Parks and Recreation - 10/14/1974 1974
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CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION
MONDAY, OCTOBER 7, 1974 7:30 PM, PRAIRIE VIEW
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, William Garens,
Richard Anderson, William Bye, Paul Choiniere,
Francis Helmer, Mary Upton and Steve
Fifield , Ex-Officio
MEMBERS ABSENT: Paul Enblom
STAFF PRESENT: Marty lessen, Director of Community Services
and Chris Enger, Landscape Architect
OTHERS PRESENT: Brian O'Rourke, Connie Nelson, Mary Hayden,
Dennis Hayden, Rolf Haugen, Loretta Kopesky,
Paul I. Brown, Mike Allmann, Robert Hartmann,
Sara Heimbuch, Ian Mavis, Seiver Peterson and
Al Upton
The meeting was called to order at 7:45 PM by Chairman Erickson.
lessen and Enger presented a brief summary of the Neighborhood Facilities Study
including review of the components of a park system and the role of the neighborhood
facility in that system, a review of the 21 sites proposed in the study, and a review
of the different facilities included in the prototype neighborhood facility being
considered.
Following the presentation the Chairman opened the floor to discussion by citizens
attending the meeting and the Commissioners as to the study and what course of
action the City ought to take in this regard.
Choiniere asked the people in attendance what they felt they wanted for their
children in the way of neighborhood facilities. Mr. Allman suggested that he would
like to see a combination of activities for little children with different levels of
play potentials for different age groups. Mrs. Mavis said that she felt there was a
greater need for facilities for older children, six and on up, in that the real young children
play in their yards at home. Mrs. Kopesky agreed with Mrs. Mavis and said that bike
trails were also very high priority in her mind and that kids from her neighborhood
are going a long ways from home to use the bike trails being installed in the Hidden
Ponds development.
CMr. Haugen rop:esentin the Eden g Prairie Athletic Association said that we really
need ball fields badly in the community right now , that we could have used two
to four more fields in 1974 and we will need even more softball fields and baseball
fields for next year's association program for both boys and girls. He said these
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facilities would be used by youngsters ages seven years old through high
school.
Garens informed the citizens that the City's emphasis to-date has been on long-
range planning in the acquisition of major lakeshore parks for future community
park development, but that the priority now is on the acquisition and development
of neighborhood facilities because of the increasing 1 development pressure in the '
community and the need for these facilities by today's residents. He further
stated that the implementation of any neighborhood facilities plan will require
a bond issue and referendum to accomplish it.
Mr. Haugen said that E.P.A.A. has projected a 30 to 40% increase in
participation if they could conduct their programs on neighborhood facilities ,
close to home rather than having people drive all the way across the community ti
to the Flying Cloud field. Dennis Hayden said that he felt an organization cannot
dominate a facility totally and program it all of the time, that there also had ¢`
to be facilities for unstructured recreation. He further emphasized the need for
safe access to these facilities, whether it be through bikeways, sidewalks, or
whatever.
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Anderson asked the citizens what kinds of facilities the adults wanted to see in
park system development. Mary Hayden responded that she would like to see ;
tennis courts, a golf course, and a swimming pool.
Bye said that he was quite disappointed in the number of people who had turned t
out for the meeting and wanted to know of the other commissioners how they
felt we could get more people to attend the meeting on the 14th at Forest Hills.
He suggested that we needed to inform them that a considerable amount of money
was under consideration and that the Commission will soon take action
recommending something to the City Council. Erickson expressed the same concern
for getting more people fired up to attend the meeting at Forest Hills. Mr. Allman
said that he felt the meeting was well publicized, both in the flyer inserted with
the City HAPPENINGS newsletter and in weekly Sun Newspaper articles. Mary Hayden
suggested that a sheet go home with the elementary children on Friday before the
meeting as a final reminder.
Helmer asked for citizen input as to their desires for a small neighborhood recreation
facility of two or three acres or a larger more comprehensive facility. Mr. Allman
said that he felt that we should favor rr;ore comprehensive development.
