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Parks and Recreation - 07/20/1992 • .:.. '..•: .'�:. ':.....�'.,e v_r:... .:f 1992 JULY :4 6 ,1120 MIN- UTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE .. ,. .. s . .r _�i' f i° __ �_ � � i � . . v. ., .. ,;,nli .i. �.•.;,.,rt P ',:a�w .:...� ., c'a i AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JULY 6, 1992 7:30 P. M., CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Claire Hilgeman, Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracum, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services : :.::....:.:.....:..::. ... ..:....::.. I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JUNE 1 & JUNE 15. 1992 IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. &Q.Uest from Tom Myers RE: Prairie View School/Park V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Glenshire 2nd Addition B. Marsh Creek Development - Preliminary Review VI. OLD BUSINESS VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Approve Change Orders & Alternatives to Community Center Addition Proiect 'B. RgQuest for Appraisal of Riley Creek Valley Outlo on D_orenkempgr Prow C. Review of Prelinary Grading Plan for Miller Park D. Pro,pgsals for Donation of Scoreboard/Vending Contract at Community Center .. ...-.<.vmv.v n Nr.-rc .y.n. a.tumau....+n..wvrr�... {:•. Agenda PRNRC - Page 2 July 6, 1992 VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF a• A. Reports of Director of Parks. Recreation and Natural Resources 1. Memo From Gene Dietz RE: CSAH 4 Bike Trail 2. 1991 Annual Reps B. Reports of Community Centgg 01&rations Manager 1. Program Ending Report - 1992 Ice Show ^ IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL X. ADJOURNMENT `3 { C . .APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, July 6, 1992 7:30 p.m. , City Hall COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Claire Hilgeman, Joanne Kube- Harderwijk, David Kracum, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barb Cross, Landscape Architect; " David Black, Community Center Operations Supervisor I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7: 25 p.m. by Chair, Pat Richard. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA The agenda was approved as printed. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JUNE 1 & JUNE 15, 1992 MOTION: Lynch moved to approve the minutes of June 1 as printed. Vanderploeg seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. MOTION: Lynch moved to approve the minutes of June 15 as printed. Kracum seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Request from Torn Myers Re: Prairie View School/Park Refer to memo dated June 30, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources, letter dated June 18, 1992 from Tom Myers, Prairie View Elementary School Principal and memo from David Hyde, Cunningham Architects. Lambert said that Tom Myers is requesting that the City allow using the hockey rink as a staging area during construction at Prairie View School and would like to relocate the rink and skating area after construction. r .. r , I. r r r APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 6, 1992 -2- Lambert indicated that there is really no other choice, as the neighbors have already expressed concern with the lack of parking. After construction, the hockey rink would be located immediately adjacent to the new addition and the School District is requesting that it be relocated. The School District is considering the purchase of land south of the school from Zachman who is a willing seller. The acquisition of this land would also provide another access off Duck Lake Road. Richard asked who pays for the playground equipment at Prairie View. Lambert said that the school pays ;r for the equipment. Richard feels that the playground equipment at Prairie View is not equal to other schools. Lambert said that the City' s concern is that the equipment meet neighborhood park standards and would assist the school with choosing Cthe equipment if they are asked. The school ' s need for playground equipment exceeds the City's need for y a neighborhood park. Lambert feels it is important to stress that the hockey rink cannot be out of service for more than one year because it is such a valuable recreation facility. The Commission discussed the original plans the architect had given for the staging area and were concerned that the architect did not explain this need at that time. MOTION: Lynch moved to approve allowing the use of the hockey rink for a staging area during construction with strong reservations due to the loss of the hockey rink and supports relocating the rink to an alternate site, preferably at Prairie View School. The loss of this facility is not to be longer than one year and the Commission regrets that this loss was not brought to their attention when the original site plan was approved. Hilgeman seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Glenshire 2nd Addition Refer to staff report dated June 19, 1992. :.i APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. a NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 6 , 1992 -3- Cross said that this site is located across from Edenvale Park on 6 .1 acres in the northeast corner of Valley View Road and Edenvale Blvd. The site is fairly flat with only some small aspen trees. The proposal is for 19 single family lots. All City ordinances have been met and all pedestrian systems are in place. Staff recommends approval. MOTION: Richard moved to approve Glenshire 2nd Addition per staff recommendation. Lynch seconded the motion 1 and it passed 6-0. B. Marsh Creek Development - Preliminary Review Refer to staff report dated June 19, 1992. Lambert introduced Rick Packer, Project Manager from Sienna Corporation. Packer explained that the proposal is for a Jack Nicklaus C signature golf course