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C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 1994 7:00 P. M. CITY CENTER
8080 MITCHELL ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Diane Popovich Lynch, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Richard
Brown, Claire Hilgeman, Vicki Koenig, David Kracum,
Joanne Kube-Harderwijk
STUDENT MEMBER: Mark Bremer f
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape
Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural
Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation
Services
I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES SPECIAL MEETING JUNF 21 & JULY 18 1994
IV. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS I
A. None
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS I
A. Hartford Place
B. Doolittles Air Cafe
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. Recommendation for Priority Facility Usage
VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. Replacement of Prairie View Warming House
B. Update on Land Acquisition Status and Five Year Capital Improvement
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C. Award Bids for Playstructures at Miller and Eden Lake Parks
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VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. RgRorts of Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources
1. Promotional Signs on Corner of Valley View Road and County Road 4
IX. ADJOURNMENT
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APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 1994 7:00 P.M. CITY CENTER
8080 MITCHELL ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Diane Popovich Lynch, Chair; David Kracum,
Claire Hilgeman, Vicki Koenig, Joanne Kube-
Harderwijk, Bruce Bowman
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Richard Brown
STUDENT MEMBER: Mark Bremer
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation
and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross,
Landscape Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of
Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling,
Manager of Recreation Services;Bob Lanzi,Athletic
Coordinator
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I. ROLL CALL
Meeting called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chair, Diane Popovich Lynch
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
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Lynch asked that an update from Fox on the Tree Preservation Ordinance Committee be
added to the agenda.
MOTION: Moved by Koenig, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to approve the agenda as
amended.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - SPECIAL MEETING TUNE 21 & JU Y 18 1994
Recording Secretary stated these should be the Minutes of August 15, 1994. Hilgeman
requested absent commission member be changed to Bruce Bowman. Koenig requested
that the motion on page 4 should be "Moved by Lynch, seconded by Koenig to deny the
request for using snowmobiles on the Lake Riley Trail, Motion passed 4 - 1, 1
abstention." Lynch corrected spelling of"July", page 5 V.A. second sentence.
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman,seconded by Koenig to approved the Minutes of August
15, 1994 as amended. Motion passed 5 -0, 1 abstention.
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IV. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. None
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Hartford Place - Steve Schwanke from RLK Associates gave a brief overview of
the project. There hasn't been much change since the inception; only some site
features as follows: A change in one area from initial townhouse residential to
unidentified commercial use, minor modifications in the townhouse development,
adding more buffering and berming, treating storm water runoff to NURP
standards, installing a five foot fence as a barrier between homes and conservancy,
and the trail and sidewalk features as indicated in the 9-13-94 memo from Cross.
Schwanke's response to Koenig's request for a review of the tree replacement was
that it would be in the upper 20's. Cross stated the site is covered with a lot of
tree masses making it look wooded and brushy; the trees aren't large.
Cross also stated that wetland mitigation is being done according to current
standards.
Hilgeman wondered if all the residents concerns have been addressed. Schawnke
replied that they have been working on resident concerns since March and made
a number of concessions. Cross stated that the residents wanted to keep an
existing 20' berm and that's been done. The second concession was concerning
a 100' buffer between the new homes and the existing homes. They have asked
for a smaller front yard setback to accommodate the existing homeowners request.
The only unresolved issue is the trail connecting the new development to Preserve
Park. It will be routed behind the new townhomes instead of the existing homes.
Cross also stated the fence along the lake will continue along the residential area
and wrap around the berm to keep people and pets out. Lambert indicated that the
developer plans to put the fence on the owner's property. Therefore, the owners
would be responsible for maintaining the fence. If it were on Hennepin Parks
property, they'd be responsible for maintaining the fence.
Cross stated that there would be cash park fees.
Lambert stated that rezoning this property won't significantly alter any changes in
the guide plan for parks. The plan is still to provide neighborhood parks within
a 1/2 mile radius of homes. The plan is to have enough community parks to
accommodate athletics and then neighborhood parks will seem more available to
residents.
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Schwanek's response to the bald eagle sighting was that it was researched and
nothing was verified.
MOTION: Moved by Kracum, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to approve the
Hartford Place Development as per staff recommendation of 9-13-94 with the
Supplementary Staff Report to August 4, 19 and September 9 Planning Staff
Report. Motion passed 6 - 0.
B. Doolittles Air Cafe - Cross reiterated her attached September 13, 1994 memo on
the Supplemental Staff Report to September 9 Planning Staff Report for Doolittles
Air Cafe.
Lambert stated that Doolittles has paid a significant dollar amount already and
does want to build here. They've already paid $75,000 of extras on this site and
they say they can't afford to pay $69,000 for 1.66 acres of land. Wal-Mart's
response was that they will just continue to lease to someone else and not
subdivide the property, making it ineligible for cash park fees. Doolittles wants
to own their land, not lease it. Dan Olson from Doolittles indicated to Lambert
in a telephone conversation that they can't afford any more than the $5,395.
