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PRAI'OCITY OF ED
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( AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, OCTOBER A, 1989 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson; Raiford
Baker, Moe Cook, Karon Joyer, Paul
Karpinko, Brian Mikkelson, Pat Richard
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks,
Recreation & Natural Resources
7 :3 0 1. ROLL CALI.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
7:35 III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 18, 1989
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS & COMMUNICATIONS
7:40 1. Reauest from Eden Prairie Foxiets
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
/ 7: 50 A. Sandy Pointe
8:00 B. Tech 10
VI. OLD BUSINESS
None
VII. NEW BUSINESS
None
VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural Resources
8: 10 A. Trail Connection at Larkspur Lane
8:20 B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Serycies
1. Season Ending Reports
a. Men's Volleyball 1988-89
b. CO-Rec Broomball Winter 1989
C. Winter Walleyball 1989
d. Spring Walleyball 1989
e. Spalding Invitational Softball Tournament
f. Smacauetball Winter 1989
g. Table Tennis Winter 1989
r h. Men's Boot Hockey 1989
\ i. Senior Men's Hockey 1989
j . Men's 1125 & Over" Hockey Winter 1989
k. Men's 1125 & Over" Hockey Spring 1989
1. Senior Men's Hockey Spring 1989
M. Men's Broomball 1989
n. Men's 5-Man Basketball 1988-89
8:25 IX. REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS
1. September 19, 1989 Council Meeting
2. City Manager's Update September 22 1989
8:30 X. ADJOURNMENT
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Monday, October 2, 1989 City Hall
7:30 p.m.
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson;
Bud Baker (late) , Moe Cook,
Karon Joyer, Paul Karpinko,
Pat Richard (late)
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Brian Mikkelson
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of
Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources; Lori Helling,
Recreation Manager
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7 :30 p.m, by chairperson,
Pat Breitenstein.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Joyer moved to approve the agenda as printed.
Karpinko seconded the motion and it passed 4-0.
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MOTION: Cook moved to approve the minutes as printed.
Karpinko seconded the motion and it passed 3-0. Joyer
abstained.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Request from Eden Prairie Foxjets
Refer to memo dated September 28, 1989 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources
and letter dated September 19, 1989 from the Eden Prairie
Foxjet Swim Club.
Lambert said that a letter was received from the Foxjets
requesting extending their rental period for an extra
one-half hour from 7: 30 to 8 :00 p.m. The additional
time was taken away from them in 1987 when the Eden
Prairie Girl ' s High School Swim Team requested extra
time. At this time, the Foxjets have over 120 children
in their program.
Lambert reviewed the priority use of time as established
by the City Council . If additional time were given
to the Foxjets, this would take time away from open
swimming. Other than for one time events, the policy
on maintaining open swimming and open skating periods f
has not been changed since the Center opened.
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N.Lambert said he understands the position of the Foxjets,
but he does not believe in cutting into open swim time.
The average number of people during open swimming is
32 per evening during the week. Giving extra time
for use of three lanes at 25 meters to the Foxjets
would take away the availability of the diving well
from swimmers.
Bernie Weber, President of the Foxjets, and Tad Hauck,
Head Coach, were present at the meeting.
Weber said that the club began with 30 swimmers two
years ago. At that time, they also incurred a $7000
debt for pool rental. Last year, the club placed second
at the state level and this year they have 53 new swimmers _
over the 60 they had one year ago. Their debt is almost
clear and they are requesting an additional three lanes
only thru November 17 .
Cook asked if most of the members of the club live
in Eden Prairie. Hauck estimated that 80 to 90% of
the members live in Eden Prairie.
Richard commented that he is impressed with the quality
of coaching for the club. He feels that it would be
necessary to close the diving board if the club were
swimming in front of it. However, he suggested using
an additional one or two lanes and swimming yards instead
of meters.
Lambert said he feels that this would make sense but
questioned how long it would take to change from meters.
Hauck said it takes about 7-8 minutes to change markers
so this would not be a problem.
Lambert added that if five lanes and the diving board
were available for open swimming, there should not
be a problem with keeping the open swimming period
in tack.
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Hauck said that this arrangement would be acceptable
to the club.
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MOTION: Richard moved to recommend allowing the Foxjets
Swim Club use of the three lanes closest to the seating
area from 7:30 to 8 :00 p.m. weekdays until November
17 , 1989. Joyer seconded the motion and it passed
4-0.
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V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Sandy Pointe
Refer to memo dated September 29 , 1989 from Barb Cross,
Landscape Architect and staff report dated September
22, 1989.
Bob Smith of Krueger & Associates was present at the
meeting to review the proposal. Smith introduced Jim io
Zachman of Sandy Pointe Partnership.
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The site is located south of Red Rock Lake, east and
west of Corral Lane. The proposed development is for
13 lots on 11.2 acres. Several neighbors have expressed
concern about the development. They feel that Corral
Lane should end in a cul-de-sac and the developer is
reducing the number of lots by one because of their
concern for a better transition. City staff has suggested
a sidewalk on the west side of Sandy Pointe and a trail
connecting to Corral Lane. 21 caliper inches of trees
will be replaced. i
Cross reported that all lots meet the shoreland management
ordinance. Total tree loss is 16.5% and they will
replaced per the tree replacement ordinance. A sidewalk
will be constructed on the west side of Sandy Pointe
Road and staff is also recommending a trail connection
in the right-of-way to reach the outlot and proceed '
to Co. Rd. 4. She said it is her understanding that j
the two developments will share a common association.
Smith added that the two developments in this area
will be independent associations.
Zachman commented that at the present time, the residents
have use of the entire beach and, hopefully, this will
continue.
Cross added that the original homeowner's association
had proposed that the City purchase the parkland and
lakeshore all the way to the City park in Boulder Pointe.
Richard asked why the City wasn 't interested. Lambert
said it would have been too expensive to acquire this
land.
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Cook asked if an easement will be necessary on the
south end of Sandy Pointe for an asphalt trail. Cross
said that it is currently platted as a right-of-way
so this will not be a problem.
Lambert indicated that the connection to Corral Lane
should be a 5 ' sidewalk rather than 8 ' asphalt.
Cook asked if anything needs to be included in the
recommendation about the two homeowners associations.
Cross said the City has no control whatsoever over
this.
MOTION: Cook moved to recommend approval of Sandy Pointe
per staff recommendation. Richard seconded the motion
and it passed 4-0.
B. Tech 10
Refer to memo dated September 29 , 1989 from Barb Cross,
Landscape Architect and staff report dated September
8, 1989.
Bob Smith of Krueger & Associates reviewed the proposed
development. The site is located west of Golden Triangle
Drive north of 74th St. The developer is proposing
a 74 ,000 sq. ft. office/warehouse on 5.6 acres. The
entire west side of the site will remain in its natural
state. 22% of the existing trees will be removed and
the developer will replace 268 caliper inches in Tech
10 and 545 caliper inches in Tech 9. There is an 8 '
bituminous trail along the entire length of Golden
Triangle Drive.
Cross said that the grading on this site will be quite
severe as indicated with the 70 ' grade change because
of a hill. At one point on the site, there will be
a 50 ' cut and 10' of fill. Cross added that she shows
a 41. 5% tree loss.
Smith said that his numbers were calculated using not
only Tech 9 and 10 , but with the entire site considered
as one development. He added that the eastern portion
of Golden Triangle Drive was originally a gravel pit.
Cross said that the developer has done all that is
possible to preserve trees. The Planning Commission
has approved this development. She added that there
is an opening along the existing trail.
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Smith said that this opening in the trail will be
completed with this project.
Cross added that the City would like the floodplain
to be dedicated to the City sometime in the future
to use for a trail connection. Smith said this area
will definitely be dedicated to the City. There are
approximately 20 acres of floodplain on this site.
Because of the configuration of the site some filling
has to be done within the floodplain. This will require
the approval of the Watershed District, U.S. Army Corps
of Engineers and the DNR. Following these approvals,
this land will be dedicated to the City.
Cook asked if it is usual practice to accept the tree
replacement policy with the total PUD. Cross said
it usually does not happen this way.
Lambert added that when Tech 7 was approved, a significant
amount of open space was dedicated to the City. Smith j
said that 4+ acres was dedicated at that time. Lambert
said he feels that it should be redefined that the
entire area at the original Tech 7 building will be
dedicated to the City as permanent open space. Smith
said he believes this has already been dedicated.
Lambert said that staff discussed the type of tree
credits that should be given. Hoyt committed to
preservation of the hill before the tree replacement
policy was in effect. Lambert said he feels it would
be unfair not to give credit for this development.
Smith added that the land which was dedicated to the
City was worth in excess of $1 million which is much
more than the value of the trees.
Cook asked if the City has documentation for committment
of dedication of the floodplain. Cross said it is
in the public record of the PUD approval hearing.
Cook asked if there would be a link in the trail at
this time. Lambert said no.
Smith added that the tennants in Tech 10 have already
signed a 20 year lease.
MOTION: Richard moved to recommend approval of Tech
10 per staff recommendation. Baker seconded the motion
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VI. OLD BUSINESS
None
VII. NEW BUSINESS
None
VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural Resources
1. Trail Connection at Larkspur Lane
Refer to memo dated September 27, 1989 from Stu
Fox, Manager of Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources.
Lambert said that this would connect the bituminous
trail on Outlot B, Meadow Park with the 8 ' wide
bituminous trail on the west side of Neill Lake.
There is about a 450 ' gap in the trail at this
point and the Preserve Homeowner' s Association
told the City it would be required to get approval
of 75% of all members in the association in order
to grant this easement if there were no objections.
One resident objected to the trail connection and
the association did not want to expend the time
and money necessary to take a vote. The City has
been mowing the land in between the trails. Staff
is recommending that this issue be turned over
to the City attorney to begin condemnation
proceedings.
MOTION: Joyer moved to recommend that the issue
of a trail connection at Larkspur Lane be referred
to the City attorney to begin condemnation
proceedings. Karpinko seconded the motion and
it passed 5-0.
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B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services
1. Season Ending Reports
a. Men' s Volleyball 1988-89
b. Co-Rec Broomball Winter 1989
C. Winter Walleyball 1989
d. Spring Walleyball 19$9
e. Spalding Invitational Softball Tournament
f. Smacauetball Winter 1989
g. Table Tennis Winter 1989
h. Men' s Boot Hockey 1989
i. Senior Men' s Hockey 1989
j . Men' s 1125 & Over" Hockey Winter 1989
k. Men' s 1125 & Over" Hockey Spring 1989
1. Senior Men' s Hockey Spring 1989
M. Men' s Broomball 1989
n. Men' s 5-Man Basketball 1988-89
These are information items only.
Breitenstein asked what is smacquetball. Helling
said it is a cross between racquetball and
handball.
IX. REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING
A. September 19 , 1989 Council_ Meeting
Lambert said that the City Council had the first reading
of the new snowmobile ordinance. The second reading
will be at tomorrow night ' s meeting.
B. City Manager ' s Update - September _22, 1989
This is an information item only.
X. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Joyer moved to adjourn the meeting at 8:30 p.m.
Cook seconded the motion and it passed 5-0.
RelspectfulRly, submitted,
( Lois Boettcher
Recording Secretary
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