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Parks and Recreation - 08/25/1975
1975 AUGUST 45 111) 185 25 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE Mapproved / l 14 I N U T E S ( PARKS, TIECRT..ATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COI24ISSION Monday, August 4, 1975 7:30 PM, CITY HAM, C01•2,113SION 1-IM11BERS PRLSE IT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Ponzel, Francis Heliner, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, and Jerry Kingrey CO.,111IISSION 1•a-2-4BI•;RS ABSEINT: Brian Mikkelson., L'Lizabe•th Tracy, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio C01-1141SSION START 1.1-1MERS P"MISUIT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services OTIMRS PRES11,7f: Llaine Mellott and 1,1arialice I!'. Seal, Co-Chair- persons Lower 14inn. River Valley Cit:i mns Coin., Ed Crozier and '.Com Ibllrath, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Barry Johnson, Les Dlacklock, Margaret MacFarlane, Earlyn Sickmann, Lawrence Lindnor, Gene Moore, E. 11. Nei•ro, Dnrri.l Peterson, Richard J. l fisg;en,lli s.I?.lt. Fot.rl.er, Rosemary Dysinger, Dean R. Edstrcm, 1-1. Grupeutron, Ula-lly Iiustad, H. R. Parker, Bob Brown, and Itch:*card J. Pierce Chaiirkan Lrickrorj called the meeting to order at 7:35 PM- Erickson i.nforme.,d Coi:anission members of a special meeting of the Parks, Rec., and Nn.t. lios. Com. to be held on Aug. 11, 1975 at 7:00 F14 at Forest Hills Elem., for tho specific purpose of working; out the budget. Ile requested rnerbers to study ruiterictl. and rnrike deletions and additions where they felt it was necessary. V. OLD M191111•L'SS A. Pre•>cntn_ti.on b F eder.nl hish)6'.: Wi.lAl.ife Service - Lower I iinnc c ,n Hi.acr Va.11eey 'rtilc;l i. 'e Arca Ms. Elrtir_c L:ellott, forinerly with the Bloomington Natural. Resources Cominir.:sion, and now co-chairperson of Lower I•finn. River Valley Cit. Com., addres;;c-el tbo t;omission, gi.v:i.nl,r them bacIrground information on the presentation. She said tin, years ago they had met with residents, and they, torte-L•lior 1•r:Li,h U. 3. Ri h and Wildlife Service, developed a mal:i.stic and wnrkable pl;n to protect the 1•1inn. River Valley. Senators Mondale and I unnphroy havo introduccd legislation in the Senate proposing a wildlife r ol`nfyo in t}u, avc,a from Ft. Snelling •to Jordan, she added. 1•;r. Ed Crnzier, Burnsville, a member of •tliu planning, branch of the i1. S. Fi:;h o rld 11-11.1.dl.ife Service, &ve the film pro;ontation by the Federn]. 1-wildlife 1•]iusr Bement on the proposed rof'ugo. Minutes - Parks, Rec., and Page Two • Natural Resources Com. Approved August 4, 1975 A. Presentation by Federril. fish & Wildlife Service - Lot•rer Idinn. Area (Cont'd Crozier said the 6,600 acre area would involve four units: Chaska Lake, about /i.00 acres; Louisville Swamp, about 1,600 acres; t Grass Lako/Rice Lake, about 2,500 acres; and Long Meadow Lake, about 2,100 acres. Ile said the Long Meadow Lake unit, located in Bloomington between Ft. Snelling and Portland Ave., would be developed into a combina- tion adrn.i.ni.,tration and visitor center, with refuge interpretive and environnental education activities centered there. The other three units would each have a developed access point,and would include trails from the Mann. State Trail System, with observation points. Crozier added that the Ifinn. Trail System would. be used as a backbone of non-motorized traffic, and would he used for cross country skiing, biking, hiking, and etc.. He used Wood Lake Nature Center as a comparison. Crozier stressed that wild- lift management was the primary purpose, with public use secondary. He said the n1an for the l.finn. Valley National Wildlife Recreation Area shall include throe catagor:i.es: the Minn. Valley National Wildlife Refuge, to be acquired and managed by the U. S. Fish & Wildlife Service with funding; to be appropriated under the Land and dater Conservation aind Act; Public- naturo-.recreation areas •to be managed by State and/or regional County or municipal gov.; and privately-owned lands, that will remain undeveloped in a natural environment condition with public use subject to owner's wishes (through cusement compensation and protection). f Crozier opened the floor to questions. K:i.ngrey asked whether the proposed amusement park in Shakopee would be within the boundaries. Crozier aliswered negative. Anderson was concerned with provisions for policing and maintenance. Crozier responded that Federal and State law enforcement officers would work in coopera- tion with local police for that purpose. Mr. Ramsey Parker, 1054.2 B. Riverview Dr., inquired who would handle flood cont•,rol and who would pay for it. Ids. Mellott responded it would be handled in a natural way, not using a restrictive flow of writers. She added that according to a study conducted by Univ. of Minn. we have spent N05,500,00 for flood control, as a result of the tray we have been using the flood plain. She fol•t the t.nxpnyer would be saved that kind of elT-ense if the natural method of controlling; the water were used. Crozier added that a Corp^ of Lngincurs recoimnendod that these flood plains be acquir.rd and they felt the natural way of flood control was the most effec- tive and l.onn t exr)ensivo. He said funding for acquisition would not be paid for by the tnx-pzk.yers, but through royalties received from off-shore oil rofineries. The Wildlife Rel'ur-,o would be funded by the Land and Water Conservation Fund Act, but the other aspects ouid be paid for by the taxpayers. i r Minutes - Parks Rec. and Pago Three Natural Resources Corn. Approved August A., 1975 A. Presontation by federal_ di'isli t: Wildlife Service - Lower 1,'i.nn,. Area (Cont'd) Iirs. llclen Fowler., 1033.5 Riverviow Rd., commented that the eastemsection of Riverview Rd. was six feet under water during the flood of 1965. Crozier responded that this came about because of dyking at another point. Fowler commented that there won't be the flooding as in Savage and Burnsville. She felt it was the fault of the City Council of Burnsville to allow that aresa -to bo zoned for ind'ustr:i.al purposes, and stated she considered it the responsibility of tho -Eden Prairie City Council to protect its' residents from that type of happening;. She asked whether industry was responsible for flood damages. Crozier answered. thznt the citizens, not industry pays for it. He added that present landowners and future landowners could have a different Concept of what land is to be zoned for and would n:a.ke it known to their City Council, and there is no „unrantee that future landowners will feel -the same about allowing; industry in. Penzel., City. Council liason member of Corn., addressed himself to overall plan, stating that he was not sug—e,tang agreement or opposition to the concept. Ile said if the flood plain is not protected by acquisition and easement, construction taking; place does not affect only our community, but would e):tond i•tsel- to communities upstream. He co�mnented that if the area oast of 1;rs. Fowler were to be dyl:ed, it would affect us in B.P. as tax-payers. i C Choiniere cor:mx.n•ted that Senator 1•londale's Bill hid all of the positive as- pects, and as there -were two s .des to every story, he asked for the negative side of' the Bill. Crozier responded that there would be a tax loss, but there is a provision for some eouival.en-Cinonies to be returned to some local taxing units; in tho Long? Meadow unit:, there would be the impact of allowing; more peoplo, although it mould be controlled; and local Refuge management would be answerable -to U. S. Dept. of :Enterior, rather than E.P. lie added that there are several homes and farms in the flood plains that would have to be moved. Kingrey asked what policy was for existing agriculture. Crozier answered that we do keep some farm lands. Land is acquired for "Life use" and people con live there for the root of their lives, but only in some cases. lle added that if. 1•fondal.e's bill were to be enacted, this would be their authority, and they would not