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Parks and Recreation - 12/20/1993 1993 1 �^ DECEMBER 69 20 IN T E�_V1JL.� `� V CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION i MONDAY, DECEMBER 6, 1993 7:00 P. M. CITY CENTER 8080 MITCHELL ROAD COUNCIL CHAMBERS COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Richard Brown, Claire Hilgeman, Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracum, Diane Popovich Lynch STUDENT MEMBER: Mark Bremer COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services I. ROLL CALL k II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - NOVEMBER 1, 1993 IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS None VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Cash Park Fees for 1994 C B. Recommend Revisions to City Code Regulating Use of Public Parks C. Recommendation to Increase Fees for Garden Plots to Cover Costs Agenda - PRNR Commission December 6, 1993 Page 2 VIII. REPORTS OF—COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural Resources 1. URdatg on Rustic Hills Park Trek: Removal 2. Recommendation to Adopt Guidelines for Scheduling Use of Round Lake Park B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services 1. Recommendation to Close Center Care at Community Center C. Reports of Community Center Manager 1. Recommendation to Change Open Skating Hours at Community Center 2. Recommendation to Provide Position at Community Center to Su wise Open Skating ADJOURNMENT parkag/bob60 M APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, DECEMBER 6, 1993 7:00 P.M. , CITY CENTER 8080 MITCHELL ROAD COUNCIL CHAMBERS COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Richard, Chair; Richard Brown, Claire Hilgemar►, David Kracum, Joanne Kube- Harderwijk, Diane Popovich Lynch COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Bruce Bowman STUDENT MEMBER: Mark* Bremer COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:04 p.m. by Chair, Pat Richard. II. APPROVAL- OF AGENDA A. Bremer: add under V. Development Proposals, A. Proposed 5- story office building in Bryant Lake Park area. B. Popovich Lynch: add under VI. Old Business, A. Establishment of Tree Preservation, and B. Alternative Financing for Natural Resource Sites - report from Staff. C. Brown: add under VI. Old Business, C. Senior Center Financing. D. Richard had two issues: 1. Some people may need to leave early tonight (or on other occasions) , does not see this as a problem as long as there is a quorum present. 2. Remember to raise hands for recognition before speaking, it allows for more order in the meetings. MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Popovich Lynch to approve the agenda as amended. Motion passed 6-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - NOVEMBER 15, 1993_ A. Hilgeman: requested to strike statement in second paragraph, page 5, third sentence ("She says she feels. . . ) . B. Brown: his statement was taken out of context, first C statement under The Following Discussion. . , page 5, change to: Is this the best plan the school can come up with to serve the City's needs and Foxjet's needs for an aquatic system? ' 1 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 6, 1993 MOTION: Popovich Lynch moved, seconded by Brown to approve the Minutes for the November 15, 1993 meeting as amended above. Motion passed 6-0. IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND__COMMUNICATIONs None. V. DEVEL•OPMENT PROPOSALS A. Pronosed 5-Story Office_Build 4 ig in Bryan Lake Park area. Student Representative Bremer referred to a meeting being held at Woodale Church for review of a development near Bryan Lake Park to City Council. Goes before the City Planning first, then to PRNR and then to City Council. Lambert indicated that he is aware that there is a grading request by Interstate Companies for property at Rowland Road and Shady Oak Road, but . he is unaware of a 5-story office building proposed. He will look into it for details. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Establishment of Tree Preservation. Popovich Lynch requested a staff report on Mitchell Lake Update: What is the status of developing a policy of monitoring trees? Lambert will research this and report at the next meeting. B. Alternative Financing for Acauisition of Natural Resource Sites - report from Staff- C. LctrtR Grants Natural Resource Topics. The priority is to develop a strategy to acquire and protect wooded areas and scenic bluffs. The Grant Program has been transferred to the DNR. Budgets for a 2 year period, last years proposal was for $220, 000, there is a limit to each grant of $50,000. They are now asking for $3 ,000,000 for the next bi-annum. There are generally 10 applications made for each available grant. The process starts in January, requests must be in by March, decisions are made in August and recipients are notified in December for 1995 grants. Preservation of natural resources grant. This is a trust fund from the lottery for Preservation of natural areas - $28, 000,000 is available for the state. D. Request staff to Report on Park_R2ferendum Planning. Lambert will update what the Council has in mind and will report on the time frame for when the education process should begin. 