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CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, OCTOBER 15, 1990 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL
7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Raiford Baker, chairperson; Karon Joyer,
Paul Karpinko, David Kuechenmeister, Pat
Richard, Del Vanderploeg
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks,
Recreation and Natural Resources
7:30 I. ROLL CALL t'
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF AUGUST 20 & SEPTEMBER 17, 1990
7:35 IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
1. Reauest from Michael Photography Re• Photo
Display in Eden Prairie Community Center
r 2. Figure Skating/Open Patch Proposal
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.,9
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VI. OLD BUSINESS
None
7:45 VII. NEW BUSINESS
1. Recommendation on Revised Pool Use Schedule Park
8:00 VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Director of Parks Recreation &
Natural Resources
1. Eurasian watermilfoil Managemgnt_ Program
B. Reports of Landscape Architect/Park Planner
1. Minnesota River Valley Overview
C. Reports of Manager of Recreation-Services
( 1. Octoberfest Report
2. Season Ending Reports
a. Senior Golf Classic
Agenda
PRNRC - Monday, October 15, 1990
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b. Women's Volleyball - 1990
C. Soar with Eagle Football Clinic - 1990
d. Co-Rec Broomball - 19ffi9-90
e. Table Tennis: Winter 1990 League
f. 1990 Winter Walleyball
g. Racguetball: winter 1990
h. Doubles Boccie League - 1990
D. Reports of Community Center Operations Manager
1. Re-guest for Pro Shop Vending
8:15 TX. ADJOURNMENT
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APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Monday, October 15, 1990 7:30 p.m. , City Hall
7600 Executive Drive
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Bud Baker, chairperson; Paul
Karpinko, David Kuechenmeister,
Pat Richard, Del Vanderploeg
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Karon Joyer
COMMISSION STAFF: Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation
Services
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by chairperson,
Bud Baker.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Karpinko moved to approve the agenda as printed.
Va�erploeg seconded the motion and it passed 4-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF AUGUST 20 & SEPTEMBER 17, 1990
MOTION: Karpinko moved to approve the minutes of August 20
as printed. Kuechenmeister seconded the motion and it passed
3-0. Richard and Vanderploeg abstained.
MOTION: Richard moved to approve the minutes of September 17
as printed. Vanderploeg seconded the motion and it passed
4-0.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Request from Michael 's Photography Re: Photo Display
in den Prairie ommunity Center
Refer to memo dated October 10, 1990 from Laurie Helling,
Manager of Recreation Services.
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Laurie introduced Michael Maschogianis who has approached
the City regarding a proposal to display wall portraits
at the Eden Prairie Community Center. The portraits
would be located on the open wall space on the upper
lobby floor structure wall . These would be individual
portraits representing the 12 athletic associations. The
other fuur could be Community Center or parks and
( recreation portraits. All portraits would be Eden j
Prairie residents and taken in Michael 's studio with his
signature appearing in the lower right corner of the
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portrait. Each portrait would have a brass plate with
black engraving identifying the athletic association.
In addition, Michael would be assuming all risks of
vandalism or theft.
Helling said that staff has identified three areas of
discussion regarding these portraits: white vs. black
portrait background, active vs. passive portraits and
Community Center vs. park and recreation portraits.
Staff does. recommend approval of the proposal for a term
of one year and feels these portraits would add to the
decor at the Community Center. Staff also sees this as
an opportunity to support and promote the youth athletic
associations within our community.
Michael showed two examples of the type of portrait he
is interested in doing. He asked that the commission
keep in mind that the portraits would be larger than
the examples to better fit the open space. He added
that he currently works with the following groups in
Eden Prairie: softball , hockey, figure skating, football
and basketball .
Richard said he likes the portraits and how they are
placed on canvas, but he would prefer an action shot of
the athlete. Helling said that Michael is interested
in doing portraits. Michael said that perhaps the
commission is more interested in a poster type of
photo.
Vanderploeg cited the example of Flagship Athletic Club
which has action shots of the various activities at the
club, including aerobics and weightlifting. He said
perhaps there could be a combination of passive and
active shots. Michael said he feels the two styles
should not be mixed.
Karpinko suggested team photos using the portrait
concept. Michael said that this would be difficult
to do in a studio.
Baker asked how the subjects for the portraits would
be chosen. Michael said that after discuszions with
staff, it was felt that the president of each association
could choose the subject.
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Baker suggested that the portrait idea be tried for one
year as it is offered with the subjects to be chosen by
the association president. Further discussion followed.
Michael asked the commission that if they were interested
in action shots, would they prefer that they be taken at
an actual game or set up. Both Richard and Karpinko felt
that some could be actual action shots and others would
have to be set up.
Michael said that he does not consider himself a sports
photographer and would not be interested in doing this
type of photography.
MOTION: Karpinko moved to table a decision on this
issue until the next meeting. Kuechenmeister seconded
the motion and it passed 4-0.
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Vanderploeg asked Michael if he would have a problem
sharing space with another person who does action
C shots. Michael said no.
