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Parks and Recreation - 04/21/1975 1975 APRIL 7 , 21 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE 17 AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION Monday, April �, 1975 Eden Prairie City Hall , 7:30p.m. COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel , Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, Dorothy'Bennett, William Garens', Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Brian Mikkelson, Elizabeth Tracy and Steve Fifield, Ex- Officio. COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Community Service Director ROLL CALL I. Minutes for January 20, 1975. - Mi nutes for F�bruar.y__3, Minui:es for March 3, 1975. �1inutes for Iiarch 17, 19%5. Minutes for Porch 31 , 1975. II . PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COM•IUNICATIONS A. Joint [,letting 4/10/75 with CityCouncil at 7:30 p. m. at City flail . B. Request for Tennis Court scheduling for Eden Prairie High School .. III . RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Edengate. Development Proposal (Attached) B. Equestrian Center Management Program (Attached) C. Scenic Heights Road Improvement - Consideration of' Bikeway/l-likeway Standards. D. Mitchell Lake Estates (Previously Distributed) E. Recreation Pro ranimin 1 . Community Gardens (Previously Distributed) 2. 1975 Beach Operations Proyram (Previously Distributed) IV. DISCUSSION A. Presentation to Council of C. I.P. V. ADJOURNMENT .'approved M I N U T E S EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MONDAY, APRIL 7, 1975 700 PM CITY HALL CO10aSSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Richard Anderson, Dorothy Bennett, William Garens, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Brian Mikkelson, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio. C01YR4ISSION bU MBERS ABSENTS Francis Helmer and Elizabeth Tracy STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Community Service Director OTHERS PRESENTS Mr. & Mrs. Allan Lauver, Steven Peterson, Bob Mavis, Glenn W. Keller, Richard Ehlen, Mr. & Mrs. J. Cvetnie, H. N. Miller, J. Mi.sehel, George Schroers, Mr. & Mr. 0. Teiher, Frank K. Burg, Jr., Consulting Engineer, Gerald Pautz, Owner/Developer Edenga,te Townhouses, Jeff Pederson, E.P. News, Lynne Forster, League of Women Voters, John Ryski, Robert Krue11, Dale Lommen, • Pres. of EPAA, R. Emahiser, R. Strohkirch Chairman Erickson called the meeting to order. at 7F40 PM. I. I4INUTES OF JANUARY 20, 1975 Bennett moved to accept minutes as printed. Upton seconded. Motion carried unanimously. MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 3. ,1275 SECTION II, Pg. 1, Para. 1,Delete "Flying Cloud", add "Prairie View". " Pg. 3, ° 5, last sentence, Insert "not" after "could". it Pg. 5, 4, sentence 7, Delete "bubble", add "hockey rink". " Pg. 5, It 5, Delete 114 yes, 1 no by Choiniere, and 1 abstention by Anderson", Add " 5 yay, 1 nay by Choiniere. Anderson recalled vote and asked for abstention chang. the vote to 4 yay, 1 nay, 1 abstention". SECTION II, Pg. 5, Para. 6, Delete paragraph. SECTION III, " 5, Delete paragraph. Choiniere requested clarification of quorum procedure when some members have to leave the meeting early. Jessen said once a quorum is established, business can still be conducted if there is a loss of members. Chairman Erickson postponed approval of remainder of minutes until the next meeting, and asked members to be at City Hall at 7:00 PId to achieve this. approved Minutes - Park & Rea. Page Two Commission April 79 1975 �.F II. PETITIONS, REQT]ESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Joint Meeting with City Council Jensen confirmed the joint meeting with the City Council for April 10, 1975 at City Hall. B. Request for tennis court scheduling for E. P. _High School Mr. John Ryski presented request for tennis courts scheduling to include 35-4.0 boys and girls. MOTION Anderson moved to allow the school to use the tennis courts from 2:45 PM to 5:30 PM weekdays until June 8. Bennett seconded and .the motion carried. III. RECOI•MiNDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Eden ate Development' Proposal Jessen commented that basically there are some conflicts with the proposal and Purgatory Creek study and presented factors affecting this proposal. He reviewed former Edengate proposal and presented recommendations of the Staff, in response to motion passed by Commission requesting further study of this area. (Staff report of April 4, 