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Parks and Recreation - 02/08/1992 AN , �, � ., ... � ...'. �... :. ., ,•.;. `. ... Ali, i 1.}J... .. .... � __ .. .... �'.. ._ :7 1992 FEBRUARY3 8 r- MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIR IE .. � ':5. i. t .,i° , �`1• � . i r , ,.,:�'a .� .� �,'. �, .. .. t�\ .. .� a• .. ':�.',,, i. t. 6 �i i..i....i,1�. .�,'�A»�,1,.+�.gp4.,, ~:4. .•�,.. AGENDA c EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, FEBRUARY 3, 1992 7:30 P. M., CITY HALL 7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Paul Karpinko, Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, David Kuechenmeister, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JANUARY 6, 1992 C IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Letter from Merle Gamm RR* Prairie View Tennis Courts B. Rgauest from Bud Bjerken Section VI Hockey RE: Use of Ice Rink C. RNquest from Foxjet Swim Club RE: Additional Pool Time V. DEVEQPMENT PROPOSALS A. Normar B. Presentation of Schematic Design for Ice Rink at Community Center C. Re2ort on Senior Center Addition VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Leg Hold Traps (con't to March 2,1992) B. Nine-Mile Creek Watershed District Cool&rative Agreement RE: Studyof Birch Island Lake Glen Lake and Shady Oak Lake VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Recommendation on Acquisition of Neighborhood Park for Sotithwest Eden CPrailie VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF 1 , . I , I. I A. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural Resources 1. RRe uest to Purchase Skid Steer Loader B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services 1. Adult Softball Season Ending R=rtrt 2, west for Changes to lmgue Fees for Adult SoMall IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL- X. ADJOURNMENT parkag/bob -t •L t•� .. .' '.. .:._..:: _. ;.• � ` . . \erg. I ;APROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, February 3, 1992 7:30 p.m. , City Hall 7600 Executive Drive COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Joanne Kube-Harderwijk, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: David Kuechenmeister, Paul Karpinko COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services; Sandy Werts, Recreation Supervisor I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:50 p.m. by Chair, Pat Richard. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA (` MOTION_ Vanderploeg moved to approve the agenda as printed. Kube-Harderwijk Seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JANUARY 6, 1992 Lynch noted that Paragraph 4 on Page 4 should read " . . .a trapper and animal control officer. . . " MOTION: Vanderploeg moved to approve the minutes as amended. Lynch seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Letter from Merle Gamm Re: Prairie View Tennis Courts Refer to memo dated January 30 , 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. Lambert said that the tennis courts have been eliminated at Prairie View School because of the expansion and the City would like them to be replaced. Staff is suggesting that two tennis courts be added at Central Middle School. Richard commented that Sterling Fields has a tennis court which is in bad shape. He would like to see it become usable. iAPPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Feb. 3, 1992 -2- Lambert feels that it may be necessary to start over on this tennis court to make it court up to City standards. Richard said he would be interested in finding out what the costs would be. Lambert fels this should be a separate issue from the tennis courts being discussed with the school. MOTION: Richard moved to recommend that two additional tennis courts at Central Middle School will replace those that are being lost at Prairie View. Vanderploeg seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. B. Request from Bud Bjerken, Section VI Hockey Re Use of Ice Rink +� Refer to memo dated January 23, 1992 from Dave Black, Community Center Operations Supervisor. Dave Black spoke on the behalf of Bud Bjerken who was unable to attend the meeting. Section VI Hockey is looking for a neutral site to play high school hockey Tier II, Section VI Section Championship and is asking !!! to use the Community Center on March 7, 1992 at 7:30 p.m. 7 r The schedule for the hockey rink that evening includes the Hockey Association from 6:45-7:45 and public skating from 8-11. Staff recommends accepting the request with the stipulation that the game be rather than 7 : 30 p.m, g gin at 8:30 p.m. Lambert said that this issue is being brought to the Commission because it involves taking away public skating time. Richard asked how many people in open skating would be affected. Black said that normally open skating brings in $25-$60. ,fir MOTION: Lynch moved to recommend accepting the request from the High School Hockey Tier II , Section VI Section Championship to be played at the Community Center on C March 7, 1992 at 8:30 p.m. Kube-Harderwijk seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. 