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CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
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Cl AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, OCTOBER 3, 1988 7:30 P. M. CITY HALL
7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson ; Raiford
Baker, Moe Cook , Karon Joyer , Brian
Mikkelson, Pat Richard, Charles Shaw
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Parks, Recreation & Natural
Resources
7:30 1. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
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7 :35 III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - SPEC MEETING WITH PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING OF MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 1988
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS & COMMUNICATIONS
7:40 A. Introduce Rod MacRae, Outdoor Center Coordinator
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7:50 B. Petition to Delete a Portion of Bikeway Improvement to
Duck Lake Trail
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
8:00 A. Bluestein 5th Addition
8:15 B. Wyndham Nob 2nd Addition
VI. OLD BUSINESS
8:20 A. Red Rock Lake Surface Management Ordinance
9:10 B. Review Bids for Community Center Tile Project
VII. NEW BUSINESS
9:25 VIII. REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 6, 1988
9:30 IX. ADJOURNMENT
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'APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Monday, October 3, 1988 7:30 p.m. , City Hall
7600 Executive Drive
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson;
Bud Baker (late) , Moe Cook,
Karon Joyer, Pat Richard (late) ,
Charles Shaw
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Brian Mikkelson
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks,
Recreation and Natural Resources,
Barb Cross, Landscape Architect
I . ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by chairperson,
Pat Breitenstein.
II . APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Shaw moved to approve the agenda as printed. Joyer
seconded the inotion and it passed 9-0.
III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES - S'PECIAL MEETING WITH PLANNING COMMISSION
& REGULAR MEETING OF MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 1988
MOTION: Cook moved to approve the minutes as printed. Joyer
seconded the motion and it passed 4-u.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS & COMMUNICATIONS
A. Introduce Rod MacRae. Outdoor Center Coordinator.
Refer to memo dated September 28, 1988 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources.
Lambert introduced Rod MacRae who has been hired part-time
to develop programs for the Outdoor Center. Mr. MacRae 's
background is extensive including teaching outdoor recreation
and camping. He most recently owned a bicycle touring shop
business.
Mr. MacRae reviewed the master curriculum plan and said he `
hopes to complete a master plan for the next couple of years
in the near future. He also hopes that the Outdoor Center
will become a small level college of outdoor education. j
MacRae 's ideas for classes were included in the packets. l
Levels of the program would include adventure trips, explorer
trips, seminars and workshops.
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Shaw asked about programs for the handicapped. MacRae
said he thinks there is a great opportunity to do this.
He will be sending out a general mailer soon.
Cook asked if this program will be confined to Eden Prairie
residents. MacRae said that although Eden Prairie will be
the prime service area, he sees a much broader market.
Cook asked if the Outdoor Center will be self supporting.
MacRae said yes and that hopefully it will be making a profit.
Baker asked what the phone number is at the Outdoor Center.
MacRae said the number is 941 -8336.
B. Petition to Delete a Portion of Bikeway Improvement to
Duck Lake Trail
Refer to memo dated September 29, 1988 from Barb Cross,
Landscape Architect.
Barb said the City plans to complete the hikeway/bikeway
trail from Duck Lake Trail to Dell Road. There is a 4 'wide
section of concrete from Duck Lake Road to Barberry Lane.
Staff feels leaving the sidewalk here would be undesirable
for two reasons. There is a potential safety problem and
maintenance of the sidewalk will be difficult. Quotes to
add an additional 4 ' of concrete were between $5000 and
$5500. There is also a 1 ' strip between the new pathway
and the road with a major grade change. This area will have
to be either filled with sod and seed or concrete which will
be in addition to the $5000. A fire hydrant will also have
to be moved at a cost of $400 to $500 bringing the total
cost between $5600 and $6300. This cost does not include
the 1 ' strip between the walkway and street. Barb added
that the entire area is within the City right of way. A
copy of a petition from nearby residents was included in
the packets.