and 250-350 upscale single family homes with controlled access and private streets which will be maintained to City standards and use City utilities. Approximate density will be 6/10 unit per acre. The construction of the golf course would affect the upgrades to Dell Road and Scenic Heights Road. Several adjacent property owners are not in favor of the proposed 1 improvements to Dell Road. The road was moved slightly to accommodate several wetlands in this area. The internal road system will serve the same purpose as the original plan for Scenic Heights Road which was to provide east/west access to Dell Road. Packer showed the 24 existing wetlands on the site plan along with the 8/10 to 1.2 acres of wetland which are expected to be impacted by this development. The developer would like to reduce this down to 6/10 acre. All storm water ponds will be developed to NURP standards which allows pollutants to settle before the water ] is discharged into the wetland areas. l i a a • 'APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 6 , 1992 -4- There are 115 acres of trees on the site and tree loss is estimated to be 45`k. The developer is not happy with this amount and will attempt to preserve significantly more trees. The developer supports the trail corridor along the abandoned railroad on the west property line from Mitchell Lake to Riley Lake. The developer is working on further improvements on ' ^ the western end of the site to make the trail corridor from Riley Lake to Rice Marsh Lake accessible to the public without danger from stray golf balls. Packer showed slides of aerial photos taken of the site. Lynch referred to Attachment C which mentions tree loss at 25% and asked if this is possible. Packer feels that this is a possibility in the housing Cdevelopment, but may be difficult on the golf course. Bowman asked if there is only one entry into the development. Packer said that there is one controlled access from Dell Road and two emergency vehicle access points. Bowman asked if this meets City code. Lambert said that he believes the length of the cul-de-sacs exceeds City standards of 500 feet. Richard asked what is the reason for a private entrance. Packer said that the developer looked at other alternatives, but they did not meet the desired plan. Other golf courses of this type also have controlled access which not only offers security, but gives exclusivity to those living there. Richard asked if the public trail corridor along the abandoned railroad would be the only trail around the golf course. Packer said yes. Richard asked if the area would be fenced. Packer said yes. f APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 6, 1992 -5- Lynch mentioned the wildlife management plan which was recently adopted by the City of Eden Prairie and said she is concerned about the deer population in •this area. She asked if this issue has been addressed. Packer said it has not been considered up to this point, but he feels there would be a problem no matter what type of development occurred. Vanderploeg asked if it is the intent to fill the bog area with rainwater. Packard said this is very shallow with only a small amount of water, but the developer would like to enhance it. Vanderploeg asked if there will be a bridge over -the trail corridor. Packard said that there will be two grade crossings and one bridge will be depressed. Kracum asked if the development will have its own security. Packer said that they will depend upon City police and fire protection, but will have their own Croad maintenance and entrance control. Richard noted that some of the lots are in close proximity to Riley Lake Parx and asked if these ballfields will be lighted in the future. Lambert said there is a good possibility that the two softbal fields will be lighted. Richard said it is important for the developer to mention this to potential homeowners. Packer said it would be noted in all marketing materials. Bowman asked how this plan affects the master trail plan. Lambert said the only change is moving the trail from the creek corridor to the west property line. Harderwijk wanted to clarify that Dell Road would not be a 4 lane divided road in its entirety. Packer said that a study was done which found there is as much traffic south of Hwy. 212 as north and a suggestion is being made by the developer. APPROVED MINUTES ` EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 6, 1992 -6- Vanderploeg said that in other projects of this size, the developer generally negotiates with the City on a land exchange. Lambert said that staff is suggesting that a permanent open space easement be filed over the golf course as was done with Olympic Hills. With the realignment of Riley Lake Road, the developer is dedicating additional property along the lakeshore and behind Kahnke 's and the outlot to the north in addition to payment of cash park fees. Donating land at Rice Marsh Lake has also been discussed, but not in detail . Richard asked if -the difference in cash park fees lost because of fewer units per acre will be made up by the tax base of the larger homes. Lambert said that because of fewer homes, there is less demand for parkland and facilities. Bowman wanted to clarify who owns the abandoned railroad corridor. Lambert said it is owned by the Hennepin Light Rail Authority and will be developed by Hennepin Parks are a regional trail . VI. OLD BUSINESS None VIT. NEW BUSINESS A. Approve Change Orders & Alternatives to Community Center Addition Project Refer to memo dated June 30, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. Lambert said that the majority of change orders are alternates which are credits to the project. One that is not is the revision of brick mortar color which was an oversight on the architect' s part. He thought the mortar was a natural color, but it is slightly tinted. This