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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
�. MONDAY, May 2, 1994 7:00 P.M. CITY CENTER
COUNCIL CHAMBERS ,.
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Diane Popovich Lynch, Chair; David Kracum,
Richard Brown, Claire Hilgeman, Vicki Koenig,
Joanne Kube-Harderwijk
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Bruce Bowman
STUDENT MEMBER: Mark Bremer
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation
and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of
Recreation Services, Bob Lanzi, Athletic
Coordinator
I. ROLL CALL
Meeting called to order at 7:00 p.m, by Chair, Diane Popovich Lynch
IL APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Hilgeman added "Presentation of the Problem called Review of Policies Concerning Use
of Park Facilities for Nonprofit Organizations". Brown requested discussion to find out
what ordinances are concerning boats, sizes, etc.
111. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - April 18. 1994
Moved by Brown, seconded by Kracum to amend page 2, C. to read Retractable.
Moved by Koenig, seconded by Kracum to approve with these amendments:
pg 3 - 6th paragraph, delete "5 - 6 a.m. depending on time of year".
pg 6 - Greg Sumner, second paragraph to read " fishing" instead of"vegetation".
pg 8 - Sue Mock, add " She recommends use of a citizens committee to help
regulate sharp shooting."
pg 9 C and D - add "Motion passed 6 - 0".
Motion passed as amended 6 - 0.
IV. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Letter from Paul Becker RE: Elite Team use of City Facilities - Lambert referred
to the letter he received from a concerned citizen about the trend for elite teams.
In response, Lambert prepared the memo of 5/3/94 giving some background and
reasons why some teams have nonresidents and made recommendations of priority
usage. He reviewed his memo. There's also the issue of association control of
{ reservations of facilities. The City should be maintaining control of public
facilities with some sort of master schedule. Control has been given to the
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representatives from the City, School and each athletic association to talk about
issues. We need to have good/fair answers to all who come to the City with
requests for facility usage. Everyone needs to be treated equally and consistently.
We need to have standards. We could have a computerized program and input the
facility needs and use any open times for neighborhood games. This is a big
issue; he thinks the only way to resolve this is to appoint a committee that
addresses all needs,not just athletic associations and adult athletic program needs.
Brown asked how many Eden Prairie children we are trying to accommodate in
summer programs. Lambert indicated about 5,000. Lynch invited persons
from the audience to speak.
Paul Bcckcr - He wrote the letter to Mr. Lambert. Iie got concerned when he
heard about the Soccer situation. Kids are disappointed when they don't make a
team. As a taxpayer he's concerned that we have a situation starting to develop
to exclude kids in the community. We can't short change kids in this community
for kids in some other community.
Steve Michener - President of the Eden Prairie Soccer Club, which is a
competitive soccer club. He gave registration figures for the past several years,
information on how the Club was formed, the various division levels, and the
number of Eden Prairie students v,s non-residents students that are involved in
some of the various soccer teams/divisions.
He indicated that under MYSA there is no such thing as a star team. The Soccer
Club allows for membership to any person regardless of, among other things,
residency. There are a number of Eden Prairie students that go outside the
community each year. Under no circumstances have they cut an Eden Prairie kid
who met Division 1, 2 or 3 standards. They have never cut an Eden Prairie kid
because of outside players. He's not in favor of running all scheduling through
the City.
Brown asked out of the 394 students signed up to play competitive soccer, how
many actually get to play on the Division 1, 2 and 3 levels. Michener indicated
there are 26 teams with 16 players on a team. The Soccer Club has one Division
1 team with 9 Eden Prairie residents and 7 nonresidents. Six Eden Prairie boys
did not make that team in a try out. Those boys chose not to play in Division 2
or 3.
Becker asked Michener if the boy from England would be considered a resident
player. On the Division I team only 9 boys out of 16 are resident. Michener
indicated there is no boy from England (registered for Soccer). Michener
explained the situation involving boys that didn't make Division 1, and were
originally put in Division 3 because they didn't have a Division 2 coach to take
F on another team.