ThP cost for the hitliminoiis trail would be $900 for material
plus labor done by the City. City workers wouldn 't do the
concrete work.
Baker asked how this sidewalk has been cleared during the
winter. Lambert said it has not been cleared in the past,
but needs to be since kids have been using the street to
get to school .
MOTION: Cook moved to recommend tearing out the existing
concrete sidewalk and installing an 8 ' bituminous trail„
Joyer seconded the motion and it passed 5-0.
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V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Bluestem 5th Addition
Refer to memo dated September 22, 1088 from Darb Cross,
Landscape Architect and btaff report dated September 23,
1988.
Bob Smith of Ron Krueger and Associates, Inc. was present
at the meeting representing Brown Land Co.
Smith showed various site plans of the area including r
one with current trees. He added that there are some
slopes in excess of 30%. The original plan was for 19
lots which has been reduced to 15. The largest lot is
one acre and the smallest is 15, 500 sq. ft. The light
y green area on the map represents the conservancy zone
and the dark green represents the proposed conservancy
line. A waiver of distance is being requested for the
frontage from the street in order to take advantage of
the slope. The developer has an agreement with Creek
Knolls group to share the costs of constructing a street
and dedication of land to the City.
Normal tree loss on a development such as this could be up
to 33%, but this has been reduced to 13.5%, Outlot A which
is 2.25 acres will be dedicated to the City and only 1 . 1
acres is required to be dedicated. One-half acre to the west
has also been suggested to be dedicated. Cash park fees
will be paid in addition to land dedication. At this time,
there is a sidewalk that runs down Bennett to Jackson.
The developer would like to discuss an alternate routing
of sidewalks.
Barb said the existing conservancy zone has been slightly I '
altered to protect vegetation and follow the contours more
closely. A creek crossing is proposed to Homeward Hills
Park. There is a problem with the current sidewalk plan
as proposed, as some lots have already been sold, landscaping
added and driveways put in.
Baker asked if the sidewalks could be built on the south
side of the street. Smith said this would be the same
problem.
Mike Wusneski , who lives on Summit Drive, asked who the
sidewalks will benefit. Lambert said that the City has
found most residents want sidewalks constructed for
pedestrian traffic. . access to the neighborhood parks
and leading to the city-wide bike trail system.
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Baker asked how much traffic there will be in this area.
Smith said there should not be much traffic. The outlet
for this neighborhood is Bennett Place.
Cook asked if it is agreed to add a retaining wall during
construction. Smith said yes.
Cook asked what the distance is between the southern most
home and the conservancy line. Smith said it is close,
but it is understood that there cannot be construction
of any type within the conservancy zone.
Lambert asked what is the size of the building pad on the
southern most home. Smith said it is 70 x 60 or 39,000
sq. ft.
Baker questioned the consequences if the requirement for
a sidewalk along Bluestem to Purgatory were eliminated.
Cross reminded the commission that development to the north
is only a concept plan at this point.
MOTION: Baker moved to recommend acceptance of Bluestem
5th Addition, but asked that a field inspection for the
� • proposed location of a sidewalk along Bluestem and Purgatory
be done by City staff. Shaw seconded the motion and it
passed 5-0.
B. Wyndham Nob 2nd Addition ,
Refer to staff report dated September 9, 1988. s
Barb said there are no sidewalk issues on this development
and tree loss is below average. The floodplain is being
dedicated to the City at the 870 contour elevation. She
recommends approval.
MOTION: Shaw recommended approval of Wyndham Nob 2nd Addition
per staff recommendation. Cook seconded the motion and 1
it passed 5-0.
VI. OLD BUSINESS d
A. Red Rock Lake Surface Management Ordinance
Refer to memo dated September 27, 1988 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources.
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Lambert said the City Council has directed staff to develop
a surface management ordinance for both Mitchell Lake and
Red Rock Lake. This must be in effect prior to development
of Red Rock Park. Lambert received three comments from
residents. Two suggested electric trolling motors only
and one suggested a 4 horsepower motor limit.
