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Parks and Recreation - 07/21/1975 1975 DULY 7, 21 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE C . AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, July 7, 1975 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Elizabeth Tracy, Brian Mikkelson and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services ROLL CALL I. MINUTES OF NNE 2, 1975 MEETING . (Previously distributed) MINUTES OF TUNE 16 , 1975 MEETING . (Attached) II. ORGANIZATION A. Proposed Bylaws (Previously distributed). C,. III. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Development Proposals 1. Parkview Patio: Apartments. B. Bryant Lake Park -+'Request for Funding Parcel 7. (Attachment) C. Master Plans for Metropolitan ,Council. IV. DISCUSSIONS j A. .1976 Budget Priorities. B. Gravel Pit Operations in the City. V. ADJOURNMENT•. A'Pproved C MINUTES PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL REsoVRCFS COMMISSION Monday, July 7, 1975 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION 14EMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Fenzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Mary Upton, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION ME4BER.S ABSENT: Paul Choiniere, Jerry Kingrey, Brian Mikkelson, and Elizabeth Tracy- OTHERS PRESENT: Gene Moore, E.P. News, League of Women representative STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services The meeting was called to order at 7:35 PM by Chairman Marvin Erickson. I. MINUTES OF JUNE 2. 1975 MEETING Upton moved to approve minutes of June 2, 1975 as published. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. MINUTES OF JUNE 16, 1975 Anderson moved to approve minutes of June 16, 1975 as published. Fenzel seconded, motion carried unanimously. II. ORGANIZATION A. Proposed Bylaws Chairman Erickson requested that Jessen outline the Bylaws briefly. Jessen responded to Erickson's request. Upton inquired whether youth members could vote. Jessen replied affirmative. He added that ex-officio members would be kept up to date with mailings, communications, and other pertinent information on a regular basis. Bennett asked: whether the ex-officio members would be allowed to speak from the floor. Jessen responded that it would happen only at Chairman Erickson's reoDgnition. The matter of unexplained absences over a long period of time by a member was discussed. Minutes - Parks, Rea., and Page Two Natural Resources Com. July 7, 1975 Approved � I A. Proposed By-laws -(Cont'd Penzel felt the Commission should notify the Mayor and City Council of any long unexplained absences of a member of the Commission. He added that it should, in fact, be automatic after a certain number of meetings not attended. All members should receive a copy of the Bylaws, which spells out the committment which they have accepted. Helmer suggested informing the member simultaneously with the City Councilp as a matter of courtesy: yy It was generally agreed to limit the number of unexplained absences to four meetings. Garens arrived at this time and was filled in on proposed changes. A discussion followed on what constitutes a quorum and the calling of special meetings. Penzel suggested a five day written notice be sent of a special meeting called. Upton moved to adopt the proposed Bylaws, with the corrections as stated by the Commission at this meeting. Helmer seconded, motion carried unanimously. III. RECO1,1ENIDATIONS AND REPORTS A'. Parkview Patio Apartments Jessen reported that discussion has taken place with Mr. Peterson, but at this time, there is nothing further to report. All points have not been formulated. He added that this matter was up for Council. action. Penzel stated that the Planning Commission turned applicant down, and that it was also considered at last public hearing. Questions have been left unanswered, such as number of units, and direction of trail system. Jessen added that Peterson has been .very negative on the cash con- tribution aspect. Penzel said their-" application presently is for approval on total project and re-zoning only on first addition, which'consists of 128 rental. units. This proposal is in response to original PUD concept ` approval when it still contained original units and Shelter was the original owner. It is not devoid of a park, but how it should be developed. Minutes - Parks, Rec., and Page Three Natural Resources Com. July 7, 1975 Approved A. Parkview Patio Apartments (Cont'd)- MOTION 4 Helmer moved that the Commission approve the Staff recommendation of f= 662000 cash contribution of Parkview Patio Apartment Developers. Anderson seconded, motion carried with a vote of 3-1-3, with Upton cast- ing the dissenting vote, with Penzel, Bennett, and Garens abstaining. Bennett explained that the reason for her abstention was that she had a question regarding the location of the neighborhood facility. Jessen responded that there was some land dedicated and there would be a neighbor- hood facility, but it would not be appreciatly developed. Bennett stated that she felt we were delaying developers in what we were trying to do and was in favor of trying to ease these demands. 