'f .u•....... _. %APPROVED MINUTES "F' EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Feb. 3, 1992 -3- C. Request from Foxiet Swim Club Re: Additional Pool Time Refer to memo dated January 29, 1992 from Elyce Kastigar, Recreation Supervisor for Aquatics and Fitness. Tad Hauck, Head Coach of the Foxjets and Elyce Kastigar, Recreation Supervisor for Aquatics and Fitness were present at the meeting. ' J Hauck is requesting additional pool space during the current scheduled practice hours at the Community Center for one additional lane on Monday and Wednesday from 6:00-7 :30 p.m. and for two additional lanes on Tuesday and Thursday from 7 :308:00 p.m. Kastigar supports the request, as it will not affect open swim or classes. MOTION: Lynch moved to recommend approval of the Foxjets request for additional pool space during their current scheduled practice hours. Vanderploeg seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Normark Refer to memo dated January 30 , 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources and staff report dated January 24, 1992. Lambert introduced Dan Ross from Hoyt Development. Ross introduced Jerry Flaherty from Ulteig Engineers. Flaherty reviewed the site which is located east of Golden Triangle Drive and north of Nine Mile Creek. The site ranges from 832 to 886 contours and the proposed building is to be located at mid point. A 32-34' retaining wall will be constructed and tree loss is expected to be 50.5% or 619 caliper inches. Less than 10, 000 square feet of wetland will be filled and no permit will be needed from the DNR. Some grading will take place on City property in two different areas. Lambert asked Flaherty to show the Commission Normark's property line and where grading has already been done. He asked how much grading will be done on City property. fi . APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Feb. 3, 1992 -4- Ross said that not more than 60 ' of grading will be done on City property. He gave the Commission a brief history of the site. Lambert said that about 50% of the trees on the existing site will be removed and a good portion of the trees are located on the 65 ' slope of the City property. Grading this area is the only way to construct a building on the site and variances are required from the shoreland management ordinances because of the setback from the creek. Lambert added that it is necessary to go to the site to determine whether the trail is necessary along Golden Triangle Drive and Washington Avenue. Lambert said that storm water runoff and water quality will meet requirements with the construction of the pool. C Lynch asked under what circumstances variances to the shoreland management ordinance are granted. Lambert said they are generally granted if there is a hardship with no alternative to developing the site. Lambert added that the minimum lot size variance should be considered because of the land that was given to the City. However, the impervious surface is somewhat of a concern. Vanderploeg asked which direction will the building be facing. Ross said it will be facing mostly south. Bowman said since he has not been to the site, he would find it difficult to imagine a building of this size being constructed there. He asked why the City is allowing a variance on the three ordinances. Ross commented that the original PUD was for a 48,000 square foot, ten story office building with a two story parking ramp and this is a definite improvement over that plan. Ross added that the problem with the site if the setback variances are not granted is that the building would �- be too long and narrow. i . y 'APPROVED MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Feb. 3, 1992 -5- Lambert asked if the City Council has approved using tax increment financing or has the developer changed his mind. Ross said this is still being discussed. Bowman asked where the new trees will be added. Ross said that trees will be added in all areas on the site shown in green on the site plan. Richard said there already seems to have been a lot of give and take by the City and the developer and he asked at what point the City would decide that this 1 site is not appropriate for a building of this type. + Lambert said that development has already been approved on the site so eventually a building will be constructed there. Bowman asked if the developer met all zoning requirements, what type of building could be constructed on the site. ( Lambert said it would be a very strange looking building. Bowman said he is concerned that granting this number of variances will set a precedent for developers and he would have a difficult time supporting the request without seeing the site. Richard said that since the consensus of the Commission is that they would like to walk to the site, it may be necessary to hold a special meeting prior to the presentation to the City Council. He suggested meeting next Monday evening in conjunction with the park bond referendum meeting. After further discussion, it was decided that the Commission would meet at the site on Saturday morning at 9: 00 a.m. Ross added that there will be another review with the Planning Commission next Monday and the plan is to be presented to the City Council on February 18. i Richard suggested that the Commission meet on Saturday at 8: 30 a.m. with a meeting to follow. The developer will also be present. 'APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Feb. 3, 1992 -6- B. Presentation of Schematic Design for Ice Rink at Community Center Refer to memo dated January 27 , 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. Lambert said that staff has been working with a design review committee for two months on a schematic plan for a second ice rink at the Community Center including 4 a site plan, as well as taking possible future expansion ' into consideration. Lambert introduced Del Erickson of Del Erickson Architects. Erickson said that in addition to the second sheet of ice, the schematic plan includes improvements to the locker rooms and the addition of family locker rooms. The pool, school ballfields, existing parking lot and the location of Valley View Road were all taken C_ into consideration. Erickson said that an entrance to the Community Center on the school side is planned which would allow use of the school parking lot. The school has an interest in locker rooms and they could make use of the North Stars area. The figure skating group would then use the present school locker rooms. Vanderploeg asked if seating for the Olympic size rink would be the same as the other rink. Erickson said that seating for 450 is planned while the existing rink has seating for 1200. Additional seating for the new rink may be the responsbility of the school. Richard asked if the lobby area would be