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Mike Wusneski said he feels that for safety reasons, a
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boat must have enough power to get across the lake on a
windy day.
Bob Gardner said he feels that limiting the size and type
of motor would be taking away some of the privileges that
the residents have had. Cook asked what size motor he would
like to see on the lake. Gardner said he feels the size
of motor should not be limited until there are problems.
Len Halfin of 15476 Village Woods Dr. said he does not want
any excess noise which travels a good distance across the
lake. He suggests electric motors or up to 5 horsepower at
the most be allowed.
Bill Leeds of Red Oak Dr. said he has seen water skiing on
the lake only once in the ten years he has lived there. He
feels an ordinance is a good idea and there should be a limit
of 10 horsepower. He added that he heard from the DNR that
the lake will be aerated and stocked this fall. Barb said
the DNR did not feel the quality of the fish in the lake
justified aerating the lake this fall.
Baker asked what is the horsepower of a jet ski . Lambert
didn't know what the horsepower could be.
Shaw said there are noise ratings that can be done on
equipment and perhaps this could be added to the ordinance.
Mike Wusneski commented that Lake Calhoun has an ordinance,
but permits can be purchased. He added that this lake is
stocked by the DNR.
Ron Anderson of 8500 Montgomery Ct. asked when is the
projected opening of Red Rock Park. Lambert said the park
will be constructed next year and should open in 1990.
Anderson asked if there is a plan for this park. Lambert
said that there is a concept plan.
Anderson asked about a public access to the park. Lambert
said there will be spaces for six cars and trailers and
the park will be on four acres.
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Anderson suggested that since there would be a problem with
allowing electric motors only because of the wind, there
should be a 10 horsepower limit. He asked if trails are
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proposed. Lambert showed the location of proposed trails.
Jim Geraghty of 15441 Village Woods Dr. said he would be
happy with electric motors only and 10 horsepower would be
fine with a noise restriction and speed restriction.
Sandy Lauring said she thinks the City is wise to establish
an ordinance on this lake. She added that she would like to
see the trail maintained or connected to the parks system
or allow residents to buy the land back to construct docks.
Kathy McCahan of Village Woods Dr. said she agrees with what
has been said and she would like to make use of the lake if
the water is deep enough.
Cook asked if there is a way to restrict jet skis without a
noise control ordinance.
Richard said the DNR should have appropriate wording to use
in such an ordinance.
CMOTION: Shaw moved that the issue of allowing 10 horsepower
motors only, establishing a noise ordinance and not allowing
jet skis on Red Rock Lake should be tabled until the next
meeting so the DNR can be contacted for appropriate language
to use in such an ordinance. Baker seconded the motion and
it passed 5-0.
B. Review Bids for Community Center Tile Project
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Refer to memo dated September 28, 1988 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources.
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Lambert said that tile contractors usually do not go out
for bids, but are contacted by the general contractor.
Only one bid was received for the Community Center tile
project.
MOTION: Shaw moved to recommend that the entire project
be rebid. Baker seconded the motion.
On all for discussion, Cook asked if the $10,000 difference
between last year's and this year's bid would be added to
the budget to allow for the same increase next year. Lambert
said he questions the bid that was received since it was nearly
double the original quote.
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VII. NEW BUSINESS
None
VIII. REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 6 1988
There was no report.
IX. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Richard moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:30 p.m.
Baker seconded the motion and it passed 5-0.
