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CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 2 , 1987 7:30 P.M. SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION
BUILDING - BOARD ROOM
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Moe
Cook, Gary Gonyea, Karon Joyer, Brian Mikkelson,
Charles Shaw
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JANUARY 5, 1987
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IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
7:35 A. Donation From Eden Prairie Snowdrifters
B. Donation From Flagship Athletic Club
C. Letter From Pat Solie
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
7:40 A. Homeward Hills Park
8:00 B. Tree Farm
8:15 C. Carmel 6th and 7th
8:30 D. Edenvale 21st Addition
8:45 E. Cardinal Creek 6th Addition
VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Director of Community Services
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9:00 1. Lower Purgatory Creek Valley Tour
9:05 2. Bond Referendum Committee Minutes
B. Reports of Superintendent of Recreation
9:15 Policy Regarding Public Reservation Use of Hockey Rinks
C. Reports of Athletic Coordinator
9:00 1. Season Ending Reports '
a. 3-Women Basketball - Fall 1986
b. Table Tennis - Fall 1986
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c. Men's Hockey - Fall 1986
d. Racquetball - Fall 1986-
e. Co-Rec Volleyball - Fall 1986
VII. OLD BUSINESS
None
VIII. NEW BUSINESS
9:35 Ordinance Regulating Use Use of Alcohol in Parks
10:00 IX. ADJOURNMENT
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Monday, February 2, 1987 7:30 p.m. , School Board Room
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson;
Bud Baker, Moe Cook,
Gary Gonyea (late) Karon Joyer
(late), Brian Mikkelson,
Charles Shaw
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services
OTHERS PRESENT: Rick Bolinske, Superintendent
of Recreation; Lyndell Frey,
Recreation Supervisor;
Barb Cross, Park Planner
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by chairperson,
Pat Breitenstein.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Lambert added A. MRPA Request and B. Bond Referendum Slide Presentation
under VIII. New Business.
MOTION: Shaw moved to approve the agenda as amended. Cook seconded
Me motion and it passed 5-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JANUARY 5, 1987
Cook referred to the statement on Page 4, Paragraph 2 and said it
sounds like there there will be an open air structure. The sentence
will be changed to read, ". . .with the omission of an open air
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MOTION: Mikkelson moved to approve the minutes as amended. Baker
seconded the motion and it passed 5-0.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Donation from Eden Prairie Snowdrifters
Refer to letter dated January 10, 1987 from Peter Loscheider,
President of the Eden Prairie Snowdrifters.
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This is an information item only. The $250.00 donation will be put
into the park fund.
B. Donation from Flagship Athletic Club
Refer to letter dated January 8, 1987 from Lori Helling, Athletic
Coordinator.
This is an information item only. Flagship donated 48 basketballs
to the City.
C. Letter from Pat Solie
Refer to letter dated January 28, 1987 from Pat Solie and letter
dated January 29, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community
Services.
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Pat Solie's letter expressed her dissatisfaction with the higher
fees being charged to reserve park facilities. Lambert said that
the fee used to be based on the number of people, but since this i
was difficult to police the fee was raised from $25.00 to $50.00.
Lambert agrees that this is a heavy fee for a family, but this is
the first complaint he has received. He asked the Commission to
consider a $25.00 deposit and $25.00 fee for a family group and a
$50.00 deposit and $50.00 fee for companies.
Shaw asked if it isn' t possible to police the number of people
attending a function and if the fee couldn't be based on this.
Lambert said that is the way it has been done in the past, but it
didn't work out since there was no way to follow up on the number
of people. Lambert added that we don't want to price families out
of using the facilities.
Shaw asked who is responsible for liability. Lambert said a
liability waiver has to be signed.
Gonyea asked if the City hasn't always charged for family use.
Lambert said yes. Gonyea agreed with the different charges for
families and companies.
