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JUNE 1 15
MINUTES
CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
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- AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, JUNE 1, 1992 7:30 P. M., CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Clair Hildgeman,
Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracum, Diane
Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape
Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural
Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation
Services
I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - MAY 18 1992
C IV. PETITIONS EQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Equest from Strathy's Regarding: Conservancy Easement
B. RcQuest for Use of Motorized Vehicle on Transportation Trails
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
VI. OLD BUSINESS
VIL NEW BUSINESS
A. Policy on the Use of the City's Sound System
B. Request for Authorization to Obtain an ARpraisal on the Cedar For-eat Park
VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural Resources
1. Red Rock Lake Aeration Location
IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL.
X. ADJOURNMENT
APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECRE&TION & NATURAL RESOURCES CM44ISSION
MONDAY, JUNE 1, 1992 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
7600 Executive Drive
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Claire Hilgeman,
Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracun, Diane
Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross,
Landscape Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of
Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling,
Manager of Recreation Services
I. R LT,, CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 PM by Acting Chair, Diane Popovich
Lynch. Bowman, Richard and Vanderploeg were absent.
C II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
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The following item was added to the agenda: viz. Q. RW=st for
Authorization to Obtain an Appraisal on a Miller Park Parcel.
MOTION: Kube-Harderwijk moved, seconded by Hilgeman, to approve the Agenda as
published and amended. Motion carried 4-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF MAY 18, 1992 MEETING
MOTION: Kracum moved, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk, to approve as submitted
the Minutes of May 18, 1992. Motion carried 4-0.
IV. PETITIONS. R STS AND OCMKJNICATIONS
A. west from Strathy's Regarding: Conservancy E Bement
Refer to the memo dated May 28, 1992, from Stuart A. Fox, Manager of
Parks & Natural Resources.
Fox said that the Strathy's want to regrade their property at 11787
Welters Way in order to correct a water problem.
Mrs. Strathy said that they want to get a flatter ridge in their
backyard and that they want to remove some of the understory in order to
control deer ticks. She said they question whether 50% of their lot
needs to be part of the conservancy easement.
Lambert said that the conservancy lines were set before any lots were
sold and that this easement was designed to provide screening from the
public trail that will be built along the creek.
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Mr. Strathy said they only want to remove a limited number of trees and
replace them with different types of trees.
Kube-Harderwijk asked if the removal of brush is prohibited in the
easement area. Lambert replied that the scenic easement does not allow
removal of any vegetation.
Mr. Strathy asked if dead trees can be removed. Lambert replied that
they can be removed with the City's approval .
Hilgeman asked the Strathy's to describe the extent of the proposed
infringement on the easement. They replied that they want to grade 20
feet beyond the proposed border wall.
Lynch asked about the composition of the existing understory. Fox
replied it is low-growing shrubs and grass.
Lynch asked if granting this request would involve amending the scenic
easement. Lambert said we would allow them to encroach on the scenic
easement.
Hilgeman said she was okay with the boulder wall but she had a problem
with clearing and grading in the easement. She said she was concerned
(\/ about setting a precedent.
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Mr. Strathy noted that there is a swath near their property where
everything was cleared out down to the creek. Lambert said this was
cleared in order to accotmrodate the storm sewer.
Kracum said the intent of the scenic easement is that this area should
be maintained in its natural condition and there would have to be
compelling reasons to grant exceptions. He said he had no problem with
moving the wall back, but he saw no reason to change the understory.
WrICK: Hilgeman moved, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk, to recommend that
the Strathy's be permitted to relocate the retaining wall, including the
wrap-around on the north end that will encroach on the scenic easement,
but that they be denied permission to change the woodlands or understory
area as outlined within the terms of the scenic easement. Motion
carried 4-0.
B. Reauest for Use of, Motorized Vehicle on Tr=portation TXAjIA
Refer to memo dated May 27, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks,
Recreation & Natural Resources.
Lambert said that, after investigating All Terrain Vehicles in response
to Mr. Pavlicek's request, staff is even more definitely against the use
of any ATV vehicles on the trail system. He said they are recommending
some changes to the ordinance in order to clarify the type and size of
vehicle allowed on the trails.
Kracum said he believes ATV's are inherently dangerous vehicles, and he
would never recommend the use of such vehicles on the trails.
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Lynch asked how the proposed ordinance changes would affect the use of
other types of vehicles. Lambert said that bicycle and tricycle
adaptations that are battery-operated would fit within the standards.
MOTICK: Lynch moved, seconded by Hilgeman, to recomaeid denial of the
request for use of a motorized vehicle on transportation trails and,
further, to recommend that: revisions be made to ordinance 81-23, as
indicated in the staff memo of May 27, 1992, except that the proposed
speed limit of 15 MPH should be changed to a speed limit of 10 MPH.
Motion carried 4-0.
V.
There were none.
VI. Sty?SINESS
There was none.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. policy► on the Use of the City's Sound System
Refer to memo dated May 27, 1992 from Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks
and Natural Resources.
