Parks and Recreation - 11/27/1972 1972
NOVEMBER 13 , 27
MINUTES
CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMIU SSI0N MEETING
Iovember 13, 1972 7:30 p.m. Eden Prairie Village Hall
Present: Ularvin Erickson, Hilliam Garens, Dean Holasek,
Janet b erkland, Terry Fields, Dick Anderson,
John Cosmano, Marty Jessen, Reed Olson, Dan Schmitz,
and Len Swedlund, representative from Ecklund-
Swedlund.
Absent: Francis L'lacklock, Pita Kooitnan, Bob Johnson, and
Marge O'Ryan.
I. hinutes
MI Holasek, S/Berkland, to approve the September 25, 1972
minutes. Carried.
19/ Garens, S/ Cosmano, to approve the October 18, 1972
minutes. Carried.
The minutes were not approved until a quorum was met by
late joining commission members.
II. Petitions, Requests and Communications
A. Request to Sponsor Explorer Post 231.
Jessen opened discussion explaining various activities of
Explorer Scouting Post 231. Post 231 indicated they wanted
sponsorship from the commission.
Garens asked two questions: 1) What type of help are they
looking for? 2) What type of financial help? Jessen
answered question (2) stating that Post 231 wanted none
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what so ever as yet, but there might be special projects in the
future that they would request financial support for.
M/ Garens, S/ Fields, that the Park and Recreation Commission
agrees to sponsor Explorer Post 231 in conservation field
with no financial commitments unless formal presentation is
made to the Park and Recreation Commission. Carried.
B. Request for Joint Council , Planning and Zoning Commission and
Park and Recreation Commission Meeting with Representatives
of Homart Development Corporation -- Thursday, November 16, 1972,
at 6:30 P.M., Chanhassen Dinner Theater -- Jonathan Banquet.
Jessen advised and urged the Park and Recreation Commission
to attend the meeting. Several commission members indicated
they would attend the November 16, meeting.
III. Recommendations and Reports.
A. Agency Liaison Reports.
Jessen attended Purgatory and Riley Creek District meeting,
Jessen displayed Eden Prairie Open Space System Map and told
them a formal presentation would be made on December 1 , 1972.
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Uilliam Garens reported on the Ninnesota Recreation and
Parks Association, Annual Fall Conference meeting, comments
were made in regirds to speakers, displays and to the effective-
ness of the conference.
Sample manuals of the Boards and Commission history are available
through Bob Artz.
Narvin Erickson obtained information on 1973 budget for the
Suburban Recreation Association. They have allocated a $200.00
expense account to the Village.
B. Development Proposals
1. Hidden Ponds - Jessen briefly informed the commission about
the key problems of the plan.
Discussion from commissions and some of the highlights:
a. Same proposal , same issues as last meeting.
b. Representative from Ecklund-Swedlund displayed the same
plan with no changes, the commission again would not
accept the proposed private park plan.
c. Representative asked the commission for different ideas.
Jessen indicated the placement of the ballpark, tennis
courts, are not suitable. The private park system is not
agreement with the commission. There is a conflict in
the trail system to the golf course. The layout of the
ballpark and tennis courts is not satisfactory to meet
the overall recreational needs of the people of Eden
Prairie.
d. Representative proposed the park be public. The
commission felt this was a different situation to be
considered.
H/ Anderson, S/ Fields, that no action should be taken until
the Village Planner, Dick Putnam, tarty Jessen, and Len
Swedlund, representative of Ecklund - Swedlund get together
with means of providing the proper placement of trails, roads
and parks. Carried.
2. Olympic Hills - Discussion
a. The plan displays in appropriate use of land.
b. Tile environmental impact is very negative.
c. The home sites are on slopes of 40% grade.
d. Home sites are on the flood plain.
e. Roads that tear the hill apart.
f. High density surrounding single family units.
M/ Garens, S/ Erickson, that Parks and Recreation Commission
express disapproval of the overall plan based on staff reports
of the environmental impact, minutes of the October 18, 1972
meeting, plus the building on steep slopes. Carried.
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C. Byrant Lake Park Acquisition - Status Report and Crosstown
Highway Plans.
Jessen explained Byrant Lake background and that Lawcon placed
Byrant Lake #2 on list of high priority parks for acquisition
throughout the iietro-Region. however, Jessen went on to explain
the kicker due to the Crosstown Highway proposal . Jessen dis-
played an aerial map showing the prnposed highway site. Points
were made indicating the highway alignment as proposed would
in fact sever Eden Prairie Bryant Lake Park Plan. Jessen then
called the commission's attention to Resolution #438 made by
the Eden Prairie Council relative to the South Alignment East
of 494 across from Nine-bile Creek.
Discussion began with the commission cormnenting on the model
plan of the 62 Crosstown Highway System in relationship to the
Bryant Lake Land Acquisition. The commission didn't favor
destroying park land by means of a highway system. The commission
felt if the highway was realigned it would work as a buffer
between Piinnetonka Industrial site vs. Eden Prairie Bryant Lake
Park site.and adjacent residential development. The proposed
highway system would break-up entire equestrian trail system,
thus limiting connecting trails around Bryant Lake. The poin g t
C was made that if in fact 62 Crosstown Highway System was to 0
through according to Resolution #438 the Lawcon grant of 100%
funding for Byrant Lake Park Plan could be entirely lost.
The commission felt that Minnetonka has not fully complied tlith
the terms of Resolution 01.38 as they relate to the preservation of
natural open space along Nine-Mile Creek.
Staff will meet with Minnetonka in compliance with Resolution
#r438 to determine the extent of the overall open space plan
of both Minnetonka and Eden Prairie.
H/ Erickson, S/ Garens, that the Parks and Recreation Commission
recommend to the Council that they reconsider the resolution made
by the Council on Resolution #438 relative to South 62 crosstown
alignment east of 494 across the Nine-Mile Creek/kowl avid Road Valley.
D. Eden Prairie Communtiy Education Program Report.
No work sessions have been planned. A preliminary plan should
be ready by next meeting.
E. Park System Planning Report.
Jessen displayed open space systems map and suggested discussion
on the park systems planning reports which were handed out to
the commission members.
F. Holasek Option Extension.
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Page Four c G. H/Garens, S/ Erickson, to recommend to the Council to approve
the Option for Les `3lacklock land on Anderson Lake for park purposes.
H. H/ Garens, S/ Erickson, to accept $100,000 bid for Wayne Brown
property at Anderson Lake for park purposes.
The meeting was adjourned.
Dan Schmitz, Reed Olson
Substitute Secretaries
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS Af1U RECREATIOW COf HISSION MEETING
Novem�er 27, 1972 6:30 P.M. Village Hall
Present: Harvin Erickson, Dean Ilolasek, Jan Gerkland, Dick Anderson
John Cosriano, Frances Glacklock, Rita Kooiman, Harty Jessen,
Park and Recreation Director, Reed Olson and Dan Schmitz,
Student Intern, Bob Heinrich, Village Manager.
Absent: [large O'Ryan, Bob Johnson, Terry Fields and William Garens.
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I. Petitions, Requests, and Communications
A. flike Gorra -- Request for action on plat at Anderson Lakes and/or
acquisn/condemnation of land involved.
Discussion:
Jessen reported that Hr. Gorra's asking price for his land on
the East shore of the South Anderson Lake aas $9,500/Ac. for
the 2G.75 Acres plus $75,000 for the house or $8,500/Ac., $75,000
for the house plus 5 years guarenteed occupancy. The property
has been appraised at $7,000/Acre and $62,25U for the house and
a total of $246,000. Jessen reviewing this with Harlan Perbix,
Village Attorney, and recommended condemnation based on these facts.
