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Parks and Recreation - 07/15/1991 •rat r`s�, Y 1991 JULY 1 15 MIN— UTESS i 1 CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MIONDAY, JULY 1, 1991 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL 7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE COMMISSION MEMBERS: Bruce Bowman, Karon Joyer, Paul_ Karpinko, David Kuechenmeister, Diane Popovich Lynch, Pat Richard, Del Vanderploeg COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 3, 1991 and JUNE 17, 1991 IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS C_ A. RNuest from Westover Homeowner's Association V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Tech 10 by Hoyt Development Company VI. QLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS None VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Commissinnerc 1. Update on Wildlife Management Subcommittee I, B. Reports of Director of Parks Recreation and Natural Resources 1. 1990 Annual Relmrt i 2. Smetana Lake Improvement 'k C. R=rts of Manager of Recreation Services 1. 4th of July Flyers D. R=rts of Community Center Manager 1. 1991 Ice Show Season Ending Report IX. ADJOURNMENT PARKAG/BOB ) ( I. , �J `i 'f 1 QAPPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, July 1, 1991 7 :30 p.m. , City Hall 7600 Executive Drive COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Richard, chairperson; Karon Joyer, David Kuechenmeister, Diane Popovich Lynch, Del Vanderploeg COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Bruce Bowman, Paul Karpinko COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation an,3 Natural Resources, �w Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services, Dave Black, Operations Supervisor I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m. by chairperson, Pat Richard. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA f, �- MOTION: Vanderploeg moved to approve the agenda as printed. Kuechenmeister seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 3, 1991 AND JUNE 17, 1991 MOTION: Kuechenmeister moved to approve the minutes of June 3 as printed. Richard seconded the motion and it passed 5.0 . Several typos were noted in the June 17 minutes. MOTION: Lynch moved to approve the minutes of June 17 as amended. Vanderploeg seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. Joyer abstained. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Request from Westover Homeowner's Association Refer to memo dated June 28, 1991 from Stu Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 1, 1991 -2- Lambert said that the City received a request from the Westover Homeowners Association that the City take over the two parks located in their neighborhood. Kathy Fisher was not present at the meeting. A final decision will be made by the City Council at their July 16 meeting. The totlot on this site was proposed in the original plan because there was to be multi-family housing located in this area. The homeowners association does not want to maintain the totlot any longer and is asking that the City do so. There is not enough top soil in the park and fist sized rocks were brought to the surface during overseeding. The cost per acre for maintenance of the park would be higher than for a regular sized park and it has limited recreational potential for the community. Most homeowners associations have high expectations of how their park should be kept, and staff is concerned that City crews would not have enough time to maintain these parks. For these reasons, staff recommends denial of the request at this time. Kuechenmeister said that in order to eliminate similar problems in the future, could this type of totlot be upgraded so that they are more attractive and can be maintained by the City in the future. Lambert said that totlots are only recommended when there is a high density residential area that has a homeowners association to maintain it or when it is more than one-half mile to a neighborhood park. Kuechenmeister said he was referring to providing specifications to the developer when these totlots are constructed. Lambert feels that this is a good suggestion although there are limited areas in Eden Prairie where this type of totlot will be constructed in the future. Joyer asked who built the playstructure in the totlot. Lambert said it was built by the developer. y tPPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 1, 1991 -3- Joyer asked if the City has any liability issues with these totlots. Lambert said they are located on private property and owned by the homeowners association; therefore, the City should have no liability on their park. Kuechenmeister suggested that when developers are provided with certain standards for these totlots, can maintenance standards also be included. Lambert said this would be difficult to enforce because the developer turns the totlot over to the homeowners association. MOTION: Lynch moved to recommend not accepting the ownership, maintenance and liability of the Westover parks as requested by the Westover Parks Committee per staff recommendation based on issues such as 4 liability, inconsistency with park