Fox said this system is very flexible and relatively easy to use. He
said that it is primarily used at the amphitheater but that we are
getting more and more requests for its use from outside groups,
particularly the School District. He said staff would like to get some
direction in order to establish some type of policy regarding its use by
outside groups.
Lynch asked how groups that use the system are being informed of its
proper set-up and use. Fox said we have hired a professional for the
"Concert in the Parks" series and that there is a City-staff member who
is familiar with its usage.
Kracum said he could foresee problems determining liability in case of
damage to the equipment if many different groups are allowed to use the
system.
Kube-Harderwijk said she thought the system should be available for
community events, provided some of the other points are met.
Lynch said she thought it should be available for events sponsored or
co-sponsored by the City, that any organization using it should be
required to use our duly-approved person to setup and take down the
system, and that a security deposit should be required.
Hilgeman said the user should also pay for the technician's time.
Helling asked if we should make the system available to the School
District and churches. Lynch said she thought it should not be made
available to churches and that it should be made available to the School
District only in those cases where we are co-sponsoring with them.
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B. Reauest for Authorization to Obtain an Appraisal on the Cedar Forest
Park Site
Refer to the memo of May 26, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks,
Recreation & Natural Resources.
Lambert said staff has been negotiating with Mr. Doug Swanson for the.
purchase of the property at 16580 Valley Road for use as a neighborhood
park. He said we are at a point where we need to get an appraisal on
the site for further discussions with Mr. Swanson. He said such an
appraisal would cost about $1200-$1500.
MOTION: Kracun moved, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk, to recommend that
staff obtain an appraisal of the Swanson property, per the
reccnmendations of the staff memo of May 26th. Motiaai carried 4-0.
C. Request for Authorization to Obtain an Appraisal on a Miller Park Parcel
Lambert said this is a 1/2 acre parcel which Mason Hanes has refused to
donate to us. He said they have quoted a price of $15,000, but they
would like us to get an appraisal of the property.
MOTION: Kracun moved, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk, to recamnend that
C staff obtain an appraisal of the Miller Park parcel. Motion carried 4-
0.
VIII. REPORTS OF COIrHISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Manager of Parks & Natural Resources
1. RQd Rock Lake Aeratign_L•ocation
Refer to the memorandum of May 28, 1992, fran Stuart A. Fox,
Manager of Parks & Natural Resources.
Lambert said this memo provides information related to the
installation and operation of the aeration system at Red Rock Lake
last winter. He said a property owner had caplained about the
location and operation of the system.
Fox said the location of the system was based on the
recannendation from the DNR. He said they don't know at this
point how often it will be used or if a permanent location may be
needed.
Kracum asked if the purpose of the aeration was to support game
fish. Lambert said it was and that the DNR won't stock and manage
the lake unless we cemmit to aeration.
IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL
l There were no reports.
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MOTION: Ly
nch moved, seconded by Hilgeman, to adjourn the meeting at 9:20 PM,
Respectfully submitted,
Janice C. Nelson
Recording Secretary
AGENDA
JOINT MEETING EDEN PRAIRIE CITY COUNCIL AND
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
TUESDAY, JUNE 2, 1992 6:60 P.M., CITY HALL
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COUNCILMEMBERS: Mayor Douglas B. Tenpas, Richard Anderson, Jean Harris,
H. Martin Jessen, Patricia Pidcock,
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chairperson; Bruce Bowman, Clair
Hil4geman, Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracum,
Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg
CITY STAFF: Carl Jullie, City Manager; Craig Dawson, Assistant to the
City Manager; Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks,
Recreation and Natural Resources; Kate Garwood, Council
Recorder
{� PLEASE NOTE .
DINNER WILL BE;SERVED
I. REVIEW UPDATED PARK AND OPEN SPACE CIP
II. DISCUSSION OF ACQUISITION OF NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS IN SOUTHWEST
EDEN PRAIRIE
III. DISCUSSION QN SWIMMING POOL NEEDS
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AGENDA
EDEN PR.AIRM PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, JUNE 15, 1992 7:30 P. M., CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Claire Hilgeman,
Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, David Kracum, Diane
Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape
Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural
Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation
Services
I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROYAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - J NE 1 1992
IV DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Dorenkemper Estates
V. OLD BUSINESS
A. Commission Tours - Reminder and Directions
B. Policy for Use of City Sound System
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VI. NEW BUSINESS
None
VII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AN STAFF
A. Reports of Director of Parks Recreation and Natural Resources
1. Community Carden Programs Tour - July 3t
2. Playground Hazards Ncws Article
3. URda a on Status of Abandoned Railroad Through Eden Prairie
B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Servicgs
1. Ending Report - 1992 Sig Entertainment Elio„ Prairie Style Program
"Salute to American Music"
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IX. ADJOURNMENT
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Monday, June 15, 1992 7:30 p.m. , City Hall �
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman
(late) , Claire Hilgeman, Joanne
Kube-Harderwijk, Diane Popovich
Lynch (late) , Del Vanderploeg
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: David Kracum
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks,
Recreation and Natural Resources;
Barb Cross, Landscape Architect; f
Laurie Helling, Manager of
Recreation Services
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by Chair,
Pat Richard.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
CMOTION: Vanderploeg moved to approve the agenda as printed.