Respectfully submitted,
Lois Boettcher
Recording Secretary
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, OCTOBER 17, 1988 7:30 P. M. CITY HALL
7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson ; Raiford
Baker, Moe Cook , Karon Joyer , Brian
Mikkelson, Pat Richard, Charles Shaw
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Parks, Recreation & Natural
Resources
7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - OCTOBER 3, 1988
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
7:35 A. HAEP Request for Concession Net Profits
7:40 B. Muscular Dystrophy Association Request for Skate-A-Thou
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
7:45 Northwest Racquet Swim and Health Clubs, Inc.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
7:55 A. Red Rock Lake Surface Management Ordinance (con't from
October 3—,—NW
8:15 B. Mitchell Lake Surface Management Ordinance
9:00 C. Riley Lake Acquisition
9:10 D. Comprehensive Park Plan Update__- Draft Review
VII. NEW BUSINESS
10:00 Review of Appraisal & Consideration of Janikula Property
VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Community Center Operations Supervisor
10:10 1. Request for New Rates & Promotion of Lock-Ins
10:15 2. Membership Renewal Program
10:20 3. Community Center Monthly Report {
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10:25 1. Season Ending Reports
a. Adult Tennis - Spring 1988
b. Doubles Bocce League 1988
c. Racquetball -_Spring 1908
IX. CITY MANAGER'S UPDATE
10:30 July 22, September 23, October 7, 1988
10:35 X. ADJOURNMENT
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APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, OCTOBER 17, 1988 7:30 P.M. CITY HALL
7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breintenstein, Chairperson; Bud Baker,
Karon Joyer, Pat Richards, Charles Shaw,
Brian Mikkelson
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Moe Cook
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation
& Natural Resources; Tom Eastman, Community
Center Operations Supervisor
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 P. M. by chairperson, Pat
Breintenstein.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Shaw moved to approve the agenda as printed. Baker seconded
the motion and it passed 5-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 3, 1988 MEETING
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MOTION: Baker moved to approve the minutes as printed. Shaw seconded
the motion and it passed 5-0.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. HAEP Request for Concession Net Profits - Lambert explained that
during the first year of operat on of the Community Center the I
Hockey Association of Eden Prairie requested to operate the i
concession stand during their annual fund raising tournament, held
over the Christmas holidays. City staff did not want untrained
volunteers working with the equipment in the concession stand and
disrupting the inventory system of the City. The City agreed to
simply determine the net profits of the concession stand during
the holiday tournament and credit the Hockey Association that
amount of money toward ice time rental . The Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources Commission and the City Council agreed to this
request in 1983.
Intent of the original approval was that the Hockey Association j
would return on an annual basis to request this "deal"; however, i
the Hockey Association has been accommodated the same deal without i
returning for additional requests. When the Director of Parks, ;1
Recreation and Natural Resources requested the Operations
Supervisor at the Community Center, list several ways in which the
Community Center could come closer to meeting operating expenses,
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continue, as we have not offered the same program to either the
Foxjets or the Figure Skating Club.
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Bob Mizel , President of the indicated that last year the net Hockeincome cfromo f Prairie,
the concession was I
$1,108. That was credited toward ice time. The Hockey Association i
presently has a $59,000 ice rental band ethef which remaining is rented s rented by
the Eden Prairie Community Center
communities outside of Eden Prairie.
Commission members questioned
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the holiday tournament and a questioned
ciation has been using this tournament
were, etc. The Hockey Assod the
as a fund raiser f major yfund . The raiserso turnament that totaln about annual
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sale are the two
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the Hockey Association a° Thesnet profit from thel tournament
participating in this progr
is approximately $12,000- The net profit from candy sales is
generally around $13,000.
Shaw indicated he did not believe it was fair to offer this kind
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of deal to the Hockey Association unless we also offered
a similar
other Eden Prairie groups that wish to use the facility this program
fund raisers. Shaw suggested that we consider cutting
in half this year and discontinue it completely in 1989.
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d budget already late t counting on of ithiscision tournament
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for 1998, this program be allowed in 1988 and discontinue
thereafter.
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MOTION: Shaw moved to table this
current until
practicesuntil that time.
January and to continue with the
Seconded by Richard. Motion passed 5-0.
B. Muscular dDtster�equeAssoo iatif the n Re UartDystrophy for Assoch ationLSkatet
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MOTION: Richard moved to approve the MDA request. Joyer seconded
t e motion.
Discussion: Shaw suggested we limit this type of request to four
events perovisi . Richard
approved.5-0 Joyer seconded the inclusion
of that pr
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V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
Northwest Racquet Swim and Health Club, Inc. - Allen Kimbel ,
Architect with Northwest Racquet Club,. explained the request for
adding a parking structure to accommodate the high amount of
parking requirements at this Club, and the proposed addition to the
building on the south side. Mr. Kimbel indicated that the owner
had purchased a parcel of property to the south that: would be used
for interim parking during the construction period, and which would
eventually be donated to the City for park property. The owner has
indicated a willingness to construct up to four tennis courts at no
cost to the City on this property. If the City were to develop the
parking and any other associated improvements to the property the
developer is willing to donate this parcel with no strings
attached. (.
City staff have recommended to accept the property with the four
tennis courts, as this would add four outdoor tennis courts to the
north central part of the City that had not previously been planned
for. A four tennis court complex could be used for leagues and
lessons to accommodate this part of the City. Staff would not
recommend these be lighted due their proximity to adjacent
residential neighborhoods.
Baker indicated concern for conflicts with court users from the
Racquetball Club and from adjacent neighborhoods . Lambert
indicated that these courts would probably receive a great deal of
use from members of the Club; however, they would not have any
priority over adjacent residents and, in fact, the City would be
posting times when the courts would be reserved for lessons and
City leagues, etc.
MOTION• Motion by Mikkelson to approve the Northwest Racquet Swim
Health Club expansion plans and to accept the land with the four
tennis courts complex. Seconded by Richard. Motion passed 5-0.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. Red Rock Lake Surface Management Ordinance_ (con't from October
1988) - Lambert summarize the actions taken at Me October
3rd meeting and indicated the Commission continued the item to
obtain language from the DNR addressing concerns for noise
controls on the lake and to insure that a 10 horsepower limit
would prevent jet skies, water bikes, etc. from using the lake.
Lambert reported that the State already has a noise ordinance
on all protected waters and that water bikes have horsepower
ranging from 50-60 horsepower, while jet skies are in the range
of 20-30 horsepower; therefore, a 10 horsepower limit would
eliminate those types of watercraft, and the existing State
ordinance noise control on State lakes can be enforced by the
City Police Department.
Colleen Harvey, 8480 Montgomery Court, indicated that she
supports limiting the watercraft to electric motors only.
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C Shaw asked Lambert if any other Red Rock area residents
commented during the week regarding his letter. Lambert
indicated that he had received no phone calls regarding this
item.
MOTION: Motion by Shaw to recommend the City Council draft an
ordinance limiting watercraft on Red Rock Lake to 10
horsepower. Seconded by Baker. Motion passed 5-0.
B. Mitchell Lake Surface Management Ordinance - Lambert summarized
t e reason for addressing the Mitchell Lake Surface Management
Ordinance at this time and explained the process of passing a
surface management ordinance . The Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources Commission would listen to recommendations
from area residents and would make a recommendation to the City
Council . The City Council would then decide what should be
included in the Surface Management Ordinance and direct the
City Attorney to draft an ordinance. The draft ordinance would
~� be forwarded to the Department of Natural Resources for review.
Upon approval of the Commissioner of Natural Resources, the
City Council would then hold a first and second hearing on the
ordinance prior to the ordinance becoming law. The entire
process takes about four months.
Chairperson Breitenstein then requested input from residents.
C, Tom Jensen, 7923 South Bay Court, indicated they had purchased
their property on the lake more for the aesthetic value than
the recreation value, although, they do fish on the lake with a
canoe. Mr. Jensen indicated that during the last year boats on
the lake have been an irritation to residents on the lake as
well as wildlife on the lake. He believes the lake is too
small for high speed watercraft and it is not safe for the
people that are using the lake with rubber rafts, canoes, etc.
Mr. Jensen is also disturbed by the number of people that have
gone beyond what was initially perceived as restrictions for
development on the lake including installing beaches, docks,
etc. and placing large high speed boats on the lake.
Tim Crane, 7919 South Bay Curve, asked whether or not the City
would revise the classification of Mitchell Lake from a natural
environment lake to a recreation development lake. Lambert
responded that there is no reason to make that request of the
Department of Natural Resources.
Crane then cited several concerns and reasons for limiting the
horsepower on watercraft using this lake. 1) Congestion-
with swimmers in anyone of the three main bodies of the lake.
Anything more than slow moving watercraft becomes very
dangerous. On one afternoon Mr. Crane counted two pontoon
boats, one water skier, two fishing boats and two rubber rafts
( all using the lake at the same time. Whenever any one of those i
crafts met with the water skier, it was extremely dangerous.
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The lake is very small and at 30 miles per hour a boat travels
100 yards in 7 seconds. It only takes 15 seconds to cross the
largest bay at 30 miles per hour. 2) The lake is very shallow
- the deepest point of the lake is about 15' and the average
depth in the deepest part of the lake is 8-10 feet. The
southern bay where the City parkland is located only averages
4-5' deep. 3) Wave action of larger boats causes a great deal
of erosion along the shoreline. Over 1600 trees died because
of the high water. Those trees are now being removed at low
water conditions and the shoreline is very vulnerable to
erosion at this time.
Mr. Crane requested a 10 horsepower limit.
Bill Kinney, 17651 West 78th Street, is a 22 year resident of
Eden Prairie on Mitchell Lake. Mr. Kinney is concerned that J
people that don't know the lake would get hurt with large `?
motors due to the shallow conditions and the narrow channels.
Mr. Kinney would recommend a 10 horsepower limit. His only
� . concern that pontoon boats might not be able to operate with a
10 horsepower limit. He would recommend a larger limit on
pontoon boats. Overall there definitely is a limitation q
needed.
David Knack, 7935 South Bay Curve, would like to see a
restriction and favors the park that is proposed on the south ?
side of the lake. Mr. Knack indicates the lake is too small
and shallow to safely accommodate anything larger than a 10
horsepower limit. He believes a pontoon boat should have an
exception.
Lavern Hale , 7946 Island Road, recommends a 10 horsepower
limit. +
Brian Foltz, 8008 Island Road, recommends a 10 horsepower limit
and suggests a pontoon boat be allowed an exception to perhaps
a 20 horsepower limit. 1
Mike Eames, 17345 West 78th Street, a 40 year resident of Eden
Prairie on Mitchell Lake, agrees with the need for a power
limitation. He also indicates that the two pontoons on the
lake have not caused any problems and suggests an exception for
those two boats. Mr. Eames indicates that speeders on the lake
aren't limited to young people. He described an incident
during the summer when a boat with approximately 50 horsepower
motor and several drunks on board disturbed several people
while fishing and almost capsized their boat. Mr. Eames
indicated that the existing pontoons on the lake cause no
problems and suggested an exception or a grandfather clause for
those two boats.
Bill Johnson, 8006 Island Road, suggested a ten horsepower
limit with an exception for pontoons if possible.
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The Commission members then discussed the possibilities of
( limiting to 10 horsepower, but with directing the City Attorney
to develop some language that would provide for exceptions to.
the two pontoon boats that are presently on the lake.
MOTION: Motion by Shaw to recommend the City council draft an
ordinance limiting the watercraft on Mitchell Lake to a 10
horsepower limit with a possibility of a special use permit to
be renewed on an annual basis for the two existing pontoon
boats limiting those boats to 25 horsepower. Motion seconded
by Joyer. Passed 5-0.
C. Riley Lake Acquisition - Lambert summarized the proposal for
the land expansion at Riley Lake and indicated the seller is
not a willing seller at the proposed price. Lambert also
explained the difference between the appraisal that "recognizes
the year 2000 MUSA Line" and developers that are offering Mrs.
Jacques more than appraised value because the developers are
betting that the MUSA Line will move before the year 2000.
