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1991
MARCH 4-
MIN- UTES
CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MOiVDAY, MARCH 4, 1991 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL
7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Bruce Bowman, Karon Joyer, Paul Karpinko, David
Kuechenmeister, Diane Popovich Lynch, Pat Richard,
Del Vanderploeg
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources
I. ROLL CALL
II. INTRODUCTION OF NEW MEMBERS AND PLECTION OF COMMISSIQN
CHAIRPERSON AND VICE CHAIRPERSON
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 4. 1991
IV. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
C A. Petition for Skating Rink at Franlo Park
B. R?quest for Variance to 10 Horsepower Limit on MitchellLake
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Welters's Purgatory Creek 6th Addition
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. Playground Bids for Rustic Hills Park. Carmel Park and Red Rock Lake Park
B. Recommendation to Hire an Adaptive Recreation Sul&rvisor
VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. Donation of$1000/Year for Five Years by Eden Prairie Rotary Club
VIII.REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
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A. Reports of Director of Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources
1. A Citizens Guide to Lake Protection
f�_... 2. Evaluation of Outdoor Rink Hours and Policies (gon't from 2/4/91)
3. City Goals Addressing Environmental Issues
B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services
1. School Rental Rates for 1991
C. Reports of Community Center Operations Managf
1. Report on Installation of New Starting Platform and Update on
Proposed Community Center Improvements for 1991
D. Reports of Landscape Architect/Park Planner
1. Park and Open Space Mays
2. Community Center Brochure (copy enclosed)
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IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL
A. Manager's lWate February 8. 1991
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B. Council Meeting - February 19. 1991
1. Retition for Bike Trail Along County Road 1 from Bennett Placg t
Spon Ridge
2. Revision to Park Use Ordinance on Household Garbage Being
Deposited in Park Trash Barrels
3. Student Nan-Voting Members on Commission
4. Re4uest from Camp Edenwood Regarding Community Center Fees
5. &Quest to Hire Adautive Recreation Supervisor
6. Report on Community Garden Club
7. Revised Design of Amphitheater Storage Building
X. ADJOURNMENT
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Monday, March 4, 1991 7 :30 p.m. , City Hall
7600 Executive Dr.
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Bruce Bowman, Karon Joyer, Paul
Karpinko, David Kuechenmeister,
Diane Popovich Lynch, Del
Vanderploeg
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Pat Richard
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks,
Recreation and Natural Resources;
Laurie Helling, Manager of
Recreation Services
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7: 30 p.m. by acting
chairperson, Del Vanderploeg.
II. INTRODUCTION OF NEW MEMBERS AND ELECTION OF COMMISSTION
CHAIRPERSON AND VICE CHAIRPERSON
Refer to memo dated February 28 , 1991 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks , Recreation and Natural Resources.
Lambert introduced Bruce Bowman and Diane Popovich Lynch
as new members of the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources
Commission.
MOTION: Kuechenmeister moved to nominate Pat Richard as
Chairperson of the Commission. Joyer seconded the motion
and it passed 5-0 .
MOTION: Karpinko moved to nominate Karon Joyer as Vice
Chairperson of the Commission. Kuechenmeister seconded
the motion and it passed 5-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 4, 1991
MOTION: Joyer moved to approve the minutes as printed.
Kuechenmeister seconded the motion and it passed 5-0.
Lambert referred to the memo dated February 12, 1991 from
Marlys Dahl, Department Secretary, recommending that, in
an effort to both save paper products and our environment,
a copy of the approved minutes will not be distributed
unless there are any changes or corrections.
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IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Petition for Skating Rink at Franlo Park
Refer to memo dated February 27, 1991 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources.
Lambert said that staff received a petition from the
Franlo Park neighborhood requesting a skating rink
and/or hockey rink at Franlo Park. Although this "^
neighborhood is within two miles of Homeward Hills
Park which already has a skating rink, it is difficult
for children to get there from this area. Lambert
introduced Ron Szarzynski who was present at the meeting
on behalf of the neighborhood. `1
Lambert said that Franlo Park is a 20 acre park in
a rectangular shape. It has been developed into a
park serving many athletic needs with irrigated baseball,
softball and soccer fields, tennis courts and a playground
area. Parking space is limited. The addition of a
skating rink will require some grading and moving of
playground equipment. Landscaping will be done to
screen the area from neighboring homes. Skating rink
lighting will be minimal. Lambert added that a warming
house will be added in the future.
Karpinko asked what size the skating rink will be.
Lambert said it will be approximately 1001 x 1001 .
Karpinko asked if there would be a sign saying that
the rink is for skating only and hockey is not allowed.
Lambert said there would probably not be a sign with
this wording unless it becomes a problem, but we might
have to regulate hours that hockey is allowed.
Kuechenmeister asked if the square footage of the rink
was determined by how many people will be using the
rink and can it be expanded. Lambert said this is
the maximum size rink that can be accommodated and
there is no room for expansion without reducing the
playground area.
Szarzynski commented that a divider could be put up
for hockey and skating. He asked if the screening
is being added because of the skating rink. Lambert
said there would have been some screening anyway, but
it has been increased because of the skating rink.
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Vanderploeg asked how high the side walls would be.
Lambert said one side of the rink would basically be
a retaining wall with benches along the side.
Vanderploeg asked if the skating rink will be used
in the summer. Lambert said it can be used for volleyball
or as an open play area.
Bowman asked how much of a problem parking is at Franlo
Park. Lambert said three of the four facilities are
used in an evening with parking allowed along one side
of the street.
Bowman asked if there will be any pressure to increase
parking in the future and use the skating rink area
for parking. Lambert said he feels there will be pressure
to use all the facilities every night which will increase r
the need for additional parking and perhaps this area
could be used for overload parking.
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C Lambert added that the construction of the skating
rink at Franlo Park will be in the 1992 budget request.
Szarzynski thanked Bob Lambert and Stu Fox for their I
assistance with the Franlo Park skating rink and stated
that Stu Fox have been extremely responsive to all
his requests. s
MOTION: Kuechenmeister moved to recommend approval
of the skating rink at Franlo Park per staff
recommendation. Karpinko seconded the motion and it y
passed 5-0.
B. Request for Variance to 10 Horsepower Limit on Mitchell_
Lake
Refer to memo dated February 27 , 1991 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks , Recreation and Natural Resources. ;l
Lambert said that all requests for variances need to
be approved by the Board of Appeals. The Board of
Appeals has requested that the Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources Commission make a recommendation
to them.
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The first two requests were for 20 horsepower motors
on pontoon boats which had been on the lake for several
years. This request is for a 25 horsepower motor on
a pontoon which was purchased in November of 1990.
Staff feels it is important to be consistent with the
approval of the first two variances which were granted
on a hardship basis because the boats were purchased
specifically for use on Mitchell Lake prior to the
passing of the ordinance. At the time these were passed,
the Commission felt that a 20 horsepower motor should
be the maximum size allowed. This boat was purchased
after the ordinance was passed and staff recommends
denial of the request.
Kuechenmeister agreed with Lambert and said that it
is important to remain consistent on this issue.
Joyer also agreed. She added that there should be G
no variances allowed after December of 1995.
C Lambert added that there is no limit on the kind of
boat or the size of motor that can be requested for
a variance.
Karpinko said the fact that the individual purchased
the boat after the ordinance was passed and the previous
requests were granted because the boats were purchased
prior to the ordinance should be the determining factor.
He said that he is concerned with the larger motors
being allowed.
Bowman asked if the previous variances were for a specific
serial number motor. Lambert said yes for both the
boat and motor.
MOTION: Kuechenmeister moved to recommend denial of
the request for a 25 horsepower motor because the boat
was purchased after the ordinance was established and
due to the size of the motor, as existing variances
were for horsepower size of less than 25. Joyer seconded j
the motion and it passed 5-0.
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Welter' s Purgatory Creek 6th Addition
Refer to staff report dated January 25, 1991 and memo
dated February 28, 1991 from Barb Cross, Landscape
Architect.