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Don Jacobsen- President of the Soccer Association. He's in favor of a committee
to determine priority field scheduling. His biggest problem is with the city in
providing the service they think they will provide for the associations.
Mike Jenson -Commissioner of Girl's Softball. They have 700 girls on 52 teams.
They've addressed the issue of outside players. They voted this year, that
beginning next year, no outside players will be allowed except when additional
players arc needed to avoid cutting Eden Prairie players. He said they play two
games on any field they have responsibility for. They have four Class A teams
and 8 class B teams. The remainder are recreational, in house type teams (non-
classified).
Jim Hi - Represents Eden Prairie boy's basketball, baseball and football. He
stated that all players must live in Eden Prairie or attend Eden Prairie High School
and that there isn't anybody on the teams who doesn't. They have 150 - 170 boys
who play baseball in Bloomington for lack of facilities in Eden Prairie.
Marty Kissel - He's in charge of a private soccer club which has 3 Eden Prairie
residents on it. He has tried to rent Eden Prairie fields. He looks for fields within
the community and pays for them.
Hilgeman stated we need a committee to determine who can use facilities, what
priorities should be and how we can reduce use and still fairly portion out
facilities. Brown indicated that 5000 kids deserve consideration. Lambert
indicated that the scheduling for this year has been worked out and that any
planning would be for next year.
Lanzi indicated the need for both outdoor and indoor facility scheduling. He gets
at least 50 requests per season from companies to use a facility (just once a year)
for company picnics and also from neighborhood residents who want to play a
game. He'll get about 150 requests during the April through August season to use
outside facilities. Lynch asked Lanzi when the committee should be put together.
Lanzi replied that anytime will be an on/off season for some. He doesn't know
how long it will take.
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Koenig that the Parks, Recreation
and Natural Resources Commission form a committee with representatives from
the Athletic Associations to develop a policy or standards for the amount of times
various age groups would be allowed to schedule facilities per team. There would
be two representatives each from the PRNR Commission, Recreation staff, school
and one representative from each of the Athletic Associations. Motion passed 6-0.
Further discussion ruled out having someone from the Community at large be on
the Committee as Lambert stated the Commission members were appointed to
represent the people and they must take that responsibility. Lambert did not
support the suggestion to have two committee's--one each for indoor and outdoor
facilities. Zetah, Director of Community Education, supported one committee
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V. OLD BUSINESS
A. None
VI. NEW BUSINESS
A. Recommend Awarding Bid for Miller Park Landscape Plan - Lambert indicated
that two bids were received: Arteka for $92,450 and Minnesota Valley for
$137,010. Lambert recommends the bid be awarded to Arteka.
MOTION: Moved by Kracum, seconded by Hilgeman to approve the
recommendation to award the contract for landscape improvements at Miller Park
to Arteka per staff memo of 5-3-94. Motion passed 6 - 0.
B. Use of Park Facilities by Non-12rofit Groups - Hilgeman indicated she'd like this
issue put on the next Commission agenda. She cited several calls she received
from Scout representatives indicting they couldn't get park reservations and got a
"royal runaround" The fees in Eden Prairie are too high for these small groups.
Representatives from these groups would like to come and speak at a meeting.
Lambert indicated they should submit a letter requesting to get on the agenda and
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reviewed fees and set the fees last year.
C. Motor Policies on Eden Prairie Lakes- Brown asked what the policy is for boats,
size and power on different lakes. Lambert indicated Staring Lake is open with
no restrictions, Mitchell and Red Rock Lake have a limit of 10 h.p. or less. '
Round lake is electric motors and Bryant Lake has a 20 m.p.h. speed limit on j
Sundays and holidays from Memorial Day through Labor Day.
