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Parks and Recreation - 11/17/1975 i 1975 NOVEMBER 3, 17 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, November 3, 1975 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Brian Mikkelson, Elizabeth Tracy, Steve Fifield, Ex-Offic io COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services I. ROLL CALL_ II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 20, 1975 REGULAR MEETING IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS NONE V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Report of Commissioners 1. 2. B. Reports of Staff 1. Lower Minnesota River Wildlife and Recreation Area. 2. Purgatory Creek open Space Corridor Study. 3. Eden Prairie Stables -- Status Report 4. Development Proposals a. Condon-Naegele Realty Co.-Don Brauer will present plan,_ b. Maple Leaf Acres (staff report attached c. Cat-nes/rancien Lund Division (staff report attached with map). Parks, Recreation & Natural - 2 - Mon. ,11/3/75 Resources Commission C 4. Development Proposals (continued) d. Mitchell Lake PUD - (Staff report previously distributed, attached are: Planning Commission action and composite staff report.) VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Outline for Citizen Input into Planning a Bond Issue Proposal for Recreational Improvements B. Topview Area Mini-Park. VII. NEW BUSINESS VIII. ADTOURNMENT. r approved M I N U T E S PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NO'rJ'�iBER 3, 1975 7:30 P14 CITY HALL COI-VISSION ME0ERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, ^. William Garens, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton., ' . Jerry Kingrey, and Brian Mikkelson COId-tCSSION IM-MERS ABSENTt Elizabeth Tracy, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio STAFF I•0>1BM, PRESMIT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Tom Bartel, E.P. News, Lynne Forster, Jerry Miller, 1•Ially Ball, Bette Anderson, Tom Gilmore, and Ed Schuck The meeting was called to order at 7:30 PM by Chairman Erickson. II. APPROVA?, OF AGENDA 4 Erickson requested adding under IV. A. Dorothy Bennett's Letter of Resignation._ iT. MENUTES OF TH1; OCTO11ER 20,, 1975 REGULAR Iff.T;TI:IG Page L!wo, para. 6, line 3, Delete °for", Add "of"; line 4, Delete °will, Add "may". Page Five, para. 3, line 3, Add "comma" after "plan"; Delete "was", Add "may be". Page Five, para. 4, line 2, Delete "quantitative", Add "subjective". Page Five, para. 5, line 1, Delete "tremendous", Add "good"; line 3, Delete "they", Add "the Scott County Board of Commissioners and representatives of the City Council for the City of Shakopee'. Pane Five, last para. line 2, Delete "Congress", Add "and Federal Agencies". Pago Seven, para. 4, lino 1, Delete "receive report on", Add "direct the Staff to study"; line 2, Delete "from the Staff". Garens roved to approve the minutes of Ortober 20, 1975 regular meeting as corrected. Kingrey seconded, motion carried, with Choiniere, Helmer, and Upton ' abstaining because of absence. IV. PETITIONS, nYMMSTS AM) CCI•:IIU'Ill 10ATTONS A. Letter of Rcsinnat�ion from School Brnrd recei-,red by Dorothy Bennett Chairman Erickson rend letter from Dorothy Bennett, which was received and filed. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and .,,approved November 39 1975 Natural Resources Com. Page Two rl, OLD BUSINESS B. Topview Area Mini-Park Jessen recalled first meeting in October when he received communication. from Mr. Ball, who advised that lie had some interest shown from prospective buyers and wanted to know the City's intention regarding the neighborhood plan and whether there was interest to pursue this further. At the Commission's direction, we contacted some identified neighborhood organizers, and they are here tonight to talk to us on this matter. Mr. Ball, developer for Topview Acres, informed the Commission that he had just a few lots left and could not hold them open nuch longer until he knows what is happening. lie added that he has been holding on to the lots for a year. Helmer asked, as a review, what the asking price was for the 5 lots. Ball answered that the price was 0201400 for the lots, with assessments of ;73,600 for each lot.on additional liability for sewer and water. Upton asked the people present from Topview whether they felt that 5 lots were needed. Bette Anderson, 7336 Topview Rd., responded that they were looking for enough space for at least one ball dianond, because we are gett- ing to the point where there is no more space for the children to play. She added that there are about 70 homes, with