1975) Bennett asked whether there was ever a time when the possibility of C_ purchasing Cedar Hills was considered. Erickson said it has been considered but they had turned us down. Bennett added that she felt it would be reasonable to acquire it because the facility is already there. Jessen said Commission studied it last Fall, and the asking price at that time and what we could afford to pay was far apart. Upton asked if proposed 80 acres of dedicated land could be left wild. Jessen said open space was mentioned by developer as purpose of dedicated land. Anderson asked if it was left for public open space, at a later day, could it be discussed for a golf course. Jessen answered yes. Upton asked if the 80 acres was all marsh. Jessen said it is basically flood plain land, with the exception of a small area. Upton. asked whether the developer would be willing to dedicate buildable land to the City. Mr. Pautz, owner/developer Edengate Townhouses, answered they would dedicate 6 acres in the buffer area. MOTION Anderson moved that we accept the recommendation of Staff on the Edengate Development, with the Staff working with the builder on the crossings of the parkway and entrance access way to the developrhent. Garens seconded for purpose of discussion. Motion was defeated"with 1 yay, 1 abstontion by Garens, and all other nay.. r ,►approved Minutes & Rec. Page Three Commission April 7, 1975 A. Edengate Development Proposal (Cont�d) Mr. Robert Kruell, of the Lochanburn area, acting as spokesman for residents in that area, referred to statement presented at previous meet- ing of 3/17/75 stating their concerns and suggestions. Upton asked about Staff recommendation no. 2. Jessen answered that it means we attempt to acquire through dedication. Acquisition means different forms of getting land. MOTION Choiniere•moved that in _lieu of the 80 acres proposed dedication land that we request the Edengate Developers .to provide a neighborhood facility in the Lochanburn-Edengate sector of 12 to 15 acres, in order to provide those uses to fulfill the population densities of that area. Bennett seconded the motion, which was defeated, with Choiniere casting the only yay vote. Pautz commented that we have 37 acres of buildable land, and 12 of those ` acres would be 34%. They have proposed 6 acres of buildable land,which is already in the 15% range. According to *City stipulations, this is adequate. Bennett asked what the mimimum acreage was for a neighborhood facility. Jessen answered that 10 acres was minimum, but that 25 acres was a better• figure, according to classification system. CKruell referred to a possible funding source for the golf course mentioned at previous meeting and asked whether that would be of any interest to the Commission. Jessen said that source does exist, but it has not been used previously in this State for golf courses. Bennett asked whether there was any other land that could be used for neighbor- hood facility. Jessen pointed out two sites in the NW section that could serve that purpose. Jessen said the City can request a reasonable amount of land for dedication purposes or cash in lieu of land. There is no mandate to accept one or other and should be mutually agreeable. He added that the golf course study and Purgatory Creek study are both acceptable. MOTION Bennett made the motion to accept the 80 acres of dedicated land for open space and work with the Staff and developer for a cash dedication toward the purchase of land for neighborhood facility use.. Upton seconded. The motion carried with a vote of 7-2, with Choiniere and Kingrey casting the dissenting votes. Pautz commented that the land available is not suitable for a neighborhood facility. Kingrey asked for comments from the residents present. Kruell said he feels the problem refers to Lochanburn land being developed without the 40 acres being; planned for. He feels that when the word goes out that the City wants to buy land, the price will go up. He added that a run-off pond would be needed. r �iapproved Minutes - Park & Roc. Page Four April 7, 1975 Commission A. Edengate Development Proposal (Contld� 11r. Joe Mischel said the residents of Lochanbrun aready use it as'a playground and for all open space purposes. He felt that a park should come first, than a development. Pautz said the land is not suited to provide both kinds of recreational facilities. Mr. Dale Lommen, Pres. of EPAA, commented that there ,are only a few ball diamonds and you can drive by anytime but the only