plans, standards, etc. Kuechenmeister seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. C V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Tech 10 by Hoyt Development Company Refer to memo dated June 27, 1991 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources 7 and staff report dated June 21, 1991. Lambert said that the only parks, recreation and natural resources issue is the drainage easement as discussed on Page 2 of the planning staff report. The developer is requesting a change in the parking space recommended by the City which requires proof of parking. This was to be located in the back of the building near the floodplain area. The developer wants to change the location to the side of the building and is asking for a variance. There is a possibility that the water level of Smetana Lake will be raised approximately 5 ' to the 838 contour level. Based on a lake level of 838 and a 3 ' bounce to the 841 for the 100 year flood elevation, the currnt proof of parking area would be approximately 50% undere L. water and that is why the developer is requesting that this area be relocated. 4. r c • • n x•vm..wn..ru.•ae.o.m.rw,.nu•uriv •_.enr.n.rrv..re..e...... r .. �.....-.ter�-.• -.sr• .err w•'.ru .r_...ram .�I'r�--M...rran,w' ww x. . 1 .l' APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. R NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 1, 1991 -4- Kuechenmeister asked what the lake level would be if the contour is raised to 838. Lambert said the lake is at the 833 contour now and is 15 ' deep. Kuechenmeister asked if the lake will be aerated. Lambert said he does not feel it will be necessary because Bryant Lake runs through Smetana Lake year round. This will be determined by the DNR MOTION: Vanderploeg moved to recommend requiring a drainage easement to the 841 contour level to accomodate Smetana Lake improvements currently being studied. Joyer seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS `- A. Commission Tours Richard suggested that the Commission tour several areas including Riley Lake Park, the Miller Park property, the new Chaska Community Center, etc. He said that the parks should be a priority. After discussion, the Commission decided to tour Miller Park and Riley Lake Park on Monday, August 19 at 5:30 p.m. prior to the regular Commission meeting. Box lunches will be provided. VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Update on Wildlife Management Subcommittee Lynch reported that she, Kuechenmeister and ' Vanderploeg met on Saturday, June 30. Kuechenmeister drafted a survey similar to the one Bloomington includes in their utility bills. A copy of the survey was distributed. A 90 minute video on deer management is also available. .r. I / k.j.,APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 1, 1991 -5- Lynch checked with Edina whose biggest issue is raccoon management. They have no specific plan for deer. St. Louis Park has no wildlife management plan. Kuechenmeister reviewed the goose management/removal request form. It is .felt that Eden Prairie should be divided geographically depending on land use, population, etc. A response form would be returned to the person making the request. If the person .; did not agree with the City's decision, a final decision would be made by the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission. ti 111 Lambert asked if one form will be used for all 3 complaints. Kuechenmeister said there will be j a separate form for geese, deer, etc. Vanderploeg asked if a statement would be included about who would be responsible for the cost of ' Cremoval. Kuechenmeister said if the property is public, the City would share the cost, but on private property, it would be the owner 's responsibility. i Richard said that the responsibility for who pays for removal could be included in the response from the City. Joyer questioned whether the word "removal" should be included on the form. Lambert questioned whether the City would come under scrutiny from some of the animal protection groups. Kuechenmeister said this form could be reviewed by Dr. Cooper or some of the other wildlife groups. i 2. Duck Lake_ Trail Pedestrian/Bike Path i Vanderploeg said that he, Lynch and Kuechenmeister had viewed the Duck Lake trail pedestrian/bike path area. He reviewed some suggestions made by the y commissioners. 'a t, APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 1, 1991 -6- Lambert said that if the City requests the county to reduce the speed limit, they would set up a speed survey and check the average speed. They cannot reduce less •than 5 mph less than the average speed. Kuechenmeister suggested widening the curb on the west side of Eden Prairie Road and installing a railing. Lambert noted that cost to construct a bridge would be $200,000. Lambert will present these suggestions to the City engineer for his input. Richard asked why there is a curb here. Lambert said the curb was constructed to deflect cars away from pedestrians and bicycles. MOTION: Vanderploeg moved to recommend passing along C the suggestions to the City Engineer for his review and to give cost estimates on making the Duck Lake Trail overpass to Eden Prairie Road safer and to look into widening the concrete path and using only the west side of the bridge. Richard seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. B. Reports of Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources 1. 