Brown asked if other restrictions would be needed based on what happened at the
last meeting. Lambert indicated that residents must petition for changes. Lambert
further stated that he doesn't think Staring Lake is an problem. It is a shallow lake
with weeds near the surface around the edge. It's not a recreational lake. Wave
action is not an issue, because the waves can't get through the weeds. At the
beginning of the season there are a few jet skiers if it's warm but by the end of
May it's no longer an issue.
VII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural Resources
1. Arbor Day Resolution - Lambert indicated this item was on the City
Council agenda.
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B. Reports of Manger of Recreation Services
1. Resolution for Senior Awareness Week- Lambert indicated this item was
on the City Council agenda.
C. Reports of Community Center Manager
1. Request to Transfer Funds Within the 1994 Budeet - Lambert indicated
this item is also on the agenda for the City Council meeting tomorrow.
Helling outlined her request per memo of 5-3-94. She also indicated the
Recreation Department has put together a gift book of items for the
Recreation Department. Helling indicated to Brown that currently there
aren't any ADA signs at the Community Center now. Helling stated that
anything over$400 had to be put out forbids. Theses are just quotes now.
She stated that the amount listed on the chart for Aquatics cabinets was
correct and that the narrative on page three of her memo had not been
changed.
Koenig asked if other area's that needed funding had been looked at when
the fund transfer was requested--like the. Deer Management Committee.
Lambert said this is a typical thing for staff to do when something that was
budgeted for won't be needed. We reask for all the things we'd budgeted ,
for before and didn't get. It's the choice of the Commission to wait to
allocate these dollars if they want to.
Brown said these four items should be approved: ADA signs, Swim
Lesson Certificates, life jackets and the typesetting for the brochure.
Lambert indicated that he thinks signage is needed and all signage should
be done at one time to be consistent, we received a bid for the entire
signage package
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Koenig to recommend
approval of spending $7600 for Community Center signs, Swim
Certificates, marina life jackets and brochure typesetting services and the
$12,000 balance be held and used for implementing the deer management
program. Motion passed 6 - 0.
Vlll. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Brown to adjourn meeting at 9:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Bev Draves
Recording Secretary
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It AGENDA `
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, MAY 16, 1994 7:00 P. M. CITY CENTER
8080 MITCHELL ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Diane Popovich Lynch, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Richard
Brown, Claire Hilgeman, Vicki Koenig, David Kracum,
Joanne Kube-Harderwijk
STUDENT MEMBER: Mark Bremer
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape
Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural
Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation
Services
I. ROLL CALL
t II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MIN TES OF MAY 2, I994
IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Creekview Acres 1st Addition
B. Calarneau/Shady Oak Busines, Center
V. OLD BUSINESS
A. None
VI. NEW BUSINESS
A. Discussion of Measure& to Enhance-Minnesota 1?iyer Valley
VII. REPORTS OF AND D STAFF
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I. Summer Youth C'am�0 tions
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION I '
MONDAY, May 16, 1994 7:00 P.M. CITY CENTER
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Diane Popovich Lynch, Chair; David Kracum,
Richard Brown, Claire Hilgeman, Vicki Koenig,
Joanne Kube-Harderwijk
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Bruce Bowman
STUDENT MEMBER: Mark Bremer
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation
and Natural Resources; Barb Penning Cross,
Landscape Architect; Lyndell Frey, Recreation
Supervisor
I. ROLL CALL
Meeting called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chair„ Diane Popovich Lynch
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Agenda approved as submitted. Brown asked for guidelines on tree variances and Cross
said she'd get this set up on a future agenda.
III. APPROVAL OF MIN ITES OF MAY 2 1994
MOTION: Moved by Koenig, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to approve the Minutes of
May 2, 1994 as submitted. Motion passed 5 - 0 (Kracum out of Chamber at time of
vote.)