MOTION: Shaw moved to recommend the City begin two tier charging
to use park facilities and expand the liability statement on the
form to explain it more fully. Gonyea seconded the motion. On
call for discussion, Cook asked if the Commission could see a draft
of the form before it is printed. Lambert said it is at the
printer, but was put on hold after this letter was received so the
Commission can see a copy. Gonyea said he feels a notice should be
put in the Eden Prairie News for the public's information.
Breitenstein suggested that a reply be sent to Pat Solie. Lambert
{ said she works at City Hall so will be made aware of the decision.
The motion passed 7-0.
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V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
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meward Hills Park
Refer to memo dated January 27, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services.
Lambert reviewed the park's history. It was designated as a park
site in 1979. At that time, the developer was working on Bluffs
West 2nd Addition and the City acquired the first half of the park
in 1980 anticipating the acquisition of the other half with the
development of Bluffs West 3rd Addition. When this was put on
hold, BFI donated the other portion to the City in 1984. The City
received input from nearby residents at that time and later that
year graded the ballfields and placed the surcharge on the road and
parking areas. The softball and soccer fields will be usable for
the first time this spring and the engineers have indicated that
the surcharge from the road and development can be completed. The
project will include the following: removing the surcharge and
paving the parking lot and road; the barn will be moved onto the
site and remodeled; two tennis courts, a half basketball court and
two sand volleyball courts will be constructed; the playstructure
Carea will be expanded, a lighted hockey rink and skating area will
be constructed, the area around the park shelter, tennis courts and
playstructure will be landscaped and minimal security lighting will
be added in the parking area and along the park road. ,
Lambert introduced Barb Cross, Park Planner, who was present at the
meeting to show slides on the proposed development of Homeward
Hills Park. The slides included how the park looks at the present
time, the barn which will be moved in and used as a shelter, a
concept plan of proposed park development and inside plans for the ,
shelter. Barb noted that there will have to be two exits added
from the top story of the building and they are considering adding
a deck.
Cook asked if the sink in the multi-use area could be enclosed so
it is not always available for use. Lambert said that there will
always be a warming house supervisor present so this should not be 114
a problem and the building will not be open unless it is reserved.
Joyer asked if a fireplace could be added to the multi-purpose
room. Lambert said it could be done, but would be extremely
expensive because it is a two story building.
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Baker said the memo indicates that the cost will be $150,000. Does
this include the cost of moving the barn, doing renovations and
additions? Lambert said the cost includes all these items plus
rocking and paving the driveway. The City has not had bids yet and
if this amount is not enough to cover all these items, they will be 1
done in phases.
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Cook asked if there is already a bike peith so access to the park
will not be a problem. Lambert said yes.
Shaw asked if the City has access to a tree remover to move in some
trees or if larger trees could be acquired to use in the park.
Shaw feels the barn will look rather stark if there aren't some
larger trees around it. Lambert said the City has access to a tree
spade and two nurseries.
MOTION: Baker moved to accept the Homeward Hills Park Plan as
presented. Cook seconded the motion.
Breitenstein asked if there were any residents present at the
meeting that would like to express their feelings about the plan at
this time.
John Kennedy, who lives on Jack Pine Trail, said he likes the plan
and is ready for the park whenever the City is ready.
Sue Schultz, who lives on Summer Place, asked if $150,000 has been
earmarked for this park. Lambert said the money is received from
( cash park fees. Schultz asked if there is any reason the City
Council will not approve the plan. Lambert said he doesn't
anticipate any problems. Schultz asked how long the park
improvements will take. Lambert said it will take all summer.
Steve Knutson, who lives on Huntington Drive, asked if any of the
park areas will be lit. Lambert said it is the policy not to light
any neighborhod park facilities other than skating areas.
The motion passed 7-0.
B. Tree Farm
Refer to staff reports dated January 9, 1987 and November 21, 1986.
Ron Krueger representing Countryside Investments was present at the
meeting. Krueger said the property is adjacent to Homeward Hills
Park and south of County Road 1. Plans are to develop 72 single
family lots on this site. A portion of the area is heavily wooded
with pines as high as 30 feet. Some trees will have to be removed
in order to complete this project which is planned to begin early
next spring. There will be a pathway along County Road 1 with the
possibility of grading a path to the park. Krueger asked Lambert
what the status is on this.