1990 Annual Report This is an information item only. Kuechenmeister asked about the estimated revenue of interest accrual. Lambert said this is assuming there will be a park bond referendum in 1992. Lynch asked about the status of the goals and objectives for 1991. Lambert said a six month udpate can be provided at the next meeting. Richard asked that this item be included on the agenda for the next meeting. Lambert noted that budget requests for 1992 will also be discussed at the next meeting. " ,APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 1, 1991 -7- Richard asked when will the Commission be discussing a 1992 referendum. Lambert said he is currently drafting a plan for community involvement. He feels the discussion has already started with the petitions from the athletic associations. 2. Smetana Lake Improvement I Refer to memo dated June 19, 1991 from Gene Di lP ' Director of Public Works, etc, This is an information item only. C. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services 1. 4th of July Flyers This is an information item only. Helling said that new events this year will include a tribute to the troops along with a display, Priscilla Nelson, comedian and Bob and the Beachcombers. The Chamber of Commerce has been added to those providing concessions. There will also be a mini triathlon and the Public Safety Department will play a more active role this year. Norwest Bank is the sole supporter of the fireworks this year and donated $8000. Other donations amounting to about $3000 have been received„ Joyer suggested that the City send a thank you to Norwest Bank for their generous contribution. D. Reports of Community Center Manager 1- 1991 Ice Show Season ndin Report Refer to memo dated June 20, 1991 from Dave Black, Operations Supervisor. Black reported that there is always a certain amount of controversy regarding to assigning the various l lead roles for the show. I i APPROVED MINUTES MINUTES C. EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 1, 1991 -8- Black asked if the Commission felt that a $3 fee was too high. He said that the City loses one full weekend of revenue for ice time and evenings when the groups practice. He would like the program 'to be run on a break-even basis. Richard asked if the recommendation is to bring all ticket prices up to $3. Black said yes. Richard suggested offering the groups advance tickets at a cost of $2. Kuechenmeister said that the cost is still lower than going to a movie. ,J Vanderploeg asked how long the show lasts. Black said it is about one hour and 45 minutes. Helling suggested that sponsorship could be solicited for this event. IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Lynch moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:15 p.m. Kuechenmeister seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. Respectfully submitted, Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary 1 + i AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARI{S, RECREATION AND NATURAL RE,SOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JULY 15, 1991 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL 7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE COMMISSION MEMBERS: Bruce Bowman, Karon Joyer, Paul Karpinko, David Kuechenmeister, Diane Popovich Lynch, Pat Richard, Del Vanderploeg COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JULY 1 1991 IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. None V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Carpenter North PUD VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Annual Report (continued from July L 1991) B. Amendment of Park Use Rules Relating to Horses VII. NEW BUSINESS A. 1992 Budget ReQuest Summary B. Review of Time Frame & Process for Planning a 1992 Park Referendum C. Recommendation for Community Center Expansion D. Petition to the Riley-Purgatory-Bluff Creek Watershed District for Construction of the Staring Lake/Purgatory Creek Recreation Area Basic Water Management Project VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Update on Wildlife Management Subcommittee . A:'?i • r � � .._,... -' .-. ....�... ,. :..�.._ _ '.��...�..�.:._,....i_�... .......... .�.r.•..�.�.i. .'.',�_.. ....... .... '1:..'. ....L'...•...L(....:,..a{-i ..�. .. ......ter ...'11. 17' .`1.[ihr�l.._.......l..'9::#Vll4cgak en...a.«. �?.f B. Reports of Director of Parks Recreation and Natural Resources 1. Mid Year Update on 1991 Goals and Objectives 2. Review of Replacement Program for Park Shelter/Warming Houses C. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services 1. Reportpn 4th_of July 2. Formation of Parents Advisory Group for Aquatics Program IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCI)� 1. Council Action on Petition from Wyndham Knoll Area Residents X. ADJOURNMENT PARKAG/BOB i i APPROVED MINUTES \ EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, July 15, 1991 7:30 p.m. , City Hall 7600 Executive Dr. COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Richard, chairperson; Bruce Bowman, Diane Popovich Lynch COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Karon Joyer, Paul Karpinko, David Kuechenmeister, Del Vanderploeg COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services I. ROLL CALL There was not a quorum present to hold a regular meeting. II. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Carpenter North PUD `- Refer to memo dated July 11, 1991 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources and staff reports dated May 23 , 1991 and July 5, 1991. Don Brauer and Walter Carpenter were present at the meeting to make a brief presentation to the Commission. Brauer showed an aerial photo of the site which is located at the northeast quadrant of Prairie Center Dr, and Valley View Road. There is already a sanitary sewer system, dike and channel on the site and there are three large oak trees located in the park area. There is also a large hill in the middle of the site. There is poor soil and the area will have to be excavated or surcharged for a couple of years prior to development. The developer is requesting permission from the City to grade the area and fill it later on. Brauer said that staff asked for a revised plan. The original plan was for medium density residential on the site and included two apartment buildings. This was changed to show a general idea of how the site may be developed which shows less than 30% tree loss. This plan has been approved by the planning staff. (, Bowman asked if the plan includes topping the hill. Brauer said yes. , ... .. • /. ......... _.n..r..^r ..'.:..:.r.,..(...: :.:W-�..... ." ..._..�...._r.......^_Yr . 41`..m....�,rr.vr... .vva.0 ww w........ �._ r•l: .. 'APPROVED MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 15, 1991 -2- r Lambert asked what the timing is for the cul-de-sac to be constructed. Brauer said the cul-de-sac would not be built until development begins on the site. Only grading will be done at this point. There will be no platting or roads. Richard asked if there are any trees east of Valley View Road. Brauer said that there is mostly brush and the site is planned to be strip commercial in the future. Richard asked what type of homes will be built in the upper northeast corner. Brauer said they would most likely be manor homes, townhomes or twin homes. Richard asked if any trees will be spared when the homes are built. Brauer said the trees could be moved to other locations if the hill was cut down. He would like to salvage the trees and replant them in other areas on the site. They are asking for credit from the City for doing this. Carpenter added that he would like to see as many trees as possible utilized in this area. Richard said he feels if we give credit to the owner for the trees and the developer does not agree to relocate them, the trees will be lost anyway. Lambert asked what is being proposed follows set standards and staff is not recommending any type of a compromise. Carpenter said they are currently trying to sell some of the trees, but some trees aren't in very good condition because they have grown so close together. Lynch asked how the tree replacement percentage is figured. Lambert said he does not have the formula, but the higher the percentage that is removed, the more that need to be replaced. Bowman said he has a problem with approving a grading plan when development is not being done at this time. Brauer said that two potential purchasers have already been lost because the soil work was not done. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. July 15, 1991 i -3- Richard asked if there will be any resistance to the plan from the neighborhood. Lambert said that some resistance has already been seen. Bowman asked if there is a chance that the site won' t be buildable. Carpenter said that studies have been done by an engineering firm and the area will be buildable. He added that the main objection to development of the site by the neighbors has been ,. apartment buildings to be located here. They feel that this would bring bad people into their neighborhood. Richard asked if the neighborhood park will be large enough to serve all the people that will be living in this area. Lambert said this park has actually turned into a good sized park. Richard asked about the trail system. Lambert said the developer will be required to construct a sidewalk on the north side of Valley View Road and on the west ( side of the cul-de-sac connecting to the sidewalk on Butterscotch. Lambert said L'hat the main parks, recreation and natural resources issues were tree loss and the trail system. Staff recommends approval. III . MISCELLANEOUS Richard asked about alcohol related problems at Riley Lake. Lambert said that police surveilance of the area has been stepped up and staff will be meeting with the police, park staff, etc. to discuss the problem. IV. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 8: 45 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Y,c�.c von-� Gl�ccJ Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary