Parks and Recreation - 06/26/1972 1972
JUNE 12 , 26
MINUTES
CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
L.LLLO x1xti►.L,"— t'Acu AND iu,t..�.:.i1' iv.. .c•li°, .�.iiiW A.&L,''1IAG
June 12, 1972 7:30 p.m. Eden Prairie Village Hall
Present: Marvin Erickson, Chairman, William Garens, Richard
Anderson, Frances Blacklock, Terry Fields, Rita Kooiman,
Marge O'Ryan; Reed Olson, asst. rec. dir. , Marty Jessen,
Park and Rea. Director, Dick Putnam, village planner.
Others present: James A. Jones, consultant with The Preserve,
Mark Z. Jones, MZJ Associates, Inc. 5290 Villaway, j
developer of Moorings, Preserve; Richard J. Schwarz,
architect, Moorings; James Robin, landscape architect,
Moorings; Bill Bonner, Preserve; George Carter, Carter
and Gertz, Preserve; John Gertz, Carter and Gertz, Preserve;
Lee Johnson, Carter and Gertz, Preserve; K. W. Person,
Minnegasco, Preserve; Mr. and Mrs. Jerry Rodberg, 65.60
Rowland Road; R. H. Eisch, 6629 Manchester Lane.
Steve Geiger, mgr. of Round Lake and Bryant Lk. Parks
with two assistants; Mr. Tanglen, Bryant Lake resident.
The meeting was called. to order by the chairman.
I. Minutes O'Ryan asked that on Page 2 in the first paragraph on Round Lake
May 10, 1972 Development that the statement that°the school board is engaged in
finding and studying alternatives to Round Lake for a high school"
be stricken since the Board has decided upon Round Lake as one site.
The statement should read,. "The school board is engaged in finding
and studying a second site for a high school."
16/Garens, S/O'Ryan that the minutes of May 10 be approved as
corrected. Carried.
May 22 , 1972 M/Garens, S/Anderson that the minutes of May 22 be approved. Carried.
II. CCommuni ations June
A. iVietro 0. Jessen said the Metro Open Space Advisory Board will meet Mmy 13 at
Carver Nature Center following a tour of sites including the
Anderson Lakes.
III.
Recommendations and Reports
A. Mini-bike Mr. Eisch, a resident living adjacent to King Forest Park spoke of
ordinance the danger from mini-bikes to children playing in the park and said
the bikes have made a race track through the park. He questioned the
liability if a child gets injured. He felt it might help to put up
barricade where 66th feeds the park. Because there is no village
ordinance as yet, Jessen felt it is difficult to enforce any rules
on mini-bikes but said he would have signs put up right away.
O'RyanL, mentioned her concern re: bikes in K.F. Park also.
M/Garens, S/O+Ryan that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend
to the Council that the Mini-Bike Ordinance be approved. Carried.
(Copy oil file)
B. Horse Ordinance - Action deferred to the next meeting.
( C. Schooner Jessen reported that Schooner Days was a great success financially
\ Days Report and that more details would be available later.
i� '
E.P.Park and Rea. Camzn. Mtg. June 12, 1972 Page 2
I
III. I
D. Summer Rec. Olson distributed copies of Preliminary Recreation Report (oopy on
Report file). Registration in the Summer Program exclusive of "Summer Fun"
and shimming is up from last year - 237 to 134. Season Beach ticket
sales are up - 219 from 136 last year. However Summer Fun registra-
tions are down - 134 compared to 181 last year, and swimming is down
-- 204 compared to 258 last year. In the Summer Fun program the
Tiny Tot registration showed a slight increase over last year.
He said the girls softball program is underway. E.P. has four winners
in the regional Hit, Pitch and Throw competitions. Co-Rec Volleyball
has three teams. A series of Concerts in the Park begins this weekend
at Round Lake.
E. Dutch Elm Survey - deferred until next meeting.
F. Development
Proposals
1. Moorings This is a proposed development of The Preserve and Mark Z.Jones on
the south end of Anderson Lakes. Jessen introduced Bill Bonner of
The Preserve staff who gave a general background of The Preserve and
showed on a map the whole area of 1200 acres, the area being developed
now, the 50-foot shoreline strip and 22-acre school-park site being
dedicated an public land, 115-acre Neil Lake being restored which will
be quasi-public. the system of pathways with four underpasses to the
school and lake area. He said clustering of housing which will have
a wide range of costs and types - moderate income, rental projects,
condominium and high cost homes. and the preservation of open space
allows the developer to acme out wonomicallay. Some of the Preserve is
included in the Ring Route.