exercise "eminent domain" unless absolutely necessary. Crozier said that about 200 landowners wero involved in the Sherburn area, and that was narroi.,ed dorm: to 10 going; to court, with one or two :settling out of court. ; • i King;rey coi!nnontod that his main concorn would be that those• peoplo be allowed to remain there. Crozier raid thore are 21. ownerships in the flood plain area. Yr. Les 131ackl.ock, 9h20 Timber Trail, spoke .for the concept, saying; the flood f plaluis worn doing the ;job naturally and lie felt it was right and proper that t U. S. Tnoney be 1.1sod, E Cro:.ier snicl there are areri,; oil I;i.;;:�:i.;zc�ipY>i River where it was dyked and t drained, and the cost nnc3 opornt:i.on of the dykes was so great they had to let them goo. e Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Page Four ` Natural Resources Com. Approved August 4, 1975 A. I'resentnti.on by Federn•1 Fish & 111.7_dlife Service - Lower Minn. Area Con�t'd Garens asked whether residents of E.P. and from surrounding areas would be allowed and whether hunting; was permissable. He was also concerned about snowmobiles. Crozier answered that all groups were encouraged and these was no fee for entrance. IIe added that Limited hunting would be allowed, and that youth groups would be catered to. He said that the trail system is already planned and snowmobiles will be allowed. A member of the audience, speaking for the Minn. Valley Restoration Project, commented that the trail system was a wonderful thing. She talked about regulation and anticipated it to be a. problem. She added that snowmobiles are not allowed in their area. Helmer asked the length of trail system. Crozier responded that it extends from Ft. Snelling to Le Sueur. It is a corridor and one portion of the trail would be for sno4nnobiling in the i•iin.ter and horseback riding in the summer. Ile added thole is no Jong stretch that is already in use. Rally Hustad, inquired how Bloomington affected their policy of no snowmo- biles. I•Is. Mellott responded that residents asked their legislators to add a clause that no snocnnobiling be allowed in the City. Hustand asked what recourse T:.P. has and whether there was any way in the acquisition of the property that this could be a restriction. Crozier reconunended working at it and get law amended, although he felt there would be a lot of snoi.nnobil.ers working against you. He added that he didn't know whether this could be a restriction in the acquisition process. Mr. Tom Follrath. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, said the corridor is already set up as part of the state trail system. Hustad inquired as to how the U. S. Fish and 'dildlife Service felt about snoi•nnobiles. Crozier answered that they have tried it but have phased it out because people seemed to be coming purely for the snowinobiling, rather than enjoyment of. nature. He added that they do not encourage it. Upton asked about the landowners restricting use themselves through Mondale's Bill. Crozier responded that the Landowners frill be paid to keep it in the natural state, therefore, he can specify whatever he wants. Upton was concerned about the protection for the corridor from private land- owners. Crozier zuiswered through perpetual easements on their deed. Upton asked what the total acreage of entire recreational area. Follrath answored 24000 acres, with 970 acres in private ownership in E.P.. 14r.. Blacl:lock commented that the nature centers in the motropolitnn area are bookod solid for the entire summer, and feels that this area with its fantastic wildlife could be a wonderful place for nature study. Minutes - Parks, Rec., and Page Five Natural Resources Com. Approved August A., 1975 i C A. Prosentotion b,, Federal Fish & Wildlife Service - Lower Minn. _ Area _�Cont,td Crozier said U. S. risk and Wildlife Ser. would work with schools and stress wildlife education and interpretation. He added the Staff would work with teachers and provide -teacher training so they would feel more comfort,abl.e :in coming with their class. Bennett commiented that last year fifth graders spent 401E apiece to go to a nature-, center in northern Minnesota, and .feels it would be a good thing to have a center so close. Bennett asked if it would be correct to say that this whole concept would protect this area, and that certain parts would be used and certain areas would not be used. Crozier answered that the Hennepin Park Reserve Districtts policy is 1.0-20N intensively used and the rest is not. Garens comricnted that at previous meeting landowners were concerned that if it came under public o;-rnernhip, they would not be able to keep their land. He felt the third category would give them this opportunity. Fol.l.rath added there would be one limp sum for easement, and they could do an,'thing with their land except what is specifically not allowed. Penzel was concernod with the tax loss to the City. Crozier said Fish & Wildlife acquires the 'land and does not pay taxes on it, but they do make a pa2ment to tho County, and most of the time it is percentage of appraised fair market value-3/4 of 15% of purchase price, which would be from oil royalties. Mr. Parker inquired as to how much is tax money and how much is royalties. Crozier responded that there is another fund for royalties and that the law does not allow them to use the royal.tics for management. He said the tax- payer does pay for it and does use it. I1r•s. 'bowler was concerned about privacy and didntt feel she would have any more privacy -than if' she lived in the city. She also voiced concern for devaluation of her property. Crozier responded that she would not be in the wildlife rill nLge area, but would probably be in the third category. He added that poople want to live near a wildlife refu-e and a realtor would list a home as bnekintr up to a natural. reserve park or etc.. Dean Edstrom, 10133 Edon Prairie Rd., requested that Crozier expound on pnrkinr; l1l.acus ctc.. Crozier said parking is used as limiting factor. Thore would be an entry point, trail. sy •tems and observation towers, he added. Edstrom w^s concerned with whether there would be any additional costs that B.P. would be oblifmted to assimic-•. Crozier responded negative. 'There would bo cooperative nF,rce:]Aant with fire dept, police, no sewer cost, with all being C� (Ioncr:i.bod in environmental itriptirt 91--atemclit. Ei.nu•tes - Parks, Rec., and Page Six " Natural Resources Com. Approved August 4, 1975 p� A. Presentation by federal. fish & Wildli_fo Service - Lower Minn. . _. Area Cont'd) Kingrey asked when the draft would be submitted. Crozier answered that at this date, it is a concept, until legislation is passed. Kingrey inquired as to who would approve the environment impact statement. Crozier responded the National. Environmental Council. Ms. 1•.e'llott said she wouldlike to see the Commission take action and had taken the liberty to prepare resolution, and would like to present It at this time. She read resolution to audience. 1,10TTON' NO. 1. Choiniere moved to accept in concept and, idea .. the Minn. Valley National Wildlife Refuge and Recreation Area based upon the fol7.owing; A. That it is the right; thing -to do from a flood control standpoint. c. B. That it fulfills wildlife and recreation principle' as set forth in Senator I'londalets Bill. Bennett seconded and the motion carried with a vote of 5-3-1. Erickson -- yay Anderson - nay Penzel - abstained Bennett - yay Garens - nay Upton - yay Kingrey - nay Choiniore - yay 11 el.mer - yay DT.SCU ;SIGN Garens felt the purpose of the Commission was to make recommendations to the Council, and if we do agree with concept we should recoirzaend steps to be taken ;and express support to 1.1inn. Congressional Delegation. Upton felt it was a positive action taken by the Commission. Anderson stated we have Crone on record in the past that we accept the study and wo gave it full approval. in the past, and he would like to see whole- hearted support. 1.107".COPI 1T0,. 