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Parks and Recreation - 12/16/1974 1974 s DECEMBER 21, 16 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE I c AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MONDAY, December 2, 1974 7:3 0 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Elizabeth Tracy, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio. COMMISSION STAFF: Marty lessen, Director of Community Services, Sandra Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor, and Chris Enger, Landscape Architect - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ROLL CALL I. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 4 1974 MEETING. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 18 1974 DISCUSSION. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 25 1974 MEETING. II. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. 1974-75 Ice Skating Program 1. Mini-Rinks. 2 . Major Rink Operating Procedures. 3 . Lights for Prairie View Rinks. B. Purgatory Creek Open Space Study. C. Council Action on Wednesday Night Leisure Activities. D. Park Bond Fund Report. E. Neighborhood Facilities Report. F. Snowmobile Trail Report G. Metropolitan Open Space Report. AGENDA - Park & Recreation Commission Page Two December 2, 1974 C J7 III. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. A. Red Rock Hills. B. Village Woods 2nd Addition . C. Preserve: Commercial District PUD, Northmark, and School/Park f IV. DISCUSSIONS. 1 A. 1975 Program Budget B. Homeowners Associations C . Northwest Eden Prairie Golf Course I M I N U T E S EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MONDAY, DECEMBER 2, 1974 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, William Garens, Richard Anderson, Paul Choiniere, Dorothy Bennett, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Wolfgang Penzel, Mary Upton, and Francis Helmer STAFF PRESENTS Marty Jessen, Director of. Community Services, Chris Enger, Landscape Architect, and Sandra Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor OTHERS PRESENTS Paul Berge, Doug Larson, Gene Martinson, Norman M. Miller, Duncan Laidlaw, Gene Moore, Eden Prairie Community News, John Weiss, Sun Newspaper, John Houston, Houston Engineering, Don Hess, Loren Galpin, and Larry Geisler, Developement Concepts, Inc.. The meeting was called to order at 7:50 PM by Chairman Erickson. I. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 4. 1974 MEETING. Tabled. _ . 'MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 18. 1974 DISCUSSION Tabled. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 25, 1974 MEETING Tabled. II. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. 1974-75 Ice Skating Program 1. Mini-Rinks-Jessen reported Council approval of spending up to $3000 on Commission's recommendation for mini-rinks. Commission will have to decide specifically the sites and whether to light or not. Jessen has talked representatives of different neighborhoods and has agreed to meet with the various neighborhoods to make all necessary arrangements. Blossom Road area was discussed as a possible site. Jessen felt that Birch Island and Edenview should both have rinks, because of the sheer amount of people. Choiniere added that a hockey rink could be put up at Birch Island area. Jessen felt that it would be a good spot for a hockey rink. Choiniere made the motion to approve the 8 rinks as suggested on November 25 outline at this time for preparation and developement for skating. Motion was seconded by Anderson. Jessen added that i Minutes - Park and Recreation Commission Page Two December 2, 1974 1. Mini-Rinks (CONT'D) citizens should prepare site and included meeting with neighbors and all items talked about. Motion passed unanimously. Jessen also wanted to clarify the change of actual site at Red Rock Hills area. 2. Major Rink Operating Procedures Werts presented memo of Skating hours for approval of Commission before advertising the schedule. She informed the Commission that she has only 4 applications for the 5 positions open for attendants, and felt that if the pay were a little better we could have better luck. Erickson suggested Explorer Scouts. Jessen answered that it might mean a different person every day. Werts added that there would be a training program offered, which would include Red Cross First Aid techniques. Discussion of time reserved for other groups followed. Jessen said many of the groups reserve the ice later in the evening, therefore, not conflicting with regular ice hours. Bennett added that as the hockey season progresses, the schedule is left with more open hours. Choiniere made the motion to approve WertP,s 1974-75 Eden Prairie j skating season as outlined in memo to Commission, with clarification of Christmas being 2 weeks rather than one. Garens seconded the motion. Motion was carried. 