a lot of children of`an-"ages. -sbe felt the City should make the judgement of how many lots would be needed. Kingrey commented that we are looking at ,�50,000, including assessments and development costs, and asked Jessen for recommendations on financing. Alternatives for financing were discussed: including option from Mr. Ball- established in good faith; acceptance of a contract-which Ball said he could consider after talking it over with his partner; and consideration of dedicated NSP area, which was ruled out because it was deeded for wildlife purposes and was difficult to get at and work with. Choiniere inquired about original requirements for development for neighbor- hood facilities. Jessen responded that to his knowledge, there were no re- quirements placed 10 yrs. or so ago. He added that this neighborhood was far removed from all other neighborhood facilities and is also one of the more crucial areas. Mr. Tom Gilmore, 12651 Gerald Dr., said the last discussions he was aware of tool: place last Fall, regarding flooding vacnnt lot for skating. He was concerned about some of the other questions such as,liability,and where the .Little children can go when hockey is allowed, etc.. E Jessen explained that the mini-rink was for free skating only, and it was the rosron.s1bil.ity of tho neighborhood to supervise the area. He added that on the question of liability, the City was covered to handle this. C - - r _ Minutes - Parks, Rec. and r approved Page Three Natural Resources Com. November 3s 1975 B. Topview Area 1,1ini-Park (Cont'd_ XL% Ed Schuck, 7286 Topview Rd., said that the general concensus was that they were concerned with open lots as a ballfied, and that there is no room for the 8-13 yr. olds. He added that most of them have play equip- ment in their back yards for the younger children. Erickson stressed that the program being discussed here tonight was more than the mini-rink situation that took place in many areas of the City last winter. Schuck added that Topview is developed, and this is about the last site and their last opportunity to do something in their area. He said the access to Forest Hills is very poor and Co. Rd. 60 is very bad. Upton was concerned with spending 050,000 in one area, if the bond issue passed. She felt that there are at least 7 other areas in the City, and this would be- a/ 'of land acquisition money we would be getting. large share Garens suggested the possibility of securing "money in lieu of land" from the two Planned Unit Developments to the Nest and North. Jessen res- ponded that we could generate some money from this, but not enough. Anderson asked about the problems involved with the undeveloped land to ( the Nest, across Co. Rd. 60. Jessen said there is no access, and the 'A hole l concept as to what land use is going to occur is not certain. He felt there would probably have to be a mini-park in that area in the future. MOTION hingrey moved to approve acquisition and development in concept as presented tonight) and to direct Staff to investigate possible financial alternatives to be presented at the earliest possible time for further consideration. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. Garons commented that in the last 6-8 yrs., it has been the policy to ask the developer to contribute something. Ile .said it seems it will be up to the people to form a Homeowner Association to contribute toward this. Anderson said that the people have the perrogative to assess themselves for that park area, but feels the City should contribute some money. Bette Anderson asked whether 100% approval was needed in order to levy assess- ments. Jessen answered that the City can finance park projects through levy- ing assessments lri.thout 100;0' approval, but is a very unpopular method. Jerry Miller, 7191 Topview Rd., added his comments that Topview is 90% develop- ed, with6 -70 children which constitutes a need, but does not feel a Home- owner's Assoc. should pick up the whole °tab". j Choiniore asked Miller how he felt about acquisition of more'lopen space". �._ Idiller responded that lie was for it, because -there are two levels oT interest- one is for the children and one is for the adults. Minutes - Parks, Roc. and , approved Page Four, Natural Resources Com. November 3, 1975 B. Topview Area Mini-Park (Conttd) Ball agreed to wait a reasonable length of time for further action. Kingrey was concerned about the neighborhood meetings and the importance of receiving the input from these meetings. The Topview residents present seemed to feel that it would be difficult to get a concensus