2 Garens mo•tTed, in view of previous inntln. ), +lint we recommend •ta -the. Council that they do al.1. in then' poi-Mr to -8ul;1:K)rt U. S. Minn. Congressional Dcle;*nt:ion for Lho.i.r aponsor•ship of enabling lcgislntion and for enact,�ent. Anderson seconded and notion carried with a vote of 7-1-1, with Choiniere casting dissenting vote and Fenzel abstaining,. Chn:irmrin I�'ricknon called for a 10 minute break before proceeding with the Agcnd;a. (9s 20 PM) Mcct:iiiU resumed tit 9130 PM. ClF.I f ti Minutes - Parks, Rec., and Page Eight Natural Resources Cam. Approved August 4, 1975 A. The Pr:rlc Bond I^^ue -- Jerry. Kingrey (Cont,d 140TI0N C011TID� 3. Initiate regular :status reports by the staff, to be presented at each P R Lc IM Comunission meeting, of the development of plans by the School Board for its new facilities. 4. Direct staff to present, within two months, a statement out- lining scheduled recreation activities that are in imminent jeopardy as a result of unavailable facilities and/or personnel.. 5. Direct staff to analyze: the referendum and suggest a method of conducting a survey oncompassa.ng at least two-'thirds of the eligible voters in the city so ar, to determine specific reasons behind the vote or opinion. The motion 4rc1:3 seconded by Anderson. D1SCi1S SI017 Bennett asked for clarification of point no. 3. Kingrey responded that he wants to be sure of•what the school board is doin-g, and it was his impression that we didn't know this, but fools a very brief status re- port would be of help. 11e emphasized fullest cooperation between the City and School Board was necessary. Bennett said that since the now comunittce was formed, she felt they would have inure definite reconuaendatz.ons and information in 6 nontir to a year. She agreed about the cooperation and requested a sharing of minutes be- twoon the two bodies, adding she would request minutes from the new committee to be shan<ndv Bennett questioP.cc1 110.1 of the motion. Kingrey emphasized that his intent was not for a "i•ritchhunt", but only to find out 5.f anything ]mown by the ],knyor would be pertinent to the effective conduct of the Comunission. Gene 1•.00re, of E.P. Corranunity News, said the Eayor will make a statement at tho neat Council meeting. Ander^on expressed his concern about all of the time the Commission spent on t1Le issues, and not having any dissenting views expressed by the Mayor previously, he felt the Com�rnission should have known about this opposing stand. lie:l.mer questioned the need. for the Mlayor and Chamber President to appear before 'the Comunission. Kin;;rey responded that he hopes the 1 ayor and Chnmber will slWire their knoi•rledge with the Commission, and if they have information that. is different from ours are should ] now about it. Choinic:re felt tho Comunission should approach a future referendum from a pos:i.tive need aspect. lie felt -there were not enough people who needed the 01,Timr7irig pool or ice/tennis facility. r ]lonno•tt expressed her opina.on that we should find out 1.71-Iat tho people grant. 1. r • I•linutes - Parks, Roc., and Page Seven Natural Resources Com. Approved August 4) 1975 LV. R!C01.•A!Z;N])4TI01•I3 _MD REPORTS A. The Pzrk Bond I_-^uo -- Je.rry Kinana Kingrey addressed 'the Commission and explained that he has thought over -the referendum and outcome and as a result, has put this motion together to express concorns that 1•1e should be aware of. The motion questions areas that, he is concerned with, and also the concerns of others. I?e continued that he would like to get a po r�iti.vc reason for tl-.-,e defeat of the referendum. Upton o-q)re,sed the opinion that the referendum was voted down because poople could not afford it. She did not feel we should spend City money on taping a survey and felt the only effective survey methoO. would be door-to-door. Kingrey .suggested groups like EPAA etc., to conduct the survey. Bennett thought students might be able to do tho survey, with the school district using the inforrrra'ti.on also. Choiniere corvnented that since so many different issues were added on, it didn't come out as a well thoug t out referendum. Anderson felt the sta•te:nent regarding the bad financial position of the City hurt the, referendum. lie added that he felt the letter } in -the L.P. I�e�•rs regarding the mi-information on trails was another factor. Bennett agreed with Upton that people voted against it because of financial. problems many people have at—this time. I•:OT:f.ODI Kitirrey moved that the Park, Rec.; and Idat. Res. Com. in a self- exarninati.oti rind definition of its ul.timatc objective and the means by which that objective is to be n•ttained, initiate certain itrvediate action, :specified as follows: 1. Subin:l.t to the City Council, at its next regular scheduled r rncatin;*, an invitation to the Ifayor to appear at the A11G. 18,19 15 P. Corjii,,:;ion meeting, nt uhieh time the nn,5Or would slu;ro with the corrninsion a3.1 of thoso pertinent facts relat- ing to hi, public position r•ritl-: r.e.spect to the 7/22/75 park irnprovo- ment referendum. This data sharing being crucial to the effec- tive concluct of tide cornrni:,:.ion. 2. Submil, to the City Chamber of Cormnerce, at its next regular sche,'iulcd mco•tini�', an invitation 'to its President to appear at tyro Augu,t l:l, 19'75 1', 11 & IdR Cor�rnis;ion meeting, in order th,ct 11e nLiX. CT,'1l•5.fy areris In tho Chamber con.idored the park J.niprovemclit proposals (referendum) inconsistent, with the Chambers view of the orderly :socio-economic growth of the cit;t. r _ a 1 i Iiinutes - Parks, Roe., and Page Nine Natural Resources Com. Approved August 4, 1975 i A. The Park. Bond Issue -- Jorry ICin rep* (ContId Chairman Erickson called the motion in its entirety. VOTE Motion carried with a vote of 5-3-1. Erickson - yaY Upton - Nay Fenzel - abstain Anderson - yay Bennett - Nay Garena -- yay Choiniere-Nay Helmer - yay I�ingr.ey - yay Bennett said she would like to have the Commission recommend rather than make it a forced appearance. Helmer agreed and requested it be as a request type of approach rather than force. Chairman Erickson left meeting at 10:10 PII, and turned over meeting to Vice- Chairperson Upton. II:. IhI]JU`1�I:S OI' JURY ?_1., 1975 1R:1�.T:[NG ` Yaffe 1, Sec. II, last para.; Delete. "unanimously", Add "faith Choiniere abstaining". Page 11 last para.; Delete "first draft of" and "with proposed dollar amounts"; Add "discussion of programs for" after "Jessen presented". Bennett moved to accept minutes of July 21, 1975 meeting with corrections. Fenzql seconded, motion carried. VII. ADJ OUMP'Z TT,ITT Fenzel moved to adjourn, Garons seconded, motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 10:15 PM- Submitted by, Donna Stanley Rocording Secretary �Y AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION ****SPECIAL MEETING**** Monday, August 11 , 1975 7:00 PM, Forest Hills School Cafetorium COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Brian Mikkelson, Elizabeth Tracy, Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION STAFF: Marty jessen, Director of Community Services ROLL CALL I. PROPOSED 1976 BUDGET. II. ADJOURNMENT. PLEASE NOTE: Time - 7:00 PM Place - Forest Hills School r. I i XV.pproved MINUTES ` POLIO, MECMEATION AND NATURAL RESOUR::ES COlOaSSION I:onday', kar;ust, 1.1, 1975 7:00' PM FOREST HILLS Spacial ldeet.'4ng Mal. COl".:I:SS.►U1?I 1 is?I??L'1iS PRE'S"Ei!I': Chairman Nq:rvin Erickson, Francis Helmer., Paul Choi.niere, Wolfgang Penzel, Mary Upton, i,;i.i.1-1 am Garons, Jerry Kin[;rey, and Richard Anderson C01.1,ISSIOId 1lisrtl;l;ii.0 ABSEI T: Dorothy Bennett, Brian I/liildcelson, Elizabeth Tracy, and Steve F ifield, Ex Officio STAFF 1M-14131-2.'