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Lambert introduced Jim Ostenson, one of the partners
in the development company. Mr. Ostenson introduced
Peter Knable of Krueger and Associates.
Ostenson reported that the site is located north of
Welter 's Way and south of Sunnybrook Road. They are
proposing seven lots on ten acres and the addition
of a cul-de-sac. The development would be very low
density with less than one unit per acre. ;fli
Ostenson said that the floodplain and an outlot were
dedicated to the City during earlier development and
; they will also dedicate another outlot which will serve
as access to the trail system. 297 caliper inches
of trees will be removed and will be replaced per the
City's tree replacement policy. One-third of the loss
is one large basswood tree on the site and they will
attempt to save it.
Deer corridors were established on the site in 1980
C which will be cut off by this development. However,
deer will continue to move through this subdivision
from the creek corridor, through the golf course north
to Anderson Lakes Park.
Ostenson said that the Planning staff would prefer
a thru street rather than a cul-de-sac. A thru steet
would create more run-off and tree loss. The lot located
on the far west end of the site encroaches the scenic
easement. The lot has no trees and is quite a distance
from the creek so it is felt there will be not be a
problem. He added that there is an existing home in
the scenic easement located much closer to the creek.
Lambert said there are two conflicting policies for
the Commission to consider. They are that cul-de-sacs
should not be more than 500 ' because of fire and safety
considerations and this cul-de-sac would be 1500 ' and
that trees should be preserved whenever possible.
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Lambert does not recommend putting a trail between
homes. The other two options are to wait to construct
the trail until the remaining Welter property is developed
or to build a trail through an outlot to the adjoining
City property. This would not be an ideal location
for the trail , as it would require crossing Homeward
Hills Road. Speed of traffic on this road is generally
more than the 30 mph speed limit and the crossing would
also be at the bottom of a hill.
Joyer said she feels that tree preservation takes
precedence over the other issues involved. She agrees
that a trail system needs to be established through
an outlot to City property.
Lambert said he would prefer to rely on the Purgatory
Creek trail in the future rather than constructing
a trail between homes that would parallel the future
creek trail.
Ostenson indicated that the trail would only serve
about 20 homes in this cul-de-sac and that there is
a sidewalk system that will provide them with safe '•
access to the park along existing streets.
Kuechenmeister feels that because this is a low density
development, the cul-de-sac should not cause a safety
problem. He agreed that the trail should be delayed
until development in this area is completed.
Kuechenmeister asked about the status of the DNR protected
wetland. Knable said that the DNR was concerned about
adding additional stormwater run-off into the wetland
area and supported the cul-de-sac. A cul-de-sac would
also disturb only the southern half of the existing
bluff since not as much grading would be involved.
Lynch asked what the homeowners feelings are about
a trail. Lambert said we would just be guessing at
this point, but he expected them to want access to
the park.
MOTION: Joyer moved to recommend approval of Welter 's
Purgatory Acres 6th Addition per staff recommendation
using the cul-de-sac plan and waiting for a trail to
be constructed until there is the ability to make a
connection along the creek. It was noted that the
DNR had less concern with the cul-de-sac plan because
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of tree preservation, stormwater run-off and bluff
preservation. Access to the park system currently
exists and because
not be a pr
of low density
fire
housing,
oblem. Karpinko seconded
and safety should
the motion and it passed 5-0.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. pa round Bids for Rustic Hills Park, Carmel Park
and Red Rock Lake Park - '
Refer to memo dated February 28, 1991 from Barb Cross,
Landscape Architect.
Lambert said that bidders are told to bid on the most
equipment they can supply for a specified amount of
money. The bids are then evaluated. He reviewed the
bids briefly adding that although wood equipment costs
less, the metal equipment lasts much longer.
( Vanderploeg asked if any of the suppliers are new.
\ Lambert said they have not worked with Flannagan Sales
or Bob Klein Associates.
Lynch suggested that staff research suppliers that
manufacture plastic equipment for future use.