is approximately a $3000 cost. �r •f APPROVED MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 6 , 1992 -7- The school decided to revise the locker room reducing the cost. The sound system was deducted because a similar sound system using more of the existing equipment is available at a cost savings of almost $5000. The heat reclaim coil was eliminated since it was not necessary and the recap condenser was revised to a larger unit which is available for the same cost saving about $6000 per year in operating costs. Lynch asked what the total cost savings are. Lambert said the locker rooms is an addition because it was not added until it was approved by the school and the otnar items are subtracted from this figure. MOTION: Lynch moved to recommend approval of the change orders and alternates totalling $135,811.53. Hilgeman seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. Dave Black discussed the status of the project. 3. Request for Appraisal of Riley Creek Valley Outlot on Dorenkemper Property Refer to memo dated June 30, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. Lambert said it was decided to purchase the outlot for a future creek valley trail based on appraised value. MOTION: Richard moved to recommend approval of an appraisal of the Riley Creek Valley outlot. Lynch seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. C. Review of Preliminary Grading Plan for Miller Park Refer to memo dated June 30, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. Cross said that the preliminary grading plan is done and some changes are required based on the final survey and topography. r rr ti APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 6, 1992 -8- The park is 60 ' narrower on the west end than originally thought which puts •the: hockey rink too close to the ad3acent property. Staff is recommending eliminating the nockey rink here and adding a hockey and skating rink at Rice Marsh Lake neighborhood park which would serve this area. If the hockey rink and parking lots are eliminated, staff is recommending access to a 25-30 car parking lot from the west and eventually extending the southern east/west road to the western border of the park. Staff also recommends considering all future skating to be done on the lake surface with a portable warming house near the protected bay in the southwest portion. Since the road is too close to the baseball field, staff will evaluate the cost to move the road further to the northwest requiring some filling in the wetland. The park shelter will be relocated to the large wooded area on the southeast shore of Mitchell Lake requiring the relocation of the tennis courts to the area north of the eastern most soccer field reducing down to two tennis courts and one basketball court. Lambert said the hockey, soccer, football and baseball associations have been contacted about these changes. He has heard only from the Softball Association, but has not met with them yet. Lynch referred to the 55 car parking lot. Lambert said that this parking lot was reduced from a 75 car lot which will keep the lot out of the wooded area. Bowman asked what is the total tree loss. Cross said it is very minimal and there are no significant trees lost on the site. Richard asked if there is any space where a totlot could be added within viewing distance from the ballfields. Lambert said that a netted totlot area is proposed with the softball fields. Vanderpioeg asked if water can be added to the ponding ( area. Cross said that the DNR considers this a deteriorated wetland and is allowing stormwater to be added. i ., i APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 6 , 1992 -9- MOTION: Richard moved to recommend approval of the changes to the Miller Park plan per staff recommendation. Kracum seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. D. Proposals for Donation of Scoreboard/Vending Contract at Community Center Refer to memo dated June 30, 1992 from Dave Black, Community Center Operations Supervisor. Black said that it is common to have a beverage company donate funds for scoreboards. Both Pepsi and Coca- Cola were contacted about their interest in providing the beverages at the new ice arena at the Community Center to cover the cost of a new scoreboard based on a five year contract. Coca-Cola offered a much higher commission on pops and also a commission on juice which Pepsi did not. Pepsi has been used in the past to provide beverages. Staff recommends continuing to use Royal Coin for vending machines providing chips , candy and coffee and changing to Coca-Cola for pop and juice. MOTIO14: Lynch moved to recommend approval of Coca-Cola to provide pop and juice and continue to use Royal Coin for candy, chips and coffee. Harderwijk seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. VIII . REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources 1. Memo from Gene Dietz Re: CSAH 4 Bike Trail This is an information item only. 2. 1991 Annual Report 'Phis is an information item only. I r - ;APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 6 , 1992 d -10- B, Reports of Community Center operations Manager 1. Program Ending Report - 1992 Ice Show This is an information item only. IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL Lambert reported that the City sold bonds on the park bond referendum at 6 .1172% for 20 years. ryt X. ADJOURNMENT t The meeting was adjourned at 9 :45 p•m• Respectsully submitted, Y—A-/ -ICJ Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary C� AGENDA t,. EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JULY 20, 1992 7:30 P. M., CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Claire Hilgeman, Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracum, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services i I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JULY 6. 