� PMSSE;.'T: Iiarty Jesson,Dircctor of Community Services Sandy 11orts, Recreation Supervisor 0`01Y.;1.S P4Mf-LI T. ---- Chairmcan Brichson called the mecting to order at 7:3.0 11M. PROYOSED 1976 RITDGET i oiiindos:i.on r cn5ers rind r;encral quostiono concor.ni.ng; the budget. I Choimi.cre ashed doadl.ine date of budget-. Jossen responded th-at by Sept. 1, r Ii F: I•R Coo. noods to t-,ke some actio.,i for a final recommond.a•tion -to the C- Cotluacil. Ha „ _'.od. th•it the budget will be up for con::ideration at tl:c- Sept. 9 Council mcetiiig. Choi.rii(,-ro aslccd about existing budget experience. Jessen gai.d that fox" 19'5, budget ex3)enditlires were �12l,.,000 as of Julyl,11 i. 36 of total b idget has:bden spent. HEI , ded nost of e,-onc,iturc•c• arc occurring; du ing* the surl:nor months, and we arc 41.1st abol.rt a;1 t.ari-'et. . Clio r:ro uor::::cr, r cl that he dirt not sce any correlation to past exj)eri.ence. Joncon said this•is the f.'iest time that the Coi:oAssi.on has had opportunity for preparaticrl. Ile added the 6 r:'orth e:-pcndituros_ have just been nlnde available at the lau't 1Uh11C11 lffee't'.n��o i Upt,.l: 'as'lccld whothcr the I-a•eT,nr.ed budget u:ill go to the City IIanagcr. Jcr.^,aen 'L•h�? purpose of 'this i1E;u'ti-Ylr i; to d1scuos .113 areas, mahin additions and deletions, elms City I',lnar;cr w-A.111 r;o it, mvki.nn hi.o recol'11nondations. Ile added that th:i s Oily l winr:;T' r' I-a s ellU:;Un riot to i�.ifltacnce tho budget and felt the Ce,:;rai.'3.'Aon ;•rns chn.ri;c:d �rit.la thi a re:ponsiai.7 i.ty, and that he would m- ke � reC,:1"Tr'G:7 F1't:40nS 0,-Ily where hc, folt it was nee (!;n mry, i Choi.l-ico-c ro-Iiiestod i,-,h,.rt Jo.;:;c:n e,•pl in the sources and distrihutionn of rmoney as it rl.ii'c:c:•ts JEli.:0''1'l .rospoladed t'.cat two sources of income 1 nr„l:e un the rrc1e::,a'1 rovc+truc; .i u!'d; inccor,c frol:i ne:rvicoo rand fecEy and tax revenues. ian�r.c:a .rovcnur.:h oro tl;oEl iY, -the pro«rara ;areas (boachos etc.), while ` 'tax rovemlca „C} f;,:r t''.E1i.nteiino',no OU;;tn of tbo dopartment. I I , 14inutes - Parlcs, Roe. and Page Two Natural. Resources Com. YKapproved August 11, 1975 :C. 7'iZOPU511'll 1.2.76 IILID^]IP'P CONT!21 }" Upton asked for a general figure spent per person in recreation program. Garens suggested the only reasonable figure would have to be figured from -the e�1.'_l;,000and population of L.P., wnich Would be about 015.00. Jensen added that any other way of reaching that figure would be misleading. Upton inq►rired i•:hother the proposed budget by the Coiranission would go before the Council. Jessen anaM•rered -that the bud,;et, plus recor;.nondations, deletions, and additions will go before the Council. He added that the City Manager may also make recomr.:endation s, taking into account the finnneibLl condition of the cor.imuni•t:y and n!ai,r offer another figure. Choiniere cormented that he felt the City Manager riay save us some trouble on some of the fixed items. Je'soon said the Commission should recommend what it feels needs to be done, and if it is i•rell doci.u:�cnted and substantiated, it will show up on l;anager.'s list, I:e a(lded. that the Council then makes the decision. Choiniere was concerned as to additional money for capital improvements. Ponzel said once bud«ct is adopted, the Corz ission can only alter items aftor al:proval from Council, bocause of the corrsr►i.ttment made. Iie added that we are hound by law as -to amount of money wee can spend and that determines tho overall picture and priorities. There was discunsion pertainin,; to previous Council consideration of money derived from liquor stores to he earr:arkoa for recreat-ion purposes. Jessen said there was no birnci.nr; cor:nai•ttrrent undo by -the Council, but that it was and still is under consideration L the present brae. Gaarens added that if the present trend •toward:•deeentrali'zation cohtinues.and liquor stores are: removed from fair trade 'laws and competition' comes:inp municipal liquor_ stores will not be as profitable as before. Erickson called for a point of clarification on whother we can get; a lu,zn, without a bond i.smic. Jcr:sen responded tirni: some capital irr:provenients for fraci:l it,ies are proposed for tho 1976 Budgct, hc:wever, devolopnen•t of another bond proposal is neces::nr.y. 011a•irmnn Erickson di_ructed meeting to actual budget items: ADt *i7'l..T.i`t..T:101I Choinic;-ro reclunniLed that "noi.phhorhood and cog:muni•ty" be added to"nevi sed cnp:itn). ir.,nrovernent r ro„rugs for p;ark rind rep:. nreas and .facilities" under ObjoctLvoc for Adrnini.r:tration. Anderson was concornc.d ;•rith brh,;r o the money would comp from for acquisition of the lnhos since defeat of the bond issue. Je.m3r.:n said those would be Ro,;J.onl purl, funds, rri.•tlr no reclua.rowent for z-'C(l itional r ntchin,; Ad-Ids from l.ocrrl ciourca. Andrr.;:,)n giiruotioncd priority rating of Laho Riley. Josson i rcal?ondcd that it lms high priority ;,rith 1-.rtro Council. bonding authority. Minutes — Parks, Teo. and Page Three Natural Resources Corn. =approved August 11, 1975 T. PROPOSED 1976 nUDGEN (CONTI1•)) Jensen inforno(3 nu.tnbers that administrative salaries are listed at 1975 nuno-unts, 1•ri•th increases approved by City Council, using contingency fund to adjust salnri.es of Staff over the year. Acre was discussion on method of deciding which deletions and additions to r:,ake. Erickson sug,"es•ted going 'throuuh entire budget, noting requested changes, and voting on each chance with a majority vote deciding outcome. 1'-iost of the Cormni.s,sion members were ih agreement with this. Cho:ini.ere requested striking of clerical. fund of �8,000. ` here tans dis— cmnr-li.on of cl.e: _.ca.1 fees. Upton and Cho:inierc :favored the shari.nn of sub script ions. Upton was concorncd with the need for the paid attendance to the conferences l:?.sted. Pen el_ a;:olained that one is a revenue sources school., and is very .beneficial to the community. The other conference is a professional type. Anderson supported the conference attendance and felt this was of benefit to the conilrcur:ity because of the money already saved as a result of ideas and information received from these conferences. Upton .suggested alternating conference attendance by Director of Community Services and Recreation Supervisor. Ff-Jy:ier stated his opinion that he would like to see more neighborhood facili— tic,s ne :t year. P-&Td: PLA1;I'l1?11 a'i,::rr. -arcs d iscllssion of h-ihoway system. Anderson asked if •the County Rd. 4 construction of bikewa.y/hike-o'.1y trai:Ls be eldininutcd because of the recent widening of that road, and felt this adcq::-tnte. Jossen m MaccorctinU t:a the Tusk Iorce report, Co. Rd. /+ was one area where 6ho ;cpnrn,.e trails wore nocessary Because of heavy traffic, and also because of use of apron to pass on the right. IIe added the original plan r:nvisioned trails to Co. Rd. i., rather than only to highway 5. Anderson added. i.nforrnntion received from a meeting lie had attended where traa.ls were ci:c;:cii;;,ed. 1le said it had boon found that thora wore more accidents on se;>a.ratc trail.:,, rather than when bilce trail was attached. Si'gnage on Cci. ;t. 4 eras discussed. Soma rncnd;crs fol.t it gave bicyclists .f a al se sense. of ,ecur:i.t,y. Ein;;rey was concern-od. with linbil.ity from siF;naga that miriit be considoi.•ed a tr•all.Ti.c nuisanoo. Jesscn responded that it w;is no r orc t,hnn .,o pre;>en-tly h,we. r Page Four 14inutes - Parks, Rec. and approved August 11, 1975 Natural Resources Com. PART: PLARNIUG COIdT D Federal Aid 'to Urban 'Pronsc,or.tati.on (FAU) •funding was discussed in relation to biko trails. Jessen said Valley Viotr and- Scenic Ileights Rds. are taken care of through assessment arrang;emont. It was agreed to add"Trunk 1Iirliwa,y 5 to Co. Rd. 1, and Co. Rd. 1 East -to the V bal.l.fields. '� Penrcl co?mnented ;that the MAC decision regarding the leasing of the land for the l:,a:ll.fields would have an effect on this. Cho:i.niore i•equc.stod adding Lochanburn and Duel: Lake 'frail to planned bikeways. RI�CIATIOII SUPLrct. SOR Choinicre clues-tionod the need for this position. Jessen said there was a definite i need for a person for this position to coordinate and supervise all of the various � recreational programs on the adult and chilclren's level. Anderson responded I Choiniere aal:cd t•rhether. era could try' Zln internship program. i that this typo of pro�;.ram had come throul;h 'the Commission and was unsuccessflrl whereas, the Council established the position of Recreation Supervisor. 