Choiniere said that he felt the reasons so few people had attended the meeting
was that we are in a "backlash" as a result of the activity of the 1960s in the City.
He said today's citizens have received no service from the City in the park and
recreation area except long-range acquisition and it is difficult to get them to
participate until they can see some of the services directly affecting them. He
suggested one way of servicing some of these people immediately would be to use
ponds around the community for skating in the winter, such as Minnetonka does.
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Mr. Peterson asked how these different improvements might be financed.
Jessen summarized the financial opportunities open to the City including the
general fund, general obligation bonds, revenue bonds, grants, special
assessments, etc.
Bye suggested that the City is at a critical decision making time, that ten years
ago people were looking into the future, a guide plan was adopted, long-range
land acquisition was begun, etc. He said he feels that now the need for
facilities for today's residents and tomorrow's residents must be accomplished
soon. He further stated that the big question is, are the people prepared to
make a two million dollar commitment to this kind of program?
Choiniere said that one thing of concern to him was that the major PUDs in the
community may some day have the population majority of all of Eden Prairie and
that they have many recreational facilities available to them that the rest of
the community would not have available. As a result they may vote against
a bond issue even though it is for the good of the entire community but not
for their particular neighborhood. Erickson said that the City needs two million
dollars for park acquisition and development now for neighborhood facilities
just as the City needed $550,000 in 1968.
Further discussion took place concerning methods of publicizing the next
meeting. Mary Hayden suggested that it be a very brief note of 25 words or
so and include something to really catch people's attention, such as the cost
of the program. Bye suggested that we tell the people the truth, "that the
City is considering over two million dollars in expenditures for neighborhood
facilities acquisition and development". Choiniere said that he felt this was
misleading in that maybe it won't go at all and you really can't say how much
it will cost at this time. Mr. Haugen said that the problem is to get people out
to talk about it and you need to stimulate people to get them to attend the meeting.
He further said that there is a need for a total program for the community and the
time is right to go after a neighborhood system. He felt that the study identifies
the total program and now the next step was to identify specific immediate activity
to implement the program.
It was moved by Bye, seconded by Garens, that the staff implement through the
schools and any other method an information bulletin informing citizens of the
meeting next Monday at Forest Hills to discuss the Neighborhood Facilities Study
and specifically to tell them that the total implementation of the plan could cost
in excess of two million dollars. Motion carried unanimously.
Considerable discussion took place concerning how to present the information
at the next meeting. It was agreed that a hand out of the three page summary,;
Cgraphs and the map ought to be ready for all people who attend the meeting.
It was moved by Anderson that transparencies for overhead projection be made
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for all of the detail'in'the study in case anyone should ask for this kind of
information. Motion died for lack of a second.
Al Upton asked if the Bikeway/Hikeway Task Force program was at all included
in the recommendation of the Commission. Erickson said that the Neighborhood
Facilities Study includes some pathway construction in different parts of the
neighborhoods but does not address the problems being considered by the
Bikeway/Hikeway Task Force. He further said that he feels this needs to be
included to provide safe access to the different facilities proposed in the
Neighborhood Facilities: Study.
It was moved by Choiniere, seconded by Garens, that the meeting be adjourned.
Motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Haugen said he would like to say a few words about E.P.A.A. to the Commission.
The group was formed nine years ago by the Jaycees and other interested parents
and that without any public support the program grew and new sports activities
were sponsored. About three or four years ago the Village Council discussed with
the group the possibility of employing staff to assist in implementing the program.
It'was agreed that the organization itself would continue to provide the programs
and the Village Council then gave an informal commitment to E.P.A.A. t
o provide
facilities on which they could conduct their program. Since that time few new
facilities have been developed in the community, while some of the existing ones
have been upgraded through City effort. 1974 is the first year the City has moved
to provide long-range facility planning which could benefit the association. The
organization will continue to provide the programs on these facilities and it is
critical that the City do the job in providing facilities or the association will die.