1992 ' IV. PETITIONS.-REQUESTS AND COMMUNI ATION V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Fairfield West B. Wa] reens VI. OLD BUSINESS VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Scheduling Joint Meetings with City Council & Planning Commission B. Recommendations to Purchase Ice Resurfacer C. Resolution Restricting Parking Near Entry to Staring Lake Park VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Director of Parks Recreation & Natural Resource 1. Eden Prairie Rotary Club Donation i B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services 2. Safety Camp Film VIIL REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL IX. ADJOURNMENT "F t ' APPROVED MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, July 20, 1992 7:30 p.m. , City Hall 'i COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Claire Hilgeman, David Kracum, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg 'k COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Joanne Kube-Harderwi] r, COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barb Cross, Landscape Architect I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by Chair, Pat Richard. EE '1 II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 3 j MOTION: Vanderploeg moved to approve the agenda as printed. Bowman seconded the motion and it passed 5-0 . a C III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JULY 6 , 1992 i MOTION: Lynch moved to approve the minutes of July 6, 1992 as printed. Bowman seconded the motion and it passed 5- j 0. { i IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None 1 V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Fairfield West I Refer to memo from Scott Wallace dated July 15, 1992, memo dated July 17, 1992 from Barb Cross, Landscape Architect, memo dated July 17 , 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources and staff report dated July 10, 1992. Dan Blake of Centex Homes was present at the meeting. He showed slides of the wooded area where the development is planned. 7 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 20, 1992 -2- The site is located adjacent to the Tandem development west of the railroad right-of-way and future Scenic Heights Road extension. The plan is fora 40 lot single family subdivision. 19 of these lots have existing trees which consist of maple and basswood with an approximate size of 16 inches with some oak and ash. This is an extension of the current Fairfield project. The homes planned are the same type as in the Fairfield development, but these lots are larger. There are no walkout lots, but there will be less destruction of the land since the site will require minimum grading. Blake said that Rainbow Tree Care, a forestry company, has been hired as the consultant on the project. The developer is proposing the use of construction fences to define construction limits. Access to Miller Park has been accomplished by changing New Market Dr. to a cul-de-sac which gives greater flexibility for the location of a park access road. Because of this revision, one lot has been removed from the original proposal. An 8 ' bituminous trail will be located on one side of Candlewood Parkway with a 5 ' sidewalk on the other side. Lynch asked if the older homes bordering County Road 4 be removed. Blake said that they will be purchased by the City or the State for the acquisition of Hwy. 212. Blake introduced Dick Putnam of Tandem Corporation who was also at the meeting. Richard requested more information about future development before approving the plan. Blake said that future development is uncertain at this time. Vanderploeg asked if the rest of the woods is owned by Tandem. Putnam said that it was originally a 300 I acre sitebut there are only about 90 acres left, 45 of which are in the Hwy. 212 right-of-way and the balance of the property is the wooded area. He showed the property line on the site plan. .i: APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 20, 1992 -3- Putnam reviewed the tree preservation which will take place and added that the idea of combining the Big Woods with Mitchell Lake Park was discussed about 20 years ago, but did not happen. Richard asked how many acres of the parcel is located in the woods. Blake said it is approximately 6-7 acres. i Richard said he has a problem with 19 lots on 7 acres in a heavily wooded area. He feels if the lot size and home size is limited, the homes would still be marketable for the developer. Putnam said that Tandem has had 26 wooded lots for sale for over a year on Dell Road near the Chanhassen border and has not sold one lot. The homes are expected to be about twice the size as those planned in Fairfield West but to increase the lot and home size here does not fit the developer' s plans. Richard feels that an architect should be available who could revise the home plans to fit on these lots. Lambert asked the Commission to define what percentage of tree loss is acceptable to develop these woods. The road system itself will destroy more trees than the construction of homes. It was the City' s intent to acquire part of the Big Woods for parkland, but they were not able to do so because of the alignment of Hwy. 212. Hilgeman asked what type of budget the City has available to acquire this land. Lambert said there is no money budgeted to acquire this property because it isn't in the park and open space plan, . There is money budgeted for two neighborhood parks an an accress to Smetana Lake. Development of land along the river bluffs would cost at least $.5 million and would need to be funded through a park bond referendum. The value of this land is to leave it as it is. Lynch asked if the EIS required for the development of Hwy. 212 would take the location of the woods as a consideration. She asked why the City is not interested in acquiring the