because of the varying types of people living there-some with no children, some with grown children, etc., and thought it would boil dorm to a hard core group that would come back with some kind of input and also would provide the support. V. RE00I•1SIZATIObS AND REPORTS A. Report of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 1. Lower Minnesota River Wildlife and Recreation Area Jessen referred to memo of. October 31, 1975, regarding status of Minn. River Valley National ..ildlife and Recreation Area. lie commented on the two amencbments to Senator Idondalets Bill, which stated generally that the wildlife and recreation area will not interfere with barge traffic on the river, and that it will not restrict the building of future bridges. He added that representatives from U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service advised him that the facilities, services, and areas included in the plan are essentially as they were when the presentation was made to Eden Prairie in August. Anderson inquired about the snowmobile proposal that the Coranission had approved. Jessen responded that the proposal was rejected by the City Council. There was discussion of snowmobiles as part of the State Trail System; Anderson asked whether it was the official stand of Eden Prairie for no snowrobi,les in the wildlife area. Penzel referred to the letter of October 28, 1975, sent to Senator Humphrey and to each member of the Minnesota Congressional Delegation, containing a request to prohibit the use of snoi-nnobiles, but if they are permitted-it should be of a limited use only after a thorough study is made of the impact upon wild- life in this area. Anderson was concerned whether there was any plan worked out for community use of this land fcr passive recreation use. Jessen said there was no detailed plan yet. Fenzel suggested the Commission be prnnnnt at the briefing scheduled for November 10 'with Senator,.`Walter Mondal.e and Senator WeDA911 Ford of Kentuoky. Mnutes - Parks, Rec. and approved Page Five Natural Resources Com. November 3, 1975 T. Lower Minn. River 'Ii7dlife and Recreation Area (Cont'd)_ the Oxboro Community Library in Bloomington. Jessen offered more de- tailed information for interested persons. Tom Bartell, of Eden Prairie News, asked what the plan involved. Jessen briefly outlined. the plan, and offered pore detailed information if he desired it. No Action Required. 2. Purgatory Creel Onen Space Corridor Study Jessen informed the Commission that the public hearing was being; recon- sidered because the Planning Commission had not reviewed the report, and i the probable date for re-scheduled meeting would be after the first of the year. IIe added that before any action is taken by the Commission, we should have a full. presentation by 11r. Brauer. Anderson suggested a special meeting, because the Agendas have been so full. Jessen responded that depending on the length of Agenda, a special meeting could be scheduled if there wasn't tune to cover it. Choiniere, referring to memo of October 31, 1975, asked whether this was Jessen's opinion. Jessen responded that he was asked to give a Staff Report, and the memo of October 31 was merely a recollection of the study and his own opinion, and that the Commission has not taken a stand on the issue. Choiniere requested information that would contain opinions of Coiaraission members, even if it has not been acted upon, for feedback purposes. No Action Required. 3 Eden Prairie Stables - Status Report Jessen said the books were reviewed by John Frane, City Finance Director, and himself, and they have shown a steady increase of revenue. The ioanagers believe the lesson business will grow rapidly since they are now established. They are well :ntisfied with their part in the business. Choiniere questioned the demolition cost. Jessen said that originally they had planned to got someone to tear down the old buildings, but no one e,c- pressed nny interest. They then considered burning; them down, but consider- ing the clean-up afterward and the potential danger to the otherbuildings, it was decided it wasn't worth the hassle. Jessen continued thnt we have set up a iaon.thl.y reporting system with then, which will provide us with a report on revenue and expenditures that we are concerned with, i.neltidiriff the selling of equipment. t Upton a:,l:ed who dictates what the City or Owner is responsible: for. Jessen answered that the Contract specifies this information. I r Minutes - Park, Rae. and Page Sias Natural Resources Com. Approved November 3, 1975 /�. Dgyelopment Proposals