1 Discussion followed regarding alternate methods of collecting the cash contributions. Fenzel suggested park improvement assessment paid over a period of years, and should the property change Lands the land will be paid off. Jessen said he would check with other communities and find some alternatives in response to'.requests by Commission members. B. Bryant Lake Park - Request for Funding? Parcel 7 Jessen reported that a request had been made to transfer LAWCON funds from Parcel 1 to Parcel 7. It was looked upon favorably by State Planning Agency and Bureau of Outdoor Recreation and we should receive amendment stating the change. He added that appraisals should be secured in anti- cipation of the LAWCON grant amendment and potential '76 LAWCON Funding. MOTION Garens moved to recommend to the City Council that appraisals be secured for Parcel 7 (Horak Property) and Parcel g (Bren) at Bryant Lake Park. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. C. Master Plans for Metropolitan Council Jessen informed the Commission that Master Plans regarding Staring Lake, . Riley Lake, and Bryant Lake have to be submitted in order to receive LAWCON and State Natural Resources fundin.g. He explained briefly what was planned for each area and responded to questions regarding the areas. librickson asked whether Jessen would present the Master Plans personally. Jessen answered affirmative. Bennett asked what were guidelines determining size of park lands for a community. Jessen answered that standards are based mainly on what has been done, which is about 10-20 acres per thousand people. Minutes v Parks, Rea., and Page Four Natural Resources Com. July 7, 1975 Approved C. Master Plans for Metropolitan Council (Cont'd) Upton asked whether any communication had been received regarding the ball fields at Flying Cloud Airport. Jessen responded that he had talked to Mr. Bill Olson, Planning and Engineering, and that Ilr. Olson had indicated a willingness to allow a ten year lease, with a dis- claimer clause. Jessen said he would write a letter formulating the idea and present it at next Commission meeting. MOTION Garens moved that the Commission recommend to the Council that the memo of June 13, 1975 be used as Plaster Plan for Riley, Bryant, and Staring Lakes. Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. Jessen requested change of Agenda. Chairman Erickson turned the floor over to Commission member Anderson to present report of MPA tour of June 26. Minnesota Recreation and Park Association Tour Anderson commented briefly on the Community Education Bill, giving the school district 50 cents to a $1.00 more, after contacting recreation people for approval. He touched on coordination of trail concepts. The Metro Council did not get the money anticipated and coordination of ! trail systems is one item they are holding back on. If communities L. cooperate on this, there is money available, but not when a community goes it alone. He stressed that the initial push has to come from the Metro Council. He commented on a unique swimming pool and an impressive pavilion which was part of the tour. Equal rights for women in recrea- tion was discussed. Public recreation land cannot be segregated under sixth grade level. Girls will have to be allowed to try out for any sport according to law, with a few stipulations. Anderson closed his report with the last comment regarding the consideration of snowmobile trails/bicycle trails and a method of bringing funds back to the community ' through their use. 1V. DISCUSSIONS Upton inquired about comments she had heard about members of softball leagues playing in tournaments not being residents of Eden Prairie or working here. Jessen responded that the Industrial .League is not a problem because they police themselves pretty well, but the open leagues involved much controversy this past year. He added it should be much better next year. Chairman Erickson asked for volunteers to attend Community Growth Council meetings. He said he realized that the time of day the meet- ings are