1V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL
A. Creekview Acres 1st Addition - Cross introduced Rob Bouta from Westwood
Professional Services who gave the presentation on Creckview Acres,as outlined
in the Staff Report of May 6, 1994. This project would divide the 3 1/2 acre plat
into 7 single family lots and 1 outlot of.39 acres which will be dedicated to the
City. The one existing house would be replaced. Bouta indicated that the Flood
Plain of Purgatory Creek is at an elevation of about 815.0 feet and no fill is
proposed for the wetland. There's a 100 foot setback from Purgatory Creek.There
will be 64 calipers inches of tree removal out of 165 existing caliper inches with
I 1 trees replaced on lots 5 and 7.
Hilgeman asked for clarification on tree replacement. Cross indicated percentage
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is based on caliper inches of all trees removed and not number of trees removed.
Brown said he viewed the site today. He understands that the existing house to
be removed is 2.8 ft. above the flood plain and the house that will replace it will
be 4 ft above the flood plain. How much ground from the existing hill will be
brought down to the proposed level and how will it be done so that it won't go
into Purgatory Creek? Bouta said the hill will come down at a 3 to 1 slope.There
won't be any fill below the wetland limit.
Brown, on several occasions, indicated his concern regarding moving this much
dirt and not having it enter Purgatory Creek. He wants staff to consider some sort
of recommendation of retention before this project starts.
Bouta stated that the Creek will be protected from dirt entering it by installing silt
fences before grading begins and installing a wood fiber blanket to prevent erosion
once the grading is done. Cross emphasized that erosion control is in place before
development begins.
Lynch asked what the outcome of the meeting with the residents was. Cross
indicated that most of the citizens were concerned how their driveways would "tie
in" to the cul-de-sac.
Koenig asked if the property 4 feet above the floodplain is adequate for major
storm events and voiced concern about erosion and effectiveness of silt fences.
Bouta recalls that the Watershed District for that area requires at least 2 feet for
the 100 year Floodplain. He said the type of erosion control can be recommended
in the specifications. Cross stated that erosion control fences, if properly installed
and maintained, do a good job. Cross stated a number of organizations will be
looking at this project. Before any grading is done, the City Engineering staff has
someone go out and look at the erosion control and make sure it's properly
installed. Bouta said the soil in the area is loamy sand. Sandy soils are
considered more highly erodible. The loam in the sand will help minimize the
extent to which it will slide down the slope.
Hilgeman asked how much of the house on lot 1 will be in the conservancy area
Cross indicated the back 1/3 of house. The conservancy line is based on a study
done in the early 1980's. Where a line was drawn on a map, the proposed house
will be further away from the crock than the existing house. She said the
developer has met all the requirements of the 13.5 Zoning District.
Kracum asked Barb, who on the site from the developers team, is responsible for
adherence to the erosion control measures. Cross said a site inspector is present
to monitor the construction for the developer, and City and Watershed District
inspectors go out to insure compliance. Residents let us know right away if
( anything is wrong. Bouta stated they also have 3 inspectors on staff that monitor
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all phases bf the project, including erosion control.
MOTION: Moved by Brown, seconded by Hilgeman that we move this to the
next meeting and request more information pertaining to the grading impact on
Purgatory Creek. Motion passed 6 - 0.
B. GE11arneau/Shady Oak Business Center - Cross introduced Wally Case of
Dahlgren, Shardlow, Uban to make the presentation on this project. They are the
landscape architects and planners. He presented a brief overview of the project.
Cross indicated that residents, at a neighborhood meeting, indicated they are
pleased with this land use. Tree loss is higher than usual because some trees
planted by the owner are included in the total caliper inches. Bremer stated that
he lives 1/4 mile from the project and is pleased with the effort to minimize the
environment impact; they've done a nice job.
Hilgeman thinks this is a nice plan. Fits will with the surrounding area. Her only
concern is the trees they consider insignificant are the trees that are indigenous to
a wetland area and that is the reason they were there in the first place. Have they
considered putting back some trees that are indigenous to that area. Case
indicated they don't do that because the willow, elm and cottonwood will
naturalize; they are leaving some of these trees on the property. In response to
Hilgemans's question,Case said the easement between the wetland and the parking
area is about 50 feet.