woods for parkland. �. Lambert said the location of Hwy. 212 would cut the woods off from the park. i APPROVED MINUTES 1. EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 20, 1992 -4- M. Lambert suggested that the question of acquisition of the Big Woods could be added to the ballot in the general election in November. Scott Wallace of 12465 Sunnybrook Road reviewed his suggestions for preserving natural areas within the City. Bowman asked what is the cost to add this question to the ballot. Lambert said there would be some additional cost involved, but not a significent amount, since there will already be an election. Lambert said that the question on the ballot could be worded to ask whether the citizens support the increase in their tax levy to acquire a particular number of acres of land in the Big Woods for parkland at a stated amount of money. Vanderploeg asked if road patterns have been done and is it possible to maintain a 70% tree preservation policy throughout the entire site assuming that this is only phase one of development. Putnam said that it may be possible to maintain this level of tree preservation over the next couple of years, but it has not been examined closely. Hilgeman feels that it doesn't matter how many homes there are or the size of the lots, because the land will not be available for public use anyway. Lambert disagreed because the intent is to preserve the character of Eden Prairie to as much of an extent as is possible, whether or not the City owns it. Bowman said the size of the lots is not the main issue, but rather the preservation of trees. How can we ensure that the tree loss will not exceed 29%? Blake said that it cannot be guaranteed, but the City is asking for a financial guarantee by the developer for 46%. Lambert added that the City' s past experience with Centex Homes has been good, and there is a difference in control on this project than there is with other �, developers because the developer also builds the home. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 20, 1992 -5- Kracum asked if there will be restrictive covenants or scenic preservation easements on the homes in this area. Cross said that a restrictive covenant or scenic preservation easement will be required 25 feet from the back of each house on a wooded lot. Lambert discussed the changes that will take place in the woods with the development of roads and building of homes. - Lynch said that since this is such a unique area in Eden Prairie, the public should be made aware of it and asked about their interest in preserving it. Wallace said that he does not believe what the developer said about the trees in the woods being mature. Dead and broken trees are part of the ecosystem. He also said that the development in Marsh Creek will not include homes. CRichard asked if it is fair to ask the developer to delay the project for 30 days pending input from the public. Lambert said the Commission cannot require the developer to wait before making its presentation to the City Council. Lynch said she cannot approve the development without making the citizens aware of what is going on. Bowman agreed with Lynch and suggested that citizens be made aware of the development plans for the woods with the costs involved and given time to present their opinions to the City prior to the next Commission meeting. Lambert does not know how the entire community can be contacted in a two week period better than simply a news article in the local newspaper which will happen anyway. The Commission discussed a longer time period to ensure that everyone can be contacted. Kracum feels it would be valuable to have a tour of the area prior to making a final decision. Richard feels it is important to bring this to the public 's attention, but feels that the turnout will Q be disappointing. L: w APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 20 , 1992 -6- Lambert said that if a notice is placed in the paper, the decision would not have to be delayed longer than two weeks because people will forget about it if it is delayed for a longer period of time. This would not delay the development process. Lynch feels the article needs to be more substantial and should be written by someone with a greater knowledge about the area. Putnam said he is surprised about how the Commission is approaching this issue, as the City has not taken this direction in the past. The park and open space system is not determined on single issue meetings. The City has a definite plan and if the Commission > feels this is important, they should do what they feel is best. Lynch feels the City owes people the information C regardless of how many people come to the meeting or how they feel about the woods. Bowman feels that tabling the issue for two weeks will not impact the developer to a great degree because the City Council meeting is not until after the next Commission meeting anyway and the City Council will make the final decision. Wallace said he thinks the area needs to be looked at from an environmental standpoint. MOTION: Lynch moved to delay action on the Fairfield West development request until staff can schedule a public meeting on the Big Woods before the end of August. Hilgeman seconded the motion. On call for discussion, Bowman noted that the issue will be discussed by the City Council prior to the end of August. Lambert does not have an indication of what is supposed to happen by the end of August. He asked how will people be notified and who will write the article for the newspaper. He does not feel the public can be notified to the extent that is expected. If the public is to be notified by a newspaper article, it should be done prior to the City Council meeting the first week of August. r , p • APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 20, 1992 -7- Richard said if this is to be accomplished