a. Condo�Naegele Realty Co. - P]-`esentation by Don Brauer Mr. Brauer presented the proposal, which included about 165 acres lying along Highways 169 and 494 to the Fast to Washington Ave. He said less than 65 acres are outside of the flood plain. They have requested permission from the Watershed District to build a road which would encroach 17% of the site. He continued that the woods were of high quality and were to be dedicated for open space, with the rest of the flood plain left rural. He added that if an environmental impact statement was required, the City would have to prepare this. They feel that since this is accessible from the freeways, it is a very sale- able piece of property. The plan is for four automobile dealerships, with access from the back and showrooms on the highway level. Anderson asked if this were the only alternative. Brauer said it is the only marketable use we oan see for this now. They were trying to interest corporate headquarters such as the P111.sbar7 Co., which would occupy the entire site, but these people can name their prioe and place. Choiniere was concerned that the aesthetic value of saving Anderson Lakes would only be a farce if this ,kind of use came about. Brauer responded that Eden Prairie has many more amenities than the City can afford. Anderson expressed his opinion that he did not like the bright lights, flags, etc. that would go along with this kind of plan, and he did not feel that it was a desirable use. Penzel cautioned the Commission regarding its' responsibility and any lo- tion which might infringe on the Planning Commission's responsibility. Anderson responded that he felt environmental conoerns were part of the PR and NR Commission's responsibility, such as car dealerships' impact on the environment. Brauer commented that the choice is not dealerships eta., but grading. He said we have shown it the only way it can be developed-there is no alternate way. MOTION Kingrey moved to refer Condon•-Naegele Realty Co. development proposal to the Staff to make analysis and recommendation. Upton seoonded, motion carried unanimously. b. Maple Leaf Acres Proposal was tabled upon agreement of Commission members because of the absence of Rusty Irvine, the developer, who would make the presentation. ( c. Carnes/Taman Land Division Jessen said the proposal consisted of a division of land to establish five lots out of what is presently two. He said land division is relatively simple, but will require re-zoning. As per Staff Report of Ootober 20, I Minutes - Perks, Ree. and ;approved Page Seven Natural. Resources November 3, 1975 c. Carnes/Tangen Land Division (Cont1d)_ addition of the 5 acres to Bryant Lake Park would be beneficial but not essential. Jessen suggested that Metro Council funding could be considered. Upton was concerned with the neighbors' reactions. Penzel said there was agreement of all but •two. Ile added that according to Sorensen, who is a resident of that area, the neighbors are generally in favor of it. MOTION Upton moved to recommend "Alternate 011, approving the Carnes/Tangen Sub- division of Lots A-F with modifications, as stated in Staff Report of October 20, 1975. Helmer seconded, motion carried unanimously. d. Mitchell. Lake PUD Jessen requested a recommendation on this issue from the Commission. He j said conflicts have arisen on some points and it was felt that further consideration of the reconuaendation made at Planning Commission meeting of October 28 was required. Penzel felt it would be appropriate for the people from Penton to make a presentation. Kingrey asked how the mini-park issue looked at •this point. Jessen respond- ed that he felt it was a sizeable area and very adequate for a mini-park site. b10TION Choiniere moved to defer Mitchell Lake PUD proposal to a later date. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. MOTION Penzel moved that the Staff be instructed to inform the Commission when the Planning Commission has taken action. .Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. VI. OLD BUSDTLSS A. Outline .for Citizen Innut into Planning a Bond Issue Pr.onosal for Recreational Improvements Jessen, said he had some dates on whon the various clubs met. IIe suggested that Church groups would also be appropriate. Penzel left meeting tit 10:25 11-1. Upton requested that the IIillcrest/Alpine neighborhood be added to the list, as they have an excellent voting record and are interested in the issues. Choiniere: favored going back •to the public meetings, because,he felt they had a responsibility •to open the meetings to everyone. l Anderson commented that in comparing the two meetings hold at the schools and the recent coffee party in the Topviow area, the attendance in the home was much greater. Minutes - Parks, Rec. and `' approved Page Eight Natural Resources November 3, 1975 A. Outline for. Citizen Innut Into Planning a Bond Issue Proposal for Recreationri7. Imnrovements Cont'd Jessen added that we need more input from the people before the package can be put together, referring to the Mayor's recommendation of going to the neighborhoods. Kingrey asked about any input from the School Board. Jessen responded that they have been receiving Idinutes the past two to three months, but they have not dealt with 'capital improvements", therefore he has not brought them up. Ile added that there is a steering committee set up for studying recreational facilities, according; to Dr. Fallon. Jessen said he would try to come back with some information on what the steering committees have found out for the next meeting. Upton suggested that at the next meeting, the Commissioners should come with their ideas or a brief outline of what they feel they want in a bond issue written out. Erickson received Upton's suggestion and said it would be put on the next Agenda under New Business. Anderson was concerned with whether there was enough time. I-Ie felt they should go back to the point t•rhere they, all agreed and start from there. but one Choiniere commented that he felt they had allowed themselves to be pressured Into adding other, than : neighborhood facilities. VII. NNE .d BUSINESS None VIII. ADJOURI.11- 'IT Helmer moved to adjourn at 10:4.0 Pm. Garens seconded, motion carried.. Submitted by, Donna Stanley Recording Secretary AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, November 17, 1975 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Brian Mikkelson, Elizabeth Tracy, Steve Fifield, Ex.-Officio I ' COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Approx.Time ro to Begin Item 7:30 PM I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 3 , 1975 MEETING_ IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Communication from Chamber of Commerce (11/13/75) V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS 7:40 PM A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Blacklock Recognition Dinner - Erickson 2. B. Reports of Staff 7:45 PM 1. Purgatory Creek Open Space Corridor Study Presentation by Don Brauer. 8:10 PM 2. Lower Minnesota River Wildlife and Recreation Area. 3. Development Proposals C 8:15 PM a. Maple Leaf Acres 8:3 0 PM b. Mitchell Lake PUD lei Parks, Recreation & Natural - 2 - Mon. ,11/17/75 Resources Commission i Approx.Time to Begin Item `JI. OLD BUSINESS VII. NEW BUSINESS 8:45 PM A. Discussion of Commissioners Individual Priorities for Recreational Improvements i 9:30 PM VIII. ADJOURNMENT. .:a s i i a 1 approved HIHUT'ES PIMK39 RF,CPMA`ITION ARD VA-MUiL 1'.L--,OURCLS COMIESSION yow),9Y, XiOVIIMER 17, 1975 7a30 PM CITY FT,F.Li, C01•MESSION rMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Harvin Erickson, Mary Uptran, t.lol.f'gang Penzel, Jerry Kingray, 1dillicam Garens, Richard 10derson, Paul Choiniere, Francis Helmer, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COYMSSION LaINBOI S ABSPNTs I3.rien MW-celson, Elizabeth Tracy Srl1b bx[:tJb)�rt,� PPs Si�ilrY Harty Jessen9 Director of C=Mnmity ,Sbi-vices 01pliErtS PsJ»3EYtTs Tom Bartel, a`.P. idews, Don Braner., Brauer Arsoc,y Loren and Jonanne Irvina, and Jcamen Hill.. Pemtom, Ina, The rooting --ms cra,11od to order at 7130 PM by Chairman Erickson. 9:`fao ranti.on was rmde- to approve Agenda and wtas 9econdod. Perincl a-mended motion by x'c-r_uostin._ ac'.aiticn of V.A. 2.-2or.nci?. Cc on r 1J!tt - Cc�r t2i,_.sio . 14o loll waa vot(:CS. on and c,xr'riad uxianiL10'ayly. zg rrx page tuc,, para. 3, seateiice 2; Add after Plot" non additional alabi.lity for sewer and water." Prsg(z; tt,a, para* /i, sexa'tence 7; Add "of" after "children". Page ithrea, para. 4, sentence 2; Delete n1/311 v Add ssa largo sharatt. 1'ciry, four, last para; Change to read t9Senator Walter Mondsle of Xinnesota and. Se•ncitor 1Fendell lord of Kentucky". Page :?9.,w, para. 4:. sentonco 1; Change to read "Penzcl cautioned the Ccrknii.sniot, ro arCLi.n- :i•tat x-c)upoixsibitpr and any action which M:1[:',t infringe on the Pl*xMinF; C0111M.'03fli.on'ti rn.-.ponuibilfty pogo eit;Yit, para. 5, sentence 2; Insert "but ona" after "All", Pa. :+ o4e-1 .-, .6; Delete s'In tho ixnploir.en•tati.on o£", add "into adding other Upton to rk,,prOve E snt,tos )f Navcanber 3, 197 nsoting as corrected. Garens f.