expanded. Lambert said to keep in mind that the entrance by the swimming pool is included in future expansion and not included in the original plan. Richard asked if storage areas can be included in the plan. Erickson said there are storage areas planned for the second floor. C l ti APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Feb. 3, 1992 -7- Kube-Harderwijk asked if the bleachers will be removed for a walkway by the pool area. Erickson said they will be cut down to 3-4 rows of seating. There will be additional seating in the balcony area or along the walkway. Richard said that the athletic associations always request additional storage space and he does not feel the second floor is the ideal place for storage. Lambert said the ice rink addition budget is at $1.9 million and the plan is still at $2.5 million. He feels athletic association storage areas can be provided somewhere else and added that storage space is planned for the second phase of Miller Park. Bowman asked if consideration has been given to additional seating in the new rink and using some of the areas by the existing rink for storage. ( Vanderploeg asked if the school plans to build a wider \- walkway if the parking lot will be used. Erickson said that it will be an open walkway similar to what it is now, but it should have the appearance of a major entrance instead of just a door. A covered walkway is a possibility for the future. Lambert said that City staff is suggesting that the school add some lighting along the walkway. Erickson reviewed the configuration of the building from the outside. In the future, the parking lot will accommodate 25 additional parking spaces and have a better circulation system. Lambert said that the next phase would be design development. The original budget is $1.9 million and the plan is already at almost $2.5 million. Staff has suggested some cost reduction items and alternate scaled back items to reduce the cost to $2.1 million. APPROVED MINUTES C� EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Feb. 3, 1992 -8- Projecting prime time ice hours at 1666 hours per year at $105 per hour for the next 20 years was done. A $2. 5 million project could be funded at this rate, but it would not fund the operational costs of the facility. A decision needs to be made whether the budget for the ice rink addition should be $2.1 million i. or $2.3 million. Scaling the cost down to $2.1 million would require numerous cuts and would limit future expansion. Richard feels that the $2.3 million figure should be approved to avoid disappointment in the near future. Vanderploeg said it is also unknown what the actual construction costs will be at this point. Bowman asked if other cutbacks could be made that would not reduce growth of the facility in the future and also what is the reaon for the Olympic size rink. Lambert said that after talking to many, hockey experts all over the country, it was felt that the Olympic rink, which is 15 feet wider, would make hockey more of a skating game, it would give figure skaters more i room and allow more kids on the rink. Lynch asked what impact financing this project would have on other programs. Lambert said that the cost would be covered by bonds and he feels a maximum of $2. 3 million should be considered. The exterior improvements such as the building entry and parking lots could be added later. Lambert added that a sand floor is being considered because the rink is expected to be used year round and it would mean a cost savings of about $130,000 over a concrete floor. MOTION: Vanderploeg moved to recommend a $2.3 million budget for the ice rink addition at the Community Center. The Commission suggests the parking lot and entry improvements be done later, showers and toilets in team rooms be roughed in only and a hydronic heating system be used. Lynch seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. , 1 - 'r ytl APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Feb. 3, 1992 -9- C. Senior Center Addition Refer to memo dated January 27, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. Sandy Werts said this addition was originally planned to be included in the park bond referendum, but the City will be applying for community development block grant funds in 1993 and the rest will come out of the 1993 budget. Seniors were surveyed to find out what facilities they would like to see and what programs they would like added. The only change in the lower level would be to add a serving counter in the kitchen area. A three stop elevator with three doors is proposed which would eliminate the stairway. It is also proposed that the lower level meeting room be changed into a library Cand the offices would be moved upstairs. Werts added that the seniors were pleased with the plans. Lambert asked about the woodworking shop. Werts said that the old City Council chambers would accommodate a woodworking shop very nicely. i Richard asked if there is money available for equipment for the woodworking shop. Werts said no, but she will draft a letter to the Eden Prairie Foundation. Kube-Harderwijk asked if there was an interest expressed in changes outside. Werts said that a putting green, neighborhood park and garden with water were the top priorities. Richard asked if there is a possibility to add a putting green at Pioneer Park. Werts said that she has made the same suggestion, but it was felt that with the addition of the new golf course near the airport, the need for the putting green would be met. MOTION: Richard moved to recommend approval of the concept plan for the Senior Center addition. Lynch seconded the motion. L i ( APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Feb. 3, 1992 -10- On call for discussion, Vanderploeg asked if there is an actual. elevator or a lift projected for the building. Lambert said that the City will be getting bids on both. The motion passed 5-0. VI. NEW BUSINESS A. Lake Hold Traps (cont. to