in two weeks, he feels it will be difficult to find someone to write the article and that we should depend upon the newspapers to cover the issue accurately. Lynch said that her intent is to request the City Council to delay action and holding the public meeting separately "'• from a regular Commission meeting with a minimum of 10 days notice. If the City Council chooses not to delay their decision, we have our answer. She recommends that the article be written by a member of the Commission with the assistance of staff. " Bowman said that alternatives to acquisition, including _ cost estimates for 6-7 acres in the Big Woods also needs to be discussed. MOTION: Lynch amended her motion to delay action on Fairfield West and request staff to schedule a public meeting on the Big Woods within the next 3 weeks. C The notice is to be publicized in the Sailor and Eden Prairie News and co-authored by a forestry expert. The City Council will be asked to delay action until after the public meeting. Hilgeman seconded the motion and it passed 4-2. Putnam said that delaying action will put the project into next year ' s time frame. Lynch asked why delaying a decision for three weeks will make a difference. Putnam said that there are two readings at the City Council level so this will bring it to an October time frame. The Commission decided to hold the public meeting in conjunction with the August 17 Commission meeting. The Commission will tour the woods beginning at 6:30 p.m. � z 'APPROVED MINUTES \. EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 20 , 1992 -8- B. Walgreens Refer to staff report dated July 10 , 1992. Cross reviewed the site which is located at the corner of Terrey Pine Dr. and County Road 4. All sidewalks are in and there are no significant trees on the site. Some neighbors have expressed concerns about the traffic in the area and suggested the City do a traffic study regarding installing traffic lights on this corner. Bowman asked if the tree replacement policy is being enforced on this site. Cross said that the tree replacement policy is in effect. MOTION: Richard moved to recommend approval of Walgreens per staff recommendation. Lynch seconded the motion and it passed 6-0 . VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Scheduling Joint Meetings with City Council & Planning Commission Refer to memo dated July 7 , 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. Lambert said that at the joint meeting of the City Council and Planning Commission, it was felt that it would be a good idea for the Planning Commission to meet with the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission. Staff suggests that possible areas for discussion are the Minnesota River bluff development, Downtown Eden Prairie trails and improvements and the Purgatory Creek Recreation Area. Lambert asked the Commission members to check their calendars for a date for the joint meeting with the Planning Commission and the City Council and think about items for discussion. _ r 7 y: i APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 20, 1992 -9- Lynch recommended that the joint meeting with the Planning Commission include a discussion about Minnesota River bluff development and the meeting with the City Council include discussions on the role of the Commission in the development review process and preservation of natural features in the Minnesota River bluffs and creek valleys. Richard suggested that development of Eden Prairie' s downtown also be discussed with the City Council. Richard also suggested that the meeting with the City Council be held at either the first or second meeting in September with the Planning Commission meeting held later. ? B. Recommendations to Purchase Ice Resurfacer Refer to memo dated July 15, 1992 from Dave Black, r Community Center Operations Supervisor. MOTION: Lynch moved to recommend that bids for purchase of an ice resurfaces for the new ice arena be completed by August 6 and that a purchase be made based on low bid and that staff continue contacting local businesses about sponsorship. Richard seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. C. Resolution Restricting Parking Near Entry to Staring Lake Park Refer to memo dated July 16, 1992 from Stu Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources. Lambert said that because of large turnouts for the concerts at the Staring Lake Amphitheatre, there have been problems with parking along Pioneer Trail and a lack of site distance for those leaving the park. Staff is recommending that no parking be allowed 1000 feet on either side of the entrance to Staring Lake Park. MOTION: Lynch moved to recommend approval of Resolution I ' 92-173 authorizing the county to post no parking signs 1000 feet on either side of the entrance to Staring Lake Park. Kracum seconded the motion and it passed ( 6-0. i'' M,PPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 20 , 1992 -10- VIII•, REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Director of Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources 1. Eden Prairie Rotary Club Donation_ Refer to memo dated July 7 , 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. 1 This is an information item only. B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services 1. Safety Camp Film The video will be circulated among the Commission members for their review. IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL Lambert reported that following the last Commission meeting, the School District decided not to allow the use of the hockey rink at Forest Hills to be used as a staging area during construction. They will attempt to find another area for the construction equipment. X. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 10: 30 p.m . Respectfully submitted, V-- " Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary