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Parks and Recreation - 06/29/1976 1976 JUKE 711159 29 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, June 7, 1976 7:3 0 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Tim Pierce, Richard Anderson, Paul Choiniere , Steve Fifield, William Garens, Francis Helmer, Jerry Kingrey, Geneva Middleton, Brian Mikke lson, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Marty lessen, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL w ' II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA S III. MINUTES OF MAY 17 1976 MEETING MINUTES OF MAY 25 1976 SPECIAL MEETING IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS ? C 7:45 A. Letter from Leo Lund_concerning land for sale along Purgatory Creek B• Communication from E.P.A.A, concerning Facility Plannin C. Not tion of MRPA Board and Commission Tour D. Letter from Minnetonka concerning Deaver/Kucher Property V: RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS 8:00 A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Councilman Pierce 2. School Board Director Middleton 3. 4. J '1 l Parks, Recreation & Natural -2- Monday, June 7/76 j Resources Commission B. Reports of Staff r: 8.15 1. Development Proposals a. Neill Lake Apartments b. East-West Parkway Apartments 8:30 2. Crosstown Highway Extention 8:45 3. Recreation Activities Registration Report 1 VI. OLD BUSINESS 9:00 A. Commission Goals 9:15 B. Kucher and Deaver Properties 1 9.15 C. Capital Improvement Program 1 . Parks 2. Swimming Pool 3. Other Facilities j VII. NEW BUSINESS A. B. 10:00 VIII. ADTOURNMENT 1 i Unapproved L~ pAj:gS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RLSOURCES Colva LSSION M 7930 PM, CITY HALL Monday, June 7, 1976 Chairman Marvin Erickson, Mary Upton, 1,0MERS PRESENTt Tim Pierce, Paul Choiniere, Steve Fifield, and Brian Mikkelson MEMBERS ABSF.1JTs Richard Anderson, 1JiliKam G enso Francis Helmer, Jerry grey, Geneva Middleton Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services STAFF PRESENTa Tom Bartel, E. P. Conammity News OTHERS PRFBSENTt Chairman Erickson canceled the meeting for lack of a quorom. f Submitted by, Donna Stanley, Recording SecretarY C AG ENDA Joint Meeting of: Eden Prairie City Council Eden Prairie School Board Tuesday, June 15 , 1976 7:30 PM, CITY HALL I. Call to Order II. Approval of Agenda S III. Forest Hills .Landscaping IV. Overview of School District Needs & Plans V. Valley View Road thru Round Lake Site VI. Swimming Pool A. Design & Construction ( B. Operations and Maintenance VII. Report on Communication with Moody's Investors Representatives r� AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION C Tuesday, June 29 , 1976 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS Marvin Erickson, Tim Pierce, Richard Anderson, Paul Choiniere, Steve Fifield , William Garens, Francis Helmer, Jerry Kingrey, Geneva Middleton, Brian Mikkelson, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:3 0 1. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF MAY 17, 1976 MEETING MINUTES OF MAY 25, 1976 MEETING IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:45 A. Letter from Leo Lund concerning land for sale along Purgatory Creek. B. Communication from E.P.A..A. concerning Facility Planning. C . Letter from Minnetonka concerning Deaver/Kucher Property. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS 8:00 A. Reports of Commissions 1 . Councilman Pierce 2. School Board Director Middleton 3. 4. .. Parks, Recreation & Natural -2- Tuesday, June 29/76 Resources Commission B. Reports of Staff 8:15 1. 1976 Summer Recreation Program 8:25 2. Zylka Property Purchase 8:30 3 . Forestry Program 8:40 4. Municipal Liquor Store 8:50 S . Firearms Ordinance 9:00 6. 1977 LAWCON Grant Application 9:15 7. Crosstown Highway Extension . 9:25 8. Development Proposals t a. Neill Lake Apartments b. East-West Parkway Apartments c.. CNR VI. OLD BUSINESS 9:30 A. Commission Goals 9:40 B. Kucher and Deaver Properties 9:45 C. Capital Improvement Program 1. Parks 2. Swimming Pool 3. Other Facilities D. E. r, Parks, Recreation & Natural -3- Tuesday, June 29/76 CResources Commission VII. NEW BUSINESS 10:00 A. 1977 Program Budget B. C. VIII. ADJOURNMENT C .approved PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES C%1MI SSION Tuesday, June 29, 1976 7:30 PM, City Hall MMeERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, Geneva Middleton, Francis Helmer, Jerry Kingrey, Mary Upton, Paul Choiniere, and Steve Fifield DIIIdBERS ABSENT: Richard Anderson, William Garens, Tim Pierce, and Brian Mikkelson STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Roger Ul:stad, City Manager Richard Putnarj, Planning Director OTHERS PRESENT: Tom Bartel, Eden Prairie Community News The meeting _ was called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Chairman Erickson. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Jessen requested addition of IV. D. Notice of Lower MinnesQt Wildl:1 Hearing. Kingrey requested addition of VII. B. Round Lake Park - Questions about, and Fireworks at E.P. g C Jessen requested addition of VII. C. gA_ Upton moved to approve Agenda with additions, Kingrey seconded, and motion carried. III. MINUTES OF HAY 17, 1976 I-METING Helmer moved to approve Minutes of May 17, 1976. Choiniere seconded, motion carried. MINUTES OF I•1AY 25, 1976 SPECIAL MEETING Choiniere moved to accept Minutes of May 25, 1976 special meeting. Upton seconded, motion carried. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMdUNICATIONS A. Letter from Leo Lund concerning land for sale alo e Puri ator.y Creek. Jessen spoke to notification regarding property and located land in question on the map. He added that it had been considered by the Council earlier. MOTION: Choiniere moved to accept recommendation of May 14, 1976 as outlined. Helmer seconded, motion carried unanimously. f In response to a nuestion by Upton, Jessen explained that the City owned the land on three sides of the Lund property, with .the exception of the parcol that fronted on Valley View Road. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Page Two Natural Resources Commission -approved June 29, 1976 B. Communication from E.P.A.A. concerning Facility Planning Chairman Erickson declared the issue be moved to later in the evening, when Mr. Holmes Empson was present. C. Letter from Minnetonka concerning DeaverAucher Pro-pertv I MOTION: Choiniere moved to receive and file communication 'of June 1, 1976 received from Ms. KathyIiort, Recreation Planner & Coordinator for the City of Minnetonka, regarding possibility of a joint effort to purchase land for open space and recreation purposes. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. D. idotification of Lower Minnesota Wildlife Hearing E� I Jessen spoke to notice of a Congressional Field Hearing; on this proposal at the Government Center on July S, and said he felt that we should submit testimony in behalf of the City of Eden Prairie. MOTION: Choiniere moved to receive the information and encourage Jessen to attend. Kinnrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. Jessen commented that he did have a conflict with a Staff Budget meeting, but t-rould see that Eden Prairie was represented. C_ 1. RECOIII,IF.AIDATIONS AND RF 0RTS f A. Councilman Pierce Jessen, speaking for Pierce, referred to three items acted upon by the Council. 1. - The Council, at the recommendation of the City Attorney, changed the Commercinl/ Office/Industrial Use Fee from $2,000 per acre to :`r1,200 per acre. lie said the Planning Commission and the Council felt it was hard to justify at this point, but this could be reviewed annually and adjusted to whatever amount to keep fee current. blr. Tom Bartel, E. P. Community News, asked whether this had been approved by the Council. Jessen responded that the second reading was given on June 22. Discussion took place regarding; Storm Water Holding areas or ponds and questions were raised on whether developers have to put in storm sewers. Jesson explained that developers are required to put in storm sewers under Minnesota Statuatory Enabling Law. Kingrey asked whether the annual review procedure is accepted. Jessen responded that each year the Council. updates the services as part of the Ordinance. Jessen spoke to iteri no. 2 - approval of Lake Riley Schaitberger property, With the Council moving to exercise option with payment of :;N21,000. Iie said the Idatershod District will re-imburse the City for one-half of the total amount. lie added that the I--fotion included a group re-thinking of regional Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Page Three Natural Resources Commission .approved June 29, 1976 Cpark use, with no additional acquisition at Lake Riley until farther re- thinking. He added that it causes problem with Metro funding, because of inclusion of money for acquisition at bake Riley, which would be 100%funding. He continued that Schaitberger will continue to operate through Labor Day. Jessen said the third item approved by Council was final step of bikeway/hikeway program. Upton inquired where it would be built. Jessen responded on land owned by City and County, and to qualify for this funding we have to take this route, with no right-of-ways involved. He added that at the last Council meet- ing. all people were invited to attend and discuss placement of trail and how it would affect their property. Ile said that most of the people felt it was a 1 good idea, but did not want it up on their front step. i, 2. School Bon rd Director Middleton Middleton suggested postponing her report until later in the meeting, as it r involved those issues scheduled for later. ~ B. Reports of Staff 1. 1976 Summer Recreation Pror*ram Jessen spoke to status of various summer programs: Playground program -enrollment increasing; teen drop-in center - good response for first two evenings, except for dance on third evening; Playground On Wheels - good attendance except at Edenview I, more flyers sent out and if response doesn't pick up there, the location will be a changed; Round Lake Beach - significant increase in: attendance noticeable in non-hot weather and increase in bikes being used to get there; and Bryant Lake - good attendance, with fair success in boating. r Choiniere e:q,ressed his approval for the teen work program, and said he felt it was excellent. e MOTION: Choiniere moved to receive and file the Memo of June 25, 1976 on the Swvj-ior Recreation Program. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. 2. Zylka Property Purchase, Jessen sr:oke to the Iiemo of June 2!1., 1976, stating; that the Cit.y owns land completely ` surrounding the lnl:e and that this is one of the last two parcels left to complete the acquisition of tl,o Staring Lake Complex. Choiniore questioned the value of acquiring this land. Jessen responded that it was ; tl:e second to tl,e last parcel to complete ownership of land along Purgatory Creek along Highway 169 to where it crosses Research Rd, and that it is critical to the continuity of Purgatory ._rook. He added that grant application has been made and we have the nonay available to l)roceed with the purchase. Choiniere. referring to the further negotiation and compromise with land'awner. " nuosti_oned the use of value o:l' appraisal given us when this did not seem to hold in this case. Jessen respondod that we are required by Law to use appraisal, and we must advise owner about the need to appraise, then we negotiate. He added that r l Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Page Four Natural Resources Commission .approved June 29, 1976 this appraisal was 1.4 months old. Middleton added that our only other choice is condemnation, and that would be even more expensive. Choiniere felt we should have reasons to justify exceeding appraisal. Jessen said the reasons would be that 1. appraisal is out dated. 2. In this case, : r on the Guide Plan, this land is shown as being used for multiple dwellings, and that makes it mare valuable. He added that he talked with appraiser, who did feel this was a fair price. MOTION: Choiniere moved to accept recommendation on proposed purchase of Michael Zylka property at Staring Lal:e, as outlined in Memo of June 24, 1976, r including the statement that the appraiser has been contacted and does find the purchase price to be in the acceptable range, the monies for purchase be identified. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. 3. Forestry Program Jessen spoke to the large amount of calls that have been coming in for inspection R and advice, and the part-time forester has been unanable to answer all of the calls. fie added that they have added a second man, as per Council Motion, and the man who they have now will. only be able to continue on a 30 hr. per week basis. He said they expect about 500-700 diseased trees to be pinpointed. He added that they are continuing to haul trees away 2.2 days a week, whereas it used to be 1 day a week. N Discussion on preventative treatment took place, with Jessen stating that they are considering the possibility of buying some of the treatment units and _loaning them out to citizens, who would only have to pay for the amount of chemical they used. No action required. L,.. 1-1unicinal Liquor Store Jessen spoke to the discussion of a municipal liquor store by the Council and their request for specified costs. Ile said they referred the matter to the Planning; Commission and PR & NR Commission. Kingrey asked whether there was any question as to how profits are to be used? Jossen responded that the Council had accepted the recommendation in concept that profits be used for park and recreation. Erickson felt that it would help to publicize what the profits from municipal C liquor would be used for. ILTIONs King rey moved re-affirmation of the official action of 1971 by the Council., regarding the use of municipal. liquor store profits for betterment of the park system. Choiniere seconded, motion carried unanimously. 5. firearms Ordinance Jessen spoke to the draft of the revised Ordinance drawn up by Keith Simons from the City Attorneyts office, which was the result of meetings of the sub-committee consisting* of Choiniere, Anderson, Public Safety representatives, and himself. r. Minutes - Parks, Roc. and Page Five Natural Resources Commission approved June 29, 1976 Kingrey questioned the addition of b.b. guns and sling shots to the definition of deadly weapons, and was opposed to it. Jessen said the Attorney had ` changed some of the definitions. MOTION: Choiniere moved to postpone the matter to the next meeting, because there is too much here. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. i 6. 1977 LAWCON Grant Application E, Jessen spoke to preliminary list of potential projects as recommended for 1977 LAWCON Grant Application, stating that based on Metro Council priorities he felt that the Bran property at Bryant Lake, Miller Bros. property at l Kitchell Lake, and Kocher/Deaver property along Purgatory Creek would have bast F potential for funding for acquisition, in that order. He explained that $100,000 is tabulated in a current unencumbered fund balance in Park Bond bind, and this money is available for matching funds for any LAWCON or LCM Funding. He, continued t that the State law provider that local units of government may levy taxes outside of levy limitations to match grants received from Federal and State fund sources, and if this option were selected, Eden Prairie would then have opportunity to allocate the 0100,000 park fund balance for some other purpose. hiOTIGN: Choiniere moved to recommend to the Council that 1977 LAWCON Grant y Application be made for $100,000 for one or all of the following: Brea property at Bryant Lake, filler Bros. property at Iditchell Lake, and Kucher/Deaver proper- 9 ties along Purgatory Creek; development of Round Lake; without regard to priority. ° 'l . Middleton seconded, motion carried. unanimously. 