activity you will see is organized sports. He added that children just running over to play ball does not exist. The fields are empty most of the time. Choiniere commented that some of the people who attended meetinEPfor recrea- tional facilities want them for unorganized use because they are not available. Penzel asked the Commission to direct the motion toCouncil as to what amount is intended. Jessen said he will submit information for Commission at the next meeting for guidelines. Chairman Erickson directed meeting to Mitchell Lake! Estates. B. t•'Li.tchell Lake Estates Jessen referred to the two recommendations proposed in March basically in response to the Mitchell Lake Estates. He added that the Planning Com. and Staff recommend turning it.down. There are just too many problems. MOTION Upton moved that the Commission turn down the Mitchell Lake Estates develop- ment proposal, based on the Staff recommendation of March 17, 1975. Anderson seconded and the motion carried unanimously. MOTION -'* ' " *''� f, we -stand derson moved thata Q fitco--tom vase,�i3.�3�-baker--Z�ti�eh-e-ll-Zake-�-Riley--Cr-self--Up3�md-i'o-nzi�s-aad_ corridors-between-these-area nl� Bennett seconded and the motion carried unanimously. � ,�/r a Bennett asked how this land will affect tax base. She felt that the tax v assessed and being collected will be important at this time. Anderson commented that land value has been increasing around the lake areas in Minneapolis, and that being close to. a park area increases the value of the land. ' Chairman Erickson directed the meeting to discussion of presentation of C.I.P. to the Council on April 10. He asked what are we asking for and how united are we in this presentation. Fenzel suggested the Commission have one position and be able to defend that ( 1 stand. He said the Council wants to know whether you have a date in mind and all the specifics to be considered. Approved I' Minutes - Park & Rec. Page Four � . Commission April 7, 1975 A. Eden ate Develo ent Pro s 21_1Cont'djand Mr. Joe Mischel said the residents of Lochanburn already use it as a playground and for all open space purposes. He felt that a park should come first, than a development. Pautz said the land is not suited to provide both kinds of recreational facilities. Mr. Dale Locomen, Pres. of EPAA, commented that there are only a few ball diamonds and you can drive by anytime but the only activity you will see is organized sports. He added that children just running over to play ball does not exist. The fieldsare empty most of the time. Choinie.re commented that some of the people who attended meetings for recrea- tional facilities want them for unorganized use because they are not available. Penzel asked the Conunission to direct the motion to Council as to what amount is intended. Jessen said he will submit information for Commission at the next meeting for guidelines. Chairman Erickson directed meeting to Mitchell Lake Estates. B. Mitchell Lake Estates Jessen referred to the two recommendations proposed in March basically in response to the Mitchell Lake Estates. He added that the Planning Com. and Staff recommend turning it down. There are just too many problems. MO_TION Upton moved that the Commission turn down the Mitchell Lake Estates develop- ment proposal, based on the Staff recommendation of March 17, 1975. Anderson seconded and the motion carried unanimously. MOTION Anderson moved that we accept the Staff recommendation of the Rice Marsh Lake, Riley Lake, Mitchell Lake, Riley Creek, Upland Ponds and corridors between these areas as pertaining to the Mitchell/Riley Lake Sector plan. Bennett seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Bennett asked how this land will affect tax base. She felt that the tax assessed and being collected will be important at this time. Anderson commented that land value has been increasing around the lake areas in Minneapolis, and that being close to a park area increases the value of the land. Chairman Erickson directed the meeting to discussion of presentation of C.I.P. to the Council on April 10. He asked what are we asking for and how united are we in this presentation. Penzel suggested the Commission have one position and be able to defend that stand. He said the Council. wants to know whether you have a date in mind and all the specifics to be considered. ,approved Minutes - Park & Rec. Page Five Commission April 7, 1975 {{ I Jessen commented on-the question of the swimming pool. He feels the swimming