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to approve the
Galameau/Shady Oak Business Center development proposal as per May 12, 1994
memorandum. Motion passed 4 - 1, 1 abstention.
V. OLD BUSINESS
A. None
VI. NEW BUSINESS
A. Discussion of Measures to Bnhanec Minnesota River Valley - Lambert gave the
presentation stating information and recommendations as outlined in his May 11,
1994 memo to the Commission. Lambert recommends that the state DNR
consider having a double trail system in this area. He thinks they should consider
having a trail on both sides of the river between the Bloomington Ferry Bridge
and the Shakopee Bridge, allowing people to make a loop. If the State DNR
doesn't want to do this, then he suggests that the US Fish & Wildlife Service
develop a trail within their plan to make that same connection. Lambert supports
limited picnicking. Other things to consider are a possible primitive canoe launch
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i at Purgatory Creek in the Riverview Road area. Commission must keep in mind
that this is a Wildlife Refuge not a recreational park.
Hilgeman suggested self guided historical tour markers. Koenig asked if
horseback riding was feasible in that area. Lambert stated it's still a possibility,
but sees problems; this won't be acquired and developed for those kinds of trails
for another 6 - 10 years. Right now there isn't a good opportunity to have a trail
for pedestrian and bicyclists and a separate trail for equestrians.
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to recommend
to US Fish and Wildlife Service the following recreational opportunities to
enhance the Minnesota River Valley as per recommendation for trail location in
May 11, 1994 Park and Recreation memorandum: 1) Self guided tours with
markers 2) primitive canoe launch 3) environmental education 4) possible
equestrian trails 5) limited impact picnicking. Motion passed 6 - 0.
VII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Manager'of Recreation Service
1. Summer Youth Camp Options - Lyndell Frey, Recreation Supervisor,
presented an overview on his Summer Camp Programs. This was the first
year a camp brochure was sent home through the school. In the past "in
house" flyers were sent home.
Preregistration was allowed for the first time. We guaranteed them a spot
if they preregistered by the deadline date of April 19. During that time
we had about 340 preregistration representating about$13,000 in revenue.
They try to provide the camps at a break even cost. Arts and Drama
Camps are not revenue producers, but the surplus from other camps help
subsidize these two camps. There are 10 camps plus Preschool and
Afternoon Playground programs. There are a lot of opportunities for kids
in the summer with these programs plus Swimming, Senior programs,
Adaptive programs and all other youth programs, including an In-line
skating program. Frey indicated that his lessons programs serve about
10,00 children during the year.
Brown stated he wished we could let the public know how many people
we serve through our programs and the ratio of population to facilities
such as the swimming pool. He thinks we do a great job.
2. Rc2ort on State 1-ceisladyg issue on the Park Referendum Bond- Lambert
stated that there was a 2 million dollar rider on the state bonding bill
which was pulled off when they voted on the bonding bill. They said
they'd increase the Metropolitan Parks Open Space Commission bonding
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bill by 1.3 million dollars and put some language in the bill that would
make this project eligible for that. Sidney asked for language that
specifically stated that the 1.3 million dollars had to be spent in Eden
Prairie and that was voted down. She was told this was an eligible project
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and we could make a presentation to the Metropolitan Parks Open Space
Commission.
Lambert called the Superintendent of Parks for Hennepin County and was
basically told that the 10 implemented agencies in the metro area are all
now wanting part of the 10 million dollars and the Eden Prairie site was
not included. We aren't getting any piece of this 10 million as the other
have had projects on hold for years.
Lambert will be going to the Metropolitan Park s Open Space Commission
on May 24th to make a presentation. Lambert thinks Eden Prairie has a
good chance to getting a LCMR grant which is all subject to passing the
referendum.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Lynch to adjourn the meeting. Motion
passed 6 - 0.
Respectfully submitted,
Bev Draves
Recording Secretary
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