7. Crosstown Highway Extension Jessen requested Mr. Ullstad, City Manager, to make presentation in the absence ` of Mr. Putnam, Planning Director. _Ulstad spoke to the Staff Report, informing tl,o Commission that Hennei,in County has submitted the Crosstown layout for approval. He said the Planning Commission has reviewed the question on three occasions, with final approval of Staff Report Alternative A. Ulstad gave back- ground information on -the layout, and said if access is provided on Beach Road, it would change land use and would not provide good continuity. Y i p, Funding was discussed, with Ulstad explaining that we have to go through the County, for any additions have to be completed before the highway is completed. #° lingrey felt that since U.S. 494 created that intersection, they should assume some of the responsibility to carry that traffic. U15tad . said it was only be- callse the Jrosstown is there, and that if Eden Prairie had been represented be- fore it was finished, we could have asked the Federal Government to create this crossing. kY Jessen coi:Jnented that the Staff felt the overpass idea is the best and safest for continuity and bikoway/hikeway purposes. A road running through Bryant Lake I'ar]c nncl cannoctinc* with Roarland Rond was discussed as a way of breaking the isolation of V o ability of the residents to use Bryant Lake, as well as rosi- dents of Bryant Lake would be better able to utilize community and school dis- trict resources. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Page Six Natural Resources Commission 'tapproved June 29, 1976 \ 7. Crosstown Hiahwa.y tension Co t!d,Z MOTION: Upton moved that ire recommend first of the Alternatives of the Staff Report. Alt. A-62, on the basis it would better serve the people of Eden Prairie with safe and accessible access to Bryant Lake Park. Ilel.mer seconded, motion carried unanimously. n 8. Development Proposals C. CNR Jos^en spoke to the revised plan submitted for that land, which in their opinion is less detrimental to the land than the previous plan. Ullstad gave background information on the proposal and explained the changes made in the revised plan, which basically reduced the dealerships from four to two, reducing encroachment to Smetana 'Lake, and land access was reduced from 200 ft. to ultimately 75 ft. of right-of-way, with the possibility of 50 ft. He spoke to the City'sresponsibility far securing the right-of-way for ramp accesses, and he added that extensive grading has to occur in the western corner. Ulstad . turned over the floor to Mr. Richard Putnam, Planning Director, for questions. Choiniere was concerned about the trees on the east end. Jes3en res- ponded that they will be saved.. Upton inquired whether two ponds would be enough. Putnam answered that from the engineering work done, the Watershed District and Barr engineers � feel two ponds are enough. Middleton asked anout the display plan. Putnam answered that they are suggesting display centers be set up in an attractive way, referring to the manner in which cars are displayed in television commercials and specifically to a car dealership in an out of state city, which was very successful in this'attempt. } i Upton asked where remaining cars would be. Putnam responded that they would be around the back, essentially the same as in Brauer plan. Choiniere questioned why the Commission was looking at this. Ul:stad responded that in order for land to develop, it has to have some proposal. z Ile said if that doesn't work out, they will come back with another proposal. Putnam stressed the need to explore the idea whether these sites are suit- r 6 nble for large scale user, and if the auto dealership is appropriate or how do ire ?cake it appropriate. He felt the City has to e-stablish some standards. Choiniere asked whether this land could nupport a high density high rise use, as was proposed in the past. Putnmm answered that was in the 1968-70 era, but that presently there is no market for high rise use. Minutes - Parks, Recreation Page Seven and Natural Resources Com. :approved J7ine 29, 1976 c. CNR C(_)AT2D Kingrey commented that we should be looking at approval of a commercial use of this property, rather than as a car dealership. There seemed to be a question as to whether this was a situation where re-zoning from industrial to commercial was- the issue. Ullstad said we are taking the original proposal and attempting to soften it and see if it makes any more sense, at the CouncillIs request. Erickson stated that the Commission should react to the proposed revised plan and this is what the action should be on. 140TIUN: Middleton moved to deny approval of the revised Staff plan for the Condon Naegle conunercial office site development. Helmer seconded, motion carried unanimously. ,. Kingrey requested when the Staff brings back another plan, Brauer and Associates should make presentation, rather than the Staff. Choiniere commented that as we get more information that has not been available to us, we are put in a better position to make decisions that frill benefit the community, referring to the bind in which the City finds Citself because of the necessity of acquiring the right-of-way for the access ramps. a. Neill Lake Anartment9 b. Last-West Parkway Apartments Jessen spoke to application of park fee, and said the Preserve has pro- vided 22 acres for park site, and that a fee would be a duplication. MUTIO14: Upton moved to approve the Neill Lake and Last-West Parkway development complex. Helmer seconded, motion carried unanimously. ° VI. OLD BUSII•IESS A. COIIMIi8s!on C:o�l Postponed. r' B. Ituchex- and Deaver Pro ortioq s Postponed. "• 0:11?ittQ...Improvement Progg 2 Syinzfiin!