2 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December G, 1993 E. Senior Center Financing. Brown wanted to know who set the $10 limit on petty cash, could it be raised to $25? The decision for a $10 limit is the recommendation of the auditor to City Council. Use of petty cash is being discouraged, prefer that requisition system be used for better tracking. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Cash Park Fees for 1994.. Lambert: EP did not re-evaluate these fees last year, recommend that it be done this year. Have been fairly conservative with their estimates, the Cash Park Fee does not keep up with the value. EP is trying to stay in line with what other communities are charging. Richard: this looks good, with the land values that we have we should be at the top or near the top of the scale. The law is universal across the state, a reasonable percentage (fee) of the land is to be available to justify the cost of new/replacement parks. EP's land is also more valuable than many of the other suburbs. Brown: What do Edina and Minnetonka charge for their Cash Park Fees? Not the same comparison as neither Edina or Minnetonka have much of a park system. He recommends that if an increase is passed this year that it also be reviewed for increase every year. MOTION: Popovich Lynch moved to increase the Cash Park Fees for 1994 for residential development to S900 ner unit and for Commercial, Office and Industrial Development to $3.250 Baer acre. Motion seconded by Kube-Harderwijk. Motion passed 6-0. B. Recommend Revisions to City Code Regulating Use of Public Parks, Lambert: his wife watched a group of adults skating and playing hockey on a basketball court and shooting pucks into the backboard at Staring Lake Park. The police were called and there was nothing done, as there are no rules on the books to enforce. We need the attached revision to the City Code Regulating Use of Public Parks so there is something on the books. Popovich Lynch: wanted to clarify that a misdemeanor is punishable by $700 &/or 30 days. 3 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 6, 1993 Kracum: had difficulty grouping playing basketball for more than one hour with doing damage to a court - this is not the same level of infraction. Will the rangers and officers have discretion on how they enforce this law? Hilgeman: where do you draw the line? Are you going to give a two-year-old riding with training wheels a misdemeanor? How do you distinguish between tennis vs. basketball use? Does this include baseball? Brown: this means that we can post rules? Lambert: yes, this would allow us to enforce the rules that have been posted for many years. Rube-Harderwijk: who will monitor/determine what games are not intended? Bremer: how realistic is this? The police are busy, will they really come down to enforce this code? Kracum: has some concern over the language used, needs to be modified. MOTION: Kracum moved to approve the Recommended Revisions to the City Code Regulating Use of Public Parks. Motion seconded by Brown. Motion passed 6-0. Richard: the bottom line is that if kids want to play roller blade hockey bad enough, they will find a place to do it. Pat had spoken with a representative for a portable roller blade court. Cost is $4-5,000, and it would take 2-3 men 15-45 minutes to set up. This company is sending Pat a video which he will get to Lyndell Frey. Lambert: prefers to set-up a permanent rink and not commit man hours running around to set-up a portable rink on a regular basis. C. Recommendation to Increase Fees for Garden Plots to Cover Costs• Lambert: has received calls from gardeners that some plots are rented and never used, tall weeds run wild. If we were to increase the rental fees the plots would pay their own way. Hilgeman: she has always thought the charge was not enough. 4 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 6, 1993 Kube-Harderwij k: she paid $12 for a 15'x2 0' fifteen years ago in Roseville. These proposed prices are very fair. Have you asked gardeners their position regarding fertilizer? Some/many may not want a blanket fertilizer applied to their plot - you could save money by not fertilizing. MOTION: Popovich Lynch moved to approve the Recommended to Increase Fees for Garden Plots to cover costs. Seconded by Hilgeman. Motion passed 6-0. VIII.REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural Resources. i 1. Update on Rustic Hills Park Tree Removal. Stuart Fox: this situation has become almost ridiculous, every time you think it has been taken care of something else seems to happen. The resident of this property has twice removed trees and bushes that are actually on park property during the construction/landscaping of a new home. We have gone above and beyond in this case by putting up a snow fence. This is to show there is follow-up after plotting; where the Park boundary stakes are; and act as a double check for an erosion control line. Richard: there are rusted