Bonner introduced Mark Jones who showed slides of some of his develop-
ments; most of them also managed by Mark Management Co. Slides of
the area they wish to develop on the south shore of Anderson Lakes were
shown. Dr. Al Jones. naturaliat on the faculty of Macalester College
and consultant for The Preserve talked about the marsh which flows
into the lake which would be a feature of Moorings. He said it is
beautiful as it exists today because of this year's high water level;
In normal years it would be dry part of the year. He said open water
would be created along the edges for viewing and the water level
maintained. Drawings were shown of development plans for each sector
and how they would fit into the natural features of the land.
George Carter noted that this area is included in the village's
LAWCON application for park acquisition funds; the village has not
received an answer yet on the application. He noted the areas The
Preserve has dedicated as public lands: 100 feet on either side of
Purgatory Creek, 1100-foot wide pathway to Neil Lake, a 50-foot wide
strip along lakeshore of Anderson Lakes with semi easement up to 175
feet to protect vegetation in perpetuity. The Preserve will not sell
lakeshore lots; as sell land the dedication is part of the sale. The
Preserve will oppose use of canoes only; once boats are put on lake
they will destroy what they are trying to preserve. From 1150 acres
( they have 450 on which to build. He said it all has to be economically
feasible over a ten year period.
OtRyan questioned the size of the school-park site of 22 acres; a
new law requires 13 acres for a school which would leave only only
scant acreage for park. Carter said his understanding was 8 acres for
E.P. Park and Rea. Comm. Mtg. June 12, 1972 Page 3
a school leaving 14 acres for the school park.
Blacklock said she understood 'that The Preserve was selling their
land to developers who would build the developments, and asked what
The Preserve's connection was with Mark Jones. Carter replied that
The Preserve was a partner with Jones on this development (Moorings) .
Putnam said that in the original PUD permit for The Preserve that
tract #2 where the proposed Moorings is located was to be residential.
He said that the °rhinohead" between the two Anderson Lakes, which
will be left essentially natural, needs supportive area for people --
parking, service etc. to take oars of the greater population of the
future.
Jessen said the village LAWCON application submitted in February
included an envirforruental impact statement. He questioned what
effect deleting tract #2 would have on the whole system. He noted
that in order to have wildlife there has to be a backstage large
enough so they have protection and areas that will not be intruded
upon. There also have to be people areas large enough so that the
park isn't limited to narrow trails. He suggested that at the special
meeting on June 26 that we have experts to discuss what is needed to
have a park of the kind we envision. and what effect deleting certain
lands would have on the park.
M/082yan(:, S/Garens that we adopt Jessen's suggestion and defer further
consideration until June 26 special meeting. Carried.
III. F. 2. Mike Gorra Subdivision - deferred until June 26.
3. Briarhill - Edenvale. Jessen introduced Don Peterson, President.
Eden Land Corporation who presented a general information session
of slides and discussion of the overall plans for Edenvals (See IV
A. of the agenda) prior to discussion of the specific proposal for
Briarhill. Peterson showed a revised map of Edenvals. He said Mitchell
Road extension to Baker Road will be done this summer. The golf course
has been newly laid out. There will be 250 acres of green open space
public or semi-public including a 35-acre school-park site, which would
be public. Some areas are private-owner controlled to facilitate foot
traffic to the creek, stores. offices, school etc. They are aiming for
a minimum of tree cutting in the placement of sewers and roads. They
are preserving ponds to collect storm water to let it out slowly to
Purgatory Creek through small 12-inch pipes. This lowers cost to
developer and home owner and helps to clear water of sedimentation and
leaves that goes into creek. 48 acres of private land on Purgatory
will be left untouched. He said it might be possible to extend the
pedestrian system in the future to Birch Island Lake and south of Hwy.
5 to Staring Lake and The Preserve.
Anderson was concerned about the narrow 50-foot strip between Purgatory
Creek and the buildings in the NW sector. Peterson replied that it
was the 50-foot minimum and there was limited roam for building between
Edenvale Blvd. and the creek, but that the strip allows for pedestrian
`-- system on sewer right of way. Anderson noted that the Park and Roo.
has asked for 100-foot minimum dedication on either side of creeks.
Peterson feelat that 100 feet in this area is not necessary as the valley
is steep and narrow. He said Edenvale is being platteid in 19 individual
parcels, and each one has to came up for approval. so there is opportunity
E. P. Park and Rea. Comm. Mtg. June 12, 1972 Page 4
to decide on particular features before
permits are given.