He suggested it was time for the City to look out for the E.P.A.A. program and
guarantee success of the association in that the cost to the City to provide these
kinds of activities would be extremely high. He said there is an immediate need
for more ball fields for next year and that we need to continue to try to address
the long-range efforts such as the Neighborhood Facilities Study identified, and be
sure that E.P.A.A. does not get lost in the shuffle.
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TO: Eden Prairie Park & Recreation Commission
FROM: Marty Jessen, Community Service Director •v
DATE: October 16, 1974
RE: Park and Recreation Commission Meeting
The next Park & Recreation Commission Meeting will be held November 4, 1974
at 7:30 p.m. at the City Hall .
Agenda packets will be distributed prior to the meeting.
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FROM: Marty Jessen, Community Service Director
DATE: October 4, 1974
RE: Park & Recreation Meeting on October 7, 1974
The Park & Recreation meeting will be held at the Prairie View
Elementary School on October 7, 1974 at 7:30p.m. We will be
discussing the Neighborhood Facility Study and finding out the
citizen's reaction to the study.
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION
MONDAY, OCTOBER 14, 1974 7:30 PM, FOREST HILLS
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, William Garens ,
William Bye, Paul Choiniere , Richard
Anderson, Mary Upton, Francis Helmer,
Wolfgang Penzel and Steve Fifield , Ex-Officio
MEMBERS ABSENT: Paul Enblom '
STAFF PRESENT: Marty lessen, Director of Community Services,
and Chris Enger, Landscape. Architect +
OTHERS PRESENT: Mrs. Harry Marriott, Norman Miller,
A. W. Miller, Robert L. Coppess Mr. & Mrs.
LeRoy Wickstrom, WernerW. Schulze, Mr. &
Mrs. Lewis K. Kinne, Alden W. Keiski, Mary Ann
Lund, Marcene Burke, Shirley Truempi, Caroline
4 McNulty, Bobbie Walker, Bob Hallett, Dick
Emahiser, Harold L. Johnson, Judy Schuck and
Ray Soderholm
The meeting was called to order at 7:45 PM by Chairman Erickson. Staff presented
the study to-date including the hand-out of the outline for the staff study process
and copies of the cost estimates developed for each of the 21 sites.
Chairman Erickson asked for comments from the audience. Bob Coppess asked
when the improvements promised for the Forest Hills site would be accomplished ,
including the berm and landscaping in front of his house along Holly Road . He also
criticized the decision to put the "goat trail" through the park from Holly Road to
the skating rink area. He said he had sent a letter to the Chairman dated
September 17 , 1974 requesting that the plans for the Forest Hills park site be
brought so that discussion op this matter could take place. Erickson said that he
had not received the letter nor had the staff at the City Hall, thus.they were unable to
answer some of Mr. Coppess' questions.
Coppess asked where the park board receives money for its operation. lessen
explained that the Council sets budgets each year Just as they do for all of the
other City functions. He also explained that some capital money came from park
bond issues.
Mrs. Harry Marriott asked about the Bryant Lake park facility. lessen explained
that it was not included in this study and that this particular component of the study
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'r orhood facilities. He said that some work wis c being
done
dealt only with neighb
on planning the Bryant Lake park area right now in that the City take.,
of the stable operation May 1, 1975 . Mrs. Marriott asked that neighbors in the
area be included in a discussion oftt o suggest Jessen said that the staff intended such a meeting to the Commission
as soon as better information was available. I`
Alden Keiski, Pastor of the Methodist Church, said that the Church trustees ;
have recently voted to let the City use the playground
a ound purposes o costst of to he
p to the
Church site along Scenic Heights Road for ti
City. Anderson thanked him for his offer and said that the City would be in:touch
with him in this regard.
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Bob Hallett representing the Eden Prairie lAe Athletic Association e
can maintain their program for both
has a need for more ball fields soon sot y
boys and girls. As Principal of the ForeWeHills e feels some school tt said he feels
of the situations r,
the school-park concept is working veryt
are rather dangerous, particularly the dirt road referred to by Mr. . Coppess which
is used more for snowmobiles and mini-bikes than any
else. Anderson
responded by saying that the City has posted no motorized vehicle:signs and y
from the Police Department but that nothing seems
requested special enforcement
to work very effectively. '
Harold Johnson from Bennett Place in the southeast portion of the community said
there is a need for a site as indicated in number 20 d b t tudy. Ile cited the
Hustad Corporation I.
existing homes there plus new development propose Y the
as reasons for this need.