Question: What was Jessen's offer to Mr. Gorra? The offer was
C $8,000/Acre, $75,000/house = $285,000 net total , no occupancy
guarentee of more than 3 years.
Question: What will condemnation procedures cost the Village of
Eden Prairie? The cost will be $50/Commissioner per session,
plus legal fees.
At this point the Commission felt that there was no way to lose
in condemnation proceedings.
H/Anderson, S/Berkland that condemnation proceedings begin on
the Gorra property upon receipt of appropriate authorization from
the Federal Bureau of Outdoor Recreation. Hotion carried.
B. [1etro Open Space Advisory Board -- Notice of open house, lJednesday, t
November 29, 1972, 7:30 P.H., Metro Square Building. Discussion
about the meeting and instructions were given as to how to get
to the hetro Square Building.
Ii. Recommendations and Reports
T.-Development--Proposa s
1. Shelter Corporation
Reviewed the over-all plan as displayed byJessen. The Shelter
Development will be near Duck Lake Trail . Unit density of
2.7 houses/acre. There will be public open space along
Purgatory Creek; as well as internal trails and open space.
The high knoll will be an open space area with the possibility
of an amateur ski slope on the S11 side of the slope.
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The opinion of the commission was that it was a fine plan.
Formal action will be taken at the next meeting.
2. Anderson Lake P.U.D. 1
Jessen distributed the P.U.D. booklet to the Commission. 1
After briefly reviewing the plan, the Commission expressed
the following considerations: Good points were: 1) Preservation
of trees, 2) Underground parking.
The Commission felt that building height is a more important
consideration than the number of units when compared to the
impact and view from the Anderson Lakes nature area.
Plans were to be reviewed further at a future meeting.
3. Northern States Power - ICaerwer Harsh Plan
Fran Blacklock wished to hear what has been developing
between N.S.P. and 19 acres of land in the Kaerwer Marsh
Area. Bob Heinrich indicated there would be an outright a
dedication of the 19 acres by N.S.P. in the very near future.
B. Crosstown Hi hway/Bryant Lake Park Status Report� -- Jessen reviewed
e s atus of-the-lAVICON-Grant'application, the highway plan
and Minnetonka's plan.
(A lengthy discussion followed concerning developments in the
Bryant Lake Park area. ) Blacklock said that as long as Minnetonka
can't make up their minds about land uses in the area (IndUStriai
vs. Park) Eden Prairie ought to take a stand opposing the Southern
alignment. Anderson questioned the need for the Crosstown extension
due to proximity to 212-5-494 interchange. Heinrich said that
Eden Prairie was going to proceed with their park plant and pending
grant application and if Minnetonka failed to make a concrete
commitment to preserve the Creek Valley "all bets were off" as
far as past agreements and resolutions were concerned.
Question: What effect would the Southern highway alignment have
on the grant application? .lessen said that if the highway went
South, at least that part of the park lying North of the road would
not be funded and possibly the whole equestrian center would be
in jeopardy.
M/Anderson, S/Erickson that a statement be prepared by Jessen
for the Council stating the Park and Recreation Commissions position..
(Memo to Council Attached)
C. Eden Prairie Comnunitty Education Program Status Report -- Jessen
reported that Vie; Jolin osmano, Earl Rallis ancT bob Fa non had
been meeting as a Task Force to prepare a recommendation to the
Village and School District. The Task Force recommendation is to
emphasize Research and Sketal Program Development rather than detail
development and implementation of programs. A long discussion
followed about the merits of this emphasis as opposed to program
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implementation, etc. The Commission also raised the question
about the kind of job skills and talent;; this person would need
to have. Jessen indicated that the person would need the ability
to get people involved, to solicit interest and commitment from
both the community and fellow staff members. A further report
will be made at the next meeting.
D. Park S stem Planning Report -- Jessen reported that the Task Force
had ietand was refining plans and considering possible financial
resources for implementation.
M/Anderson, S/Holasek that the meeting be adjourned.
Dan Schmitz
Eden Prairie Intern
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