MOTION: Karpinko moved to recommend that Bob Klein
and Associates be awarded the bid for Carmel Park at
a cost of $10 ,000; Flannagan Sales be awarded the bid
for Eden Lake School/Park for $10 ,000; Earl F. Anderson
be awarded the bid for Red Rock Lake Park for $10,000
and Flannagan Sales be awarded the bid for Rustic Hills
Park for $3 , 500. Kuechenmeister seconded the motion
and it passed 5-0.
B. Recommendation to Hire an Adaptive Recreation Specialist
Refer to memo dated February 13, 1Natural Resources.
from B ob Lambert, 7
Director of Parks, Recreation and Nat
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This is an information item only.
Last August it was recommended that an Adaptive Recreation
Specialist be hired, but it was eliminated during the
budget process since it was decided to meet these needs
by using existing staff. At this time, Sandy Wer"Ls
e with adaptive
was assigned to work 50% of her tim
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VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. Donation of $1000/Year for Five Years by Eden Prairie
Rotary Club
Refer to memo dated February 27, 1991 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks , Recreation and Natural Resources.
This is an information item only.
The Eden Prairie Rotary Club will donate $1000 per
year for the next five years for the purchase of trees
to be planted in the City nursery or within the park
system. A thank you letter has been sent to the Rotary
Club.
VIII . REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources
1. A Citizens Guide for Lake Protection
Refer to memo dated February 27, 1991 from Bob
Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources.
This is an information item only.
The booklets were distributed to the Parks, Recreation
and Natural Resources Commission, Planning Commission
and City Council.
2. Evaluation of Outdoor Rink Hours and Policies
(cont. from 2/4/91 )
Refer to memo dated February 27, 1991 from Bob
Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources.
This is an information item only.
A review of the use of the facilities was done
because of a complaint that too much time was being
devoted to adult use.
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3. Cite Goals Addressing Environmental Issues
Refer to memo dated February 25 , 1991 from Bob
Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources.
This is an information item only.
Lambert said that the Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources staff decided to address today' s
environmental issues and developed a list of goals `
to achieve this objective.
Joyer encouraged the reduction of paper use by
copying documents two sided, condensing information,
etc.
B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services
1. School Rental Fees for 1991
Refer to memo dated February 28, 1991 from Bob
Lambert, Director of Parks , Recreation and Natural
Resources.
This is an information item only.
C. Reports of Community Center Operations Manager
1. Report on Installation of New Starting Platform
and Update on Proposed Community Center Improvements
for 1991
Refer to memo dated February 27 , 1991 from Dave
Black, Community Center Operations Supervisor.
This is an information item only.
D. Reports of Landscape Architect/Park Planner
1. Park and Open Space Maps
Refer to memo dated February 27 , 1991 from Barb
Cross, Landscape Architect.
This is an information item only.
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Lambert said that the maps are located in the Council
Chambers and in the Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources office. The maps can be updated as needed
since they have a clear plastic overlay.
2. Community Center Brochure (copy enclosed)
Refer to memo dated February 27 , 1991 from Barb
Cross , Landscape Architect.
This is an information item only.
Lambert said this brochure will be included in
the packet for new homeowners and is also available
at City Hall and the Community Center.
IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL
A. Manager 's Update February 8, 1991.
CThis is an information item only.
B. Council Meeting - February 19 , 1991
1. Petition for Bike Trail Along County Road 1 from
Bennett Place to Spoon Ridge_
2. Revision to Park Use Ordinance on Household Garbage
Being Deposited in Park Trash Barrels
3. Student Non-Voting Members on Commission
4. Request from Camp Edenwood Regarding Community
Center Fees
5. Request to Hire Adaptive Recreation Specialist
6. Report on Community Garden Club
7 . Revised Design of Amphitheater Storage Building
The above items were approved at the last City
Council Meeting. This is an information item only.
X. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Joyer moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:40 p.m.
Kuechenmeister seconded the motion and it passed 5-0.
Respectfully submitted,
Lois Boettcher
Recording Secretary