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Parks and Recreation - 10/06/1992 'At 1992 { y OCTOBER 5 6 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE I �� AGENDA EIDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMIVIISSION MONDAY, OCTOBER S, 1.992 7a30 P. M., CITY BALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Claire Hilgeman, Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracum, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services I. ROLL CALL H. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 21, 1992 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS (. A. Mrs. Fowler's Pro2asal B. Letter from Gary Roethle, President Eden Prairie Foxjets V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Fairfield South VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII, NEW BUSINESS A. Engineer's Report - Staring Lake Outlet/Purgatory Creek Recreation Area B. Notice of Neighborhood Meeting for Uggrading Anderson Lakes Parkway; C. Award Bid for Staring_Lake Park Amphitheatre Building VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONS AND STAFF A. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services 1. Proclamation of National Disability Awareness Month C � i B. Bens of Community Center QMmtions Manaowr 1. Prop2sed Ice Rink Schedule 2,. Request from Shako=_to Utilize Rink for High School "Home" Games IX. REPORTS OF CITY COI=IL X. ADJOURNMENT parkag/bob C .APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, October 5, 1992 7: 30 p.m. , City Hall COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Claire Hilgeman (late) , Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracum, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barb Cross, Landscape Architect I. ROLL CALL y ' The meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m. by Chair, Pat Richard. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Lambert added A. Reconsider Subdivision on Outlot A at Hidden Ponds 1st Addition under VI. Old Business. MOTION: Vanderploeg moved to approve the agenda as amended. Lynch seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 21, 1992 MOTION: Vanderploeg moved to approve the minutes as pritned. Kracum seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. Bowman abstained. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Mrs. Fowler' s Proposal Refer to memo dated September 21, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. Mrs. Fowler was present at the meeting. Lambert said that the proposal is to sell the City her property on Riverview Road for half of her appraised I , value of $800,000. The site is located on 20 acres with a northern boundary of Riverview Road and a southern boundary of the Minnesota River. C_ —`—•_•-.•... ... .._� .__�._�_r_..r.ru.+n.ne..+.'acu__..auv....wun..rr./Ns.a.r.u.vuwuxurna+ti..u..wu..rr.. ., .• tr{ (' APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 5, 1992 -2- The proposal was reviewed by the Historical and Cultural Commission who recommended that the Historic Preservation Commission review and consider it. A tour of the property can be arranged prior to the HPC meeting on October 19. Lambert said the property will be reviewed for historical significance, artifact assessment and environmental assessment including natural resources and cultural value. It must meet all these criteria before it will be considered as a historical site. The Historical and Cultural Commission discussed the proposal at length and will compile a list of all the sites in Eden Prairie with historical significance and prioritize them. This will be done in conjunction with the historical survey being done by the Tellus Corporation. One of staff ' s major concerns is that there are already three historical sites which have already been identified in Eden Prairie. Bowman feels this site may be unique compared to the other three sites. He asked for clarification about the Fowlers retaining life estate for the property. Lambert said although there are no legal documents, .Mrs. Fowler and her son have the right to remain in the home as long as they are able to do so. Lynch asked Mrs. Fowler to explain why the various points of the proposal are important to her. Mrs. Fowler said that she wishes for the property to be used as a museum because Charles R. Fowler was a well-known lawyer and state representative who was listed as one of the greatest men in the U.S. in the 1940 ' s. He also donated the log cabin in Jordan. The property is not to be subdivided or any portion sold and Mrs. Fowler added that she currently maintains 21 trees on the property. The main house or brown house on the property cannot be destroyed or replaced. Mrs. Fowler said there is C. also a third house on the property used by the caretaker, as well as a two car garage. _ r 1 'APPROVED MINUTES ( EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 5, 1992 -3- Mrs. Fowler and her son, Charles, would retain life estate for the property. However, if Charles should decide he does not wish to live there any longer, it would be acceptable to her. Charles does not currently live on the property. The City would absorb all taxes and insurance on the property. Mrs. Fowler and her son will be responsible for the upkeep of the property and pay all utilities and would be able to lease the two other homes on the property. A survey of the property was done about ten years ago. The cost of $400,000 was obtained by taking 30% of i that figure plus the cost of improvements. Mrs. Fowler added that a scrapbook compiled by Charles E. Fowler would be included with the sale of the property. CHilgeman asked if Mrs. Fowler would want other historical artifacts, other than the Fowler family ' s, to be displayed in the home. Mrs. Fowler said she would have no problem with this. Hilgeman said she wanted to be certain that the City of Eden Prairie could do justice to both museums. Richard feels that there are many details to be worked out, but the property certainly appears to be worth consideration by the City. Lynch asked when the conservancy study will be completed. Lambert said it is still uncertain whether it will be authorized. The study would cover both the Riley Creek valley and the Minnesota River bluffs. Lynch recommended that this proposal be considered as part of the bluffs study. Vanderploeg said that funding options also need to be discussed. I MOTION: Bowman moved to recommend that the City Council delay action on the Fowler proposal until the Commission is able to tour the property and discuss the various (, options. Vanderploeg seconded the motion. F4 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 5, 192 -4- After discussion, it was decided that the Commission would tour the Fowler property on Saturday, October 24 at 10:00 a.m. The motion passed 7•-0. B. Letter from Gary Roethe, President Eden Prairie Foxjets Refer to letter dated September 22, 1992. This is an information item only. V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Fairfield South Refer to staff report dated September 25, 1992. J Cross introduced Dan Blake from Centex Homes. The site is located north of County Road 1 and west of Braxton Drive. The proposal is for 65 R1-9. 5 lots and 29 R1-13. 5 lots. Wetland protection has been r included, as well as allowing 35 ' rear yard setbacks. Sidewalks will be included on all streets with the exception of the cul-de-sac with connections to a 5 ' concrete sidewalk and 8 ' bituminous trail along Braxton Drive. Cross said that there are no significant trees on the site. The trees located on the existing tree farm will be used for landscaping this area. The developer has agreed to continue the construction of the trail along County Road 1. Hilgeman asked about the price range of homes in this area. Blake said they range from about $115,000 to $190, 000. MOTION: Lynch moved to recommend approval of Fairfield South. Hilgeman seconded the motion and it passed 7-0. C r, ;� ...,::1 '. �,''_ �.. . ::'ti .S..J: � •.:7- ,...i: i �„ ,ti*.::. d 'v .. �... ,..°Y i.j.h�r,} .,+d�.t.,n+.n.��n �::.`u_ Mir r�.'„� :APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 5, 1992 -5- VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Reconsider Subdivision on Outlot A at Hidden Ponds 1st Addition Lambert reviewed the proposal to subdivide Outlot A into four sublots. The residents want the opportunity to keep the trail in this area. Staff would like to make the residents aware of what their options are. They will be invited to the November 16 Commission meeting where the issue will be discussed in detail. Staff would not recommend that trails be constructed any closer to the existing homes than they already are. MOTION: Hilgeman moved to invite the homeowners from Hidden Ponds ls: Addition to attend the November 16 Commission meeting to discuss the trails at Hidden Ponds and to reconsider the previous motion to subdivide Outlot A. Kube-Harderwijk seconded the motion and it passed 7-0. VII. NEW BUSINESSS A. Engineer's Report - Staring Lake Outlet/Purgatory Creek Recreation Area Refer to memo dated September 29, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. Lambert said that staff recommends Option 1 which is to provide an overflow pipe which would increase the speed at which water would leave the lake during high water periods. This option would have less impact on the creek valley. The Commission discussed the project at length and recommended support of the feasibility study. B. Notice of Neighborhood Meeting for Upgrading Anderson Lakes Parkway Refer to memo from Gene Dietz, Director of Public Works, dated