{+S:.Va7dCU�y notion carried. Minutes - Parks, Roc. and November 17, 1975 Natural Resources Com. iapproved Page Two IV. PETITIOTIS,, REMOTS. MID 001O PTICATIOTTS A. Corm n.,cat' n from chamber of. Commerce (11/13/75) Carons, moved to request that Chairman Erickson respond to the communication from the Chamber of Commerce dated 11./13/75, informing them they will be contaote3d shortly concerning requested information. Upton seconded, motion carried unsniinously. ISingrey suggested adding that we appreciate their indication of interest: _," V. RECOT•.cLrU TDlbTTOTvS ATTD REPORTS A. nonor±.9 of Commissioners 1. Pjacklock R.eco gnitioti Dinner Erickson Chairman Erickson informed the Commission mombers of the Blueklock Recog- nition Evening to be held at the Voc-Tech School on Fridays Dec. 12. ' 2. Council_Cor?municatioq fie the PR & NR Comali.sU:Olj Pcnzal reported to the Commisaion that tho Council wss concerned vrlth the fi.c�.lit,y o£ news reports concerning the Bond issuep cad that they have requested •i,hat the Conmission's interests such asr methods of approach, how information would be collected, dissemination of information for im- provemonts in the coLmranity, possibilities being considered for instruc- tion and tining, be given to the Council. He added an expression of concern by the Council regarding initial authority by *which the Commission might be planning to proceed in developing the information for the future rofereadum. The communication was received by Chairman Erickson. B, R_'M LLR_of_ Staff. 1. 1'tirg�i Orr C_ORIC Ono n^l,Ice Corr_.ids ur&y 1'ror; 11tF]��t011�h L�On Li Luc+r. 11r. Don Brauer, of Brauer and Assoc., highlighted the Study and its objec- -Lives. lie explained the corridor concept, consisting of spaco delineating 100 year i'lood space, conservancy zone, and transition :,one, which would be manaryed for public or private uses. He added that the Study would be a guidelino by which decisions could be made. Brauer opcmed the floor for questions. Upton asked what chn,nf,ea were made since the mooting held at Prairie View Elailontar4. Jesnen responded that basically the map and r6OOmmendatt.o,.a are the same. Minutes: -. Parks, Rec. and ldatttr2l RgsouresSs Cora. Page Three "Approved November 17, 1975 1. f'tarrvra$o�^v _Creek Onan SnacO Corridor Studv (COnttd) Choiniere asked the reason for the presentation. Jessen the purpose was to have a professional presentatio responded that n, with opportunity to ask questions by the COMmissiop, in order to form a Commission position. Anderson referred to 1968 Guide Plan which indicated that Purgatory Creek should be a linear park. Brauer agreed that it is probably the most unique natural resource the City hsan. He added that one of the most Unusual things about Anderson Lake is the corridor, and that without it Anderson Lake would lose a lot of its gild life. He felt it will be a resource that will be more valuable to more people. Brauer responded to questions as to how he would preserve the area. He auggehted getting a conservancy zone in .foe ownership, flood plain by fee title„ and the use of scenic and. usage easements appropriated at times. Helmcr was concerned with cost estimate. Brauer said land acquisition would be about 6500,000. He felt that developers would want to contribute that part of their site included in the conservancy. zone. He added that a compatible use Would be a golf course. There was dieeussion about the impact of road crossings on the creek corridor. Brauer stressed that it was very important to adopt a plait, because if the city did heave ra plan, the State or County would respect the plan in designing roads that cross the Creek. Helmer questioned the value put on the land of $1,000 per acre. Jessen res— ponded that this estimate is for flood plain land. Jessen also added that he felt if the plan is adopted the City will receive much of the land through I dedication, especially the flood plain land. The I'lood plain ordinance controls land uses in the flood plain but does not prohibit development. The possibility of making use of the "critical areas" law was discussed. Brauer said the Law was not intended for local use, but for areas such as the Lower St. Croix River and Diissiswippi River corridor through the Ms tiOpolitan area. Choirioro questioned Brauer on the recommendation for a golf course in the NW seater. Bra ter responded that when the M•J sector was studied, a t naturalis consul.tsant was used, and he suggested a wildlife area or more active use. in added bait Edon Prairie has two placed arhore a golf course could be compatible— the 1,111 