3. Lights for Prairie View Rinks Jessen reported that the Council deliberated and then suggested lighting rinks at Frairie View on temporary basis. Two poles will be used at a cost of 060 per year per pole for minimum of three years use.. Anderson made the motion to provide lighting consisting of 2 poles, with costs given by Jessen to Prairie View Rinks. Erickson seconded the motion and it carried. B. Purgatory Creek Oven Space Study Jessen reported that we should get down to more specific details and begin to plan some of the corridors. Jessen felt the Commission should prepare some final approval plans and additional data for the Commission, and then on to the Council by January. I The motion was made by Erickson that we approve preliminary plan and prepare additional data to the Commission and then on to the Council by January. Choiniere seconded the motion and it was passed unanimously. C. Council Action on Wednesday Night Leisure Activities Jessen spoke previously that there had been discussion with no position formulated by Commission or Staff. Jessen said there will be no leisure night activities on Wednesday nights because of action by the Council, which moved to attempt to schedule no City activities on Wednesday nights. Discussion followed as to the interpretation of the Council's move. Some of the members of the Commission felt it was unconstitutional and was C contradictory to the present schedule of facilities. Bennett felt that the citizens did have a free choice and the difference came in the City activities, not in the facilities available. She said that the Council Minutes - Park and Recreation Commission Page Three December 2, 1974 C. Council Action on Wednesday Night Leisure Activities (Cont^d) passed the skating schedule, and EPHA is responsible for hockey schedule, not the City. We are telling the community that the facilities are open and "you make the decision". Anderson moved that the Council clarify the notion made by McCulloch on the Wednesday night leisure activities as of November 26 minutes. Garens seconded the motion. Jessen further stated that guide lines are needed on this motion as to the activities in question. Motion carried. D. Park Bond Fund Report No action. E. Neiehborhood Facilities Report ! No action. ! F. Snowmobile Trail Report Jessen reported that the proposed snowmobile trail could not get anywhere becaude landowners involved have refused necessary permission. No action required. G. MAtropo itan Open Space Report Jessen said that he had informed the Metro Council that we are forming a position paper from this Commission through City Council. Discussion followed on the proposed Riley Lake regional park, which if owned by Hennepin County Reserve District, would facilitate changes in the intensive community playfield uses proposed, and would have to be eliminated and/or modified. Bryant Lake is now owned by the City, and the question of buying more land seems inappropriate because of the other alreacV costly public w investments made in the area. Jessen further stated that the Nine-Mile Creek had severe constrictions in Edina and surrounding areas, and there would be incompatible uses along creek except in Eden Prairie. Jessen suggested including the Minnesota River Flood Plain land use on our next agenda, with background information so action can be taken. Anderson made the motion that the Commission recommend that we establish a regional park at Riley Lake, to be owned, operated, and maintained by the City of Eden Prairie. It was seconded by Garens, and motion was carried. Jessen said this could be funded by Metro Councl. Garens moved that we recommend the Nine-Mile Creek park land be approved as a regional corridor, with heavy emphasis that it continue beyond Eden Prairie and extend to Bloomington area. Anderson seconded motion. Notion was carried. III. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Red RocJS Hills Staff analysis of Presentation was given by Enger. Trail location and public dedication for open space were questionsof importance. Bennett made the motion that we accept recommendation of Staff as listed on memo of December 2. Garens seconded the motion and the motion carried. Minutes - Park and Recreation Commission Page Four December 2, 1974 B. Village Woods 2nd Addition Enger reported that Jim Zachman is asking for preliminary platting and rezoning of 37 zero lot lined homes. The question::was asked what was a zero lot lined home. Enger explained that it allows developer to build directly on lot line and include 25 feet of land on the other side. The problem of trails was discussed it was agreed that an easement was needed to fulfill the means of getting to the main trail. Anderson made the motion that we accept Staff's recommendation on Village Woods 2nd Addition, based on discussion tonight, with agreement to work out internal land access. Erickson seconded the motion. The motion carried. C. Preserves Commercial District PUD. Northmark, and School/Park Introduction was made by Loren Geisler, of Development Concepts, Inc. for the Preserve Commercial District PUD. Don Hess, consultant, presented the concept, stating the purpose was to resolve some issues and go on into preliminary platting. Choiniere asked about a retaining pond. Jessen said the home owners had a storm sewer built and is paid for. The quality of water would be maintained by Watershed District and the City. Choiniere question controls of water going into lake. Jessen answered that the work was done by Barr Engineering Co., the best hydraulic engineering company around, and are used as consultants by most of the Watershed Districts. Garens made the motion that we recommend to the Council that we give preliminary approval of Concept Plan for Site F. Bennett seconded motion. Choiniere asked about the Clinic. Jessen explained that the clinic is a regional emergency center, and is part of Methodist Hospital's Outreach Program. The prime requirements were that it be placed close to a main traffic roadway and that it have visual exposure. This area seemed to be the best place for it. Motion was passed. Choiniere abstained because he Felt that he didn't know enough about it at this times. Preserve requested to be put on agenda for next meeting. IV. DISCUSSIONS A. 1975 Program. Budget Postponed B. Homeowners Associations Postponed C. Northwest Eden Prairie Gold Course Postponed V. ADJOURNMENT Garens made the motion to adjourn. Bennett seconded the motion. Motion passed unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 1100 PM. MJsds r _ l AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION Monday, December 16, 1974 7:30 PM, City Hall COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel , Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Elizabeth Tracy, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio. COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services, Sandy Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor, Chris Enger, Landscape Architect - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ROLL CALL I. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 4, 1974 MEETING. MINUTES OF NOVMEBER 18, 1974 MEETING. MINUTES OF NOVMEBER 25, 1974 MEETING. MINUTES OF DECEMBER 2, 1974 MEETING. 4 II. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. 1974-75 Ice Skating Program Report 1 . Major Rinks 2. Mini-Rinks B. Council Reconsideration of Action on Wednesday Night Leisure Activities. C. Park Bond Fund Report D. Neighborhood Facilities Report E. Bikeway/Hikeway Task Force Report III. DISCUSSIONS A. 1975 Program Budget B. Homeowners Associations C. Northwest Eden Prairie Golf Course IV. ADJOURNMENT MINUTES. EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MONDAY, DECEMBER 16, 1974 700 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, William Garens, Richard Anderson, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Elizabeth Trac;T, and Francis Helmer k COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Wolfgang Penzel and Dorothy Bennett STAFF PRESENT: Sandra Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor, and Chris Enger, Landscape Architect w i OTHERS PRESENT: Al Upton, Bikeway/Hikeway Task Force, Claire A. Kispert, James L. Peterson, and Glen Meder Meeting was called to order at 700 PM by Chairman Erickson. : I. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 4. 1974 MEETING Choiniere moved that the minutes of November 4, 1974 be approved with the following corrections: v � SECTION II. A.Paraararh four, in oor-b1c4tging facilities Motion is to be changed to read The Staff do a study of the feasibility of_a temroret5ry structure for Yearround activity and work with the School Board on it. SECTION II. A .' indoor skating facilities Clarification of the intent of this seotion was requested by Garens to a remove misunderstanding that some people had received that the "bubble" structure was approved as of this meeting. Motion had been made to do study only. SECTION II. A. Paragraph 1. indoor skating facilities Choiniere requested adding comment about the Lindbergh High School bubble, which has not turned out the way they had intended, with hidden costs and j poor ice due to dripping water etc.. J SECTION III. B0 Paragraph two. Report on Nature) Resource responsibility Clarification of Staff meaning requested by Choiniere to mean Community Services Staff. a SECTION III_. F. 1975 ,program budget Addition of the following statement: The last 2 years specifically Jessen was advised by the manager to have a staff only budget. The motion was seconded by Garens and passed unanimously. r� Minutes - Park & Recreation page Two Commission December 16, 1974 / MINUTES OF NO $ 1974 MEETING Choiniere moved that the minutes of the November 18, 1974 meetingbe accepted with the following corrections: Page 1, Last paragraph, regarding $52000 capital expenditure a�_propriation Add the words "with Staff after Jessen had checked into this". h Upton seconded the motion and was passed unanimously. ` MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 25 1974 MEETING Garens moved that the minutes of November 25 be approved with the following corrections: SECTION I A Skating Rink Program Recommendation uorrection was made by Garens to exclude tarring Lake from the listed sites. SECTION I" A Skating Rink Program Recommendation w angeBden hills,--.Red c a e area to rea denview--Birch Island area. Choiniere seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. € MINUTES OF DECEMBER 2. 197 • MEE'PING A Garens moved that the minutes of the December 2, 1974 meeting be approved withF, the following corrections: SECTION II C Council action on Wednesday Night Leisure Activities Garens corrected minutes o include the o o ng mo ons an eir vote. Choiniere made a motion to accept and file the council motion. It died for lack of a second. Garens made a motion to recommend to the council to reconsider their action, since it could be unconstitutional and unfair to other religious activities scheduled for other days of the week. Garens reconsidered his motion to add that the council clarify their decision. The motion was defeated 3-2, with Erickson, Bennett, and— Choiniere voting against it. Anderson moved to drop the unconstitutional and unfair part, and seek , only clarification from the council, stating that the Council motion was too vague in general and guidelines were needed for Jessen and Werts. Choiniere asiced Anderson to reconsider his motion, as he felt it was adequate as it was. Erickson saw it as more of a directive, not a hard and fast rule. The motion was defeated 3-2, with the same split as• in previous motion, Choiniere again moved to recognize the council's motion and file it. It was seconded and passed 3-2 with Anderson and Garens dissenting. Choiniere seconded the motion. the motion passed unanimously. Chairman passed out to the Commission members, a uestionaire prepared Joint staff of City Hall and School district, to be filled out and mailed in. Erickson