110 RLrSTi3Y ` another City to carry out this Upton inyui Foci whether E.P. could contract on p y but that the function. Jessen responded that this had boon done previously, duties are now i�eing carried oi'it by the public: rraintenancc people, �rhich takes away from general. maintenance. Ile added that he fools that technical. assistance is needed and. constructive type of prop 'ram is needed. Upton questioned the need for a full-time forester. Jessen said that we are not doing an adequate job frith oric part-time person. DeLiier suff_e:.tcd. Chris Engor, Land:cane Architect, assume the duties. Jessen ^aid we would have to train him, thus taking him away from his job. Andornon cormic:ntcd that he feels the forestry program is very important, especially at this t:i_mo 1JCcft')9e of the I)revaleneo of Dutch Elm disease and Oak :Illt in E.P.. Choiniero ::tatc.d his po,ri'tion that he did not feel we were ready for a forester at thin; time, and that 1•1e ;"houl(I maho use of County ,services that are offered. Ile added tli,at he fol.t the Forester :ind Landscape Architect positions were duplicates. fin(Icrson rentics'ted a job ooscript: on of Forester position, with members voting on it. 11102 ''J UN on all bond items, t1ni•cns M. . vod to set ,1 ;,l;eci al. meoti.nr,, for the 1, -or of voting nftor roviowi.n, ontiz'c Notion died for lack of a second. r at 7.00 Pb/ as date f'oi' another special mooting for �W Chai.r.n:nn Bricic;on set Aug. ?_5, comhl-c,ti.un of budgct revici•ral. i1i.n1i'te,^ - Parks, Roc., and Page Five 3 Natural Resources' Ceme jgapprocTed August Il, 1975 7.E 1I ACTIVI`-I- S Kingrey questioned 'alerts as to meaning of increase of involvement of youth to 50 persons. Worts r.csl:cinded this pertained to Summer Teen Work Program, which is made up of 13-15 year olds, who are paid 50 cents an hour with one weekly scheduled activity. She added they need more work for them to do and more com-- potent supervisors. Upton stated her opinion that she tholtght the Rock Band Concept was good, but that 1 ;;lie was opl:>osed to the purchase of -the band equipment. She felt that if kids were interested, they would have their own. ',alerts explained briefly the concept of the teen drop-in center. Anderson corv.ent- ed -that he could sce this only if there was a definite place to go to. Ile added that this would be the only way he would be in favor of the fooseball & ping, pong table type equipment also. Werts explained that the supplies were to support the existing programs. She authorities, that they stressed the necessity of added, after talking to school a good band -to insure a successful evening. i DJ�,I BJJS'�1�L'S Jessen requested Commission action on purchase of Blacklock property to be acted on It r,c;mot Co111iCil muting. IdUTTOTI Anderson r.!oved -to recorwnend to tho Council, that the City purchase the Blackl.ock land at 'the price of :; 35,000, granting right to occupy the house until their new home is completed, 1a1-iich is January 1, 1976. Kingrey seconded and the motion carried ui-vIninously. A1�JUURIII�T�1T lieeting nd juurned at 7.0:10 Pik.. Submitted by, Donna S tnnlcy Hocording Socrctary .1 j 1S AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, August 4, 1975 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Pencel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Brian Mikkelson, Elizabeth Tracy, Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Servic e s ROLL CALL I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA II. MINUTES OF JULY 21, 1975 MEETING III. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS NONE IV. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. The Park Bond Issue -- Jerry Kingrey B. 1976 Budget Proposal. V. OLD BUSINESS A. Presentation by Federal Fish & Wildlife Service - Lower Minnesota River Valley Wildlife Area. VI. NEW BUSINESS VII. ADJOURNMENT AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, August 18, 1975 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy .Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Brian Mikkelson, Elizabeth Tracy, Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION STAFF:STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services ROLL CALL I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA. II. MINUTES OF AUGUST 4, 1975 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 11 1975 SPECIAL MEETING C III. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Letter from Robert W. Hanson, President, Eden Prairie Chamber of Commerce. B. Letter from Herb Mason, M.B. Hagen Realty Company C. Request by Rusty Irvine to Fill Floodplain IV. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1 . B. Reports of Staff 1 . Gravel Operations Report 2. Park Dedication Requirements r Parks, Recreation and Natural - 2 - Monday, August 18, 1975 �esources Agenda B. Reports of Staff (continued) 3. Development Proposals a. Hustad Office Building b. Eden Prairie Family Recreation Center C. 4. Purgatory Creek Study V. OLD BUSINESS ' r A. VI. NEW BUSINESS A. VU. ADTOURNMENT a i� approved 141NUTES j '1 PAMS, RECREATION AIM 14ATURAL RESOURCr�S CObITSSSION I•ionday, Au�;iast 18, 1.975 7:30 I'M CITY HALT C01,1.1ISSION I.M.73L:25 PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, William Garens, Wolfgang Pen^el, Dorothy Bennett, Francis Helmer, Paul Choi.niere, Jorry Kin-grey, Mary Upton, Richard Anderson, Brian I•alcke'lson, and Steve Fifield, P:x—Off icio I C01•]1T.SSION 1-924BER;S ABSEITT: Kl.i.zabeth Tracy STAFF B-TQBT'i'tS MSENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Commullity Services O r;T itS PRr SMIT: Gone ldoore, E. P. News, Rusty Ir1rine, r Bill Bonner, Listad Dovolopmerit, Corp., and Don Peterson, Eden Developnont Tne. Cll,ai..rman Lricl•_son called the meeting; to order at 7:30 PM. I. _1J;P QtTAI, OF A0ENDA Af;e(da was approved aftor addition of: III.D — Communicat-lori from Mayor; t lr1. g . Votl.o.n re+t nrci .rtr* pnrlc bond i ssue; VI. B — Appointment of PR rind ATR Cori, mombrr -to Ounpre-1,e�ic,ive Guide Plan Update Cowiu.tte3. OF 41JG1J T li l�i7ri Disci IL t Parro 6, Para. lr, Doletc "•the", adcl "clad", de].ote "of" u' Item B., Deleto "principle", add "principles" f Cha:iniore movecl to approve Tni.nutes of August Lp, 11'75 meeting ras corrected. � Upton ^econded, an-6. mr_)tion carried. , _i]'TiTi�IE:3 OF LIMIS _73]. _1.c3 7� Si'.,,'CTAL 1•:P;ETIHG ' t Pure 1, parn. 3 of :1LC. I, Delete "irhich is", ndd "has boon spent." if. 2, " Uelote 'Idccon'tr:�'l.i:ai.r.� ", add "ciecentrali,ration"; ads It Oro rel.0VOd frOTll fair trade laws," after "coTltirjL,('n; Doloto 't:i.t.'t, add "l;:un:ici.Pal linlin:; ntores". i Cl,c1 . ii(l.re inovrci to acccl�t nli.;(at^r. of ALl riT ;t ].l, 1.975 spc cin]. rngeting at-, corrected. Pc:]Tre.r seconded nn•a motion cnx•ried. i R. l,ot,_ter_Crom Rnh_z_' :r. I_z r:^.C3 _�t ];d_11 PrIj Cc:n:Tiu.