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Parks and Recreation - 11/07/1988 1988 5 w . NOVEMBER 7 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE i AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 1988 7:30 P. M. CITY HALL 7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson ; Raiford Baker, Moe Cook , Karon Joyer , Brian Mikkelson, Pat Richard, Charles Shaw COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources 7 :30 i. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - OCTOBER 17, 1988 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS 7:35 A. Timber Bluffs 7:55 B. MTS Systems Corporation Addition 8:10 C. Elim Shores VI. OLD BUSINESS VII. NEW BUSINESS 8:20 A. Met Airports Commission Plan for Flying Cloud Airport 8:50 B. Tax Forfeited Lands VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources 8:55 Naming of Park on Red Rock Lake B. Reports of Environmental Services Manager 9:05 Update on Larkspur Trail Connection C. Reports of Recreation Supervisors 9:10 Update on Data Relating to Students with Disabilities IX. REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF NOVEMBER 2, 1988 9:15 City Manager's Update - October 21, 1988 9:20 X. ADJOURNMENT ,; APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, November 7 , 1988 7:30 p.m. , City Hall 7600 Executive Drive COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson; Bud Baker, Moe Cook, Karon .Toyer, Brian Mikkelson, Pat Richard, Charles Shaw COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by chairperson, Pat Breitenstein. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Richard moved to approve the agenda as printed. Mikkelson seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - OCTOBER 17 , 1988 MOTION: Shaw moved to approve the minutes as printed. Baker seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. Cook abstained. r IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Timber Bluffs Refer to staff report dated October 21 , 1988. Mike Gair was present at the meeting to review Timber Bluffs which is located directly south of Bell Oaks. Gair showed a map which was a scale of 1 inch equals 100 feet. The map which depicted physical features of site had an uncolored area which was land with a 3% or less slope. A purple area indicated 1 .3 acres of pond. On the entire site, there is as much as 100+ feet change in elevation. Gair added that it is possible there are Indian burial grounds located along Riverview Road and in the central portion of the site although it appears as though all potential burial sites have been disturbed. There are 7.88 acres of woodland and a tree inventory has been completed. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Nov. 7, 1988 Thp developers, Brown Land Co. , along with Tony Phillippi, determined that the natural attributes of the site be considered before actual home sites were decided upon. There were 14 home sites identified on the site with a total plat of 44.5 acres . 18. 8 acres or Outlot B will be held by the landowner;a for future use. Gair also reviewed the grading which will be necessary. Lambert said it is very important to acquire land along the Minnesota River for bluff protection. He commended the developer for preserving the bluffs. This plan also does a good job of preserving trees. Regarding dedication and trails, Lambert recommended the dedication of a 150 foot wide strip and would like a date as to when to expect it. Two major reasons for acquiring this strip of land is the trail connection from Rurqatory Creek west to the Minnesota River Valley Refuge and Recreation• Area and to preserve the valley in its natural condition. Lambert is concerned with the drainage system and what effect it will have on the pond at the base of the hill . Gair said the developer has completely bypassed the pond by extending the pipeline further to the south. This issue has been revised on the latest plans which were submitted. �. Baker asked for a review of the private boat launch and marina. Lambert said this was only a possibility of something that could happen in the future and was not suggested by the developer. Cook asked for a review of the Indian mounds. Gair said there is no visible sign of them and it is possible that they have already been destroyed. Lambert added that if there ane any Indian mounds, they are located outside of the proposed building pads. Cook said that since the river frontage is so important, how would the developer feel about trading cash park fees for 220 feet of land instead of 150 feet. Brown said they do not want to do this since they have plans to keep the area for horses at this time. Brown said the developer would pay the cash park fees and donate a 150 ' wide strip of land along the river in the future. Cook asked when the 150 ' strip of land would be deeded to the City. Brown said they want to take advantage of any tax benefits, but that it will definitely take place within the next couple of years. fie indicated that they would provide the City with an "iron clad" letter committing to giving this land by a certain date. Shaw asked if this deed would include an agreement not to use this 150 ' of land during this time. Brown said yes. Lambert indicated the 150 ' wide strip of land should be platted as an outlot at this time. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Nov., 7, 1988 r Richard said that he feels it will be difficult to acquire additional land in the future. Lambert said he feels that this agreement will work for the City at this point and will be sufficient to provide a river trail and preserve the river frontage. Richard asked if there should be any restrictions by the City on what can be done in the floodplain. Lambert said that the normal restrictions will be enforced. MOTION: Cook moved to recommend approval of Timber Bluffs per staff recommendation and the acceptance of the gift of 150 feet of shoreline. Shaw seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. B. MTS Systems Corporation Addition Refer to staff report dated November 10, 1988. Lambert said that a portion of the Purgatory Creek floodplain is located on the site. MTS plans to gift the City all of the floodplain and possibly the pond located on .the site at some time in the future when they donate floodplain toward the Purgatory Creek Recreation Area. MOTION: Baker moved to recommend approval of the MTS r. addition per staff recommendation. Shaw seconded the �._ motion. On call for discussion, Cook asked if there are cash park fees involved. Lambert said no. Cash park fees are involved only in replatting, not rezoning. C. Elim Shores Refer to staff report dated November 10, 1988. George Watson was present at the meeting to review the proposed development which is located west of County Road 4 and east of Mitchell Lake. Elim Shores is a non-profit organization managed by the Evangelical Free Church. The proposal is for a 64 unit senior housing development. Watson said there is significant vegetation on the site. There will be a 150 foot setback on the lake side of the building. The developer is asking for variances in height and setback. 463 .8 caliper inches of trees will be replaced. The Watershed District has approved the development. Lambert said that grading and tree removal on the site is not significant. The height of the building is of concern, but not as much as if it were on the west or south shore of the lake. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Nov. 7, 1988 -4- Lambert asked what the setback is for the said it is 87 feet. gazebo. Watson Lambert asked if this will be subsidized housing. Watson. said it will be subsidized by the Evangelical Free Church. Lambert asked if the* construction of the building is on a contingency basis. Watson said it is contingent upon receiving financing. Lambert asked who can rent this housing. Watson said there is a certain age required, but it is not necessary to be a member of the church. Richard suggested that perhaps the proposed sidewalk along County Road 4 should be a bike path instead because of future development of Miller Park. Lambert felt this was a good point and should be recommended. ' Lambert asked if there is a dock proposed on the site. } Watson said no. Cook asked how the parking lot will be screened. Watson said there will be a retaining wall and heavy plantings j will be added. MOTION: Richard moved to recommend approval of Elim Shores per staff recommendation but changing the sidewalk to an 8 ' bike path. Mikkelson�seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Met Airports Commission Plan for Flying Cloud Airport Refer to memo dated November 2, 1988 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. i Mark Ryan, Airport Planner for the Metropolitan Airports Commission was present at the meeting along with Greg Schmidt and Greg Ahlberg. 1 Ryan said the airport master plan has been updated. This plan should be updated every five ) reviews airport need, airport role and airport location. Project implementation includes an EIS (environmental j impact statement) , design review and construction. The . _ APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Nov. 7, 1988 I master plan involves taking an inventory from which a forecast is done. Facility requirements are determined, alternatives are developed and analyzed. A recommended preferred development alternative is chosen. This is the point that MAC is now with Flying Cloud Airport. Public information meetings were held two weeks ago and there will be a public hearing on December 7. Ryan showed a graph with an operations forecast, both historical and forecast and a summary of unconstrained forecast activity. The building area alternatives include expanding the runway to 5000 feet, expanding the runway to 4500 feet and no build. Alternative A would meet facility requirements at a cost of $3. 9 million. Alternative B would partially meet requirements at a cost of $3.2 million. Alternative C which would be adequate at this time would only widen the runway at a cost of $.3 million. MAC recommends Alternative A. There would be an increase in noise with this alternative, but it would not be great according to Mr. Ryan. Lambert introduced Jean Johnson who represents the City to the Metropolitan Airports Commission. Johnson said the extension of the runway to 5000 feet would remove acreage which could be used for residential or park areas in the future and would prohibit residential development. The airport is also adjacent to the landfill and wildlife refuge. Although flight patterns would be directed further out of residential areas, the longer runway would attract more jet aircraft. Johnson added that a 3500 foot runway serves the current need. The Flying Cloud Advisory Committee voted 3-2 to concur with the Planning Staff report. Steve Yerkes of 16575 Hilltop Road said he is very concerned that a 5000 foot runway will attract more jet traffic and there will be much more noise. He asked how noise levels are measured. Holman said that they were prepared to measure the noise level, but on that particular day there was not enough jet traffic to get an accurate measurement. He added that he feels the field should be utilized. Art Weeks of 14469 Village Woods Dr. asked what the term "operations" refers to. Holman said this refers to both take-offs and landings. Weeks asked how projections are formulated. Ryan said forecasts are prepared and based on current usage and probable increase in the future, the projections are determined. 