MOTION: Shaw moved to recommend the City Council acquire the
Jacques property as per the staff memo. Seconded by Baker.
Motion passed 4 in favor, Pat Richard abstained due to a
possible conflict of interest.
D. Comprehensive Park Plan Update Draft Review_ - Lambert
intro uce arner Barry W an summarized • s memo of October
C 14th.
Warner explained that this process started on May 15, 1988 and
has proceeded to complete all of the tasks identified in the
Request for Proposal . The major purpose of the Comprehensive
Park Plan is to identify the park and open space existing
needs, as well as the needs in 1995 and the year 2000.
Warner explained that the City of Eden Prairie is dominated by
young families at this time and it is difficult to determine
exactly how this will change as the community grows through the
year 2020. He explained that the needs and demands on the park
system will change as the community grows and the age
distribution changes.
All existing recreation facilities, as well as park and open
space areas were inventoried, as well as the proposed open
space preservation areas for the future. Mr. Warner explained
that a representation in "site plan format" for all existing
and proposed park sites will be developed in the final plan,
and would depict existing and proposed improvements for all
park sites.
Mr. Warner indicated that the needs and demand analysis
included a comparison of Eden Prairie to the Minnesota SCORP,
4 public meetings, a community newspaper survey, comparison
with the accepted standards, a park service area analysis and
athletic participation projection study. Several conclusions
were reached through this study:
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1 The park and open space s stem has a broad base community
support. There is approximately a 50/ 0 split of opinion other facilities are adequate, or more are needed.
Most individuals think that the level of quality of the
parks will continue without an expansion to the system.
2. The residents of Eden Prairie have high expectations
reqardinq the quality of the park system. Many residents
believe that the level of the quality will continue without
continued investment in the park system and, therefore, are
obviously not considering what the projected growth of the
community will do to the demand on the existing system.
3. Additional land acquisition should occur immediately.
4. Neighborhood service areas are adequatelX served with the
exception in the southwest where three a it ona
neighborhood ar s must be acquired in the near uture.
This is also true in the west central area. There is
limited neighborhood areas in the developed area that are
not adequately served. The main concern is the mid-central
area south of Birch Island Park. Birch Island Park could
accommodate the deficiency in this area with an adequate
trail system and some development of Birch Island Park to
accommodate neighborhood park needs.
5. Youth and adult athletic facilities will be over burdened
in the very near future.
6. The Community Center facility and programs should be
addressed through an aT hoc-committee to study the possib e
new focus for the Community Center.
7. Completion of the passive open space system is of critical
importance to the citizens of Eden Prairie.
Under the policies chapter, the City should provide an
inventory of the bluffs area that should be protected and a
policy developed for protection of this area. The City should
review the Bloomington policy as a good starting point.
Mr. Warner then summarized the remaining chapters of the draft
plan and then discussed recommendations for priorities of the
major projects that must be addressed in the next 5-10 year
period. Mr. Warner handed out a list of nine major priority
projects and requested Commission members to each rate the
priorities from 1-9 for each project. Upon completion of that
task, Mr. Warner then went through how Barton-Aschman ranked
these priority projects. Barton-Aschman ranked the priorities
as 1) land acquisition, 2) Miller Park, 3) neighborhood parks
4) trail system, 5) Community Center, 6) golf course, 7)
Purgatory Creek Recreation Area, 8) outdoor swimming, 9)
special use facilities. The Commission scores ranked the
projects in the following manner: 1) land acquisition, 2)
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Miller Park, 3) Community Center, 4) trail system, 5)
neighborhood parks, 6) Purgatory Creek Recreation Area, 7) golf
course, 8) special use facilities, 9) outdoor swimming area.
Warner then indicated the major job for the City to accomplish
prior to getting any of these tasks completed is COMMUNITY
EDUCATION. Mr. Warner stressed how important it is to convey
this information to residents of the community in order to
accomplish any of the large tasks that remain before the
citizens of Eden Prairie.