^ninll wmmbor;o ro:::,::rni;^ci p,t1 let;.ci• from iir. Nan,3otT. • i , Minutes - Parks) Rec. and Page Two Natural Resources Com. approved August 18, 1975 A. Letter from Robert i'I. Hanson (ContId� a! Choiniere was amazed at support given bond issue according to the survey attached. He said he was convinced that finances were what defeated the bond issue. Bennett .felt that the combination of added assessments such as sewer and water had a lot to do with the way people voted. She added that after. talking; to I•'.r. Hanson, she felt he had a lot of respect for the work of people on Coi;imissions etc:, and he -is more than willing to work with them I for the goad of Bden Prairie. t Hi.ngr.ey e.:pressed his opinion that rate of growth of our park and recreational � facil.it:i.es should equal -that of development and growth of the community. I He felt •thu't the Chamber didn't feel the need for park and rec. improvement i at this time. Kingroy added that he felt the Chamber does not feel the park and r-ec. development is going in the same direction-that the Chamber would prefer. Choiniere coiranont-ed that he felt Mr. Hanson lrfLS concerned with tax load on individuals. Penzel said this assumption that our finances are out of line is inaccurate. lie added that the annual urowth has not been as rapid as anticipated, but as far as our finances are' concerned, we are well protected. Pon7.ol contaonted on :i.tem IIo. 10 of the survey, which he felt was misleading. i lie ,paid our real estate taxes are substatially lower than surrounding corranuni- t:i.os. Ile added-that we were assessed at ,such a low rate, causing; the County to ra:Lse our lcv'el 6;� across the beard. He said our to•tat payments are higher ff. because of special a.s:essrnents. Kingrey a^Iced about bonded indebtedness. Penzel explained there are two facets inval_ved; special- assessncn•t improvements-for which no limit exists under the lair, and a fund for a statuatory giant to the .Level you can go into debt--general obligation bondsr with ;.3,000,000 a s the limit. He added that the bond proposal wus well Within that range. b;OTION Choiniere moved 'to accopt and file corranunication of August ll; 1975 and enclosux'o of 6/75 r.eceivod from Mr. Manson. Upton seconded and motion carried unanimou,l.5-. B. Latter. frrnn Ii____crl, 11__. *en Realty Cor navy Jooncn protented letter concerning* Lots 12-19, Block 2, of Paradise "Talley, which 11ag�en lteal.ty :i., offoring to deed over to the City for park purposes. je,,j poi; responded to clua^tions eoneorning results of accepting offer at this time or w ai t:i.ngl for forfeiture. Ile said if the City wore to accept this pruporty law, wo w()ul.c1 have to pay the taxes, but if we waited a couple of ,yaaro the City woitld raccive it through forfeiture, and would not have to pxcy 'the tnxos. I•'enzol atldod there would be uti:l.:i.t,y assessment that would have to be paid. Jon on naicl that t•roiilcj he pn:i.d for through general revenue obligation fund ana will have to be paid either wa„r. r, 1•linutes - Parks, Roe. and Pace Three Natural Resources ;approved August 18, 1975 B,, Letter from Herb Mason, ._.. .Company (Co ntId) Commission members Bennett and Choiniere felt it would be an ideal place for a neighborhood playground, and stressed that the land might be bought before forfeiture occurred, if the City waited. MOTION Choini.ore moved to -accept offer made by I .B. Hagen Realty Co. in correspondence of July 18', along with soil analysis. Kingrey seconded, and the motiZ)n carried, with Garens casting dissenting vote. • i Garens felt it should go to the Staff for additional cost figures and inform<•ltion. Penzel gave additional. information for consideration. He said financial i cost from a tax delinquency still due and payable is very minimal. C. . Rnr.1Lif st by Rusty Irving to rill Floodtl ain Rusty explained that at the end of March he was called by the sewer construc- tion co. asking if he had a place to put some dirt. Ile received verbal o.k. to dump fill in part of the flood plain area. He explained that the area basically is between I;y. 101 and Duck Lake Trail., and is not buildable land. Ile would like to fill it in and make into playground area with tennis courts and ballfield, and would like -to nalce the stream 10 ft. wide and 2 ft. deep. He added that residents complained of -the unbearable smell from carp that die off after overflow dries off, and the mosquitos are very bad. He opened � the floor for quostions. Penzel nue;.-tioned Rusty whothe.r he was planning on platting all of these lots platting � conceptually. Rusty responded that-they own the land indicated, and this is the very beginning of the plan. Kingroy asked whether Rusty was considering fill on both sides. lie responded negative, because of blatershod District. He added they did not consider it necessary for flood control. There was discussion of blockage of culverts. MOTTON Anderson moved -to refer request by Rusty l:rvine of August 14, 1975,to the: Staff for conslder•a•t:i.on, with •L•echnical : ssistince from 'Watershed District, t Dept. ui. :..:aural Resources, and Soil Conservation Service. Garens sccordcd, motion carried unan5.mnusly. Anderson comiiented that we have worked for years to develop.a. flood plain ordin.rcu to pro•tue" our flood plains from development, and the idea behind t It is •to use lurid.. as it best suits our community and .flood plain. He does � not ,;oa how rt wiso decision can be made without expert opinion. i Jolson nddod that at next regular mecting, Sept. 15, a Staff report: trill he ready, ulth bac:l ground information requested by Choiniere. 4 • i i is • Page Four " Minutes - Parls. Rec. and ,approved August 18, 1975 11a'L'ural Rosources Corn. D. Cormnnnica Lion from Ma ox` �> Comani:csion members received communication from Mayor containing infoznna- tion regarding statement made to the F.P. Nei-is. Ringrey commented that there was a very deliberate discussion at these Council raeet`�nC; -to make public the Mayor's feelings on the issue. added l me-that he came affray from the meeting convinced there are no serious llted financial concerns nn itcn usto`nightss land felt ght nowp i'tdwould have said he abeen of great -that the �,ay or could value to the Commission. 140_TION Upton moved to recieve and file communication from the Choinere dated seconded August 1.8, '1975, Frith on of August�t 5, 1975. as a point of 'discussion. Motion carried unanimously. Choini.ere was concerned about a deficit. Ponzel, responded that the budget was based on best available information in 3.974 and that no one could de- ;,ate the change in economics that occurred. He continued that problem Licogni- on of that, change, the Council °fromt3°nto° correct 4% on all engineering pro- by .ncreasini; city overhead charges jec-ts approved and constructed. lie explained further that the �90,000 1•ras not an ovor-expenditure, but was a reduction in revenues. Kingroy asked whether revenues were now adequate. Ponzel answered affirma- tive. ` tizat the I-let. Sewer billing referred to has been a potential Pcnzel added billing, since 1970, any °f d revious©yearsa yrHo saida thatriticanrbenbilled 1975 rather than in on p anytime. Chairman Ericicson thanked Ponzel for answering questions regarding Mayor's stat°ment. IV. F7_O1�?Q_IDAT1AId5 AldD FOIQRTS 13. Renorts of Stntf Onera'tion Report - postponed. 2 Pnr . �i: Ped i.cnt,ion Re i rementr - lxrstponed. E . 3 Puyel.oyneni: Prono na s b. I^Jc < n_T.r.n i.rir. l n�rityocl_'ea'Li.on Center i Don I'ctrrs°n, o:C ECaented development n Developmont, Inc., pros fasn:.ly recreation center for site Located on the proposal. fora i nortlkerist cornor of 'plitcholl Road and State Iiighway 5• He said i bncl: i n 19'70 uhen original FUD was approved and marlcot studies indilantod a need for a rhopping center and response was i'avorablo, plalu3 for R double loaded mill were started tjfter a single loaded ter rna7.J. wan turned down by City Council. `,he proposed fhopping cena their prospectivo tenants to disappe at Hy. 5 and Co. Rd. 4 causedar. II k l`inutes -• P:arltis, Rec. and Page Five _a... Natural Resources Coin. sapproved August 18, 1975 B. Reorts of Staff (font'd)_ b. Edon Prairie Family Recreation Center (Corittd) After re-evaluation, they came up with proposal for the family rec. center, to be located on 21. acres, with formor committment for flood plain natural. corridors to be controlled by easement and basin for clarification of water running from site. Proposed businesses would be two specialty food places, family restaurant, with strong interest shown for cinema, bowling alley, roller skating ri.n3:, and raauet type health club, with shared parking. Peterson added since defeat of bond issue, he has been approached. by citizen; interested in a ice arena, inplace of some of -the other. places. IIe said if City and School District were interested, he would be Clad to meet with them. IIe added further that the proposal out- linc;d would be presented on Sept. 2 at a public hearing, unless they hear defi.nitcly from the City and School District that the ice arena was a good. use. Kinc_rey connonted that the concept was great and added that the proximity of the fire and police dopartmonts was excellont. lie questioned the connec- tion of linker and I•iitehcll Roads.Reterson said connection would have to be i done by the City. Garens agreed that the idea and site were excoll.ent and there is a need for this type of center, but was concerned abou•t-, trail system so neighbor- hood children could bike and wall: to the center. Peterson responded this can be pro,ri.tied. E.Angroy i!io od to recoinr.send proposal for a farai'ly recreation center at l4itchel. Rd. and Hy. 5 site to the Staff for considcra.tion. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. a. Ilustad Office Bui.l.di n_rr Dill Ponner, of Ilustad DeveloIxiont Corp., presented summary of major inten- tions of -the project. He pinpointed two problemrs-the land itself and the si.te. IIe e _plained there was long; time existing industrial use on one ;ide with reseden•tinl (Creckwood) on tho other side. The site was lot, area, �. woo0e•d slope, and uovinrf •to flat area with prairie grass. Dedication would be the flood plain, vith wooded slopes protected by scenic easement. lie ridded that a najor concern of horse owners .,an the traffic on Crock Itnoll i;toa d, S and they hatire .rerauostod a. evil-de-sac in this area. Bonner opened the floor for qucs•tions. I:elmor was concerned whether any provision for min-parks or playgrounds would be made. }Donner responded the residents of the proposed 25 homes would have the iisc of tho pool, vliich would be part of the office. Ile suggested area by the pond could be. turned into n more active recreation space if it could be worked out with the City. � lonler:.on n:.kcd for future pinns for rocreational- area~ for Creekwood residents. Donnor ci.tod -,"luff Sector Study, vhieh is a major .study encompnssing I4AC land, ! with 200 :acres a:: r.a jor focus for Iu•oposed i.nstituti.onal center. a t I r s t r Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Page Six Natural Resources Con. 'approved August 18, 1975 a. Hustad Office Buildin& (conttL Anderson was concerned with problem of scenic easements. Jessen exnlaittod the problem comes in because responsibility is sometimes hard to define. Itingrey asked if there was a relatively dry area by the creek that could be used as a ballfield. Bonner responded that the area north. of the creek is usually dry and he felt it could support recreation. MOTION Anderson moved to request Staff to come back with a study to Look into the question of liustad proposal for land use. Helmer seconded, motion carried unanimously. Bonder requested feedback on the problem of substantial assessments on Croak knoll Rd., then dedication of that land to the City. lie was also concerned with the timing involved. Erickson responded that the next regular meeting would be Sept. 15. Penzel. said the ne~;t public hearing would be held at the first .Council meeting of Sept.. Bennett and Plikkelson had to leave meeting at 10:15 P14. Chair.;.ran Erickson reminded nornbers there was no meeting scheduled for -the Monday of Labor Day work-end. l,.. Purgatory Creel: Stttd_Y_ Jessen explained they have just about completed a parcel by parcel study by BraueitzAssoc. and suggested setting a tentative date for a public hearing; by the end of Sept. or first of Oct.. 11e added that the analysis etc. would be completed by the Sept.. 15 meeting. VI. 1- ';1 iUSII•TMS A. Garen,t motion rerard.ing Park Bond Is sue Garens presented his reason for notion, that' in view of the fact that there ' are a lot of reasons the bond issue did not pass, mainly economics, we do I need neipliborhood facilities, bike trails, and continuation of land acquioi•- tion for parks. MOTION Garens moved that we recomr.,iend to the Council that they consider another Bond Issue this Fn1.1, based on a rcvis.ed proposal of No. 1 only, after re- i view by Pit & NR Com.. Anderson socondcd, motion carried unanimously. Anderson conrnontoa ;.fiat he would like the Commission to sit down with the Cosine-i1. and discuss rrl;nt they can support. He added that he fools it is very .`ui;portant that Lho Council hrr:r raith in the Commission's reconmrenda- `,... tiuns. i , I Page Seven. Parks, Rec. aril ^ August 18, 1975 ja Natural Resources Com. pproved A. I-Totion reffnrdina Park Bond Issue (Cont'd) Tricicson felt that we' could not put together another bond issue without putting in many more hours. lie added that more information will have to be given to the people. Garens said we i,.now where the needs are and we need a positive program, and we need to come back to the Council with a plan. Ile asked Jessen whether an informal meeting before a Council meeting could be arranged. Choiniere said the joint meeting; showed that there were different opinions, and he felt lie had misread some of the Council memboras opinions. Jessen stated it was absolutely necessary to have a process urbere we can come out of a joint meeting with something; definite. IIe suggested groups of two Commiss:i.on members with 1 Council member, sitting down s:ition and defining needs and corning to clear understanding 1 p° B. Anointment of 1'R and Ida Com member to Comx�rehensive Guide Plan. ilpdtLte Nevi.etir Corinittoe -- 1 rr:i.ckson informed members that Council has' ordered review of -the Guide Plan. Jessen added that mcetinCsi-rill probably be hold in -the eveninM.. Garens volunteered to be that member. i I VIT. ADJOUakil%0MI C` Garens moved to adjourn at 10:/FO PI•i. Upton seconded and motion carried unanimously. Submitted by, I Donna Stanley Recording Sc;cretary AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION ****2ND SPECIAL MEETING**** Monday, August 25, 1975 7:00 PM, Prairie View School COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William G arens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Brian Mikkelson, Elizabeth Tracy, Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION STAFF: Marty lessen, Director of Community Services ROLL CALL I. PROPOSED 1976 BUDGET. II. ADJOURNMENT. PLEASE NOTE: Time - 7:00 PM Place - Prairie View School MEapproved 14INUTES f_ PARKS, 112,CRGATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES C0111MLSSION \ 11onday,. August 25, 1975 7:00 PIr PRAIRIE VIEW ELEM. SPECIAL IE MING COMMISSION 1•04BERS PRESENT.': Chairman Marvin Erickson, Mary Upton., Wolfgang Per.;zel, Paul Choiniere, Francis Helmer, Jerry Kingrey, and Richard Anderson COMI-ISSION iMMER.S ABSENT: William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Brian Mi.kkelson, Elizabeth Tracy, and Steve F"ifield, Ex-Officio 4 STAFF MKI$ERS PRESF1dT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Sandy Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor OTHERS PRESENT: Al Upton, representing ,School Board. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Erickson at 7:10 Pid. Jessen informed members that he is working on setting up a date for a joint meeting with the City Council for the purpose of considering a revised bond issue. I. PROPOSED 1976 BUDGIaT' SPECIAL EVENTS Upton was concerned about the "Cooler" attracting too many people, causing; a hazard. lielx,ier inquired whether any revenues were shown at -the Bryant Lake riding operation. Jessen said the stable is included in a rental or real. estate fund because it is not a proUram revenue. The City receives guaranteed. fee of ;?400 per month, he added. Choiniere requested update of ranch be put on future agenda for discussion. Upton and Ilcl3ner qucsti.oned whether "Ladies Day Out" event would be successful, f based on feedback they hnd received from women they hnd tal.kcd to. Anderson r. added that a group f'ce for an event in always loss than individual fee, and that this alone inight interest many women. r Warts added tho only cost we occur would be time to set it up, and also sufrgested cooperatinf, with Hopkins and Edina in filling; buses,. therefore cutting costs there � also. ' ORGAIiIZI'D AT1!1,P',TICS Jerson o:pla.ino 1 these are money mal:inr; events geared for men and women. Dirort profrram costs nrr- reflected in the budget such as, officials, referees, and e�n.