cars and old appliances inside the park, eventually they will need to be removed. Kube-Harderwijk: isn't it a requirement of the developer to mark and notify owners of the property line? Fox: yes, the developers do mark the property line, it's the landscapers who rip up the stakes. Brown: couldn't we have yellow tape put up? Lambert: doesn't care for this approach. It is up to the property owner to check out and establish the corner posts of his/her property. Hilgeman: wants to go on record that Fox was very quick to respond when he was called on this matter. It is highly unusual that this should happen twice on the same piece of property. She is pleased to see markers installed. Could this be done before a developer comes in, especially when land butts up against park land? 5 V. Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 6, 1993 Kracum: the statute that applies to this situation actually requires treble payment, the City has been very reasonable. 2. Recommendation to Adopt Guidelines for Scheduling Use of Round Lake Park. Fox and Lambert: The staff would solicit input from the PRNR to formulate a recommendation that would increase the current fees charged for maintenance associated with softball tournaments at Round Lake Park. The fees would be on a scale determined by the mode of maintenance required for that particular tournament. Corrections to memo: page 3, Mode III skipped: Adult State Tournament = $800; Mode II: Youth State Tournament $1200 Three times during the summer there were multiple events going on - straining maintenance and staff. Hilgeman: wanted to clarify that the increased usage of the EP park system is creating an increased demand for maintenance, and that financial constraints make it difficult to meet these increased demands. We are not prepared to increase the budget at this time; we want to get by with increased seasonal staff at $5.50 per hour to start June loth or later. Should we raise the salary/pay scale in 1994 for the seasonal staff? Is the concern here for just Round Lake, or all of the parks? Richard: it is only fair to charge groups and associations for the use of these fields. Tournaments are big fund raisers for them, in a way we are subsidizing them. We don't need a motion on this until it comes back from the Association. We will wait until after the holidays. B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services, 1. Recommendation to Close Center Care at Community Center. Lyndell Frey: this program is not paying its'. own way. For the past two years creative approaches have been tried to continue this program, year-to-date there is a $630 loss and this program doesn't pay any rent. This space could be used to serve more/additional people and ' to generate greater rental fees. The current director, Pam Kloss, can earn $13-15.00 per hour for aerobics 6 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 6, 1993 instruction and she is earning $6.50 per hour at Center Care. The state requirement for a licensed day care calls for 2 staff members present. A commercial license means more paperwork, restrictions of the number of children. In 1991 the program was turned in twice by other licensed centers. Mary Campbell: used Center Care in Meeting Room C, one of the big problems is people signing up and then not showing up for the scheduled time. Hilgemen: she cannot support use of a room by small children that has no running water. Really feels that this is an excellent program/service and would be disappointed for the community to lose it. - Renee Stewart: patron of Center Care, uses services three days per week. How many people will no longer participate in community programs because there is no Center Care? How does the Fitness and Aquatic Aerobics instructor feel, these are her classes that will be cut? �. The Center Care is only open 3-1/2 hours per day. Could other things be programmed to draw people to use this program? Richard: shares Claire's frustration that staff recommends closure. ' Sees two primary issues: 1) the program is not making money and 2) it is operating in a limited space facility, there is a better use for that facility. Brenda Orlow: as a patron she always felt at ease, the child care provider was consistent - knew her daughter's name. She has been turned down because the schedule was full and they could only take 6 children per hour. She does not like them using Meeting Room D as there is no observation window and no running water. This is a clean, well run facility which meets a need. Where will the kids go? Seem to be pushing us (Mothers with small children) out of community programs because there is no child care. She feels it should be subsidized by the community. Popovich Lynch: is there anyway to set-up an area and provide parent volunteer staff and make the focus of that room a co-operative effort? It needs to have the Cdirection come from the parents. 