scheduled does make it difficult. Upton said she would try to attend the meetings as Corimiission representative. Minutes - Parks, Rea., and Page Five Natural Resources Com. July 7, 1975 Approved f' IV. DISCUSSIONS (CONTID) Penzel informed the Commission that the proposed film regarding Federal Wildlife Preserves would be shown for the Council on July S. He added that it was an informative type film, and would be shown to the Commission at a later date. B. Gravel Pit Operations in the Cit�r Jessen reported that gravel mines renewal is coming up before the Council and six people have requested renewal of licenses. He added d he had prepared information on gravel pits and asked Commission for any specific requirements to be put in report. Anderson commented that our hills are one of our finest natural re- sources and he suggested money should be set aside for restoration of w property and landscaping before permits are granted. He asked what the license fee was. Jessen responded�5O.00 to $50O. i Upton asked how it would be policed. Jessen answered by measuring cubic yards at the beginning of year and end of year to determine how much had been taken.-. He added that there is an, ordinance that re- quires a field inspection at the owner's cost. Helmer questioned the relevancy of the issue. Anderson responded that it involves our natural resources, which we are now formally charged with. Garens agreed with Anderson and considered gravel as a natural re- source. He suggested that the user pay gravel owner a fee toward restoration of area. He cited Yorktown by Southdale as an example. Jessen responded that restoration in that situation occurred because it turned commercial and not because of termination of mining. Bennett asked whether we are favoring putting the burden on the man making the profit. Jessen answered that it would generate revenue for the City. Anderson added that he feels they are taking some- thing from the community and are not returning anything. Bennett agreed that a reasonable amount would be justified. A. 1976 Budeet Priorities Jessen informed the Commission that he put this matter on the Agenda with a clean slate, and is open to any suggestions individually or collectively. The first meeting is on July 23, and he would like some ideas on new or old programs, the how and the whys, approximate expenditures, and zsxpansion of any ideas. Upton suggested eliminating fees for swimming at Round Lake and Bryant i Lake for next year, or charge for tennis, hockey, and other activities. Minutes — Parks, Rea., and { Page Six � Natural Resources Com. July ?, 1975 j Approved I 1976 Budget Priorities (Cont�d) Fenzel said one thing that took—him by surprise was the sudden emergence of the Summer Adventure program offered by the school district, which threw the City programs into disarray. Faced with competition and due"to finances, it could not be met and money-is being spent less wisely because of the sudden programs. He added that a wcek or two notice would have been helpful. Bennett said she was sorry this happened and stressed'.how important it was to have more communication between the two bodies. She, for one, did not realize there would be competition between the programs. Fenzel suggested exchanging minutes. Bennett said she would bring this back to the School Board. Upton asked about the teen activity program at the school. Jessen said there was a lack of interest, and felt it might be because of lack of publicity of information. Anderson suggested upgrading swimming equipment and beach operation. He inquired whether standardized rules and procedures were used by the lifeguards. Jessen answered affirmative. Helmer felt we should include in the budget monies for mini parks, ball fields, etc. in case bond issue does not pass. Bennett commented that whether or not the bond issue passes will have a lot C- of bearing on next year's budget. Jessen referred members to memo of May 30, 1975 regarding discussion of fees and charges and asked them to study it and respond by the end of the week either individually or collectively. Vim. ADJOURM4ENT Garens moved to adjourn at 9t1+5 PM. Penzel seconded, motion carried unanimously. MJtds _ „� . N AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, July 21, 1975 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Markin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens , Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere , Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey,, Brian Mikkelson, Elizabeth Tracy, Steve Fifie ld, Ex-Offic io Y COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Service s ROLL CALL I'. APPROVAL OF AGENDA II. MINUTES OF JULY 7,1975 MEETING III. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None IV. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. 1976 Budget 1st Draft B. Gravel Operations Report C. Revisions to "Park Dedication" Requirements D. Proposed Flying Cloud Field Expansion V. OLD BUSINESS VI. NEW BUSINESS VII. ADJOURNMENT r Aapproved M I N U T E S PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, July 21, 1975 7:30 PM,CITY HALL COMMISSION IM4BERS PRESENT;. Chairman Marvin Erickson, Vi�.�.,'U.am Garens, Wolfgang Penzel, Paul Choiniere, Dorothy Bennett, Brian Mikkelson, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION I,04BERS ABSEATT: Francis Bel ner, Richard Anderson, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, and Elizabeth Tracy C0114ISSION STAFF 1,114BLRS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Sandy Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor s.. OTHERS PRESENT: Edward Pierce, Gene Idoore, E.P. News The meeting was called to order by Chairman Erickson at 7:45 PM. I. AVPROVAL OF AGENDA Jossen requested the addition of two items under New Business. 1. Lake Minnewashta Regional Park Schematic Plan 2. Homart Sign Request Garens requested one item be added to Old Business. 1. Community' Gardens Garens moved to approve the Agenda. Penzel seconded. Motion carried unanimously. II. 1411TUTES OF JUTY 7, 1975 I- STING 4 Page two, Last para., Delete first sentence "Penzel proposal." second sentence, Add "Penzel said". Page threo, Para. one, Doloto"$6500,"Add "Q;62,500tl. Pcr_zel. moved -to adopt minutes of. July 7, 1975 as amended. Bennett seconded. , t Notion corried., with Choiniere abstaining. ' j III, PF"1'l:Tl(�IiS,, Iil;;1]I:3TS MID CO1.11UId1CATTONS � r None 1V. R.}s1.U1-!1'BNDATI011S AND REPORTS A. 1.976 Budnet I ntt Daft ( Jossen prozuntcd discussion of programsL for 1976 Budget for the COMni.saion'3 Consideration. Ile said.he was open to any ideas on programs to be dropped or included. Ile added there are four areas of budget Minutes - Parks, Rec., 'and Page Two Natural Resources Com. July 21, 1975 r'�t A. 1976 Budget Lent Draft (Cont'd) where most of the latitude is and can be. These are Special Events, which could include as new prograrnss Open Gyms, Ladies Day Out, Ladies Ski Club, Ladies Tennis Club, and expanded band concert series. Events that could be retained would be the E.P. Cooler, Punt, Pass and Kick, Cross Country Ski Race, Community Band, Track and field meet, Schooner Days, and Fourth of July activities. He continued by asking for Commission_ support in the estab- lishment of an E.P. Society for the Arts„ with Commmanity support and help. He added that we could not budget much money for this purpose but was counting on volunteer hale. Garens asked whether it wasn't usually sponsored by business. Jessen said this has been done, and they would work towards this. Bennett ell resnod her approval of the idea and added that many people have said they would welcome such a program and would be willing to help. She added if these people would work as hard on this as the hockey people did f for a hockey program, it certainly should be possible to work it out. Jessen responded to questiorn regarding; any problems with the Cooler, the cost I for track and field meet, and 1-ir. Wil.helm's part in the recreation program. Jessen said Wilhelm, of Community Education, was mostly involved in skill building and educational typo courses, such as oil painting and typing. He coordinated the L.P. in Action weekend and schedules building space for diffcrer"", activities etc.. ,,! Choiniere asked whether the Community Band was tied in with the band concert series. Jessen answered that the band concerts are provided exclusively by the Copurmnity Band. he added it is a favorite type of activity and several members of a family can be involved. The membership is up to fifty people, and is the largost it has ever been. Worts added that Edina has a Cornmuni.ty Band and has talked with them about an exchange of concerts. Jessen suggested bringing in a professional. group occasionally, and this has been done and been well received. Choiniere stated his opinion that he was not in favor of the"Ladies Day Out" idea, because he did not feel it applied to the recreation program. He said he did like the band concert series idea and the "open gym", because it made good uao of our schools and gave the kids a good place to go. Warts ox-plained the"Ladies Ski Club" idea. Transportation to a ski area, rental of equipment, lunch, and supervised child care would be offered in a packaga, with