Blacklock asked for a tour of the area in order to judge the
\ terrain and creek dedication. Peterson agreed, June 26. meet at Edenvale.
Garens asked is a non-resident of Edenvale could travel the
pathways from the NW border to the S. boundary. Peterson said
the inner pathways are essentially for private use. They are
quasi-public but open for public use. At some time they may belong
to the home owners, but there could be permanent dedication at the time
a plat comes up for approval. He said the lower Purgatory sectbn
is an easement - not dedication.
In answer to various questions Peterson said: no facility for pedes-
trian crossing of Mitchell at present except on-grade crossing. con-
trolled with stop light. Will have underpass of Valley View just NW
of intersection.
There was much discussion re: continuation of pedestrian path south
along Purgatory and crossing Hwy. 5. Putname said this is a "spaghetti"
of hwys. and interchanges, might be better to follow Mitchell (a park-
way) south of 212 and bypass that section of Purgatory which will be
essentially commercial development. He said there will have to be a
pedestrian crossing at the Ring Route and could possibly use that
crossing over Hwys- 5 and 212.
Briarhill: 1/3 mile N. of Valley View and N of commercial area was
originally zoned for 16* units per Aare. New application is for 11.7
per acre of moderate income housing. It is convenient to shopping area,
trail system, school, park areas, churches, and will have underpass under
Valley View to the east. Paterson suggested control between R.R. and
private housing by fencing or brambles.
M/Anderson, S/Garens that the Park and Recreation Commission recommends
that vegetation be planted on steep slope along Chicago NW R.R. track
on the southeast end of the property, and with that, we reoonumend the
site. Carried unanimously.
'III. F. 4. St. John's Wood - deferred
IV. Discussions
A. Edenvale Open Space System - See III. F. 3.
B. Phone Company Easement - deferred until June 26
C. Bryant Lake - 1972 rations. A sheet with current regulations was
distributed (on file Steve Geiger, manager of Round Lake and Bryant
Park asked to have h.p. ceiling on boats lauohed at Bryant raised.
He cited the good record of boating safety on Bryant and said that
a representative of the D.N.R. had suggested that 15 - 20 boats plus
residents' boats on the lake would be OK. Present limit is 5 h.p.,
�- have turned away about 30 bo*B over limit; water skiing takes 40 - 50 h.p.
Jensen said it was our perogative to limit h.p., but D.N.R. may be
ultimate agency to make decision. Al Burnham felt that water pataol
can enforce rules and make lake safe. Anderson felt that until DNR
sets regulations we'll have to open lake to everyone.
M/Anderson, S/ Erickson that the Park and Recreation Commission
E.P.Park and Recreation Commission Mtg. June 12, 1972 Page 5
reccmuaends that Bryant Lake be open to all boats until we get
a regulation from the Dept. of Natural Resources. Carried.
Fees: Anderson was disturbed that his Round Lake Swim ticket
didn't admit him to Round Lake. After considerable discussion it
was agreed to roe end:
Bryant �
500 per person, pre-schoolers free ( eason ticket avail 8 $7.28)
$1.00 any boat except over 10 h.p. ($2.00)
D.
Trail underpasses - Anderson said he felt we were being inconsistent
in our trail system and underpasses on Edenvale and Preserve. He
suggested the Hwy Dept. be contacted to see how we are going to get i
underpasses taken care of.
The meeting was adjourned by the chairman.
Frances Blacklock, Secretary
I
i
I
I
i
j
II
i
i
` EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COKKISSICN SPECI E MEETING
June 26, 1972 Eden Prairie Village Hall 8:30 p.m.
Present: Marvin Erickson, William Gurens, Janet Berkland,
Rita Kooiman, Frances Blacklock; Marty Jessen, Park
and Recreation Director, Dick Putnam, Village Planner,
George Hite, Village Manager, Donald Brauer, Brauer and
Associates, George Carter and other representatives of
The Preserve and Moorings, proposed development on the
south shore of Anderson Lake.
Tour of Prior to the meeting at Village Hall, the above Park and Recreation
Edenvale members and member Terry Fields, met at the office of Edenvale to
6:30-8:30 tour that development with Don Peterson, president and others on
his staff. Members observed and discussed development sites,
roadways. greenways, holding ponds and Purgatory Creek where it runs
on the west edge of one proposed development. A question had been
raised at previous meetings whether or not a 50-foot parkway strip
was adequate between the creek and private development. After the
tour commission members drove to the Village Hall for a special meeting.
Special This meeting was called as a result of a motion June 12 to defer
meeting further consideration of Moorings proposed development until June 26
topic when experts could discuss what is needed to have a park of the kind
we envision, and what effect deleting certain lands would have on
the park.
