks, Rec, and Page Seven Natural Resources commission ,approved July 19, 1976 !; 7 `j be crosstown $aatist Chvrcla Jensen spoke to Staff Report of July 16 pertaining to oonstruction of a church,, parking lot and recreational facilities on a total of 8,57 acres. Eingrey asked what their intentiark was in building recreational facilities. Jessen responded that some of the purchased land is low and not suitable for any use but open space type of use. Jessen said the property was located between St. John's Wood and Mr. Kelly's property, north of Forest Hills Elementary. Kingrey expressed interest in possibility of-development of ball fields and wanted to know more about the proposal, suggesting that we work closely with theme on this objective. Jessen referred to p6iat no. 4 of the Staff recommendation, which states this intention of the church and city park & recreation department to allow joint recreation use of city and church facilities. Choiniere asked whether there was a timetable for completion. Jessen responded that it was generally set for two years for this kind of pro— MOTION: Anderson moved to recommend approval of the Staff Report of ( July 16, 1976, subject to the recommendations of the report, Gerona seconded, motion carried, with Pierce abstaining. c. Doren_Estates Jessen reported that the property is located east and south of Hidden Ponds, and they are proposing to fulfill requirements of the cash park fee Ordinance of M5 per lot. NDTION: Garen moved to accept recommendation of Staff regarding the Nygren Estates. Choiniere seconded, motion carried unanimously. d. OXeekwood S.F.D./Dou le allow Jessen reviewed the plan briefly and asked for questions. NOTION: Choiniere moved to accept recommendation on the Creekwood S.F.D./ Double Bungalow. Garons seconded. motion carried unanimously. 5. = Prgo= Budget Jessen explained that this was the first draft of the budget, and it con- twins a substantial increase in a couple ofareas where we feel we need to make these oommi.ttments, and some areas that are not oritival, but would im- prove the quality of the programs. He emphasized that final action VM have to be taken by August 2, and that the general budget will he put together for a `3 the Council to take action on in August. e Minutes - Parks, Roo. and Page Six Natural Resources Commission .,%approved July 19, 1976 1. Firearms Ordi=c,a (count'd) MTIONs Helmer moved to accept the Ordinance an amended, with recommen- dations to the Council after further discussion of boundaries. Choiniere seconded, the notion carried with Gerona abstaining. (Pierce arrived too late to vote on above motion3 2. Conaide.0tion of Purchase of Miller Bros, Property Jessen spoke to Memo of July 16, 1976,concerning the purchase, and asked for questions. Garens questioned whether thence was a discrepancy of figures, because the market value appraisal was for $368,4W, with the owners asking $550,000, and the City agreeing to pay $475,000. Jessen explained that the�,e.40 I:L% . inflation on key business type land values. He added that the City's only conmittment will be the $5,000, and that the important point is the terms of payment, rather than dollar amounts. MTI0N:Garens moved to recommend to the Council the Staff recommendations E, of July 169 1976, regarding the purchase of the biller Bros. Property. Kingrey seconded, motion carried. with Pierce abstaining. Helmer expressed his opinion that he would rather see money going into development rather than purchase of land. Jessen explained that we have an application in for LAWCON funding presently, and the $5,000 is the only eommittment the City will be making at this time. He also referred to Penton development cash park fees to be used here. 3. C-onsideWion of Purchase of Grill EmpertY Jessen spoke to Memo of July 16, 1976 regarding the proposed purchase and explained that we have funding from the 1976 LAWON grant and unencumbered funds in the park bond fund. MTIONs Choiniere moved to accept recommendations of Memo of July 16, 1976, regarding purchase of Grill Property. Garen seconded, motion carried with Pierce abstaining, 4. DeveloAment Proposals t a. Preserve Area H Jessen spoke to status report, and pointed out location of Area H, , located sw of Ring Route and west of Highway 169, with regional commeroi.al, and service coning. He explained that according to the plan, there was enoroaohment of eight acres on flood plain. He added that the Preserve has fulfilled their open space committments with the 55 &area on Anderson Lake, and the 22 Bore school,/park on this particular plan. He referred to the Preserve PUD approved plan, Major Center Plan, and Purgatory Creek Study for background information for present status of the plan. ringrey thanked Jessen for the report and asked what the necessary action was at this time. Jessen responded that no action was required. i Minutes - Parks, Race and Page Tight Natural Resources Commission approved July 191 1976 1 ' 5. I7 Promm ftdat co tt RATION�SUMIVISQA Choiniere expressed concern with money allocated for conferences and schools. Jessen and Worts both felt they were emtranely-benefioial to them in gaining and exchanging ideas with others in their find, and that attendance helped them do a better job for Eden Prairie. Garen asked whether there was duplication of attendance at these meetings. Jessen said that out-of-town conferences were attended by only one person, but the two of them would attend if it were in town. Warts responded to questions of what was included in the printing service and whether it was of value. She said it included pwo gram brochures and weekly flyers to the schools, and that people called if they dial not receive one or misplaced it. Jessen added that it is meant to be informative spending, or an attempt to solicit participation. MTIONs Kingrey moved to accept Recreation Supervisor Program as it stands: Garens seconded, motion carried, with Choiniere casting the disson" vote, because he was in favor of reducing budget by $400 under "conferences • MMIQ�= MTION: Choiniere moved that under "Objectives", the Braemar COOLER be discontimed. Anderson seconded for purpose of discussion. Notion carried, with Garens casting the dissenting vote. The failure of the COOLER the past year was discussed, and dt was generafiljr agreed the lack of a hockey exhibition was the main ieason. Kiingrey expressed his approval at the inclusion of a track and field meet for area youth to be eligible to enter some of the regional and State recreational events. MOTIONS Choiniere moved to accept Special Events Program, with the amumbiont of disoontinuation of the COOLER. Kingrey seconded, motion carried. SUMM PLAY, UXD There was general discussion regarding playground sites and crossing problems. MOTIONS Garen moved that the Summer Playground Program be approved as pro- posed. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. BEACH OPE ngli3 Jessen spoke to increase of budget mainly in increasing salary of leaders and addition of a third site, Lake Riley. They are also proposing the purchase of sailboats for use on Bryant Lake, with a program for sailing instruction and rental. Anderson suggested the possibility of dockage facilities. Choiniere oosimanted that sailboating was an excellent recreation for apartment or -.-AI-JuSum dwellers. Gerona asked what the present salary of the personnel was. Warts responded that $2.50 per hour was the lowest, and added that they are having a hard time getting r Minutes - Parks, Rea. and Page Nine Natural Resources Commission approved July 19, 1976 to enough applicants to choose from because the salaries are lox. G Jessen stressed the need for firct aid and safety supplies. Anderson recommended scuba tank for life sa:li.ng, because of length of time it would take to cell for �. one from the County if the need should arise. There was discussion of improvement of Round Ieke beach and the need for a water quality study. Jessen said the watershed districts are interested in the study and would help financially. k Choiniere requested a schedule of salaries received by head guard and other guards, so we can make an adjustment. f NOTION: Choiniere moved to accept the Beach Operation Program as proposed. Helmer seconded, notion carried, with Anderson voting "nay" because of his opposi- tion to the power boating schedule for Bryant Lake. 4' ! Chairman Erickson left the meeting at 1O240 Pm., with Vice-Chairman Garens pre- siding for the remainder of the meeting. It =1 ►TIONAL SKILL DZ-M,O M i a Jessen explained this was a self-sustaining program. MTION: Pierce moved to accept the program as proposed. Anderson seconded, motion f carried unanimously. MAJOR S,ATZNTG RINKS PROGRAM Jessen spoke to addition of supervised, lighted, free skating and hockey rink to Prairie View School park, and upgrading of pay schedules, which have consti- tuted increase in this program cost. k NOTIONS Choiniere moved to accept Mayor Rink Program. $ingrey seconded, motion carried unanii usly. 3 MINI, _ SKATING PROGRAM Jessen reported that they are planning for eleven rinks, in: ooqpariaoncto the"eleven " last year. He stressed the need for getting started early. Choiniere requested change in terminology for leadership for this program to "mini- r' rink coordinator". NOTION: Choiniere moved to approve program as proposed, gingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. ORGANIZED ATHLETICS Jessen explained that this was another self-austaining activities type of program, with high participation, and that addition of facilities will increase budget. f. NOTION: Anderson moved to accept program as proposed. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. k r I Minutes - Parks, Reo. and Page Ten j Natural Resources Commission ;approved July 3.9, 1976 TMI ACTIVITIES. Jessen said program increases are in leadership area and contractual services. j Kingrey inquired about the possibility of group purchase of some items. Jessen responded the Hennepin County has such group purchase items and said he would explore the matter further. MOTION: Choiniere moved to accept Teen Activity Program as presented, Kingrey seconded. The motion carried unanimously. WORFATION FOR SPECIAL POPIILATIONS Jessen stressed that there is a need for this and that now was the time to try and develop some of these programs. Werts added that these are all cooperative ventures. ' MOTION: Choiniere moved to accept the program as presented. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously, CONCES37C0NS MOTION: Choiniere moved to accept the programs as proposed. Pierce seconded, motion carried unanimously. PARK MAINTENANCE Jessen spoke to overload of Mork by this department by the addition of third major rink, eleven mini-rinks, increase of sports around the community; and said the addition of another full time temporary man is essential. MTION: Choiniere moved to accept the Park Maintenance Program as presen+tedi• Pierce seconded, motion carried unanimously. -OHESTRX Jessen spoke to the fact that the entire tree disease program is mandated by State Law, and that the State says we are not doing enough in this area, Some of the Commission ambers had serious doubts about the need for a ftil tioa >; forester. MTIONs Eingrey mowed to approve the Forestry Program as it is. Mdermoa aeconded. Motion carried, with Garens voting "nay". Kingrey commented that he did not like the idea of a foresters but hopes to get substantial use out of him,in the re-forestration paint of the program. PAAK FI ANNING MOTION: Choiniere moved to accept program as proposed. Helmer seconded, motion carried unanimously. � I3TN �TION " Choiniere expressed his opinion that the City should set limits on expenditures for"schools and conferences". Jessen said it is statdard practice for persons to be sent to these conferences for professional grovth in zMW ocamomitiee. A MOTION: Kingrey moved to approve Administration Bndget as proposed. �r v . Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. Minutes - Parks, Rae. and Paagge Xi.even Natural Resources Conmission 'approved July 19, 1976 4I. OLD WSnWS A. Vi esion g2W e _ tabled. I Be XM leer and Deaver Promti_ea - tabled. C. t9avital lunro�nt Pro¢ratn Jessen handed out additional information sheets on various aspects of the program. D. Revort on Lower Minnesota BlUr,WilJIif & Recreation .Area I+DTION: Choiniere moved to accept memo of July 14s 1976 regarding July 8, 1976 Public Hearing on the Lower Minnesota River Wildlife & Recreation area. Hingre.*• -seconded, motion carried unanimously. 4II. M1 HII low A. 12ftball Tourziament Partio{aat{on - Choiniere - tabled. 4III. �O Choiniere moved to adjourn at 11a45 P.M.. Helmer seconded, motion carried. � 6 Submdtted by, Donna Stw aey Recording Secretary l.