center, triaich is morn than adequate, and the NW sector, which would have less of.wct on the I food plain. Upton commentod that residents in that Brea are not in favor of a golf course in that area, £smarter raid tl)c;; hrad left it open and that the Commission should resenre 'that decision, whether it rAlould be wildlife area or-golf oourse. r i Minutoo - Parlcs, Roe. and Page .Four Natural Reaourceu Com. - pproved Novembor 17, 1975 �F Purf< .tort* C rink Open Sp pCordor StudY • I MOTTON Andaraon noved to reaown►end to the Council the adoption of the Brauer Purgatory ` Greek Sttady. G aro a seconded. I • AT�CiIS�TON Cho: nle,re and Holy eer felt they were not, prepared to vote on the matter tonight and felt there should be a full. presentation. Anderson reforred to a previous meeting held at Prairie View Elementary at which a full presentation was made by John Tietz. Kingrey Fn?ggested adding to the motion that it was not intended to approve speci- fic land use or land acquisition, but the scope of the report. Garens withdrow his second on the motion, in view of the fact that the people who had not read the Study do so and bring it back at the next meeting. Anderson withdrew his motion. Fenzel suffgosted t:liat the Staff be instructed to include summarized version of flood plain ordinr.►ico f'or tho Cor As;ion members. fc; Lovc)r?'';.K:e^otE�RSA cr W3.l c1J_if.Ez r•i,ci Rncrc,.!itI.oa Are2 i Josscn nalmrtod on. meeting rattonded on October 10 at Gxboro Community Library in Bloorainr,,,ton. He said moat Mare in facr,r of the plan, with the exception of a fog: governn►ental. officials from Scott Coluity and f%ur•ther south, and that Senator lbndala said -that the City can regulate or restrict the "use of snowmobiles in this ' nrna. Kingroy quentionod the suggestion of. running State Trail on the mouth side of the river nr_d a:;!kod how those people felt about it. Jessen responded that the response was favt) able, and that in the State plan a few yearns ago, the south eida was de sir ru.-Aed as allw,�a^pone while+ thins side was restrictive. He added that they are looking for snowmobile usage for long term use. { ]Vo AcIvIon l3r�tai.t•r'.. a. Xr. Rusty Irv-1no promented srodifieations to his development proposal. He oxplaiiriod that the trunk c owur was laid 30' North of the easomes.at, and that all vor to taken from that trunk line and were a17_ taken outaide of the eaaorian'L•s. He added that tboy were proposing 3 acres to be rude into a parkp a 50' ensmnent along the Crook to Duck Lake Trail, and that 1.2 to 1.5 acres l to be filled of the flood plain. Minutes Parks, Rec. and Page Five Natural Resources Com. - +,approved November l7, 1975 i a. Ike Leaf . c. es (CQnttd) Holtner inquired how much of the year the area could be used for -recreation. Irvine responded that nine or 10 months and maybe -the whole year depending on the channel. He added that the problem area is about 3/4 of an acre. There was discussion as to the adequacy of the area as a neighborhood facility. Jossen said it definitely was not adequate for neighborhood facility, but vmuld work as a mini-park. MOTION Upton moved to recommend that the Staff study this further and bring it back to the Commission with their recommendations. Kingrey seconded, notion carried. DISCUSSION Unuerson referred to the Purgatory Creek Study in which the recommendation was to install structures for regulation of hater flow and control of the movement of rough fish in the area. He cot.�miented that this is the other recommendation for the use of the land for this area. Mrs. Joanne Irvine requested a copy of the Brauer Purgatory Greek Study, and ` cou nented t1viLt they had not been notified of the previous Mooting hold regard- ing -the Study. C_. b. MWtchol7. A PUD Jossen informed the Commission me_Tnbers that the 2 yr. time limit on the 10islandt,' rms the major difference from the Planning Commission's recommendation of a 6 non'th time Unlit. Mr. Jim Hill, of Pemtom Inc., briefly highlighted the Mitchell bake PUD pro- posal. Referring to the i'island", Mr. Hill said in order to figure the coat of the entire development,they have to know whether this win be purchased or not.and how much money will be allowed if it is purchased so that they Bari dotermine whether the project is feasible. He added that they would hope to ba able to atnrt construction by this ball. He said the other recommendations in the Staff report are workable and fney generally agreed with them. Kinnroy requested that Jossen outline tbo Staff recommendation for the proposal. Jossen referred to Memo of October 6, 1975 and