pool question should have an answer to be given to the Council. Choiniere questioned the abstention procedure. Jessen said if there is a decision stated by the Chairperson, it is final. Penzel suggested if the Commission needed further clarification, it could be brought up with the City Attorney as to the legal interpretation of Robert's Rules. He added that the Commission should consider the majority vote their stand, and should stand united. Discussion continued regarding specifics of neighborhood facility sites. Penzel ' suggosted not-mentioning specific sites, but stating sector sites. He added that the Council will present a sector map, with the details not defined at the time. Several members of the Commission commented that 'a'_one issue bond referendum had not been discussed. Garens said that in view of the fact that it was not brought _ up, he would continue to support the motion. Jessen has received calls and inpau and has mixed emotion's, but feels that we I have discussad• the one issue bond. He added that he will make up recommendation according to motion passed a. week ago. Mr. Cvetnic asked whether the Commission wanted the hockey people there. Erickson said it was an open meeting and they were welcome. Cvetnic asked who would. make the presentation. Jessen answered that he would. C_ Chairman Erickson turned the meeting over to Vice-Chairperson Upton. C. Eruestrian Center I,'.ana�event Pro"—am Jessen referred to report on Rock Isle Ranch equestrian center management program. Choiniere asked what had prompted this report. Jessen said the deadline date of June 1 is coming up soon, with the Council wanting to know what is to be done. Choiniere asked what the figures were based on. Jessen said information j gathered, phone calls, and communication with other stables. It is the best 1 we can obtain and interpret. Choiniere and Bennett did not feel the expenses listed were realistic and felt they would run more. Choiniere said he had talked to people about managing and they would need a 1 fixed income, .but would also get income from training aspect of the program, which is 'on a privdte :ontractual agreement. Jessen said that basically the operations are self-operative leased. He feels the private sector believes the boarding facilities can be operated on a "stay-even" basis and this can be developed into instruction etc. later. Choiniere asked about insurance rates. Jessen said present boarding•operations will keep insurance rates pretty much as they are, but when you get into riding instuctions etc. that will greatly increase insurance rates. i i t1 � 1 approved _ Minutes - Park & Rec. April 7, 1975 Commission Page Six CFI Upton questioned Jessen about the accuracy of public riding. She felt the horses will not be used 22 hours per week and especially irr the winter. Jessen said it was a projected figure. Upton question the $1.50 a day per horse for feeding and bedding. Jessen said he received figures from 1,1r. Kiesner from Malkerson Stable. It depended on the quality of hay and the balance of the feed program. MOTION Garens moved to adopt a minimal boarding program on a one year term to be managed by the City, so it pays for itself as it goes along, without involving rentals. Motion died for lack of a second. Bennett was concerned about who would have time to supervise it adequately and how long of a lease would you give to someone. Jessen said he didn't know, but if it were himself, he would want it to be 5-7 years. MOTION Bennett made the motion to look into possibility of finding someone good to lease from 3-5 years. Bennett amended the motion to read to lot Staff look into possibility of leasing and bring a recommendation to the Commission and Council. Choiniere seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. Jessen called for a point of clarification. What kind of lease and what would be included. He asked whether are should define the terms or let people come in on their own terms. D. Recreation Proa*ramminp 1. Community Gardens Jessen commented that it had been advertised and he had about 20 calls. They see it as a self-sustaining operation. MOTION Choiniere moved to accept the Community Garden recommendation, so it can be Implemented by the Staff. Kingrey seconded and the motion carried unanimously. 2. 