Marcene Burke asked if the City had any intention of constructing tennis courts
this has been discussed with school staff
near the middle school area. Jessen said
but that budget constraints-had precluded any specific request so far.
he citizens in the community were interested
Choiniere asked what kinds of facilities t
areas in the
in seeing. Judy Schuck said that she said felt skatveral of the of erdpeopletinmall
neighborhoods in the community was important. Se
bikeways to get to the different recreational
attendance said tennis courts, trails and
areas as well as the general neighborhood facilities were all important. Coppess
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asked if the City could require dedicatio nd tdhat the City doeslopment ofnre buire dedicationr
as a contingency of zoning. Jessen repo
of land or cash in lieu of land as land is developed.
dnce for Erickson thanked those in t theaCommission coming to develop a specific proposal for
information would b b Y
consideration by the City Council .
`- It was moved by Choiniere, seconded by Garens, that the meeting be adjourned.
Motion carried unanimously.
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION
MONDAY, November 4, 1974 7:30 PM CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer,
William Bye, Richard Anderson, William Garens,
Paul Enblom, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Elizabeth
Tracy, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio.
COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services,
Sandra Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor ,
and Chris Enger, Landscape Architect
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ROLL CALL
I. MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 16, 1974 MEETING .
MINUTES OF OCTOBER 7, 1974 MEETING .
MINUTES OF OCTOBER 14 , 1974 MEETING.
II. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Request by Steve Sopczak to appear before the Commission
to discuss indoor skating facilities.
B. Request'by Frances Blacklock to have the City establish the
Hazel Jordan Nature Library Fund for the purpose of receiving
memorials and gifts to equip the Blacklock Nature Center at
Anderson Lakes.
C. Notice of meeting of Minnesota Recreation and Park Association
Board and Commissioners Section on November 7, 1974 at Jax
Cafe.
III. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Report on 1974 Fall-Winter Recreation Program.
B. Report on Council action dealing with Commission recommendation
on Natural Resource responsibility.
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C. Report on Metropolitan Council Policy Plan for Regional
Recreation Open Space -- Inclusion of Bryant or Riley Lake
Parks in the plan is being considered. t
D. Purgatory Creek Open Space Study Report.
E. Report on Financing Tools Available to the City for Parks
and Recreation Programs.
F. 1975 Program Budget
IV. DISCUSSIONS
A. Discussion of Neighborhood Facilities meeting:s-and cstudy.
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S PF SI:iITs Ghairl::an i arvi n Eri ckson, '':jillial:i Garens,Paul Ghoiniere Richard Anderson, 1`.�.ry Upton,
'.lolfr;ar.g Penzel., ^.nd Steve Fif ielcl, EX-Offici o
1 Paul Enbl.oni, :7il.liarn Dyo, Frr.incis Helmer, and
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Elizabeth Tracy
S''Al!' ' rI1ISLidT: l:nrty Jesscn, Director of CoI;u:Iunity Services,
Sandra '..erts, Recreation Program Supc;rvi:sor,
an: Ohris Ln;^;er, Landscape Architect
1,; Y:13SIsI I:ici_ae]. Scherer, Steve Sopczak, Richard Strohkirch,
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Dic.: Ll,.ial:iser, Don A-�rpe, John Tietz, and Z. Gartner
The mcetinr "Ins ca]_lco. to order nt 7:35 PM by Ghair:lan Erickson.
I� 1'I11UTE5 Or SEPTEI'i3IyR ].u. L97Lt :JrETII;G:
Mlare was a question as to tI-_e i::eanin:; of the staterilent made b;l Clroiniere
Oil pc:ge 2, third paragra'i�h, re-,,ardinC the ,:suggestion that the City, in
delnyin[; ,_;etion on tl:e recent Eden Farms site had given the Shelter
Corporation an unfair advantai c and srkachod of "kick-back". Choiniero
stated that it -,as not an accusation and did not feel that his statez ent
re uiipd an a.:encLrent. J�brst i ciabcrs felt that they did not ,rant that
particular statement in the mirutes anc: wanted the Col:a:,ission cleared of
tl=e "l:ich-back" label.