briefly went through the seven modifications. Choin-tere inquired about tot lots for the townhouses. Bill .responded that they cane along vith the townhouses. Jossen added there were provisions for a 3-4 acre spncc, for a r_tini-park for the 7-10 yr. old age group, which could be used for unstructured play. C Holxner asked if thore wottld be tennis courts. Mill answered that the townhouses r i M mitco - Parks, Rec. and Page Six Natural Resources Com. {.approved November 17, 1975 b. M3tr. PUD (CoAt2A, would include tennis cottrts. i There was discussion on whether the mini-park could serve the Whole area. Anderson nuestioned whether any figures were available as to the possible wart,h of tbe, "island". Jessen answored that there were none at this time and that an appraiser would have to be brought in. Chol.niere a&ed whether local money would be involved in buying the 1°island". Josced said that this was not eloar at this time. He said the Watershed District could finance the acquisition, but the City would have to bay, back 504. Jessen said that the decision had to be made whether acquisition of this."islandf0 would be a good thing to inelude•:i.n our park system. Helmer asked whether there were any, other Staff r.eeoranendations. Jessen said it was opel.lod out in -the neighborhood facility stud., which calls for a mini- j park and -that South Mitchell Lake was reconmzended to be a site for a neighbor- hood facility. The question. was brought; up as to how many lots would be involved if the "island" were not purchased by the City. Bill responded that 15 Lots, with homes of $3.50,000 value on a minix= 1/4 of an acre were anticipated being built here. 140aON Choiniere moved to abandon park concept on tbo "island" for this project on the Mitchell Lake Pt7D. Upton seconded. DTCCU___r__SI0�1 � Anderc,on was opposed to dropping the idea -without investigating value and cost of aoquiring and possibilities of i`unding. He felt that once the land is developed you can novae get it back, and that we ;should oxplore every possibility. Kingrey fe7_'l• the 3-4 acre mini-park -would be inadequate for the amount of to-wtn- houo.os ar-d x:,:s7.t:tple dvollings propoced for t_ho area. Jessen said it would be for tinstruc•tured play, and there would also be the tot lots and tennis courts. He added that the "cash in liou" of land would be used for the Mitchell Lake Park site neighborhood facility. Upton inquired about the possibility of Lawcon funding. Jessen responded that it I.s generally available, for a resource area, but there has boon discussion for changing pryorit.y and criterea to providing for more active play space. He added that the City has roczA ved quite a bit of funding from Lawcon because our plaxis havo booki good, and he felt that we Mould research the possibility. r .ram Minr,tes — Parks, Rea. and Page Seven Nat'aral Resources Cow, ;r�';�tapproved November 17, 1975 VOTE The motion ended in a tie vote 3-3, with 2 abstentions. Choiniere "yap" Kingrey "naytt Upton "abstain" Erickson fly-ay" Garens "nay" Penzel "abstain" _Helmer "yaytt Anderson "nay" 7 140TTON Miig.!7ey moved to accept Staff recommendation of Oct. 6, 1975 of the 7 modifications, w3.th the oxecption of the part relative to the °island", and subsi.tute 6 months rather than 2 years for that part of the recommendation. Garens seconded. DISC'USSION Erickson asked whether the "Island" issue would come back to the Commission. J'essen said that if the Council accepts the recommendation, we will do the research as soon as possible and bring it back. Helmer inquired about the cost to the City. Jessen responded that appraisal mould be in the range of $300, aiid there would be Staff time involved in writing letters and solicitating responses. Choitniore felt it did r..ot fit in as a parts because of no access. Ki.ngroy agreed, but wanted more information before ruling it out. There was discussion regarding the wall known 14pl.a. parka and the lack of deterioration in the value of homes 5 to 6 blocks away and whether that kind of consideration res— ponded to the people here today. Upton called the question. VOTE Motion carried with a vote of 4,3,. with l abstention. Kingrey ttaye" Erickson ttnaytt Penzel "abstain" Garons "ayeu Helmer "nay-it Anderson ttaye" Choiniero "nay" Upton ttaye" NEW MTSTIMSS Anderson voiced his concern with the discovery of a beaver dram ripped up by the City crew in the I,urgatory Creek and Valley View Rd. area. V. k!?L T1 mTg:i1T Choinier© moved to adjourn at 10930 PId. Garens seconded, motion carried, CSubI��I t;ta�i by Donne Stanley, Recording Secretary