1975 Beach Operations Anderson moved to table the 1975 beach operations program. Choiniere seconded it and the motion carried unanimously. E. Scenic Heights Road Improvement-Consideration of Bikeway/hikewav standards Jessen reported that the •Council will consider feasibility report at next meeting, including the possibility of bikeway/hikewav construction. Choiniere asked how the cost was assessed. Jessen said through a State Aid Improve. Pro gram. 140TION Anderson moved torn ahead with recommendation for bikeimy-hikeway trail along Scenic Heights road. Choiniere seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. IV. ADJO1112N1•ENT Choiniere moved to adjourn at 12:00 AM. Anderson seconded and the motion carried. MJ:ds _ r AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION Monday, April 21 , 1975 7:30 p.m. , City Hall COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel , Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, Dorothy Bennett, William Garens, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Elizabeth Tracy, Brian Mikkelson and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio. COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services ROLL CALL I. Minutes of March 3, 1975 meeting. Minutes of March 17, 1975 meeting. Minutes of March 31 , 1975 meeting. Minutes of April 7, 1975 meeting. II. ORGANIZATION A. Consideration of Revised Ordinance for a Park, Recreation and Natural Resource Commission. (Previously Distributed) III. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Letter from Riley-Purgatory Creek Watershed District regarding water quality study of Round Lake. (Attached) IV. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Recreation Program Report 1 . 1975 Beach Operations Program (Previously Distributed) 2. Community Theatre (Attached) B. Report on status of Picnic Pavillion -to be constructed at Round Lake Park. (Attached) C. Development Proposals 1 . Preserve Commercial Center - Plat two--Refinement to Area A (Attached) V. DISCUSSION A. Consideration of revising certain provisions of City Ordinances requiring Park Land dedication or Cash-in-Lieu of land. VI. ADJOURNMENT 1_ -ttLpproved M I N U T E S % EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION .jNDAY, APRIL, 21, 1975 7:30 Pbl CITY HALL COI-IIISSION ITZIBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Dorothy Bennett, Mary Upton, Richard Anderson, Brian Mikkelson, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION 1,04BI-M ABSENT: Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Paul Choiniere, and Elizabeth Tracy STAFF 104BERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services OTHERS 11R1ESENT: Loran Galpin, Developement Concepts Inc., Steffanie Conley, E.P. News, Terry Eggan, Don Hess, Presarve, Pastor Gary Peterson of Immanuel Lutheran Church Chairman Erickson called the meeting to order at 7:30 PM. I. MINUT.RS OF MARCH 3L 1975 M1'ETTNG PAGE 10, Para. 2, add "skating or" after "charging for". Anderson moved to accept minutes of_ Idarch 3, 1975 as corrected. Garens C- I seconded and the motion carried. MINUTES OF MARCH 17, 1975 i•M' ,TING PAGE 3, Para. 9, Sentence 2, delete °limiting", add °limited to". " 4, Sec. 2, Para. 1, Sentence 5, delete "3611, add 1146". if 4, it 2, It 3, delei;l,, last 3 sentences, add "was to remain as open space in order to obtain the development concept as proposed." PAGE A., Sec. 2, Para. 3, Sentence 1, delete "there was". Garens moved to accept minutes of March 17, 1975 as corrected. Anderson seconded and the motion carried. MINIITES Or MARCH 3l, 1.975 14 EETING PAGE 1, Para. 3, delete "Garens", add "Jessen". Garens moved to approve minutes of March 31, 1975 as corrected. Upton seconded 'and the :notion carried. MINUTES OF APRIL 7, 1975 15,MTING PAGE 4, Sec. B, pars 3, delete "since it is the recommendation of the Staff", add "the Staff recoirme::aation" after "we accept". C PAGE 5, Para 5, Sentence 1, delete "they had wanted to vote on". It 5, 11 5, a 2, delete entire sentence, add "one issue bond referendwn had not been discussed. Garens said, that in view of the fact that it was not brought up, he would continuo to support the motion". PAGE 5, last para., delete "facilities", add "operations". a .approved Minutes - Pa*ck & Rec. April 21, 1975 Commission Page Two 1 , I. KlRrIES OF APRIL 7. 1 7� IMTING (CONTtD) Bennett made motion to accept minutes of April 7, 1975 as corrected. Anderson seconded and the motion carried. II. ORGANIZATION A. Consideration of Revised Ordinance for a Park, Recreation and Naturnl Resource Commission Jessen highlighted the proposed revised Ordinance and said that basically the Urdinance contains the major purposes and responsi- bilities of the Commission. Fifield asked whether "Middle School." should be included in Subdiv. 