A notion was .lade by G^rcns that the followinrr ;sentence .be inserted in
parenthesis after the sentence ending with "hick-back"t This is -taken
r o inion and
by the :,�iority of t'r.e Co�i.I!�i>sion to be �•�. Choinieress not
the Cor.eniss9_onf s o•,;inion as a whole. The motion vas seconded by Anderson
and :asked unanir.iously, with the e:ccehtion of Ghoiniere's abstention.
It I.ras moved by Garens to close discussion of and approve September 16, 1974
I.inutes, Irith the one correction on Pa,.;e 2, seconded by Anderson, and passed
unani I.:ously.
i Zi 1U''LS OF C rOTOM I1 7 lr)7L, i..EETIIIG:
Penzel asked about Enblom, who is a Iaernber of the School. Board. Jessen
re-plied that he had unofficially talked to Enblol, and that Enblom had
asL-ed the Ch,:irr:,an to su*"cst a nei•r renre entative to the Connission for
their consideration.
The only cl:an:-c in the October 7, 1974 i:jinu'tes t-ras that Penzel was absent
tIl^t e`rc'rrir7 ' ,jr1C, -,fns not listed.
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I. IMNUTES OF 0.1TODE.t 7, 1.974 1•IEETIi,1G: (Continued)
Garer_s made the r:otion that the r.iinutes of the October 7, 1974 greeting
he any)roved. It was occonded by Upt(in and passed unar_ir ously.
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Choiniere =ved that the�ntinutes of tl:c October 14, 2.97.4 2�eeting be
accepter as :mitten. The motion was seconded by Upton and passed
unani:.!Ou sly,
II. PETITICT;S, ti:�LT;S`1'S �L:'i JUT. .ii1TJ�^iTOTIS
A. Request bar Steve SOT)C55n1: to discuss indoor skatinrr facilities
lir. Sopczal: au„on.red before the Coizaission to discuss indoor sl:ati.nm
.f.aci.l_ities all tiie ircry defin::to need that W's -rowilrr for this
ournose. l:c showc-6 a f-11m on the uses of ar. air-structure co.anlex,
pictures of the structure at t':o Lindbcr, ii T i[,h School, and passed
out infori::ative brochures on the subject.
Strolhkirch and lir. anahiser, hockey coaches for the Eden
Prairie Schools, stressed the need for more facilities, as tl:e
nunber of boys wantinn to take cart in the ltacl.cy program was
C;rn,wing rapidly. This would also include tennis and many of the y
other shorts. lir. 1•Karne said that acquiring; ice tirlo at Braemar was
getting; very difficult.
Garens inquired whether school officials had been approached on this
and cot_.icntcC. tl',nt cooperation between t :e schools and Village Ball
was rood. Tdo school officials herd been contacted.
Garons :.:ade the notion tl-int t-,e Staff do a study of the feasibility
Of tl is tetnhorary structure as opposed to t`ic permanent, and work
it 4-n wi.th V.o School Board, with the idea that it would be included
in t-f-, neighborhood facilities. It was seconded by Anderson, and
T),asscd unani2.:ously.
The question of "user fees" for ice skating wns brought up by T;r. Scherer
an:: ci.3cu, ae:. by t' c Co.:_,,jssiori. Jc-;oorl felt that it we not be
Worth the c.ctra c;-nen.-x,' of an attcr.dant, 1 i;;hts, ,in(3 better and z:ore
costly ::cTirtetLznce.