turned over the meetingto En e g r and Werta, since Jessen was ill. a r Minutes - Park & Recreation Page Three December 16, 1974 Commission Meeting I II. RECOMMDATIONS AND REPORTS A. 197L=75 Ice Skating Program Report 1. Maior Rinks Werts reported that the major rinks were to open on the fifteenth, but the weather was not with us. Forest Hill lost their base, and Round Lake needs additional work. It was hoped that they could be ready for this week-end. 2. Mini-Rinks Worts informed the Commission that she had met with representatives from six of the eight areas. She had been working on acquiring lease agreements and hoped to complete it by the end of the week. She commented that the response was poor as to attendance at these meetings. The representatives tried sending out cards, but that also ended in poor response. Mr. Peterson, a resident of the Flying Cloud area,said that he was not contacted. The lights are up already, he said. He asked about using the shed. Erickson said it would not be possible because of some items being stored in it. Peterson asked about rules. Erickson answered that there was one basic rule. The small rinks were for free skating, not hockey, unless residents agreed to set up two schedules for freeyskating and hockey. Werts said that 5 areas are almost ready. These are Lochanburn, Edenview, Flying Cloud, Birch Island, and Creekwood. Anderson asked for a running report about the progress of the rinks from Worts. Choiniere complimented Worts on her effort, and he felt that once i a rink was started, others would follow. No action required. B. Council Reconsideration of Action on Wednesday Night Leisure Activities Garens presented minority opinion of the Park and Recreation Commission before the City Council, stating that the wording was negative and created a problem with the Staff and Council. The Council did not agree and felt that if people were opposed to the non-scheduling of activities on Wednesday, they should appear before the Commission. Garens made the motion to close Wednesday night activities, so that Staff would not be in a "limbo" as to what to schedule and not to. He withdrew his motion until there was a change do the Council. Mr. Claire Kisspert stood up and commented that they wanted Wednesday night free for family activities. He felt that there were enough nights in the week that are already scheduled. Anderson felt that the EPHA should not be allowed to schedule their practices on Wednesday nights. It's a question of letting one group reserve the rinks for organized practice with recommendation of the Council. Erickson commented that EPHA should amend their rules, rather than the Commission, and that we should not have to go into it. Worts brought up the Firearms Safety Course, and the problem of scheduling either Monday and Wednesday or Tuesday and Thursday. Upton suggested two classes run on one night, by two instructors. Choiniere felt twice a week was too much, because of conflicts with hockey etc., and only one absence could be made up. No action required. Minutes - Park & Recreation Page Four December 16, 1974 Commission G. Park Bond Fund Report Enger reported that a preliminary report is in process, with accounting and alloting still in the working stage. Final report is upcoming. He reported that as of today, there is $200,OOD in the fund. No action required. D. Neighborhood Facilities Report Enger presented a detailed overview listing the three Prototypes,broken down into acquistion and development stages, in answer to Choini.ere's statement as reported in the minutes of the November 4, 1974 meeting. He explained that there were many ways to break it down and wanted to get a better idea of what was being requested. Enger offered to put it into chart form. Anderson said that he would like to spend one full night in a special meeting studying just this question. Erickson agreed. He said that they would wait till the next meeting. No action required. E. Bikeway/Hikeway Task Force Report Al Upton of the Bikeway/Hikeway Task Force appeard before the Commission to present their report. Brochures were available and Upton pointed out the people who were on the Task Force. He told the Commission that they have been at it for 1-k years and got hung up on priorities. He commented on a survey sent out through City newsletter. Half of the returns were for bikeways, half were for hiking. Upton asked Enger to highlight it. Enger said it started out with the need. In the Spring of 1973, there was a need for a trail study. Basic objectives were formulated and research was going on. They accumulated data through other communities' plans. Dm-ing the second year, started providing structure for analysis. A survey was used for community output. They ran it through Middle School and High School also, to get a good distribution of age. It showed that people in Eden Prairie are interested in biking and walking. Enger stated that there are several agencies meeting for the same purpose, but are not coordinated in any way. Because we are tieing in with other communities, we are in a good position to receive State aid. Approval on work done so far by Commissions and Council is what they want. The Staff felt it was a good development report. The Commission would have to weigh each part. Upton asked to return and discuss the report more completely. The Commission thanked Upton for coming. III. DISCUSSIONS A. 1975 Program Budeet Postponed. B. Homeowners Associations Postponed. C. Northwest Eden Prairie Golf Course Postponed. V. ADJOURNMENT Choihiere made--motion to adjourn, Upton seconded it. Motion carried. M7:ds