Don Brauer- Marvin Erickson called the meeting to order. Marty Jessen introduced
History of Donald Brauer who was E.P. planner from April 1967 to August. 1971.
C Anderson He said previous to E.P.'s Guide Plan, Anderson bakes park was No. 11
Lks. Park on the Metro priority list. When the Guide Plan for E.P. was drawn
plans up. the north lake seemed to have more recreation potential than the
south lake and it could connect with Bloomington's Tierney's Woods
to make a community park -- not a metro park. (Hennepin County had
turned down the park site due to the high cost of land.) The 11rhino-
head° between the two lakes and the area around the north lake was
designated for pak on the Guide Plan.
When The Preserve came into being, its proposal didn't match the
Guide Plan, but improved on it with the compensation of restoring
Neil Lake in place of the large piece of land in the northwest sector.
Metro moved the park site at No. 2 in its acquisition priorities and
went to Hennepin County to form an application to LAWCON to make it a
metro park.
When a park becomes metro in scope, the scale of the area has to change.
Those involved in planning the park for the application for funds knew
that a water resource is no good without the support of land resource.
so they had to arrive at boundaries. (Most of the marsh area on the
south shore was to be preserved as marsh on The Preserve plan.) Both
marsh and Amaden Road were possible boundaries and the road was chosen
as the preferable one, on the south end of the park, caning west from
Cty. Rd. 18.
As a resource the south and of the lake performs an important function.
It affords an eye level. large scale view of the whole length of the
lakes. If it doesn't happan here, it won't be possible at all, it is
unique and thre is no other place for such a view. 150 cars could park
here to view the lake. He feels it should be preserved for the public.
E.P. Pk. and Roe. Comm. Special Mtg. June 26, 1972 Page 2
The concept of the Anderson Lakes Park is for a major wildlife
and nature interpretive center. If any boating is allowed it could
spoil nesting areas. The lake is largely inaccessible -- marshy
shores and small paths will make it private for wildlife. Any boating,
even canoeing, would be a negativevnput, destroying the feeling of
security to wildlife.
Brauer feels this is an honest park proposal. The Preserve was
allowed higher density for housing because of their park dedication,
and open space preservation.
Jessen- Jessen said there were two grant appliot.ons sutmitted to LAWCON -
Grant-Ap- two numbers in tandem - one for Eden Prairie and axd one for Bloomington.
Plication If our park plan is changed it would mean changing applications which
would set back the approval time eight months to a year -- a drastic
time schedule change.
Brauer- Putnam asked what the relationship of land is to the water -- how much
How much land do we need for people? Brauer said that at Wood Lake parking for
land needed 100 cars is needed to accommodate 300 people- 125 oars could acoca o-
date 400 people on trails. At Anderson Lakes, all support has to be at
the south and, and it should be kept in mind that this is a metro, not
a city resource. It will be more than a natural area, with a place for
picnicking and all-day facilities. It isn't so much a question of
how much land is taken away, but where it is taken. Lakeshore would
be crucial.
Hite- Hite questioned whether land west of the marsh is needed for support,
Procedure but its removal from the park would affect the grant application. He
suggested that before we make any decision we find out from the LA4CON
people what would happen to our grant application. This is not a
typical grant application which may increase the opportunity of modifi-
cation.
Part of the park grant application was in the area approved for PUD.
But need area east of marsh to support the park. The conflict is with
function -- Hite recommended hanging tight on other owners (8 in all)
on south shore.
Ann Arbor (LAWCON office) has said our application would be decided
next fall, at least by late November. They want an appraisal of the
dedicated land on the west shore. They have reviewed the application
to the extent that everything is in order, and they have advised the
village to proceed with acquisition. The Environmental Impact State-
ment is holding it up -- has to go through many rewritings from one
agency to another.
Hite cited two choices:
1. Between now and next meeting try to get beat possible
reading of grant application. I
2. Reinforce original action and hold to original application plans.
E.P. Pk. and Rea. Cagan. Special Mtg. June 26, 1972 Page 3
M/ Garens, S/Beh&and that the Park and Recreation Commission
Q table further consideration to the next meeting July to, to see
what affect relinquishing the west side of the marsh will have
on our LAWCON application. Motion carried.
Before the vote was taken, Hite asked George Carter his opinion
of the motion. Carter stated that he thought it was a reasonable
proposal and that they would go along with i He said they
didn't want to jeopardize the possibility of�ge-Eting the LAWCON
grant.
The meeting was adjourned.
Frances HLacklock, Secretary
w