Breintenstein suggested putting the same list of priorities in
the newspaper under an article requesting residents to fill in
the blanks in their own priorities and then compare on the back
page of the newspaper with how Barton-Aschman ranked these
needs and the reasons Barton-Aschman ranked each of the major
needs. That might force people to get involved in thinking
about priorities and reading why someone else would rank them
differently than they would, or perhaps the same as they would.
Warner suggested that if the budget allows, there is a last
chapter that is not in the scope of services but would be nice
to accomplish that could be titled "Scope of Vision for the -
Future" that would include brainstorming with perhaps a
futurist and some of the City planners what recreation needs
might be in the year 2010 or 2020.
Commission members then discussed various aspects of the plan
and ways to accomplish meeting some of those needs. Baker
indicated that he had four recommendations to include into the
draft plan. Those included:
1. The plan should have a stronger statement on Riley Creek
preservation. He would like to see the plan recommend a
study of Riley Creek similar to the one that was completed
for the Purgatory Creek in the mid 1970's. This should be
addressed on page 158 in the plan.
2. Baker also suggested that he would like to see a stronger
statement on what function the Community Center should or
should not be performing. He recognizes the planner
suggested an ad hoc committee, but he would like to see the
recommendation from the planner.
3. Baker also believes the plan should incorporate more
comments on Eden Prairie use of the Minnesota River valley.
Most Eden Prairie residents have an attitude that Eden
Prairie stops at Highway 169 when, in fact, our borders
extend to the Minnesota River and we should take more
advantage of the recreational potential of this Minnesota
River valley by incorporating not only trails leading to
the proposed Refuge and Recreation Area , but also
incorporating shared programs that would utilize this great
resource.
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4. Baker would like to see the plan address a proposal to
improve boulevards and medians at intersections with stop
lights, as well as to improve the entryways to the City
with plantings, flowers, decorative trees , etc. to improve
the community image of Eden Prairie. These highly visible
areas should make a statement to people that live in our
community or are passing through Eden Prairie that Eden
Prairie is a very special place.
Breitenstein asked for recommendations from the planner on
methods for educating the public to our needs.
Richard indicated there is a need to keep these issues
constantly in front of the public and a need to get City
Council members to make bold statements and issue strong
support for the needs that are addressed in this report.
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MOTION: Motion by Baker to recommend the City Council adopt
this master plan with the comments from staff and Commission
members. Seconded by Richard. Passed 5-0.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
Review of Appraisal and Consideration of Janikula Pro ert - Lambert
summarized the appraisal and proposal to acquire the Janikula property.
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MOTION: Motion by Baker to make an offer $77,000 for the Janikula
Cproperty. Seconded by Joyer. Motion passed 5-0.
VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Community Center Operations Supervisor
1. Request for New Rates and Promotional Lock-ins - Tom Eastman
explained the proposed reasons for the new rates and the
promotion program for lock-ins.
MOTION : Motion by Shaw to approve the new rates and
promotional program for lock-ins. Seconded by Mikkelson.
Motion passed 5-0.
2. Membership Renewal Program - Tom Eastman explained the new
membership promotional program.
MOTION: Motion by Joyer to recommend the City Council adopt
the membership renewal program. Seconded by Shaw. Motion
passed 5-0.
3. Community Center MonthlX Report - Baker questioned the head
count for the Foxiets and Hockey Association on the first page.
Eastman explained that head count did not include the number of
individuals that participate under rental of ice or pool time.
MOTION• Motion by Baker, seconded by Richard to accept the
mont y report. Motion passed 5-0.
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- B. Reports of Athletic Coordinator
1. Season Ending Report
MOTION: Motion by Baker, seconded by Mikkelson to accept the
season ending reports. Motion passed 5-0
IX. CITY MANAGERS UPDATE
This is an information item only, no report.
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X. ADJOURNMENT
Motion by baker, seconded by Richard to adjourn the meeting at 10:20 P.
M. Motion passed 5-0.
Respectfully Submitted,
Robert A. Lambert
Recording Secretary
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