September 23, 1992. �� This is an information item only. _ APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 5, 1992 -6- It is proposed that Anderson Lakes Parkway will be upgraded to a four lane road from County Road 18 to Franlo Road. The main issues discussed at the meeting included why it is necessary to have an entrance and parking lot in the park and why the road needs to be upgraded to four lanes. Bowman asked why the Commission was not notified about the meeting and that the only residents invited were those living within 400 feet of Anderson Lakes Parkway. He found out about the meeting from the notice in the newspaper. Bowman said that much of the discussion at the meeting was based on the significant traffic levels which were measured only from County Road 18 to Jerry' s. It is not known how many cars proceed down Anderson Lakes Parkway from that point. CBowman has a problem with taking away 15 acres of the park and removing 500 significant trees. Lambert said that Commission members are normally not informed about neighborhood information meetings such as this one regarding road improvements, etc. Lynch asked what is the opinion of the Suburban Hennepin Parks Commission regarding the road improvements. Lambert said they would prefer to remove. Jerry's and the homes located to the south and saving the park, but realize that is not feasible and have agreed to the plan shown by the County. C. Award Bid for Staring Lake Amphitheatre Building Cross said that $17,000 had been included in the 1991 budget for a storage building at the amphitheatre. It was decided to construct a multi-purpose building at an estimated cost of $48,000. The Historical and Cultural Commission asked the City Council for the additional 30,000 to construct the building this year. The low bid was C.O. Fields at $46,400. r • i'. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 5 , 1992 -7- MOTION: Lynch moved to recommend approval of the low bid of $46, 400 from C.O. Fields for construction of the multi-purpose building at the Staring Lake Amphitheatre. Hilgeman seconded the motion and it passed 7-0. VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services 1. Proclamation of National Disability Awareness Month This is an information item only. B. Reports of Community Center Operations Manager 1. Proposed Ice Rink Schedule Refer to memo dated September 29 , 1992 from Dave s Black, Community Center Operations Manager. Black said that the chart included in the packets showed the breakdowns among the usage by City programs, high school programs and athletic associations, hockey association and figure skating group. The Hockey Association will increase their time from 29 to 70 hours per week and the figure skating group will increase their usage from 3 to 9 hours per week. Richard asked about the progress on the second sheet of ice. Black said it is proceeding according to schedule. MOTION: Vanderploeg moved to rcommend approval of the ice rink schedule as outlined. Kracum seconded the motion and it passed 7-0 . 2. Request from Shakopee to Utilize Rink for High School Home Games Refer to memo dated September 28, 1992 from Dave Black, Community Center Operations Manager. r K .APPROVED MINUTES . EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 5, 1992 la; -8- Black said that Shakopee has had problems with their ice arena bubble and will not reinflate it this year. They have requested that practices and 10 games be held at the Community Center in 1992-93. The advantages are the additional revenue of approximately $9000 and the opportunity to help r.I a neighboring community. MOTION: Richard moved to rcommend approval for Shakopee to use the Community Center for hockey practice and ten games during the 1992-93 season. Lynch seconded the motion and it passed 7-0. IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL None X. ADJOURNMENT ( The meeting was adjourned at 9:45 p.m. `Respectfully submitted, Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary Y y C. .t '1 C, nr •r 'l 1. � ., t . . r F 4n " ,r t '.) . 4. r �, e . .r F1A ii �"`� t h+ `h.°I Z,��v ai�7 ��� .�V, AGENDA JOINT CITY COUNCIL PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION TUESDAY, OCTOBER 6, 1942 6 P. M., CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMbERS 7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE COUNCII.NIEMBERS: Mayor Douglas Tenpas;Richard Anderson,Jean Harris, H. Martin Jessen, Patricia Pidcock COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chairperson;Bruce Bowman, Clair Hilegman, Joan Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracum, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg COUNCIL & CONEVIISSION STAFF: City Manager, Carl Jullie; Craig Dawson, Assistant to the City Manager; Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources, Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape Architect; Laurie Helling,Manager of Recreation Services; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources, Kate Garwood, Recording Secretary11 ROLL CALL I. CALL MEETING TO ORDER II. DISCUSSION ITEMS A. Priority AaQuisition of CQnservancy Areas - Study of Minnesota River Bluff and Creek Valleys, "Big Woods" B. Role of the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission in the Development Review Process C. Purgatory Creek Recreation Area Land Aga 'sup.iNon D. .Swimming Pool Needs III. ADJOURNMENT i specmact/7 i 3 i APPROVED MINUTES JOINT MEETING OF CITY COUvr'rr, eNin PARKS, RECREATION. AND NATURAL REGOrrnc`E COIVIMSION .J� TUESDAY, OCTOBER 6, 1992 6:00 PM, CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS 7600 Executive Drive i COUNCII:MEMBERS: Mayor Douglas Tenpas,Richard Anderson,Tean Harris,H.Martin Jessen, and Patricia Pidcock CONEMSSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chairperson; Bruce Bowman, Clair Hilgeman, Joan Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracum, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg CITY COUNCIL STAFF: City Manager Carl J. Jullie, Assistant to the City Manager Craig Dawson; Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation, and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape Architect; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ROLL CALL C.Yfayor Tenpas called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. All members were present. I. DISCUSSION ITEMS A. Priority Acquisition of Conservancy Arens Study of Minnesota River Bluff and Creek Valleys. "BigWoods" Commissioners discussed the importance of preparing an inventory of the remaining sites in the City, like the "Big Woods" at the north end of Mitchell Lake. It was suggested that the City hire a consultant to prepare the inventory and assess the value of such resources in the City. With on such information, an addendum to the City's Comprehensive Plan could be prepared, enabling the City to better plan its land uses and prioritize its expenditures in the future. Councilmembers concurred that an inventory was an appropriate first step. Concern was expressed about the cost of a consultant for this purpose. B. Role of the-Parks, Rerrentinn_ and Natural Resources Commission JnAhe Review Process Developmen± With the "Big Woods" near Mitchell Lake as an example, Commissioners explained the i difficulty in being amongst the last to review any development project. They believed that the ( "Big Woods" issue may not have been as difficult on all the parties involved, if it was known in advance that there was a unique natural resource involved. I i Joint Meeting of City Council 2 October.6, 1992 and Parks, Recreation and Natural, Resources Commission Councilmembers agreed that the input of the Commission was valued highly aril that the Commission was depended upon for detailed review of the park and natural resource issues of any land development. Councilmembers believed that an inventory of these resources would be helpful in avoiding problem situations in future development review. With respect to the park and trail facilities, Councilmembers expressed confidence in the Commission's work on behalf of the community and recommended that they continue the same process with development review in these areas. C. Purgatory Creek Recreation Area Land Acquisition Commissioners discussed their desire to act on the land acquisitions in the Purgatory Creek Recreation Area. After further discussion with the Council, it was determined that additional steps would be taken to approach land owners in the area again and to begin an appraisal process for the lands involved. - D. Swimming Pool Needs Commissioners explained that they perceived the need for an additional public pool in the community for use by families and for organized athletic events. Alternatives were discuss including approaching the clubs in the City about leasing their pools, remodeling the exis In� pool, adding a pool in another location in the City, approaching another city about a joint venture for another pool to be used by both cities, approaching an entrepreneur about a partnership venture for another pool, and adding a pool to a future referendum ballot. Councilmembers agreed that a pool was needed in the community; however, with funds becoming more scarce, it was a need which should be prioritized with the rest of the needs in the City. It was pointed out that questions about another pool were part of the recent community survey of the citizens. Councilmembers suggested that it would be appropriate to revisit this issue at such time as the results of the survey were known. H. ADJOURNMENT Mayor Tenpas adjourned the meeting at 7:25 p.m.