B. Figure Skating/Open Patch Proposal
Refer to memo dated October 9, 1990 from Dave Black,
Operations Supervisor.
Black was approached by both the skating program
coordinator and Eden Prairie Figure Skating Club
regarding their needs. He surveyed ten local arenas.
Nine of the ten provide an open patch and freestyle
program to enhance the figure skating program.
The fees for the program vary and, in addition, all
nine of the arenas surveyed allow community based
instructors to conduct private lessons during this
time.
Staff recommends that the Community Center provide
patch and freestyle ice time one morning per week on
a trial basis providing two different sessions to fit
the varying school start times. He suggests a $4.00
per skater fee for the ice time.
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Baker felt that the fee should stay at $2.00 which is
the current fee charged for open ice time.
The commission discussed the possibility of allowing
private lessons to be given during the open patch and
freestyle ice time.
Helling said that the City's policy has been not to
allow use of City facilities for personal profit. Baker
said that he feels that the City should set a fee only
for the ice time and that the fee for lessons should be
negotiated between the student and the instructor.
Black added that he would like to pursue this type of
program for hockey also. Baker agreed.
The commission discussed the disadvantages of allowing
only Eden Prairie instructors to give lessons.
Vanderploeg asked what is the best way to make money
from the extra ice time. Black said this program should
be offered during the school year.
MOTION: Karpinko moved to recommend that the Community
Center provide open patch and freestyle ice time for
two sessions on Monday mornings for a fee of $4.00
per skater utilizing instructors which have been
approved by the City with priority given to instructors
living in Eden Prairie. In addition, the Community
Center will add one additional morning for
hockey skating development. This will be offered only
to Eden Prairie residents or Community Center members.
Kuechenmeister seconded the motion and it passed 4-0.
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
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VI. OLD BUSINESS
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VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. Recommendation on Revised Pool Use Schedule
Helling introduced Julia McFadden, Aquatics Supervisor,
who is requesting a change in the afternoon and evening
Community Center swimming pool schedule. This schedule
would affect the Foxjets, swimming lessons and lap
swimming. McFadden reviewed the proposal which was r
included in the packets.
Tad Hauck, Head Coach of the Foxjets, said that the
club is in favor of the proposal with the exception of
the Monday and Wednesday schedule which would reduce the
available pool space from six lanes to five. He said
that this amount of space cannot handle the 122 swimmers
who are scheduled at this time. The main concern is
the safety of the swimmers, as many of them are young
and inexperienced.
The commission discussed at length the various
options available in order to accomodate swimming
lessons, lap swimming and the Foxjets.
Vanderploeg asked what is the realistic number of
swimmers in the Foxjets that would be using the pool
during this time period. Hauck said there are normally
about 90 swimmers with eight per lane.
The commission had a discussion on the importance of
accomodating public open swim vs. the Foxjets.
MOTION: Richard moved to recommend that the Foxjets
be given one extra lane at the Community Center pool
from 6:00-7:30 p.m. with this time taken from lap
swimming and, in addition, that they be given four lanes
(25 yards) from 7:30-8: 30 p.m. This schedule
will be reevaluated after the winter season.
Karpinko seconded the motion and it passed 4-0.
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VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources
1. Eurasian Watermilfoil Management Program
Refer to memo dated September 26, 1990 from Bob
Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources.
This is an information item only.
B. Reports of Landscape Architect/Park Planner
1. Minnesota River Valley Overview i
Refer to memo dated September 28, 1990 from Barb
Cross, Landscape Architect.
C This item was tabled for discussion until the next
meeting.
C. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services
1. Octoberfest Report
This is an information item only.
Helling said although this was the first year for
the event, it was very successful . Staff plans
for Octoberfest to be an annual event. Cost to
the City was approximately $1000.
2. Season Ending Reports
a. Senior Golf Classic
b. omens o e a - 1990
C. Soar With a es FootYa7T Clinic - 1990
d. Co- ec Broomball - 1989- 0
e. Table Tennis: Winter 1990 League
f. 1990 i nter a �a _
g. Rac uet a inter 1990
h. Doubles Bocce League - 1990
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D. Reports of Community Center Operations Supervisor
1. Request for Pro Shop Vending
Refer to memo dated September 25, 1990 from Dave Black,
Community Center Operations Supervisor.
Dave Black said that the only items available to
purchase at the Community Center at the present time
are racquetballs and mouthguards. A proposal was
made to the City by Pro Shop Vending to install a
20-24 slot vending machine with a wide selection of
items. Black added that they are the only
vendors in the Twin Cities area offering this service.
MOTION: Kuechenmeister moved to recommend approval
the proposal by Pro Shop Vending to install a a
vending machine at the Community Center. The
contract will include a return policy and a statement
regarding the refilling of the machine on a regular
Cbasis and will be reevaluated in one year. Richard
seconded the motion and it passed 4-0.
IX. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Richard moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:50 p.m.
Kuec enmeister seconded the motion and it passed 4-0.
Respectfully submitted,
Lois Boettcher
Recording Secretary
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