^um z1�le eurl:l.i.c t. supervision or clerical coots arc not included, and arH paid for throurh oxcoos rovenuo gene5rated from -this. program, which is in Cit-y General 1,'und. Nli.nutes - Parks, Rec., and Page Two Natural Resources Com. Approved August 25, 1975 ORGANIZED ATHLETICS (CONTtD) S The addition of a Softball Supervisor was discussed. Jessen said he would be hired for 8-10 hrs. per week for publicity and supervisory purposes. He added additional fees would have to be charged to absorb the $300 cost of adding this service. Choiniere requested breadkown of clerical and supervisory aspect of program. He felt there were resources available for the program to be self-supporting. Jessen said the program does not pay for every cost, including the maintenance of the fields. Anderson commented that in making entry fees too high, you will outprice the people you want to participate in the recreation program. Jessen added that all we are providing is the organization and upkeep of the fields, which is of general benefit to the community. --i Kingrey asked whether there would be a program for the young adults. Jessen said they had not done anything with this, because it was his understanding that it would { be worked out by EPAA. School Board rep., Al Upton, inquired whether there would l be any more ball fields available in order to put this program together. He request- ed volunteer help to get some fields together. RECREATIONAL SKILL DEVELOPMENT Helmer requested a breakdown of what was included in this program. Jessen explained that swimming lessons, tennis, golf, gymnastics, and horseback riding in the summer; with gardening under lights, macrame, and gymnastics offered in the hinter. He added these are self-supporting. SUMI-MR. PLAYGROUND , Jessen said Summer Fun Program operated at budget figures in terms of expenditures and revenues as estimated for 1975, in spite of reduced participation by elementary age children because of school operated Summer Adventure program. He added that the Tiny Tot program was highly successful and balanced out the revenue for the year. Al Upton apologized for the School Board, the conflict caused by the lack of communica- tion regarding the content of the Summer Adventure program. He added the general plan will be the same as past year, which was highly successful, and hopefully will be j funded by the State again. i Choiniere asked why program was restricted to certain areas. Werts responded we can only have the program where there is a site available. III Choiniere was concerned whether the program at Birch Island was working, because of J the traffic problem involved in getting to the site. Werts said there was more registra- tions there than at the Middle School, and that parents had formed car pools to drive the children. Kingrey suggested a 11crossing guard". Jessen responded that they had considered the 1 Public Safety Cadets, but Jack Hacking, Police Chief, had reservations about Cadets directing traffic. fie added that he would look into it further. Anderson added that he felt if sixth graders and junior high students could be used for "crossing guards", why eoudntt the Cadets. j Mdrrutes - Parks, Rec. and Page Three Natural Resources Coin. Mpproved August 25, 1975 I SU11-TER PLAYGROUND (CONT I D) f Worts commented that the Playground on Wheels has met with phenomenal success. She added we went to five neighborhoods that were further away from main play- grounds and the people were very receptive. Upton inquired as to cost of the wagon used for the Idobile Playgrounds. Werts responed ti>500, including labor. Choi.niere requested removing Birch Island as a playground site, and service it with a I.lobil.e Playground Unit instead. Jessen said this involves cutting down on j number of days recreation would be available. The Briar Hills program was discussed. Jessen explained that a meeting had been held between Land Tech, SRA, and the City to talk about recreational services. � SRA and Land Tech sponsored program and paid the bills, while the City helped in setting up and supervision of leadership. He added there are about 100 children l in the 3 to 12 age group with no other recreational services. I : U ton su ested dropping the drama specialist and adding another Mobile playground P• gg- P� g specialist � P YES unit. Jessen said 15 additional sites are being considered, along with addition of another Mobile Playground Unit. I BEACH OPERATTONS There was discussion regarding purchase of canoe and developing boat .rental operation ( at Round Lake. Anderson felt Round Lnk e was too small.to encourage boat rental., `- andwould rather see fishing docks. Idost Commission members were not in favor of the addition of a boat ramp at Round Lake. Jessen explained that he has received many calls, especially from older citizens, asking for one, and he felt it was necessary for the senior citizens of our comruni;_v. Anderson requested hats and like-type swimming; ,suits for the lifeguards for the purpose of easy identification. He also questioned what type of P.A. System would be used. Jessen responded the hand held-bull horn type. Members agreed that 'the proposed picnic grills at ;50.00 each, permanently installed, for both Round and Bryant Lakes were a good thing. `!.`here was discum;ion of lifegunrd salaries, with possibility of adding a head guard of the managing; type, such as employed in other conznunities such as BloorlinUton for about M500. Choiniere felt ;LMOO was out of lino for water quality testing. *Jessen said it costs 0120 per test. Ile added they have _looked into all methods including State Health Dept., which will do one tort a year for a cora.;unity. lie said it is a necessary program, because of the number of people in such a small body of water, with no outlets. The necessity for a well at Bryant Lake was discussed. Jessen oxplained people go clsei-ihero when they find no water available. Minutes - Parks, Roe., and Page Pour Yatural Resources Com. Mapproved August 25, 1975 r BEACH OPERATIONS (CONTID) 1, There was discussion of boat launching fees. Penzel said there were a number of complaints that, fees were abnormally high. Jessen said the fees are reducing the use of Bryant Lake, and he suggested looking at eliminating power boating altogether, with use of lake for sailboats and canoes only. Penzel added you will have to consider rights of public vs. right of people who live on the lake. Anderson sur, -d the question of the use of Bryant Lake be put on the agenda.. Choiniere requested using; a ticket or brochure with explanation of services and a welcome to Eden Prairie printed on it. SLTIIOR CITIZENS I Jessen explained that Sub. Rec. Assoc. comes to areas to help in organizing leader- I ship of senior citizens. They provide specialized services for one or two meetings !' a month and special events. When their funding runs' out over a period of five years, the City will tape over the cost. He added there are about 58 participants. SKATING RIITK OPrRATION � Jessen explained that operation of the major rinks at Round Lake and forest Hills ' would continue. IIe added mini-rinks are included in general park maintenance budget. Choiniorre felt it should be in P,R, and NR Com. budget. Jessen said there are no direct costs that work in our area. Erickson felt the mini-rinks were an important park of the 'recreation program and also felt it should be listed in our budget. It was generally agreed that Jessen would initiate mini-rink pro cedings after approval of budget. Jessen commented that all items have been discussed, and asked for changes or codifica- tions. Upton suggested adding rough grading of ball diamonds in capital improvements. Choiniere .suggested approaching Chamber of Commerce or some of the industries. Kingrey said they are not I;etting the amount of contributions from industry that they wore used to. Donatod nkznpo:•rer was discussed. Jessen said they are exploring several options of roc. volunteer help. II. ADJOURI7bi119T Anderson moved to adjourn at 9:50. Kingrey seconded, and motion carried. Submitted by, Donna Stanley Recording; Secretary f f