Lambert thinks Option#2 to pay the $9,620 is fair because that is the amount he
would have to pay on any other site for that size restaurant in Eden Prairie.
MOTION: Moved by Kracum, seconded by Bowman to recommend approval of
Doolittles Air Cafe with the provision that they agree to pay cash park fees of
approximately $9,620 as indicated by staff based upon the reasoning set forth by i
staff in the 9-13-94 report. Motion passed 6 - 0.
In discussion, commission members questioned why Wal Mart was not required
to pay park fees with their approval. Lambert explained that state law ties the
right to charge park fees to the subdivision of land. Wal Mart bought a parcel of
property that did not requrie subdivision; therefore, technically they were not
required to pay the fee. Commission members expressed dismay that Wal Mart
used a loop hole to get around a requirement to pay their fare share toward the
City's park and open space system. They wanted the record to reflect their
disappointment with Wal Mart.
VI. OLD BU 1S_NESS
A. Recommendation for Priority Facility Usage - Lanzi and Hilgeman presented the
report and recommendations to the Commission. Lanzi read through each
issue/recommendation as outlined in the memo of September 9, 1994 regarding
Recommendation for Priority Facility Usage. Both Lanzi and Hilgeman gave
some of the background discussion surrounding each issue as Lanzi presented it.
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Lanzi noted that Issue E/Recommendation 3 would be a gradual change. Maybe
starting with the youngest in-house level in each association.
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to approve the
Recommendations for Priority Facility Usage as outlined in Memo of September
9, 1994. Motion passed 6 - 0.
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A. Replacement of Prairic View Warming House-Fox presented his recommendation
for purchasing a facility to replace the Prairie View Warming house as per his
memorandum of September 15, 1994. It gives the most options and the ability to
use for a longer period of time. The size would be 8' x 32'. -1
" MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to purchase a
mobile unit to replace the Prairie View Warming House. Motion
passed 6 - 0.
B. Update on Tree Preservation Ordinance - Fox said the Parks Commission made
a recommendation that the Task Force revisit the issue of the Tree Preservation
Ordinance. Fox's recommendation was to take this up in the fall with the Parks
Commission, the Planning Commission and the City Council. Jullie's
recommendation to Fox today was that they wait until January(after City Council
elections) and they have a workshop type meeting inviting Park and Planning
Commissioners and Council people to brainstorm to determine what people would
like to see what can improved in the Tree Preservation Ordinance, and what issues
come up the most often. They would take the issues to the City Attorney and see
if the language is enforceable or if it needs to be a policy or guideline.
C. [12date on Land Acquisition Status and Five Year Capital Improvement Proeram- 1
Lambert indicated that the main delay in the land acquisitions was that they were
trying to leverage the referendum money to be able to acquire the Peterson site-- i
the third piece of property.
Lambert recommends that we proceed with all acquisitions now. Lambert further
recommends that we try to buy the Klein/Peterson property using cash park fees.
If this is done, many other park issues in the capital outlay will either be delayed
or will require a referendum. Lambert stated his recommendation for the
Klein/Peterson property as outlined in his memo of August 31, 1994.
Lambert said he sees the Peterson property as a park site having woodchip or
mowed grass trails, a picnic area; it'll be more of a park than the other two
conservation areas. Lambert will be viewing the site to determine if the existing
house and barn can be used or would be torn down. Lambert will determine what
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before the commission with his recommendation regarding the barn. The issue
would probably go before the Historical Society. He sees the park as a 25 - 50
.year commitment on restoring the site--moving/replacing vegetation, cleaning up
the artesian creek and ponding areas, etc.
Lambert indicated the figures in the Five Year Capital Ismprovement Revenue for
the Community Center should be $500,00 for a teen game room and $1,000,000
for the Gym.
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Koenig to approve the Update on
Land Acquisition plan per Lambert's memo of August 31, 1994 using
recommendation #2 concerning the Klein/Peterson property. Bowman amended
motion to add a recommendation to Council that there be a budget for an overall
City survey in 1995. Motion passed 6 - 0.
(Hilgeman left at 9:05 pm)
D. Award Bids for Playstructures at Miller and Eden Lake Parks - Cross highlighted
her Staff Report of 9-20-94 concerning item # IV. E. and IV. F.
MOTION: Moved by Kube-Harderwijk, seconded by Bowman to approve the
award bids for Eden Lake School and Phase II Miller Park playground equipment
�,. as per memo of 9 - 20 - 94. Motion passed 5 - 0.
VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Director of Parks Recreation and Natural Resources
1, Promotional Signs on Corner of Valley View Road and County Road 4 -
Lambert wants direction from the Commission regarding the use of signs
at this intersection. It's a high volume traffic intersection. The flower
garden is expanding each year. Lambert has gotten calls from individuals
about the signs detracting from the corner; others say go ahead and use
it.
Consensus of the Commission was that a permanent specific sign would
be a good idea. Bowman suggested that there might be some charge for
the advertising. Lambert will come back to the Commission with a plan
within the next 6 months.
IX. ADJOURNMENT - Meeting adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
( Bev Draves, Recording Secretary
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