2. Jessen answered that it should. Bennett questioned the 3 year term for School Board member, and felt it should be a one year term, because of reorganization of School Board in July. Jessen suggested modifying Ordinance to read that all appointments of School Board members be made July 1st, rather. than January 1. MOTION Garens moved that we recommend to the Council the adoption of the revised Ordinance as modified, with the two changes. Kingrey seconded and the motion carried unanimously. III. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COI/•!UNICATIONS A. Letter from Riley-Purgatory Creek Watershed District reaardinr! water qualitZ study of Round Lnke Jessen said the letter referred to is subject of his memo of April 18. Kingrey asked about the 50-50 cost sharing. Jessen said the figure is not in the letter but he had discussed it with 2-fr. Gebhard, of Barr Engin. Co., and Irir. Richards, Attorney. Upton asked if we have the $p6,000. Jessen said we are not in the j position to finance half the study. i MOTION Bennettrnoved to accept the Staff recommendation as per memo of April 18, recommending to the Council that they communicate with Watershed District that the City is desirous of having such a study conducted, but is not i in a position to participate in financing such a study, but would use data as developed from the study. Anderson seconded. Motion carried after Kingroy suggested modification of point no. 2 to read that "the City is not in a position to participate in financing such a study out of the 1975 General Operating budget,", which was accepted by Bennett and Anderson. IV. RECO1.2,%NDATIONS ANll RITORTS A. Recreation Prorrara Report 1. 1975 Beach Operations Program Jessen said we are not in the position to change the fee structure approved �tes - Park & Rec. Page Three r� ssion April 21, 1975 A. Recreation Program Report (Cont'd) 1. 1225 Bench Operations Program (Gont'd) very drastically for this year. Round Lake contains more community play field uses and suggests a higher fee than Bryant Lake. Anderson felt that the Commission should establish a consistent philosophy for recreational facilities for the Community. He questioned charging fees for swimming but not for playing tennis, skating, etc.. Jessen agreed it was a valid consideration and should be looked into for next year. Anderson said we are tied to the budget for this year, but this has been I discussed earlier. He felt the eliminating of swimumina fees would do away with former problems connected with keeping..track-of- those who had passes i etc. Jessen commented that the _ philosophy should not be discussed as one part, but as an over-all consideration. Bennett said we are at the point right now where people moving into the . Community are finding it a real hardship paying for all the activities. She felt that many of the families cannot afford to pay $8.00 for the Cseason's pass to the beach. Since the poverty level families have a hard time paying for all of the extra fees, she felt we had to change our programs to meet some of these needs. NOTION Anderson moved that the Commission study the standardization of the recreational fees as soon as possible. Upton seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Jessen said he would summarize all fees before the next budget process. Upton requested the information about two months in advance to allow time to consider it. VDTION Garens made the motion to amend recoirimendation to read that if someone cannot afford a ticket that the Council authorize the Staff to issue a permit for the beach. Kingrey asked how you determine who can't afford to pay. Garens withdrew the motion. NOTION Kingrey moved to approve the 1975 beach operations as outlined by the Staff. Anderson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. 