March 2, 1992 ) B. Nine-Mile Creek Watershed District Cooperative Agreement Re. Study of Birch Island Lake, Glen Lake and Shady Oak Lake Refer to memo dated January 28, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission. Lambert said that staff is requesting approval to fund $8889 for the City's share of the lower lake level study. MOTION: Lynch moved to recommend approval to fund $8889 for the City's portion of the lower lake level study. Vanderploeg seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Recommendation on Acquisition or Neighborhood Park Southwest Eden Prairie Refer to memo dated January 22, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. Lambert said that the parcel in the Crestwood Terrace area was discussed earlier this year. He has spoken to the property owners who have agreed on a price of $12,500 per acre or $145,000 to be paid out of cash park fees. Staff recommends the acquisition of the property and the drafting of a purchase agreement. MOTION: Lynch moved to recommend approval of the purchase of the 11.6 acre parcel in the Crestwood Terrace area for $145, 000 to be used as a future neighborhood park. CVanderploeg seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. G ...:. i ,. .. .r.. wrn .. .n.gee....•...-..........u....:...........«..... . 1 APPROVED MINUTES ( EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Feb. 3, 1992 Richard asked if staff foresees any problems with the neighbors opposing the park. Lambert does not believe there will be any problems. The area will be seeded next year and the plan is for a mass planting with seedlings and the addition of more trees as development occurs. VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural Resources w . 1. Request to Purchase Skid Steer Loader Refer to memo dated January 24, 1992 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. This is an information item only. B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services C_ 1. Adult Softball Season Ending Report This is an information item only. 2. Request for Changes to League Fees for Adult �1 g Softball Refer to memo dated January 28, 1992 from Bob Lanzi, Athletic Coordinator. Helling said that a request is being made that the portion of league fees going to capital improvements be increased by $5 for adult men' s and women' s leagues from $340 to $345 and an increase of $50 for adult co-rec leagues from $255 to $305 per team. MOTION: Vanderploeg moved to recommend approval of the increase in league fees for adult softball. Bowman seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. i I I I APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Feb. 3, 1992 -12- IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL None X. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Kube-Harderwijk moved to adjourn the meeting at 10:10 P.M. Vanderploeg seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. Respectfully submitted, Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary i d } a a J i r 1 l APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 8, 1992 8:30 A.M. GOLDEN TRIANGLE DR NORMARK SITE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Richard, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Joan Kube-Harderwijk, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg, COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Paul Karpinko COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources I. ROLL CALL Commission members met at the site with representatives from the Steven Hoyt Company at 8:30 a.m. II. OLD BUSINESS A. Normark (gontinu from February 3. 1992) After walking the site and determining City boundaries, building boundaries, and grading boundaries, Commission members discussed the future potential of the site as well future proposal for other sites along the creek. Commission members also discussed the feasibility of a trail along the creek corridor, and the City's commitment to preserving certain features along the creek corridor. Lambert indicated that when property is guided for industrial, commercial or office, we can expect that in most cases one hundred percent of the site will be graded. The best we can hope for is to pick and choose what features are important to preserve and then to require dedication of those preserved sites or simply buy them to preserve them. Once the developer donated the wooded hill, at this location, it made the "Normark site" almost impossible to develop without I setback variances from the creek. The decisions the Commission and the Council must make on the Normark site are not a choice between Normark and no development, but the choice between the Normark proposal and an office development that would have a smaller foot print for a building, but most likely would require more parking. In either case, 100% of the site will be developed. i Bruce Bowman stated that he felt the amenities of the creek valley and the C wooded knoll were the types of amenities that should be enjoyed by as many people as possible; therefore, he thought an office development made more sense on this site than a warehouse. I, r� Pat Richard believed that the low profile of the Normark proposal fit into the topography better than a four or five story office building and was comfortable with the proposal even though he was dismayed that all of the oak trees had to be removed and the massive grading on the site would significantly change the character of the creek valley. He believed that would happen no matter whac type of development would occur on this site. MOTION: Vanderploeg moved to approve the Normark request as per the Planning Staff and Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Staff Report conditions, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk. Motion passed 3-2, Bowman and Lynch opposed. Meeting adjourned at approximately 9:30 a.m. Respectfully Submitted, Robert A. Lambert Recording Secretary Feb8min/bob