Kube-Harderwijk seconded the motion and it passed 4-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JUNE 1, 1992
There was not a quorum in attendance at this meeting to
approve the minutes.
IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A, . Dorenkemper Estates
Refer to memo dated June 11, 1992 from Barb Cross,
Landscape Architect and staff report dated May 8, 1992.
Mr. Dorenkemper was present at the meeting. Cross
reviewed the site which is located south of Pioneer
Trail and west of Riley Creek. The property has been
subdivided into four lots, one outlot and a road
right-of-way and there are some variances involved.
Staff recommends an appraisal of Outlot A and purchasing
the property rather than accepting it in lieu of cash
park fees. The City will be collecting a much larger
cash park fee in the future when the area is developed.
�. Richard asked if this will be used only as a trail
corridor. Cross said yes.
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Mr. Dorenkemper had no objections to the proposal
presented by City staff.
MOTION: Richard moved to recommend approval of Dorenkempe
Estates per staff recommendation. Hilgeman seconded
the motion and it passed 5-0.
V. OLD BUSINESS
A. Commission Tours - Reminder and DirectionsS
Refer to memo dated June 8, 1992 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks, Recreation anti Natural Resources.
This is an information item only.
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Hilgeman offered the Commission members parking in
her driveway or street for the June 22 tour.
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B. Policy for Use of City Sound System
C_ Refer to memo dated June 12, 1992 from Stu Fox, Manager
of Parks and Natural Resources.
Lambert said that this was discussed at the last
Commission meeting. Stu Fox has drafted some guidelines
for usage of the City sound system. Lambert reviewed
the individual points of the guidelines which were s
included in the packets.
Richard asked if people can rent sound equipment that
is comparable to this. Lambert said this type of
equipment is generally available where music supplies
are sold. `
Cross added that this type of equipment rents for about
$200 to $250 per day.
Richard asked if users are required to tell the City q
who the technician will be. Lambert said that City
hires the technician. 1
Kube-Harderwijk agreed that the memo was not clear
regarding the City hiring the technician.
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Vanderploeg asked if the $100 security deposit is
sufficient. Lambert said he is comfortable with it
since the City technician will be the one transporting
and operating the equipment. He added that it is the
technician' s decision whether to take down the equipment i
because of the weather.
Bowman suggested that the wording "security deposit"
be changed since it will be the City technician operating
the equipment. He also asked if the $40 covers insurance
costs.
Lambert said that special cushioned boxes were made
for the equipment and it is well protected. There
has been no damage to the equipment last year or so
far this year.
MOTION: Kube-Harderwijk moved to recommend approval
of the guidelines for the usage of the City sound system
clarifying that the equipment is to be operated by
a City approved technician only and the change in wording ,,
for "security deposit" . Bowman seconded the motion
and it passed 5-0.
VI. NEW BUSINESS
None
III. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources1. Community Garden Programs Tour - July 31
This is an information item only.
Cross said she plans to attend the tour.
Lambert said that the City would pay the fee for
Commission members wishing to attend.
Richard noted that the plantings at Round Lake
Park are not working out well.
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Lambert explained that the City is waiting to receive
plans from the Garden Club to go out for bids on
the irrigation system donated by the Eden Prairie
Foundation. The fill that was hauled in this spring
was mostly clay and hard to work with.
Kube-Harderwijk believes that there is some
miscommunication within the Garden Club because
it did not plan on getting an irrigation system
this year, but was going to use a hose.
Richard asked if the Garden Club has someone
knowledgeable enough to do a plan. Kube-Harderwijk
said they have quite a detailed concept plan for
the site.
2 . Playground Hazards News Article
This is an information item only.
Lambert said that the article was provided by a
member of the Planning Commission.
3 . Update on Status of Abandoned Railroad Through
Eden Prairie
Refer to memo dated June 4, 1992 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources.
This is an information item only.
Dick Anderson requested a status report on when
the trail will be completed.
B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services
1. Ending Report - 1992 Spring Entertainment Eden
Prairie Style Program "Salute to American Music"
This is an information item only.
VIII. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL
Lambert noted that construction on the second sheet of
ice at the Community Center began today.
Pioneer Park is being surveyed and should be completed
late this week.
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Cross reported that Miller Park is coming along well.
The DNR has determined that no additional storm water ponding
is necessary. The City is negotiating with MNDOT on County
Road 4 improvements planned for 1994.
The Jack Nicklaus golf course near Riley Lake Park is early
in the planning stages. Work is continuing on the storm
water sewer at the park.
Vanderploeg mentioned that a couple of milfoil markers
and a buoy have floated against the shore at Riley Lake.
IX. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Richard moved to adjourn the meeting at 8: 25 p.m.
Bowman seconded the motion and it passed 6-0.
Respectfully- submitted,
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Lois Boettcher
Recording Secretary
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