7 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 6, 1993 Hilgeman: didn't you have parents volunteering at one time? (Volunteers worked under a paid staff at one time. ) Kracum: will interject with his opinion now as he needs to leave at 8:45 p.m. This is a tough call, he will defer to the staff recommendation. He does feel there is a critical need for small children care. Lanzi: would a baby sitting co-op be a possibility? Kathy Bickerman: she is a newer resident to EP and has no children. Whose needs are you meeting, you seem to be prioritizing some people's needs over others. Your citizens are asking for a service - increase the fees and give it to them. (Fees were increase two years ago but this failed and fees were again lowered. ) Brown: it seems we have tried for five years to make this program work. We have to make decisions that reach out and touch more people. We can't penalize the community for the needs of a few. Co-op babysitting is not the answer for this situation. MOTION: Popovich Lynch moves for approval of the staff recommendation to close Center Care. However, if in the future there was a request by a sizeable (25-50) petition which would indicate a need &/or commitment the staff would reconsider opening the program. The program would need to be cost effective as well as meeting the needs of the community. Seconded by Kube-Harderwijk. Hilgeman: space must be broken down and toys dispersed. This isn't something that can easily be put on hold, space is specific to day care center use. Popovich Lynch: has it been looked at to contract with a surrounding professional day care to contract with the City? Frey: all water aquatic aerobics members are currently subsidizing the Center Care with $2.00 per class. Jody Ebert: presented a petition with 12 signatures. She is very disappointed that the dollars don't seem to jive to keep this program open. AMENDED MOTION: Popovich Lynch moves for approval of the staff recommendation to close Center Care. Seconded by Kube- Harderwijk. Motion passed 5-0. 8 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 6, 1993 C. Reports of Community Center Manager, 1. Recommendation to Change Open Skating Fours at Community- Center. 2 . Recommendation to Provide Position at Community Center to Supervise Open Skating, Dave Black: presented background information for staff making recommendation to change the public skating and public swimming format on Friday and Saturday nights. This change will coincide with the City ordinance regarding the 10:00 p.m. curfew for persons under age 15 and is designed to reduce the problems that have generally been occurring between 9: 30-11:00 p.m. ry Over the past few months a number of parents have indicated to staff that they have serious concerns about leaving their children at the Community Center when there is no. off ice supervision. The Operations Supervisor and the Chief of Police suggest limiting the last hour of open skating to individuals 18 years of age or older, or children accompanied by parents. This change along with the request for funding a building supervisor on Friday and Saturday nights should hopefully alleviate parent concerns and make an immediate impact on the increasing number of problems. Brown: as you know I love to skate, and I have quit going to open skating for these very reasons. Is it up to the PRNR to monitor this disorderly conduct law? Page 9-30 regarding "loitering", should we add some language to give teeth to this enforcement? What authority does this staff person (new building supervisor) have? Two issues: 1) Hours - majority of problems occur between 10:00-11:00 p.m. and 2) Staffing - difficult to monitor language and running around of kids. Very concerned that parents wont drop off kids because the Community Center is getting a reputation as a hang out for "tough kids". We need to nip this in the bud now. Lambert: the staff has been working with the police department on how to display the rules for the Community Center, who/how to call the police, and how to deal with the parents. They have hired an additional staff person to beef up the enforcement, and they are changing the hours. They might need 2-3 people skating on the ice for 9 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 6, 1993 open skating for a few nights to help initiate the new program. Hilgeman: changing the Center's hours is great. But to add staffing is a $4,000 charge, and we just approved to close the Center Care due to lack of finances. I know this isn't a perfect world, but can't we fine the offenders rather than increase the fees of open skating? MOTION: Brown moved to approve the change in hours for public skating and swimming on Friday and Saturday nights, and to for approval to hire a part-time staff person as building supervisor on Friday and Saturday nights. Motion seconded by Hilgeman. Motion passed 5-0. IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Richard moved to adjourn the meeting. Brown seconded the motion. Motion passed 6-0. The meeting was adjourned at 9:22 p.m. Respectfully submitted, j Kathy Hengel Recording Secretary 1206Park 10 AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, DECEMBER 20, 1993 7:00 P. M. CITY CENTER 8080 MITCHELL ROAD COUNCIL CHAMBERS COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Richard Brown, Claire Hilgeman, Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracum, Diane Popovich Lynch STUDENT MEMBER: Mark Bremer COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape ' Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation I. ROLL CALL Services II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF DECEMBER 6, 1993 , IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Hennepin Parks Request to Manage Deer in Anderson Lakes Regional Park V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Surnmerfield by Rottlund Company B. Oak Point Pool Addition by ISD 272 C. Cedar Ridge Elementary School Additional by ISD 272 D. Eden Lake Elementary School Additional 4 ISD 272 VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS I A. Aunrove Bids for 1 st Phase Develonmentof Playground at Miller park VIII. REPORTS OF COMMI FRS AND STAFF A. None B. Reports of Director of Parks. Recreation and Natural Resource 1. Status of Alternative Financing Study for Purchase of Natural Resource i 2. Outline of Preparation for 1994 Natural Resources Referendum C. Reports of Landscape Architect/Park Planner 1. Response to Com i i n R?4.uest for Report on Centex Development in Mitchell Woods D. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services 1. Outdoor Skating_Rink Schedule for 1993-94 Skating Season 2. Leadership Empowerment Group E. Reports of Community Center Manager 1. "Around the Center" Member Newsletter IX. ADJOURNMENT parkag/bob60 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION ` MONDAY, DECEMBER 20, 1993 7:00 P.M. , CITY CENTER8080 MITCHELL ROAD COUNCIL CHAMBERS COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Richard Brown, Claire Hilgeman, Joanne Kube- Harderwijk, David Kracum COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Diane Popovich Lynch STUDENT MEMBER: Mark Bremer COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:10 p.m. by Chair, Pat Richard. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Moved by Brown, seconded by Hilgeman to approve the agenda as submitted. Motion passed 7-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTE - DECEMBER 6. 1993 MOTION: Bown wijk to ve the Minutes forr the moved, seconded 6,d 993y meeting rasr s bmitted proMotion passed 7-0. IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Hennepin Parks Request to Manage Deer in Anderson Lakes Regional Park. Lambert: this is the third year in a row that Hennepin County has requested to shoot deer in Eden Prairie. They are to their third year of control in Bloomington and they now want to get into Anderson Park. The Staff believes that there is merit in allowing public agencies the ability to manage their properties according to their overall comprehensive plans and policies; however, the final report of the Deer Study Committee is not complete. The report is expected to be presented to the PRNR Commission and City Council in late January or early February. The staff believes that a decision on this petition should be deferred until that report is complete. 1 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 20, 1993 Brown: when would Hennepin County want to do this shoot? Now until mid-March would be the best time. Bremer: what happens to the deer after the shooting process? Most of it is given away to the VA, homes for the hungry and sporting clubs - it costs money to process the meat. Bowman: they need an aerial count, which requires a good snowfall, in order to complete the Deer Study. Brown: we do have too many deer, we need some kind of control. MOTION: Richard moved that the request by Hennepin County to Manage Deer in Anderson Lakes Regional Park be denied. This decision is recommended to be deferred until the completion of the Deer Study in January/February. Hilgeman seconded the motion. Motion passed 7-0. V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Summerfield by Rottlund Company. - the Planning Commission considered this item at the November 22, 1993 meeting. The Planning Commission gave conceptual support to the project but directed the Developer to continue working with the neighborhood and to modify the plan according to the following recommendations of the 11/22/93 Staff Report. 1. A buffer along the edge of the wetland area. 2. A landscape screening buffer along Highway 5. 3. A modified grading plan with 3 to 1 slopes. 4 . A modified trail plan with connections to the wetland trail. Don Jensen, representing Rottlund, made the presentation of the plan modification developed from recommendations/requests of the neighborhood group and Staff. 1. Provided aerial photos of existing neighborhood. 2. This is a 23 .5 acre parcel, the last parcel to be developed around this large wetland area. 3. Large grove on North provides a good buffer, this will not be disturbed, as well as two other natural pockets of trees. 4. The original farm site has household trash which must be removed. Heavy equipment is required and along with grading of this area, the heaviest tree loss is here at this site. There is a 40 foot grade change from Dell Road to the North. 2 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 20, 1993 Two things were specifically requested by the neighborhood group: 1. Move buildings further away from the wetlands. 2. Create more of a buffer - Rottlund will fill seasonal wetland areas, not where water ponds. Additional requests of the neighborhood group: 1. Buffer along North area - focus placed on water quality pond, all water runoff will be carried in piping back to North/Northeast pond. 2. Conservation area will be established as 25 feet back from the DNR line. 3 . Proposed pedestrian/bike trail on the East. 4 . Trail linkage from Southeast cul-du-sac Brown: asked for clarification of when construction starts. Jensen: Rottlund tried to concentrate density to the ridge. The grade steps down going South, the center units are two- unit dwellings. A brand new unit, the rambler town home was designed for the empty nester with primary living space on the main floor. Not having a neighborhood playground should not be an issue as a low child ratio is anticipated. Rottlund will put money into the trails - there are 180 dwelling units proposed which would contribute $140,000 to this fund. Construction would create about a two year disruption on the peninsula for the build up, and a one year disruption on the plateau. A conservation buffer will be placed over the easement. Randy Foote, 7603 Kimberly Lane: he is pleased with the way Jensen and Mike Franzen have worked with the neighborhood group. Their concerns are with the quad units, they would prefer that they be double units. Their second concern is that the trails on the Southeast will be connected. Brown: do you have a problem with the traffic generated by this plan. No, Foote believes that they will be leaving at different times and will not create a bottleneck - if there is a problem it would occur on Highway 5. Penning Cross: - Rottlund is proposing a tree loss of 28% and the guide lines are 30%. - Two NURP ponds will be provided to pretreat storm water i before discharge into the wetland area. Slopes will be restored to a maximum of 3:1 slope on maintained areas, and all slopes 3:1 or steeper be stabilized immediately . after seeding with an excelsior wood fiber blanket. 3 r ti Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 20, 1993 The current plan shows fill affecting 1/4 acre of the wetland, and the 1/2 acre of wetland mitigation - as have other projects previously approved. - An 8 foot bituminous trail is required along the edge of the wetland to be built and paid for by the Developer. The Developer is also required to install a 5 foot concrete sidewalk on public and private loop streets. Richard: because the trail behind the houses are the closest to the wetland he suggests upfront disclosure that this is a Public trail and not belonging to a private association. Also wanted to know if there would be a wide enough buffer to keep the geese out of the yards. Suggested adding into the homeowner's documents the City's wild life guidelines. � . Brown: - Does Staff see any problem with the drainage of water to the North? No, this is treated by the two NURP ponds and meets or exceeds requirements. - Is there a sound barrier between the development and Highway 5? 1. 10 foot berm to cover the windows and patio doors on the ground floor. Working with MN DOT. 2 . 6 foot planting of shrubs (limited in height by the power lines) , creates a visual and noise screening. 3 . Greatest challenge were housing on the end of cul-du-sac on Southeast end - this housing is in the $140,000 price range allowing for better insulation to create sound barrier. Lambert: asked who owns the trail? Rottlund suggested an easement to the City or to the Homeowners Association. Lambert stated that the City would like to own this property, the City would then maintain it (Eden Prairie looks at trails just like sidewalks. as part of the transportation system. He would like to see Rottlund consider expanding out lot boundaries to include trails in City ownership. MOTION: Brown moved to approve the Guide Plan Change, PUD Concept, Rezoning and Preliminary Plat based on plans dated November 15, 1993, subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated November 19, 1993, and subject to the following conditions: 1. Modify the landscape plan to provide additional plant materials as depicted on Attachment B. 2. Modify the site plan to depict a pedestrian sidewalk access to trail along the wetland area and to trail along Highway 5. 3. Modify site plan for less density along the edge of the wetland area to eliminate wetland fill. 4. Revise the landscape plan to provide a visual buffer to the residential areas to the North and to provide a buffer for the housing units along Highway 5. 4 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 20, 1993 5. Expand the out lot boundaries to include the trail in the dedication to the City. Motion seconded by Kube-Harderwijk. Motion passed 7-0. B. oak Point Pool Addition by ISD 272, Steve Thomas of Cunningham Architects represented both the City and the School District. Phase II of this project adds a cluster of classrooms; a lunch room; 165 staff parking stalls; parent drop-off loop separate from the bus loading and service drive. Total parking is 275 car stalls, this is equal to the Eden Prairie Community Center's current parking. The pool use would not compete with the school use, it is separate. Hilgeman: was your firm the original architecture firm on the project? No, but we have been working with the City for the past six years to develop further classrooms and a curriculum pool. Brown: will parking be. acceptable if the Fire Marshall doesn't go along with the 50 additional vertical stalls? Yes. Bowman: do you have a more detailed plan of the facility, particularly the locker rooms? Thomas: the girls and boys locker rooms are double what is now available at the EP Community Center. There is also a third locker room for family/handicapped facilities. Richard: commends this move. He does not want to see another pool build with inadequate facilities. There will be 90 full size lockers in both the boys and girls locker rooms and another 20-25 in the family/handicapped locker room. Kube-Harderwijk: she is pleased to hear of facilities for the handicapped - are there also plans for zero depth pool area? Thomas: there is also a ticketing/towel area and laundry room facilities. Plans are currently to shift the pool to the East to provide a wide deck on the West. They are unable to put in/provide an 8 lane pool. With this constraint the best flexibility is in a second pool - a teaching pool: has a higher water temperature, zero depth entry to 3 foot maximum, , a step platform is provided for wheelchair access. The teaching pool is aimed at seniors/infants/handicapped individuals. C Bowman: since the plan exhibits an inability to extend the width of the pool and deck, what is considered safe? What extra expense would be involved to move the loading dock? 5 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 20, 1993 Thomas: The deck on the East is 6 feet and on the West it is 12 feet. Code requires pool decks to be 5 feet, anything under the 5 foot width would be considered unsafe. Moving the loading dock is not a matter of money, but access - the loading dock has already been moved as far as possible. The priorities established in this project are the curriculum is number one and community use is number two. Lambert: clarified the depth of the pool. It is 11-10 feet on the South end and 4-4.5 feet on the North side at the shallow end, to the mid-point of the pool. Hilgeman: why is the deepest area closest to the teaching { pool? The teaching pool has minimal use, do we really need this second pool? Is it the best use of this space? Lambert: This second pool is more of a recreational pool, it would receive more use as an adaptive pool. Would like to close off the two areas with curtain doors. They are currently checking to see if this is feasible for the air flow, chlorine system, etc. There is more flexibility with two pools. Kracum: the number one problem/complaint at the Community Center is respiratory problems. Supply and return for adequate air flow is a primary environmental issue for the j architects. 1 Bremer: minimum depth of pool is 4.5 feet? There are some 4th and 5th graders who aren't that tall. Waterproof training will be done in the training pool. Kracum: do not allow young children on water slide with 1 seniors, these two groups would not mix well. Richard: why not square off end of this design? It would allow maintaining current service drive & reduce mass of the building. Brown: this will be a $3. 2MM bond. Would we better off adding a 30 foot width for 8 lanes, with no second pool and no service drive? Has anyone consulted the Foxjets? Thomas: there are 4 members of the Foxjets on the advisory committee. This pool is already 25% bigger than the Chaska pool. 1 Bowman: what entries are provided for seniors/handicapped? Entry points from lobby and the lower level, both have access to the elevator. 6 t Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 20, 1993 Brown: doesn't see seniors walking down to this second pool. He does recognize that several concerns are being looked at in regards to the potential use of this pool. Hilgeman: has trouble at this point. She doesn't think this proposal is the best pool for Eden Prairie, is she to vote for the best design or for what is being done on this site? MOTION: Moved by Richard to support approval of the zoning District Amendment and Site Plan Review for a 20, 000 square foot building swimming pool addition and loading dock relocation to the existing Oak Point Intermediate School based on plans dated December 7, 1993. The PRNR Commission supports the basic design, recognizing this is not the final design, and that ,they support Joint use of the pool facilities by the School District and the City. Motion seconded by Kube-Harderwijk. Motion passed 7-0. C. Cedar Ridge Elementary School Additional by ISD 272, Steve Thomas of Cunningham Architects also presented this plan. The proposal is for an expansion in three areas. 