the idea that it would offer an opportunity to meet other women. She added that it has been very successful in other corrmunitios. .rho cxnlained that the "Women's ` cnnis Club" would involve some informal instruatio�n, child care by the Teen Work program, and possibly a tournament with awards. Choiniere did not feel we needed somcj of those now programs when budget priori- ��k ties have not met all of the needs of the kids in our community. g Qf Erickson commented that these are only proposed programs, and will not necessari- ly Lc put into affect. Minutes - Parks, Rec, and Page Three Natural Resources Com. July 21, 1975 C A. 1276 Budget 1st Draft Conttd) Penzel requested a brief description of what each of these events mean by Jessen. He felt it was hard to act on the presentation only. Jessen said I he would prepare this, but tonight wanted feedback on different parts so he could grrnerato program descriptions and better money figures. k Choiniere asked about a Women's Golf Club. Jessen responded that Edenvale offers a reduced rate that the City could not beat. Jesson turned over the floor to Sandy Worts to explain the Summer Playground program. Worts said there were three options, which included Summer Fun - D two days of scheduled activities, with one day for a trip; Tiny Tots - which has been highly successful; and Summer Explorer - geared for 10 and 11 year olds. She added they were considering adding more hours, either in the even- ings or, r..eseheduling of hours. Worts commented on the Mobile Playgrounds, which has been very successful also, and said they were trying for some new playground sites. Birch Island site was discussed, and it was felt the loca- tion was bad because of the access and that most mothers were hesitant on sending their children because of the traffic. Bennett informed the Commission that she had brought up the conflict in -the Summer Fun and Suimner Adventure programs before the School Board, and they had assured her this would not happen again. Bennett said they just hadn't realized that this would happen. Jessen commented that the Summer Fun program would be more like a traditional playground, where the kids come and go, and would be a different service than -the summer school Adventure program. Be said the schools were in a better position to offer this type of program because of State Aid. Bennett conunented that the teen work program was receiving good comments from parent: and kids. Wertz added there is limited participation because of not enough jobs available. Choiniere suggested adding L,ochanburn to playground sites. It was requested that the Scenic Heights area and South Red Rock area also be added. t` Jesson contim ed with third area "Teen Activities, which included the teen wort: program and school year activities for Middle School and Iligh School kids. Ile said they could like to expand the teen work program to fifty participants; there aro 37 this year. Bennett inquired about contacting businesses for ;jobs to be done. Jessen replied that they had tried this and roceived "zero" response because of �. liability otc.. Ile added they have the kids working at the ranch painting, and dosing odd jobs, and at the pl.aygrolinds. He said,regarding the school yerir activiltie,^, they would .like to develop a steering committee, and would alr>o want to work with EPAA to sot up softball league for young people in the 14•-18 ,Yo-ar afro group. Minutes - Parks, Recreation and Page Four Natural Resources Com. July 21, 1975 A. 1.976 Budget 1st Draft (Conttd) Bennett asked whether we could approach Homart about giving us some space for a teen coffee shop in the new shopping center, where kids could share their talent and soft drinks could be served. She felt there was a real need for kids under eighteen to have a place to go and just meet their friends. She asked for comments. Choiniere asked whether this would be during school year also. Bennett answered affirmative, because kids go out, regardless of whether it is a school night or not. Choiniere added that Glen Lake tried a place like that, which failed because of leadership. Mildcelson comirentod that it t,rouldntt work unless you had a person run it who leas neither "square" or the exact opposite, and who could keep it clean. Choiniere suggested it be open to parents too. tfdRkelson agreed with that idea. Jessen said he would look into it. Jessen went on to the fourth area, which was Beach Operations. He said they were hiring another lifeguard, purchasing some new equipment, and making iTn- provemonts to beach house, raft and dock at Round Lake. At Bryant Lake the entry ;ate wniild be :improved, boat maintenance also, and proposing drilling u of a well. Choiniere suggested having the Voe-Tech students work on the boat maintenance. Jessen agreed that it was a good possibility. Jeso;en referred members to iaemo of May 30, 1975 on Discussion of lees and Cha.vges, and said the rationale for originally charging .fees was a good one, that of the user paying; to use facilities. He added this summer has genera- ted good revenue fees because of the high temperatures. Choiniere stated his position that because of our tax base, the people of E.P. are entitled to beach use without paying again. He added, that we have provided bike patbs for the kids to got over to Round Lake but have defeated our purpose by charging them for swiiiuning. Werts asked about non-residents. Choiniere felt they should pay a fee. Werts said we would hnvo to come up with a better method of differentiating between residents and non-residents and would cost the City. Jessen commented there is a question of what is consistent. lie said Commission has to set the pol.ic;r for the City. Ho added that we could get to a point of spcndi.ng more money collec•t-inr; fees from non--residents than what we are taking in. lie pointed out that 13rynnt Lake is a regional park and according to a previous poll, more non-residents than residents wore counted. Bonnott ;stated hor position that she would like to see free swimming as a policy, wither, than a: l:onoxi v a 'uk:i Club. • I hIi.nutes - Parks, Rea., and Page Five Natural Resources Com. July 21, 1975 i A. 1.976 Budget 1st Draft (Cont'd) Garens said he would like to see us budget with no fees at Round Lake, with fees charged for non-residents at Bryant Lake. Penzel was concerned about whether i•ro should trade existing programs for purpose of no fees at beaches. Jessen continued with the mini-rink program and tree disease program. Choiniere asked what kind of program do we have, and thought most of the diseased trees were dead. Jesson responded that the percentage of trees that have died 9.n this area is extremely low. State legislation states we must provide a tree disease program that includes inspection of entire comrmnity two tames a year and removal of trees within 20 days. He added that he felt WO should change emphasis and go into a more comprehensive plan for tree plant- ing, and investing in equipment for good forestry programs. He added that we need a better system for park maintenance. No Action Required. B. Gravel Operations Report Jessen referred to information offered by Ed Pierce regarding gravel operations. He said there is an Ordinance for reclamation and that consultants for field work have'.to.be'a part of buying license under that Ordinance. Jessen added -that gravel operators do not comply with term of Ordinance. He said that it is impossible to levy a yardage or tonnage tax, but we can modify fees, which we are looking into further. No Action Required. C. Revisions to "Par1c Dediention" Requirements Jesson requested this item be tabled to Aug. 18 meeting. Bennett stated that she felt this should be a priority item and should be { settled as soon as possible. She added this is City's responsibility to have - this planned, and developers will know what their responsibilities are. 4 Penzol said that alternatives are being loo}:ed into and a recommendation will be coming; soon. Discussion followed regarding the financing of park improvements. Penzel said our present ratio of assessment has been applied to all properties regardless of zoning;, according to Minnesota law. Choinier.e did not feel the City's present policy was fair and felt we wore going too far to accomodate developers. i Tabled until August 1.8, 1975 meeting. D. Proposed FIN-inr, Cloud Field Expansion Jessen reported that he has not hoard from Ifs. Olson, Director of Planning & Enginccrl.ng, in ronponso to his letter. of July 8, regarding securing a 'long tcrral' lease for the MAG land used for park and playground activitiod at Flying Cloud.. Iie asked if Commission *ranted to take any other action, and referred to upcol:.qinr; public meeting. No Action Roquirod. 