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CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, JULY 18, 1994 7:00 P. M. CITY CENTER
8080 MITCHELL ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Diane Popovich Lynch, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Richard
Brown, Claire Hilgeman, Vicki Koenig, David Kracum,
Joanne Kube-Harderwijk
STUDENT MEMBER: Mark Bremer
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape
Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural
Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation
Services
I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 6 1994
IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Discuss Lighting Concerns at Miller Park
B. RQuests from Hockey Association and Girls Athletic Association RE:
Charitable Gambling Ordinance and Other Forms of Fund Raising Options
C. Review Petitions for Bike Trails and Recommendation for 1995 Buduet
1. County Road 4 Trail
2. Bryant Lake Drive Trail
3. Scenic Heights Trail
4. Golf View Drive Sidewalk
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Brentwood
B. Bearpath Maintenance Building
VI. OLD BUSINESS
(. A. Communi y C nter Fntry Control and Locker Room Expansion Plan
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APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION tic NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
C MONDAY, JULY 18, 1994 7:00 P.M. CITY CENTER
8080 MITCHELL ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Diane Popovich Lynch,Chair;Richard Brown,Clair
Hilgeman, Vicki Koenig, David Kracum, Joanne
Kube-Harderwijk
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Bruce Bowman
STUDENT MEMBER ABSENT: Mark Bremer r
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation
and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross,
Landscape Architect; Stuart A Fox, Manager of
Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling,
Manager of Recreation Services `I
I. ROLL CALL
Meeting called to order at 7 p.m. by Chair, Diane Popovich Lynch.
`o• II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Moved by Koenig, seconded by Kracum to approve agenda as submitted.
Motion passed 6 - 0.
I11. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 6. 1994
Moved by Koenig, seconded by Kracum to amend the Motion V. A. 1. to read "Motion ,
passed 4 - 3". Motion passed 6 - 0.
IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Discuss Lig_h•ine Concerns at Miller Park - Cross highlighted the information in
h-.r memo of July 14, 1994 regarding the lighting in Miller Park. She introduced
Keith, the manufactures representative, and Woody who would answer question
or concerns from the residents.
The following residents addressed the Commission:
Cheryl Cotter, 16837 Weston Bay Road
Jan Forsberg, 17005 Weston Bay Road
Randall Beckwith, 16996 Hanover Lane
Lynn Bachman, 17036 Weston Bay Road
�. Earl Ingram, 17064 Weston Bay Road
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Ginny Popkowski, 16785 Weston Bay Road
Lee Grayston, 16756 Weston Bay Road
All the speakers supported each other and had the same basic concern which was
the intensity of the lights that invade their privacy in their yards as well as in their
homes. Although the tree planting isn't complete, the trees won't be tall enough
to shield the lights impact on their homes. They pay high taxes and property value
is a concern. Their suggestion were shields on all the lights, redirected lights,
lights off earlier and possibly a reassessment of taxes because of the invasion of
their privacy, and lights turned off as soon as a field is no longer being used for
the evening. They invite the Commission members, staff and manufacturer's
representative to come to their homes to see for themselves the intensity of these
lights and the impact on their lives.
Keith addressed the shielding concern stating that the softball fields were designed
with the glare shields in place on all lights facing homes to the north.. If
additional glare control is added, there will be less playable light in the air above
the fields causing kids to lose balls. The field is designed for the the safety of the
players.
Cross stated that ARTECA will be delivering trees in August. Lambert indicated
the 10 p.m. curfew for lights off allows for two games per field; he recommends
we continue with 10 p.m. curfew. We have fall soccer and football which usually
go until the first part on November depending on weather, He doesn't anticipate
using the softball or baseball fields in the fall right now, although fall leagues
could happen in the future as they have with adult softball and soccer.
Keith indicated they will bring their equipment out and meet with any of the
neighbors. Kracum asked how much light could be sacrificed and still have safe
playing facility? Keith indicated that any adjustment in lights will be detrimental
to the field.
Lambert indicated that playing earlier is difficult, since most associations are run
by parents who volunteer their time; and most of them usually don't get off work
until around 5 p.m.
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Popovich Lynch that the "lighting
personnel" set up a meeting with area residents to view first hand the lighting
impact on the homeowners property;that parks commissioners and staff be invited
to attend that meeting and that youth sports representatives be questioned as to
how late the fields are needed during their expanded preseason meetings. Motion
passed 6 - 0.
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B. RRauests from Hockey Association and Girls Athletic Association BE: Charitable
Gambling. Ordinance and Other Forms of Fund Raising Options - Lambert
indicated the Hockey Association issue was addressed by the City Council as they
couldn't wait. The Girls Athletic Association (GAA) is looking for direction as
to acceptable advertising they can commit to a corporation when they go out to
corporations asking for donation to help pay for equipment or facilities. Lambert
recommends that we don't put advertising signs on the fields. They've asked if a
dedication plaque on a building would be acceptable and what our thoughts are
receiving the profits from pulltabs in some of the bars.
Hilgeman opposes gambling to support youth athletics in Eden Prairie. It's a poor
example and sends a bad message to our youth. They can earn money through
other means or wait for the City for the dollar support. They will get their
equipment or facility eventually. It just might not be as soon as they want it.
Koenig and Brown oppose the use of advertising in the parks.
Lambert indicated that the Hockey Association is the only association approved
to use gambling. Only 4 permits are allowed in the City. Lambert also explained
the guidelines at the Community Center for advertising and producing revenue are
different than the parks,
MOTION: Moved by Popovich Lynch,seconded by Hilgeman to recommend the
City Council deny extension of the use of gambling proceeds to fund recreation
in the Eden Prairie Parks and that the Park Commission not support commercial
sponsors for signage. Motion passed 5 - 1.