1. Construction of an additional entry lane north of the existing parking area will allow for a separate drop off for parents, and will add it overflow parking stalls using the boulevard. This will allow buses to exit without using the same lane. 2. Future hard surfaced overflow parking area for 101 vehicles is proposed just off the entry drive along Braxton Drive. 3. New lighting for the school sign. MOTION: Hilgeman moved to approve the Cedar Ridge Elementary School Addition as per the Staff Report of December 10, 1993. Seconded by Kube-Harderwijk. Motion passed 7-0. D. Eden Lake Elementary School Additional by ISD 272, Steve Thomas of Cunningham Architects again presented this school plan. The floor plans at the two schools (Cedar Ridge and Eden Lake) are almost identical. The goal of this proposal is to separate bus traffic from parent drop-off traffic. Presently there is single access for entry and exit - buses, parents and staff all loop around the island. Now proposing to utilize the lower ballfield entrance to parking area for a separate parent drop-off - there would also be a full time staff person at this point to emphasize the proper entrance. Brown: is there ample parking for parents to parallel park when picking-up their child? 7 14 Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 20, 1993 Bowman: will the extra addition impact on the park? Thomas: not really, there is a retaining wall to separate school area from park and there is no loss of major trees at any of the three areas. Penning Cross: Staff does have a concern that this plan may not solve the congestion problem unless bus and car traffic are separated and pedestrians are provided with a clearly defined route to the building. MOTION: Kracum moved for approval of the Eden Lake Elementary School Addition as per Staff Report of December 10, 1993. Seconded by Hilgeman. Motion passed 7-0. VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS A. ARnroye Bids for 1st Phase Development of Plavground at Miller . Park. { Penning Cross: three bids were taken for this playground equipment, and the contract was awarded to . St. Croix Recreation Company for $55,000. The theme is based on transportation (boat, train) and will be the first handicapped accessible playground in the city. Equipment is mostly wood and in bright, primary colors. Installation to be completed by June 1, 1994. + MOTION: Hilgeman moved to approve Phase I play equipment for 1 Miller Park as per Staff recommendation of December 15, 1993. Motion was seconded by Kube-Harderwijk. Motion passed 7-0. VIII.REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. None B. Reports of Director of Parks. Recreation and Natural Resources. J 1. Status of Alternative Financing Study for Purchase of Natural Resource Sites.: a P Lambert: the City Council has approved a tentative referendum for the summer of 1994 for acquiring the natural resources sites, two members of the City Council volunteered to study alternatives for financing the acquisition of those sites. No report has been developed 8 j Minutes. - PRNR Commission Monday, December 20, 1993 as of this time. It takes about eight (8) weeks to develop/prepare for a referendum; the PRNR Commission can supply facts but not influence vote - the referendum is citizen :led. Hilgeman: likes the way this was presented. She would like to see three areas preserved (not just two) : money for preservation of open areas, park land preservation and residential/commercial preservation. Does the average person know/understand the difference between park land and open spaces? Richard: has to disagree, the average person does know the difference. Lambert: he has a much broader idea of what a parks area is - two-thirds of Eden Prairie park areas will never be developed. Bremer: can't we just hyphenate the name Park- Conservation area? Lambert: right now we are at an information stage, we would like to complete this study by February 1st. Bowman: aren't we in a negative process? By the end of January Bob will know if we have options from the people. Yes, they are still interested in having the Staff's input in the process (five different property owners are involved) , this has been going on for 3-4 months. 2. Outline of Preparation for 1994 Natural Resource Referendum. See the attached memorandum of December 17, 1993 as reference and above discussion. C. Reports of Landscape Architect/Park Planner, 1. Response to Commission Request for Report on Centex Development in Mitchell Wood, D. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services, 1. Outdoor Skatina Rink Schedule for 1993-94 Skating Season For Your Information. 2. Leadership Empowerment Group. - For Your Information, posted at the rinks. E. Reports of Community Center Manager. 9 • Minutes - PRNR Commission Monday, December 20, 1993 1. "Around the Center" Member Newsletter. - For Your Information. IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Richard moved to adjourn the meeting. Brown seconded the motion. Motion passed 6-0. The meeting was adjourned at 9:50 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Kathy Hengel Recording Secretary 1220Park C 10