2. Community Theatre Jessen presented the report and asked for questions. Upton asked whether we would have to pay for using theatre. Jessen said it has not been decided yet. r Mi approved Minutes - Park & Rec. Page Four Commission April 21, 1975 74 A. 2, Community Theatre (Cont'd) Erickson asked what the Voc-Tech. formerly charged us. Jessen answered there have been no charges, but feels that since we are charging ad- mission, this would make a difference. Upton. asked whether we have the necessary $2,000. Jessen said the City has about �1,200 in the special events fund. Jessen introduced Terry Eggan, formerly of Eden Prairie, who had approached the City with the possibility of starting a community theatre. He has been active in drama since high school and is now with Selma Lenhart Toy at University of Minnesota Ext.. He said he would be glad to answer questions. Kingrey asked Eggan about his managerial experience. Eggan said he has worked with his father in the construction business and helped with the managing. lie added that he has worked behind the scenes and has been in plays and feels he knows what is involved. Erickson asked whether the cast would be members of the City of E.P.. Eggan said it would include E.P. and surrounding communities. Erickson asked whether this would tea one program budget. Jessen said this is a preliminary process and would be evaluated after the play had been presented. He added that if it proves to be a good thing for the City, it will be very clear after the first play production. Eggan (` commented that it would be an independent operation and would not be dependent on the City after the first initial investment. Bennett inquired about the success of neighboring community theatres. Eggan said it is about 1001/'J', and there is a lot of local talent to draw from. Galpin added that according to a recent Dave Moore program, the state of Minnesota ranks as one of the highest in repetoire theatre and has had a high rate of success. MOTION Bennett moved to accept concept of the plan, with Eggan to bring back a realistic money amount for the rental of the Vac-Tec auditorium. Kingrey seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Kingrey asked for a point of clarification on whether the Staff would be responsible for receiving this information. Bennett said yes. B. Report on Status of Picnic Pavi.1i,Qr� Jessen said it was the recommendation of the Staff to proceed with the struc- ture according to the memo of April 17, 1975. He added that he had reviewed several proposals, but recommends we go along with the one specified in this memo. approved riinutes - Park & Rec. Page Five "ommission April 21, 1975 ,l f� Report on Status of Picnic Pavillion Cont'd Kingrey asked whether the job would be complete for $2,0OO. Jessen said yes, with the exception of the fireplace and concession stand, for which we would have the plans only. Upton asked whether the Lions Club was in favor of this proposal. Jessen said they are in favor of it, and will put up sy8,O00. The City will add $7,000, which is already budgeted. MOTION Garens moved that we recommend to the Council that we go ahead with the picnic pavilion as per the memo of April 17, 1975. Upton seconded and the motion carried unanimously. C. Development Proposals 1. Preserve Commercial Center -Plat Two- Refinement to Area A Mr. Loran Galpin,,Development Concepts, Inc., presented Plat Two, consisting; of 80-90 acres, of which l+6 acres will be in scenic easements. It would function as a peripheral shopping center, such as in the arrange- ment bordering Southdale. Walkways and run-off ponds are planned for within the system. The uses would be commercial, including fast food places, a home care center, and a Theatre in the Round. Kingrey inquired about the recreational facilities. Galpin said they would be indoor, rather than the outdoor, and geared for year round use, such as swimming pool and handball courts. Kingrey asked about the apartments. Galpin said there would be 250 apart- ment units, or office buildings. Both will allow the sloping areas to be used in the best way possible. Garens asked about the parking and what has been done regarding drain- age. Galpin said a settling pond has been worked out by Barr Engineering and a series of ponds will be designed to prevent unwanted drainage. 14r. Don Hess, of the Preserve, added that this had been approved by the Nine-Mile Creek tJatershed District. Galpin requested the Commission members bring the booklets, previously distributed by the Preserve, to the next presentation. No Action required. V. pTSCUSSIO A. Consideration of revising certain provisions of City Ordinances requiring* Park Land dedication or Cast,-in-Lieu of Land Jessen said he would distribute further information at a future meeting. C4, t rOTTON swimming Anderson moved that we request the Council to drop foes for 1975 for E.P. residents. Upton seconded. The motion was defeated with a vote of 3-nays, 2 yays, and 1 tibsten. Garens called the question because it had been discussed. Garens moved to adjourn at 1O:15 Pm. Kingrey seconded and the motion carried.