C. Review Petitions for Bike Trails and Recommendation for 1995 Budeet
1. County Road 4 Trail
2, Bryant Lake Drive Trail
3. Scenic Heights Trail
4, Golf View Drive Sidewalk
Cross stated that the City received four petitions for trails in 1994 and provided
information outlined in her memo of July 14, 1994 on the subject of Trail Priority
Rankings for 1995 budget. She also added that Bryant Lake Drive serves about
8,000 car daily at the 45mph speed.
Wendy Meyers, 14327 Golf View Drive, represented the petitioners from the Golf j
Vicw/Kingston area who are concerned about safety. She addressed the issues of
excessive speed,blind spots on a relatively narrow,hilly road and the residents of
the Kingston area not wanting sidewalks in their area. j
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Cross addressed the Kingston area sidewalk issue. She indicated that once an area
is developed without sidewalks it's hard to get them in since people tend to
landscape all the way to the street. The solution would be to get more people to
use the sidewalk and that could be done by connecting them to the school their
children go to. This would certainly have a higher value over the landscaping
needs and would put the trail higher on thy; priority list. They want the priority
list to reflect those areas where people want trails Lambert thinks that if the City
puts in the trail just where the Golf View residents want it, that they will receive
a request later from the Kingston area requesting it be extended to their area; and
this is really the best way to get sidewalks into an existing area--wait until they
ask for them.
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MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to follow staff i
recommendation for County Road 4 trail from Mere Drive to the Minnetonka
border a first priority for 1995 and that included in the 1995 trail budget would
be the Scenic Heights road 300 foot segment; Bryant Lake Drive trail be budgeted
for 1996 and Golf View Drive for 1997. Motion passed 6 - 0.
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Brentwood- Cross introduced Dick Putnam from Tandem Properties to make the
presentation. He indicated they planned larger lots for the wooded area. These
would be custom homes with a variety of styles and prices. What will help them
monitor the development in the woods is tying the development into the building
permits. No permits will be granted without approval and a site plan that ,
everyone will sign off on. In this way any violation of the building permit could
result in construction being tagged or stopped. Scenic easements would be looked
at on a site by site basis as the woods may be up by the house on one lot and 100
feet back on another lot.
Commission Members main concern related to the easement and how it would be
defined and monitored not only through development stages but for the following
years as well and with subsequent owners.
Putnam indicated they don't want to put in a restriction that neighbors think isn't
in their best interest and they unite against the purpose of the easement. On a site
by site basis, posts could be put in the ground to identify the line. Putnam also
indicated that the easement is part of the title. Fox indicated that there needs to
be continuity in the easement; something that people can understand and honor.
Steel pins could be put in the ground to identify the line in the event the post is
removed. Fox also expressed concern that we're dealing with a dynamic organism
here and what may be a scenic view today may not be a scenic view in 10 years
if natural regeneration is allowed to take place. Fox also thinks it make sense to
vary the easement with each lot.
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MOTION: Moved by Kube-Harderwijk, seconded by Brown to approve the
Brentwood proposal as per staff recommendations, page 2, June 24,1994 report
with the removal of the of the 25 foot easement plan and the addition of a lot by
lot easement that is clearly marked on each lot. Motion passed 5 - 1.
B. Bearpath Maintenance Building - Cross introduced John Vogelbacher from
Sienna who presented the request for the Bearpath maintenance
building. It will be a single story building on 1 1/2 acres of land. The 2000
finished square feet will house the shop, storage, offices and restrooms.
Vogelbacher addressed the issues of screening, berming and landscaping as
outlined in the Cross staff report of July 14, 1994.
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Brown to approve the Bearpath
Maintenance Building per staff report of July 14, 1994. Motion passed 6 - 0.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. Community Center Entry Control and Locker Room Expansion Plan - Lambert
presented the request for entry control and locker room expansion at the
Community Center. Lambert elaborated on the studies done, revenue generation,
background and plans for Scheme E as outlined in the agenda attachments.
Lambert recommends 250 locks on all the plastic lockers, more showers and ;
�. drains for every two shower stalls, Scheme E will eliminate the existing pool
storage area; a small addition to the north side of the pool area could be built to
accommodate pool storage. Adding a gym to the proposal would require a
referendum as it would add 1 1/2 - 3 million to the cost.
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to approve the
recommendation of the proposed improvement of the Community Center as per
staff memo of July 12, 1994. Motion passed 6 - 0.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. Review 1995 Capital Improvement Budget for park MaintenW=
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Koenig to continue the Capital
Improvement Budget for Park Maintenance to the next meeting. Motion passed
6 - 0.
VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
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A. Renorts_of Director of Parks. Recreation & Natural Resources
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1. Update on Par.% A,Gquisition - Lambert updated the Commission on the
natural resources site acquisition as stated in his July 11, 1994 memo.
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2. Memo from Roger Pauly,City Attomgp.RE U.S.Supreme Court Decision
in Dolan vs Tigard - "FYI" from Lambert.
3. Security at Beamath -Memo from_ Jim Clark.Chief of Police- "FYI" from
Lambert.
4. Condemnation Award of Commissioners for Philip R.Hill 12ro2e y-Riley
Lake Park - "FYI" from Lambert.
5. Open Meeting Law - "FYI" from Lambert.
B. Reports of Community Center Manager
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1. Request Authorizatign to Install Public Courtesy Phone at Community
Center- Lambert stated it would cost about $600 annually; that the users
will monitor themselves by reporting problems with other users to staff.
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to
approve the courtesy telephone for the Community Center. Motion passed
6 - 0.
IC IX. ADJOURNMENT
Meeting adjourned 10:25 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Bev Draves
Recording Secretary
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