- Pool Jessen spoke to July 20 Council meeting, with request for input re- garding Joint venture of swimming, pool with the school district. Kingrey expressed his opinion that this should not be part of the referen- dum if we want an affirmative vote. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Page Eight Natural Resources Commission -approved June 29, 1976 FA I•liddleton commented that the School Board has no firm stand on this issue. Erickson left the meeting at 11:10 PIA. 140TION: Upton moved to nominate Choiniere as Chairman for remainder of the meeting. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. Middleton said the nuestion was whether the City wanted to go above and beyond Q$800,000. She said they are considering building; a school instructional tank for that price strictly for school use, and if you want to go beyond the $300,000 for f" community use, we will need additional funding. h Jessen said the Council asked whether we should get involved with the school in a joint pool for additional. capital expense and should the City get into the position where we maintain and operate after school hours, levying fees. He said the school district cannot levy fees by Law. r Upton asked whether it would have a separate vote? Jessen said the City would have to generate its own money. and wort: together with the school district for the best way to go. E r: MOTION: Kingrey moved that we recommend to the Council that we do not involve ' ourselves in a joint venture for a pool. Upton seconded for purposes of discussion. The motion was defeated by a vote of 2-2-1 Kingrey - ave Upton - nay Choiniere- aye Middleton -- nay Helmer - abstain 1. Iielmer requested the addition of comment to specify that Notion refers to:t'at this time". Kingrey stressed that he did not want to indicate that he was against a pool, but he did not feel that this was the time, and we have to consider total outlay of what people in Eden Prairie can take. He suggested when we review the situation and the indication for a pool is there, we take a second look. Upton asked whether the school bond referendum would be a two-part question, and added that slie feels this is the only way the community of E.P. will ever see a pool in their city. Middleton questioned whether a park referendum will be easier to pass further down the line. She expressed her opinion that she feels this is the only way we can seal a bond referendiun by including a pool and that this is the only thing that F will sell it. Choiniere said he was definitely in favor of pools in the school and feels it is one of the best investments we could make; but from a community joint venture, he sal,* very little use for other purposes besides school use. He spoke to the lack of use of the school pools in I,linnetonka and Hopkins. He added that a method for runninc a joint referendum needed to be devised. Middleton responded to Choiniere's statement about lack of family use of the pools in '.iopkins ,and llinnetonka by pointing out that they were instructional tanks, for school use only. Jesson said 1976 iiiny not be the right time for this joint venture, community use of -the school is not going to be made because of the pool, and referred to suggested community center, which must include more uses and the pool would be the first step of about ton. Minutes - Park, Rec. and Page Nine Natural Resources Commission approved June 29, 1976 C VII. NEW BUSINESS C. Fireworks - E.P. Center. Jessen spoke to the possibility of the E.P. Center withdrawing fireworks offer, because of not enough activity taking place there. Conmission members agreed that the $250 donated by the City toward the celebration of the Fourth, could also be used toward the fireworks if necessary. B. Round Lake Park - questions by Kinarey Kingrey spoke to the water fountain not working and recently planted trees that needed watering. He asked whether some direction from the Corn:nission would help to get some of these things taken care of. Jessen responded that the fountain was now repaired, and wood chips would be put around the trees to help retain moisture. 5 A. 1977 Pror-,ram_Budget Jessen said we are in budget process again, with action scheduled for Aug. 2.. He added that July 5 is an official holiday, so our next meeting will be scheduled for July 19. VIII. ADJOURIMUT Kingrey moved to adjourn at 11:50 P.M.. Middleton seconded, motion carried unanimously. Submitted by, Donna Stanley Recording Secretary C,,