1 Minutes - Parks, Rec., and Page Six Natural Resources Com. July 21, 1975 J V. OLD BUSINESS A. CoTmiunity Gardens - Report by Garens.. Garens reported they were going to have a problem with inadequate water supply. They have only two fifty-five gallon tanks and would like to get the cooperation of the Idaintenance Dept. for more water. He added that people have paid money for a plot with the promise of fertilizer and water being provided. Garens continued that it has been a tough year for gardens, especially because this spot is a natural drainage area and many of the gardens were washed out. Bennett asked about other land available. Jessen said they are moving to another parcel, with the possibility of being closer to Reading Center. Garens requested. that Jessen check with Public Safety Dept. on allowing an access at harvest time. Jessen said Reading Center was opposed to that idea, but suggested checking into having a key for the gate accessible for garden plot owners only, to be kept at beach house. L V1. ITEM BUSINEISS A. Lake 14,innewashta Rer_li.onal- Pnrl: Schematic Plan Jessen reported he had received information from Chanhassen regarding consideration of a regional park at Lahe I4i.nnewashta, He added it was , sent for the purpose of communication and requested comments from the City of Eden Prairie. i Choiniere commented that it was a fantastic camping; area and that he had been there with boy scouts. Ile added they should do everything they can to obtain and develop it. It will provide a part: for surrounding areas as they develop. Garens inquired whether we sent Lake Rilcv plan over to them. Jessen said we have had communication with Chanhassen and that we will be sanding 'them a copy of the 1•laster Plan the Commission approved recently. Ponzol ouggested sending out information to Commission members. No Action Required. B. llomnr.•t S9.r-,n Recriost Josson explained it involves land we acquired from NSP and is located along Iiighway 494 and Nine-1•Sile Creek. Ile said Ilomart is desirous of constructing a temporary directional sign until Ring Route is completed, on a 050.00 per month rental. bas'i;3. Choinioro :inquired as to the purpose of the gift from NSP. Jessen respond) that it was open space dedication. V Minutes - Parks, Rec, and Page SevenJuly 21,1975 Natural Resources Come i V. N1-'Gi HUSIIIESS CO1dT'D)_ Be Homart SirZn Reeuest_(Cont'd Penzel said the matter was brought up before the Council as an overall signage program and the Council did authorize four directional signs to be placed because of insignificant road development and the great �hieffi• culties people would be faced with trying to get to the Center. signs would be terminated by 1976, because the roads would be completed at that time. Garens inquired as to contents of present Ordinance regarding this matter. Ponzel responded that it specifically does not provide for highway signs, but it does provide for hardship cases. The Council provided the committ-- i ment only on a temporary basis, and it must be strictly directional and ! not for advertising purposes. Iie added it is much smaller than a conven- tional billboard and is subject to renegotiation. Choiniere said he could go along with it if they would include methods of taking it down at their expense. i 1 1�:0� TION ' l Garens moved to recommend to the Council that the request by liomart for construction of a directional sign on site located along Highway 494 and Nine-ilile Creep, for a rental fee of 4;�50.00 per month, meets Vith the Commission's approval, on the condition it would be on a temporary basis until Doc. 31, 1976,or before,if Ring Route is completed and that a bond guaranteeinn cost of removal be provided by Homart. Choiniere seconded, and the motion carried unanimously. Choiniere requested a summary of expenditures on Round Lake since it was started, including, acryllistion, capital improvements, operation costs, and the usage, to be pat, together by Jossen. Jossen offered to give Choiniere acquisition and development figures to- night and said the breakdown would be very difficult because of being combined with other figures. Garens said Since it would cost tali dollars and time, he would like to know the roation for the request. Choiniere answered that it was for per- sonal reuoon;,, so he would be able to respond to questions from various people regarding Round Lalcea Garens stated his opposition to this request, because he considered it a wasto of time and energy. Krick,^on said Round Lake had been designated as a major park center and monoy has boon roconnnendul ,and added that this question has never been broutdit up to him in all. •L•hese years. Ile said if it is a personal action, lie cannot act on the request. Rec. and Page Eight Minutes — Parks, , July 21, 19-15 Natural Resources Come V. NS''d BUSIIESS (CONTID) Bennett suggested that the bond issue will show the true corzmtnity feelings and to wait the outcome of the bond issue. V1. QJJOURNI2ENT Garens moved -to adjourn at 10:10 PIA. Penzel seconded and the motion carried. i Submitted by Donna Stanley- Recording Secretary