1 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Nov. 7, 1988 -6- Lambert asked if the chart was created showing "spike" areas when an aircraft is taking off, as jet aircraft aria known to produce more than 80 decibels of noise at take-off. Ryan gave the example of a Lear 35 which has a noise level of 99 decibels at its highest level. He also indicated that one of the jets would have a noise level of 113 decibels at Spring Road. This compares to 110 decibels inside the Metrodome when the Twins won the World Series. Lambert asked who determines that these are acceptable 1 levels and also if there is a requirement that all aircraft remain in the traffic pattern. Ryan said there is no requirement. Lambert asked if there is a plan to screen the buildings and hangars located along County Road 1 . Ryan said nn Cal Eckstead of Westridge Dr. referred to the MAC ordinance limiting weight of aircraft to 20,000 pounds . Bill Donnelly of Cedar Forest Road said he does not feel that the resid(::,ts should suffer because corporate people a do not want to travel all the way to Holman Field. j Lambert said there are environmental concerns relating to the noise, both at Staring Lake Park and Homeward Hills Parks and any future parkland development to the west of the runway. The expansion of the runway would also effect Flying Cloud Ballfields, as well as impact any golf course that would be built in the futura ••The hangar expansion would also interfere with views of• the bluff from the wildlife area. Cook asked if Flying Cloud Airport is used mainly for business or recreational travel. Ryan said 60-65% of the business is local and it is difficult to distinguish which are recreational flights. Cook asked if touch and go landings take as long as regular landings. Ryan said no. Cook asked if this plan were approved, when would construction begin. Ryan said an EIS is done first, then a design has to be completed and funding established. It would probably be 1992 before construction would begin. MOTION: Baker moved to recommend Alternative C "no build" at Flying Cloud Airport as per the staff report for all of the reasons listed in that report. Cook seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. r „ APPROVED MINUTES j ' EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Nov. 7, 1988 -7- B. Tax Forfeited Lands Refer to memo dated November 3, 1988 from Stu Fox, Environmental Services Manager. Lambert said the City has no need to acquire Parcel 1 . Parcel 2 is adjacent to Round Lake Park and was .to be deeded to the City for access to Round Lake. MOTION: Richard moved to support the City in' acquiring' Parcel 2. Mikkelson seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. VIII . REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Director of Parks , Recreation & Natural Resources 1 . Naming of Park on Red Rock Lake Refer to memo dated November 3, 1988 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. MOTION: Shaw moved to recommend that the' park on the lake named Red Rock Lake Parkpand that the present Red Rock Park be renamed by the residents. Cook seconded the motion. COn call for discussion Baker asked if sug gestions should be given to the residents oz if it should be left up to themjand what would be the criteria for judging a winner. It was agreed that it should be left up to the residents to come up with names. The Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission will pick three finalists and the City Council will pick the final name. The motion passed 6-0. B. Reports of Environmental Services Manager 1 . Update on Larkspur Trail Connection This is an information item only. C. Reports of Recreation Supervisors 1 . Update on Data Relating to Students with Disabilities This is an information item only. { f APPROVED MINUTES i EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Nov. 7, 1988 IX. REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF NOVEMBER 2, 1988 The Council approved going out for bids on an irrigation well for Franlo Park. They also authorized to staff to make a $77 , 000 offer for the Janikula property based on the appraisal. A surface use ordinance with a 10 horsepower limit for both Red Rock Lake and Mitchell Lake was approved. The request by the Hockey Association to use pull tabs to raise money was denied; however they did support a second sheet of ice. A. City Manager 's Update - October 21 , 1988 This is an information item only. X. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Baker moved to adjourn the meeting at 9: 55 p.m. Joyer seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. Respectfully submitted, Lois Boettcher CRecording Secretary