B. l a7cl Joriiat1 i;'ItUre Librnry Fund
Jcssen subr::ittcci the request by prances Blachl.ock to have the City
ostablish tl-:e I':azel .iordan Nnture Library Fund. J 1 members agreed
th;it it ;re"?_,' l O a definite ndvnntaZc to our city. Anderson felt
I:!e s1lcul:i acco':.t t:,e �3lncl:l.ocl:s' terra:s, T•ritl tl:e understanding that
t1:0 COuncil 1:nhc n-nroyriate l.cr;,al steps.
Gnrens t,:c �10: ,_i3Si-On rcco:d.;pnd to the Council
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Easel Jordan i itre Librnr,T that
Fund, as outli.necl i r_ Bl.acl:lock t s letter,
Upton nc-com:cC. the 1..otion, M'd it was carri.ed unaniz:ously.
'.o';i.c� of t.:CCt i_Ilr^_O.4 i.nu.c^otn Itc:r n a ,c..t'.�n nn.:i Park Associntic)n Hoard
Jc ,:,ctr i.nvi.tcc' n11. :o:.:ix:r:� o f V 0 Co:. .'.ir,si.on to t',c dinner r:iceting at
Ja. ga:^c, yet u; b • t :e :e:,o Ir, Rccreatio:_ and Pnrl_ Association Board
any Jo..r:i.isi.oners S ct i on on ''overibcr
"', 19W. do Action Required.
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C III. RI;J011E:,DAv2IG1.13 AIM RETORTS
A. Report on 1974 Fall-Winter Recreation Prorfranl
Worts reported on the 1.974 Fall-,N.nter Recreation Progrmli. She would
like to be abl:: to schedule activities on 14ednesday nights, but that
night is unofficially "church night" in Edcn Prairie. An unofficial
arrce!aent between the schools and ci urches sem)a to be the reason_ for
this. Andercor felt tht t activities shaul(i be schcduled all nights
and that t:.eir obli ration was to fill_ need of all -Deople.
At the tL.:ic the recroat.i.on program position was approved, the I•iayor
su,rgested an ad hoc co.m.iittee on wonen's and girl'a activities and
t11P. Staff is ].00'•:ii.g forwrird t-o tl.is co!:::;Iittee being appointed and
that new ideas can be generated. No Action Required.
B. Rero.rt on idaturnl Resource res--jonsibil ity
`.1'he Council has considered the CO2.:nission's recoialiendation to include
the Natural. Resoua?ces responsibilyof the Co!:unission in the fo=41
title enchnr[;ed to the Co]..raission. The Staff is r'athering data on
other 1lntural Resource qu,:istions and will be rocor,raending a
ordinance in the near future. No Action Required. z
C. Report of 1:et ono] itnn_Council Policy Plan for Rcvi.onal. Recreation
Open Space --
Jessen rerortcd tint the first draft will be .1 basis for a }public
meeting 1?ovei.iaer 2� and � ll include Bryant or Riley Lake Park rk site. t�
as regional parks, without specify_ng which site. Bvyant Labe was
purchased by the city through a 50 hal,1CG1'1 funding; and 50 from
State funds. Riley Lake Fork site is being looked at :ore favorably_
by 1::etro. He feels that the Co!rnission should nape a recoiinrlencation
to t1,_e Clty Council. A position paper should. be drawn up and Jessen
said that he could be harpy to present it at the nec>ting. The
re-cort will be on the neat Agenda.
D. Pur^atory Creeh• Orc;n Sr.nce Study Renort
The Pur,^,atory Creek Open Si)ace Study Report has been prepareca in e
preliminary form. TI!e reports will be r,:ailed out later -this week,
tis there were not Sufficient copies. The Stecrin; Cor.a.:ittee favored
n joint neeting. John Ti.etz, df Brauer & Associates, will make
the presentation, wl_i�h "Oulci tale a .short tune de ending on the tine
s1�er ..is
!t on cuss ion. lessen felt that Al Upton of the
Bi.l_euay-l:il_e�,; ;% Task Force should be invited to the !neetin-. lie
sug;'-ested the 25th1 a 1:ondny, ns n elate, t•ritl Wednesday, the 13t1i as
n possible n1ternate rate. The tij.:e would be at 7:30 rind the rlece
*ould be 1.00hed into by Jes ncn. 110i1.1 tall: to ;Tatershed District
iecincs0n;r ni�,ht and notify mot a,;i scion or r::eeti.ng.
E. Report on hi.nancinr- Tools Avail.nb].c to the City for Pnrk s and
tecreanzo;x 1'ro1�rai:1
The rci ort t7n;; c:i.stributed by d'c^sen to tl..e i:Icinbers for use as
bncl„.;rouaa infor: ration and basi.q far evaluation of rro ;rn;ns, and
t0 1:':I.G r!:Ci)!. .:"17 ,1.L..i.C1:`3 to ti.i iit,y Council.. Je ."el"1 asked for
thnxil:ca Jc,oc;n for rutting; rej:ort to-otl-!er
and felt it 11culd ho Very helpful. No Action Required.
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November 4, 1974
F. 1975 Prorrarn Burlret
The budget was discussed. Garens felt t1lat tt-e Cor.•taission should
review the bud et before ;submitting it to the Council. Tlio Cor:r;i._ssion
should be i.t:vol•%red in revielaing of initial drnft and making a recotr iOnda_
Lion on it. Erickson a,,^lced if they could have a review. Jessen stated
tl.at the budget land always been reviewed on or before September 15 at
the ti::e "iven to ti.. Jouncil. Erickson co.:u:tinted t�a,,"as lir:::i•tcd becauae •they can Only recotmnend and Qo notthave the t�.,sion
least n Po,rex". Garens fe1.t t.:at the Council had tine along lritli at
least 90:> of tl:e Oostinicssion's suggestions. No Action Required.
ITT. DISCUSSIONS
A. Discussion of. idci^hborhood Facilities mcetinrs 'Intl stu(
Jessen reported that there was a need to develop a specific
neighborhood facility proposal to go to the Council, then to the
School Board, with the Possible inclusion of an indoor skating facility.
le also felt that there was a need for some community parks.
Choiniere lrnnts to see three alproaches to this issue, and get the
basic ides. -r' ich approach ,: .001) e
1. I;nadl.es tl�e very ir:,r.ori.nte need of the high priority neighbor-
hood, which are those which have nothin- zrit'nin i•ralki.ng distance.
2. Support fewer areas that would be costlier in nature, and go into
gore facilities for highly required nctivities.
C 3. A l:.i€;hly devel.or)cd central facility for all types of activities.
it a su):x rior cort;.1•e;=, and that way have nore to of_cr.
1,bve the People to the area.
�n,er co!:_ rntcd that •t1lo Staff ;.rill i:ave to give sor.:c sidelines as to
wh;;t cr=roes a certain neighborhood facility, as far as density etc..
It ',as I;ointed out b1r Choini.r-.re that tine t:eirhborhood density Was a
constatitJ.y c]:.an[i nrr thing. The ratin-; of _ riorities Wit! in individual
parks i:Mas considered ii,irortant by L*n;^er.
The question was as]:ed 171.en should the r:rocoss of into neii-hbor-
ooc;s to find out I•rirat people i 1 I are nterestec] in begin. Choiniere su-,resta2l
that i i_�h school -student be asked to go around With the survey. En,;er
and Choiniere felt tl;at a c:oor-to-door survey z,ras the best ?.ray to ,Cc` -1nlish ,
the job of findin,; out )cor)le's trishes. It was rilso brcug..t t;t-: i.l:at this `
aut",7Q, 1•rould 1:elp iclentif•;- on tine bond issue t•r]jnt r•coi:le do :rr,nt.
Choiniete �•rl:etl.er the %5,OC:0 caritnl e,-r-cnciiture nl:y,ropriation by
this Council. for "`risible Pnrl: ilaprovetnent;," could', be usr-d for ice
skatir.-; facilities. Jessen answered that lie did not 1now whether it could
Ter that puri�ose, but would look into it. 1 o Action Required.
It ' ovr c 1?Y �ricl.son, seconded by Anderson
nd;ourned c , that tile r,reating be
].,oti.o.n c.�.rricd unc..r_i_:rou„ly.
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