Lambert said the plan was to use land located in the airport active
use area, but the Metropolitan Airports Commission is not
(. interested at this time. Krueger feels there should be a direct i
l connection from this development to the park although the existing
sidewalk system does not show this.
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Lambert said he doesn' t feel it is necessary to grade a path, but
rather to change the sidewalk system so they are located in areas
that are the easiest access to the park.
Arvid Schwartz of Countryside Investments said this area has an
abundant supply of trees and the City may be able to move some of
them into the park. He said access to the park has been discussed
and the reason sidewalks were put in the inside was to minimize
costs. Schwartz thinks it is a good idea to lead the sidewalk
system into the park.
Lambert said he is concerned with having sidewalks inside of the
roadway since children crossing the road would have to cross on a
curve. Schwartz said he doesn' t see a problem with changing this.
Cook said he feels it should be explained to potential buyers of
these homes that they are located within air space. Krueger said
buyers will be informed of this.
MOTION: Cook recommended to approve the plan per staff
recommendation with a request that the sidewalk be placed on the
outside of the loop road with access to the park as an easement
between Lots 15 and 16 with a required setback of 15 feet. Gonyea
seconded the motion and it passed 7-0.
C. Edenvale 21st Addition
Refer to staff report dated January 23, 1987 and memo dated
January 29, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services.
Mr. Schumacher was present representing Breco Corporation.
Schumacher reviewed the site which is located south of Edenvale
Blvd. and west of Woodland Drive. The plan is for an 18 lot
subdivision. The original proposal was for a townhouse development
which was defeated. Schumacher said he would like the Commission
to consider changing the location of the sidewalk. Lambert
suggested looking at the feasibility of putting a 5' sidewalk in
behind the curb. In the future, the sidewalk will end up along
Woodland Drive.
MOTION: Shaw moved to recommend approval per staff recommendation
pen ng the outcome of the feasibility study on the sidewalk.
Mikkelson seconded the motion and it passed 7-0.
D. Cardinal Creek 6th Addition
Refer to staff report dated January 23, 1987 and memo dated
January 29, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services.
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Ron Krueger, representing New American Homes, was present at the
meeting. Krueger reviewed plans for the site which are 59 single
family lots and the continuation of Cardinal Creek Road to Baker
Road. The developer will dedicate Outlots A which is 6.65 acres
and B which is 3 acres to the City. The sidewalk system will
continue to Baker Road and a tree survey will be completed.
Krueger said the Planning Commission would like the road to be
shifted because of the extensive grading that would be required
into the Griffith property.
Mikkelson asked what Mr. Miller's feelings are. Krueger said
putting the road along the property line wouldn't solve the tree
problem and Mr. Miller is not interested in selling his property at
w this time.
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Cook said he is concerned with the grading on sites 3 and 4 which
would require cutting off the knoll severely. He asked if there
would be a possibility of restricting grading.
Krueger said the knoll does not have any trees on it and staff has
no concern with this since it is the only way to get to this piece
of property.
Lambert said the knoll will have to be cut at one point or another
to get the road through and this plan is a vast improvement over
previous plans. Staff's major concern is the road alignment and he
concurs with the Planning Commission's recommendation to make
changes to the road.
Baker asked if the Commission's recommendation should be postponed
until the developer has spoken with Mr. Miller regarding the
realignment of the road. Lambert said he feels the proposal can be
approved subject to the decision on alignment of the road since it
is to go before the City Council on February 18 and the Parks and
Recreation Commission will not have another meeting prior to that
date.
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Lambert said the developer will dedicate Outlots A and B and added
that generally rear road lines follow flood plain contours.
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Lambert asked if the developer anticipates Robin Ridge Road
continuing to the north. Krueger said no, but the sidewalk will be
extended along the north and east side of Cardinal Creek Road.
Cook asked if there would be a problem with shortening Lots 4 thru
11. Krueger said this has been changed on the plan, but the
Commission did not receive the revised copy.
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Joyer said she is unclear as to where the sidewalk will be located.
Lambert said the sidewalk will be along the north and east side of
Cardinal Creek Road.
MOTION: Shaw moved to recommend approval of the plan per staff
recommendations and subject to a decision on road realignment.
Joyer seconded the motion and it passed 7-0.
E. Carmel 6th and 7th
Refer to staff report dated January 9, 1987 and memo dated
January 30, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
Lambert said the main issue concerning this proposal is the land
trade which is discussed on Attachment B of the January 9 planning
staff report. Heavy hash marks indicate existing parkland and ligh
hash marks indicate future parkland. The proposed exchange is for
.66 acres of existing park property for .91 acres of new parkland.
Other changes on the plan are the new road north and east of
Thornhill Road which will be a major access to the park. This park
will be about 14 acres.
/ Lambert recommends the land exchange, new access to the -?
extension of the sidewalk along Thornhill Road to the newaaccess
point.
MOTION: Cook moved to recommend approval per staff recommendation.
Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed 7-0.
VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Director of Community Services
1. Lower Purgatory Creek Valley Tour
Refer to memo dated January 27, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director
of Community Services.
After discussion, it was decided to tour this area on Saturday,
February 28, 1907. The group will leave City Hall at 9:00 a.m.
and should be back by noon.
2. Bond Referendum Committee Minutes
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B. Reports of Superintendent of Recreation
1. Policy Regarding Public Reservation Use of Hockey Rinks
Rick Bolinske and Lyndell Frey were present at the meeting.
Frey distributed reports showing skating rink attendance at all
rinks for the 1985-86 and 1986-87 season thru January 27. He
also reviewed comparisons by year of free skating and hockey
use and Staring Lake and the sledding hill.
Frey said the only problem he has had are the outside groups
wanting to reserve skating rinks. The current policy is that
rinks can be reserved for not more than 1-1/2 hour periods on
Monday-Thursday from 9:00-10:00 p.m. and on Sunday from 9:00
a.m.-12 noon. The charge is $30.00 per hour and he feels the
cost could be reduced to $15.00 per hour which would still
cover all expenses. s
Baker questioned the difference between open skating and free t
skating. Frey said that open skating time can be reserved, but
only Eden Prairie groups are allowed to reserve time.
( MOTION: Cook moved to recommend approval of the $15.00 charge
to reserve rink time. Baker seconded the motion and it passed {
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Bolinske distributed copies of the Winter Community Education ,
Program for the Commission's information. Regarding warming
house usage, he said people are more likely to go to rinks
which have two pens such as Round Lake. Bolinske feels it is
important to serve the public in Eden Prairie and that a third
pen should be added at Round Lake if possible.
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Lambert said he thinks that people draw people so it is better
to have more facilities available in one place and it is also
more economical. He feels the additional pen should be built
with the possibility of having four rinks all together in the
future, but he suggests the future softball complex as the
location rather than Round Lake Park.
Cook asked if this concept is being used at Homeward Hills
Park. Bolinske said Homeward Hills Park is a different
situation but he feels that ideally pleasure rinks should be
separate from hockey rinks.
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B. MRPA Request
Lambert said the MRPA Board met recently and are starting a
committee for the Board Committee section. They would like one
commission member designated to serve on the committee. There will
be only one meeting this year on Thursday, February 26 from 7:30-
9:00 a.m. at the Brookview Community Center in Golden Valley.
Karon Joyer volunteered to serve on the committee.
C. Bond Referendum Slide Presentation
The 20 minute slide presentation was reviewed by the Commission.
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MOTION: Cook moved to adjourn the meeting at 10:15 p.m. Baker
seconded the motion and it passed 7-0.
Respectfully submitted,
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Lois Boettcher
Recording Secretary
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